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Old December 12th 03, 11:23 AM
Hope
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My DD, who will turn 1 in a couple of weeks, is a big pincher (hard)
and puller of hair (hard). It's getting so bad that I dread
situations where we'll encounter other children, especially younger
ones.

I have tried using her hands to pat gently, praising her and saying
things like "nice! gentle hands!' and saying "no!" and removing her
hands when she is rough, but I don't seem to be getting through, I
hope she is just a bit young to understand and isn't going to be a
mean person :-(. I do my best to shadow her when we're around kids
and prevent 'attacks' but I always miss at least one and someone ends
up crying.

People have suggested I pull *her* hair or pinch *her* when she does
it, which of course I have not done. Does anyone have any advice or
experiences to share that could help or at least reassure me that I am
not raising a demon child?

Hope

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Old December 12th 03, 01:27 PM
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:23:12 GMT, Hope wrote:

My DD, who will turn 1 in a couple of weeks, is a big pincher (hard)
and puller of hair (hard). It's getting so bad that I dread
situations where we'll encounter other children, especially younger
ones.

((((((((((((Hope)))))))))))))))

It's always difficult when it's your child who hits, pinches, bites or
pulls hair. But remember that really she is just experimenting at
this age. She is trying to see what happens when she uses her
fingers, teeth or hands this way.

I have tried using her hands to pat gently, praising her and saying
things like "nice! gentle hands!' and saying "no!" and removing her
hands when she is rough, but I don't seem to be getting through, I
hope she is just a bit young to understand and isn't going to be a
mean person :-(. I do my best to shadow her when we're around kids
and prevent 'attacks' but I always miss at least one and someone ends
up crying.

Keep doing what you have been doing. She will grow out of this phase
anyway, but it's good to prevent as much as possible. When she does
try to pinch, hold her hands for a little while, say *we use gentle
hands. pinching hurts,* then take her hand and show her how to touch
you (or the other child) gently.

People have suggested I pull *her* hair or pinch *her* when she does
it, which of course I have not done. Does anyone have any advice or
experiences to share that could help or at least reassure me that I am
not raising a demon child?

You may want to give her something pinchable and give her a doll with
hair she can pull. She is experimenting with the world.

When you do take her away from a situation where she is pinching, you
can say *we can't pinch people, but you can pinch this toy* and let
her experiment with the pinching motion. Note that when she is
pinching, she is using the motion she needs to pick up small pieces
of food or small toys. With the hair pulling you may want to try
giving her yarn she can pull apart.

And, no you are not raising a demon child, she's exploring and doesn't
yet know that she is hurting people and she also doesn't yet really
understand that people have feelings, they are still objects to her at
this point.

Hope



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Old December 12th 03, 04:05 PM
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Hope wrote in message . ..
My DD, who will turn 1 in a couple of weeks, is a big pincher (hard)
and puller of hair (hard). It's getting so bad that I dread
situations where we'll encounter other children, especially younger
ones.

I have tried using her hands to pat gently, praising her and saying
things like "nice! gentle hands!' and saying "no!" and removing her
hands when she is rough, but I don't seem to be getting through,


This is really about all you can do. The way I see it, you are almost
certainly "getting through" to her, but she is at an age where she
basically has no self-control (not to mention no sense whatsoever of
right and wrong!).

I
hope she is just a bit young to understand and isn't going to be a
mean person :-(.


The former, most definitely! My baby, my third, is also 11.5 months
and she loves to hit--hard. I do like you, saying and showing "No,
gently. Touch mommy gently." Then she gets a big smile and pats me.
The she gets a big smile and hits me hard 5 times on the head. Then
she lays her head gently on my shoulder, which is her "hug". She is
the sweetest baby in the world, as far as I'm concerned, and also
rough as all hell.

She acts the same "naughty" way in other situations. As I said in
another thread, she likes climbing out of her highchair. Due to our
"NOs" and other actions, she knows this is not to be done. So, instead
of not doing it, she does it and then leans over at us and makes the
absolute cutest face you can image -- exaggerated smile, squinty eyes.

Do always shadow her carefully around little kids and animals and just
whisk her away when she tries to smack/pinch/pull them. I always hold
my baby's hands and pat the baby or animal with her; I *never* let her
touch a helpless creature on her own, because I know she may well be
rough. Keep showing her what she *should* be doing and also saying no
about what she *is* doing, and some day, she will be safe to release
into society.
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Old December 13th 03, 03:24 AM
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"Hope" wrote in message
...
My DD, who will turn 1 in a couple of weeks, is a big pincher (hard)
and puller of hair (hard). It's getting so bad that I dread
situations where we'll encounter other children, especially younger
ones.


At that age DS went thru the same phase. He also would scratch us (his
parents).
I would say "Ouch that hurts" and pull back removing contact.
Eventually he realised that if he hurt people they would go away and he
would be left on his own, which he did not like.

People have suggested I pull *her* hair or pinch *her* when she does
it, which of course I have not done. Does anyone have any advice or
experiences to share that could help or at least reassure me that I am
not raising a demon child?


No don't do that, she will start to think it is the right way to punish
people who do something naughty.
However if another child has hurt her, next time she does it you can remind
her of what it felt like.
Also important is to praise her when she is good...
"You've been very good today at Sammy's, so I'm letting you have this
special treat."

I don't believe there is such a thing as a demon child.
They are very much a product of what we put into them.
I don't believe the old "tabula rasa" (blank slate) theory either, kids
definitely have different natures.


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Old December 13th 03, 07:23 AM
Hope
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:27:32 -0600, toto
wrote:

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:23:12 GMT, Hope wrote:

My DD, who will turn 1 in a couple of weeks, is a big pincher (hard)
and puller of hair (hard). It's getting so bad that I dread
situations where we'll encounter other children, especially younger
ones.

((((((((((((Hope)))))))))))))))

It's always difficult when it's your child who hits, pinches, bites or
pulls hair. But remember that really she is just experimenting at
this age. She is trying to see what happens when she uses her
fingers, teeth or hands this way.


It's horrible! My older child is always gentle, and never really hurt
anyone, even as a baby. I guess I was spoilt... at least I have never
claimed credit for his nice nature, I tell people that he was 'like
that when he got here' ;-).


You may want to give her something pinchable and give her a doll with
hair she can pull. She is experimenting with the world.

When you do take her away from a situation where she is pinching, you
can say *we can't pinch people, but you can pinch this toy* and let
her experiment with the pinching motion. Note that when she is
pinching, she is using the motion she needs to pick up small pieces
of food or small toys. With the hair pulling you may want to try
giving her yarn she can pull apart.


Those are great suggestions, thank you. That's what I needed!


Thanks for the reassurances.

Hope

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Old December 13th 03, 07:28 AM
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On 12 Dec 2003 08:05:29 -0800, (Nevermind) wrote:

Hope wrote in message . ..
My DD, who will turn 1 in a couple of weeks, is a big pincher (hard)
and puller of hair (hard). It's getting so bad that I dread
situations where we'll encounter other children, especially younger
ones.

I have tried using her hands to pat gently, praising her and saying
things like "nice! gentle hands!' and saying "no!" and removing her
hands when she is rough, but I don't seem to be getting through,


This is really about all you can do. The way I see it, you are almost
certainly "getting through" to her, but she is at an age where she
basically has no self-control (not to mention no sense whatsoever of
right and wrong!).


Right- and it seems like she *starts* to get the idea when we visit
someone, and then it's time to go home, so she forgets by next time.
She did learn to stop biting me on the boob when nursing in only a
couple of days (I just put her down when she bit me) so I know she can
remember some things, just not this yet I guess.

I
hope she is just a bit young to understand and isn't going to be a
mean person :-(.


The former, most definitely! My baby, my third, is also 11.5 months
and she loves to hit--hard. I do like you, saying and showing "No,
gently. Touch mommy gently." Then she gets a big smile and pats me.
The she gets a big smile and hits me hard 5 times on the head. Then
she lays her head gently on my shoulder, which is her "hug". She is
the sweetest baby in the world, as far as I'm concerned, and also
rough as all hell.



I LOL at this, sounds exactly like my girl. if it feels good gentle,
it must be better if I do it hard and fast, right mama?



She acts the same "naughty" way in other situations. As I said in
another thread, she likes climbing out of her highchair. Due to our
"NOs" and other actions, she knows this is not to be done. So, instead
of not doing it, she does it and then leans over at us and makes the
absolute cutest face you can image -- exaggerated smile, squinty eyes.


LOL again, maybe we have the same kid? Too funny (and yet SO
naughty!!).

Do always shadow her carefully around little kids and animals and just
whisk her away when she tries to smack/pinch/pull them. I always hold
my baby's hands and pat the baby or animal with her; I *never* let her
touch a helpless creature on her own, because I know she may well be
rough. Keep showing her what she *should* be doing and also saying no
about what she *is* doing, and some day, she will be safe to release
into society.


Thanks for the reassurance. I hate the feeling that other people
think she's mean... mostly the mums of kids who haven't reached this
stage yet. My older kid never did this sort of thing so I've been
devastated.

Hope

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Riley c/s 1993
Tara hbac 2002
http://www.babyslings-australia.com


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Old December 17th 03, 04:53 PM
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In article ,
Hope wrote:

My DD, who will turn 1 in a couple of weeks, is a big pincher (hard)
and puller of hair (hard). It's getting so bad that I dread
situations where we'll encounter other children, especially younger
ones.

I have tried using her hands to pat gently, praising her and saying
things like "nice! gentle hands!' and saying "no!" and removing her
hands when she is rough, but I don't seem to be getting through, I
hope she is just a bit young to understand and isn't going to be a
mean person :-(. I do my best to shadow her when we're around kids
and prevent 'attacks' but I always miss at least one and someone ends
up crying.

People have suggested I pull *her* hair or pinch *her* when she does
it, which of course I have not done. Does anyone have any advice or
experiences to share that could help or at least reassure me that I am
not raising a demon child?

Hope

--
Riley c/s 1993
Tara hbac 2002



preempt the behavior i.e. watch her like a hawk and intercept her

when she succeeds in pinching or pulling then isolate her -- this takes
lots of follow through -- but if the behavior results in being ignored
repeatedly she will get the message

'No' if repeated tends to reinforce through attention -- she 'knows' she
isn't supposed to do this -- the consequence needs to be isolation and
ignoring her [use a playpen if you have it] or remove her from the
playgroup

it is a hassle to follow through e.g. perhaps YOU don't want to leave --
but it really pays off when kids learn that there are certain things
that are simply outside the boundaries of what you will tolerate
 




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