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Doug wrote:
http://www.answers.com/topic/child-abuse More to consider, since we have debated these points as well, and you are wrong. "Sexual abuse is the least frequently reported form of child abuse and is believed to be the most under-reported type of child maltreatment because of the secrecy or "conspiracy of silence" that so often characterizes these cases. Sexual abuse includes fondling a child's genitals, intercourse, incest, rape, sodomy, exhibitionism, and commercial exploitation through prostitution or the production of pornographic materials." "Incidence Despite efforts to reduce child abuse in America, more than a million children are physically abused each year; about 2,000 die. Although the magnitude of sexual abuse of children in the United States is unknown, it is considered to be an escalating problem, and one that can result in serious psychological damage among victims. There are no reliable statistics available for emotional abuse and neglect, but these types of child abuse are as potentially damaging to their victims as are various forms of physical abuse. Child abuse extends across racial, ethnic, and socioeconomic lines, but there are consistently more reports concerning children born into poverty. The reporting of child abuse is complicated by the private nature of the crime, the fearfulness of the child, and strong motivation for denial in the abuser. Hi, Kane, Actually, rates of child abuse continue to decrease along with decreases in funding, according to the latest available data from USDHHS. http://tinyurl.com/r59pf "Rates of substantiated sexual abuse dropped by 6 percent in 2004 compared to the previous year, capping a 49 percent total decline since 1992. Rates of physical abuse declined by 11 percent from 2003 to 2004, making for a total 43 percent reduction since a peak in 1992. Neglect also declined 6 percent over the one year period." "'These are very encouraging,' said David Finkelhor, professor of sociology and director of the Crimes against Children Research Center at the University of New Hampshire, who has been studying these declines. http://tinyurl.com/r59pf "'For several years people thought these declines were statistical flukes or they attributed them to changes in the way cases were being investigated or reported." But Finkelhor and his colleagues' investigation into the details of the declines, in addition to their breadth and durability, have convinced him that fewer children really are being maltreated." I hear that there is a shortage of Cherry Pickers out in Washington state, Doug. You should try it. But then you probably make more money doing it as you do already. There was NO mention of funding cuts being significant to reductions...in fact, a hint that it's quite the opposite. "Finkelhor thinks that the declines are related to a variety of social changes that have occurred in the last generation. He cites more awareness about child maltreatment, improved parenting practices, and more effective treatment for family and mental health problems, including psychiatric medications." You could have quoted the entire piece...it's not much over a screen in length. Why didn't you? By the way. I think Finkelhor is wrong, but working with the available data. At least he's not cherry picking and he DOES acknowledge what you won't. Imagine, improved "parenting practices," which our friends in the alt.parenting.spanking newsgroup might want to think about. I have a hunch the "practices" don't include improved methods of child beating, or even spanking...both of which they've defended and left unchallenged when others advocated them. So tell us again about these funding cuts? What funding cuts? By the way, thanks for steering me to this source. I note something veeeeery interesting...and surprise, it's about your little MODEL state, Illinois. By golly, if they got kids out of foster care more and kept them with their families they sure managed, somehow to reduce the amount of physical abuse. But....snicker it seems two other categories went UP, Doug. UP. One of which is, to children, the most dangerous for risk for fatalities. Care to explain the great success of Illinois in this matter? Is this going to be another Florida where you crow that due to using cops for investigations the rate of children in foster care went down (NOT THE CAUSE AT ALL, AS I PROVED) ...but we found the rate of substantiated cases went UP? You sure are stupid, or very bad at predictions. Sexual Abuse Physical Abuse Neglect± % Change % Change % Change 1992- 2003- 1992- 2003- 1992- 2003- 2004 2004 2004 2004 2004 2004 2004 2004 2004 Il 18.3 2% 8% 25.4 66% -17% 59.9 -33% 11% Let me interpret for you, if the columns don't align properly. And you can check the chart at (it's a download to the Office format doc): http://www.unh.edu/news/img/cac/Decline_table.doc On the "Il" row, the first figure is the rate per 10,000 age 18 for year 2004. Overall for the span of years from 1992 to 2004, it is a 2% increase, with the 2003-2004 year an 8% increase..oh dear, Doug. Oh dear. That one is Sexual Abuse. A favorite of yours. Seems keeping the kiddies at home and out of foster care just made them more available to loving mommy and daddy or others. (Consistent with other findings by review of the research, Doug). Then physical abuse is next. A rate of 25.4 per 10k, with a wonderful 17% drop in the last year, but...oh dear...A 66% INCREASE FROM 92 TO 04, tsk, tsk, tsk. I wonder where Il, or you, were getting the figures to claim this fabulous improvement in child safety due to moving children out of Foster Care. Then the last set. Neglect, that most deadly of the kinds of abuse a child faces from parents. 59.9 per 10k, with a terrific drop from 92 to 04 of -33% but sadly in that last year reported... an 11% INCREASE. So much for your bull****, Doug. Moving children out of foster care, providing up front services...did NOT result in the claims you have made. The source for the data? Why, of course: "Source: NCANDS with additional calculations by CCRC; U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Administration on Children, Youth and Families. Child Maltreatment 1992-2004 (Washington, DC: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1992-2006). Doug, you are as full of **** as the proverbial Christmas goose. And you'll by the propagandist line of your anti-CPS DestroyCPS buddies forever, won't you. 0:- -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) |
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Isn't it a hoot when Doug actually posts verifiable website references
that have nothing to do with his claim? Rather than linking the "decline" to decreased funding, Finkelhor links the decline to: ".......a variety of social changes that have occurred in the last generation. He cites more awareness about child maltreatment, improved parenting practices, and more effective treatment for family and mental health problems, including psychiatric medications." I wonder if Doug reads the links and references he posts? LaVonne 0:- wrote: Doug wrote: http://www.answers.com/topic/child-abuse More to consider, since we have debated these points as well, and you are wrong. "Sexual abuse is the least frequently reported form of child abuse and is believed to be the most under-reported type of child maltreatment because of the secrecy or "conspiracy of silence" that so often characterizes these cases. Sexual abuse includes fondling a child's genitals, intercourse, incest, rape, sodomy, exhibitionism, and commercial exploitation through prostitution or the production of pornographic materials." "Incidence Despite efforts to reduce child abuse in America, more than a million children are physically abused each year; about 2,000 die. Although the magnitude of sexual abuse of children in the United States is unknown, it is considered to be an escalating problem, and one that can result in serious psychological damage among victims. There are no reliable statistics available for emotional abuse and neglect, but these types of child abuse are as potentially damaging to their victims as are various forms of physical abuse. Child abuse extends across racial, ethnic, and socioeconomic lines, but there are consistently more reports concerning children born into poverty. The reporting of child abuse is complicated by the private nature of the crime, the fearfulness of the child, and strong motivation for denial in the abuser. Hi, Kane, Actually, rates of child abuse continue to decrease along with decreases in funding, according to the latest available data from USDHHS. http://tinyurl.com/r59pf "Rates of substantiated sexual abuse dropped by 6 percent in 2004 compared to the previous year, capping a 49 percent total decline since 1992. Rates of physical abuse declined by 11 percent from 2003 to 2004, making for a total 43 percent reduction since a peak in 1992. Neglect also declined 6 percent over the one year period." "'These are very encouraging,' said David Finkelhor, professor of sociology and director of the Crimes against Children Research Center at the University of New Hampshire, who has been studying these declines. http://tinyurl.com/r59pf "'For several years people thought these declines were statistical flukes or they attributed them to changes in the way cases were being investigated or reported." But Finkelhor and his colleagues' investigation into the details of the declines, in addition to their breadth and durability, have convinced him that fewer children really are being maltreated." I hear that there is a shortage of Cherry Pickers out in Washington state, Doug. You should try it. But then you probably make more money doing it as you do already. There was NO mention of funding cuts being significant to reductions...in fact, a hint that it's quite the opposite. "Finkelhor thinks that the declines are related to a variety of social changes that have occurred in the last generation. He cites more awareness about child maltreatment, improved parenting practices, and more effective treatment for family and mental health problems, including psychiatric medications." You could have quoted the entire piece...it's not much over a screen in length. Why didn't you? By the way. I think Finkelhor is wrong, but working with the available data. At least he's not cherry picking and he DOES acknowledge what you won't. Imagine, improved "parenting practices," which our friends in the alt.parenting.spanking newsgroup might want to think about. I have a hunch the "practices" don't include improved methods of child beating, or even spanking...both of which they've defended and left unchallenged when others advocated them. So tell us again about these funding cuts? What funding cuts? By the way, thanks for steering me to this source. I note something veeeeery interesting...and surprise, it's about your little MODEL state, Illinois. By golly, if they got kids out of foster care more and kept them with their families they sure managed, somehow to reduce the amount of physical abuse. But....snicker it seems two other categories went UP, Doug. UP. One of which is, to children, the most dangerous for risk for fatalities. Care to explain the great success of Illinois in this matter? Is this going to be another Florida where you crow that due to using cops for investigations the rate of children in foster care went down (NOT THE CAUSE AT ALL, AS I PROVED) ...but we found the rate of substantiated cases went UP? You sure are stupid, or very bad at predictions. Sexual Abuse Physical Abuse Neglect± % Change % Change % Change 1992- 2003- 1992- 2003- 1992- 2003- 2004 2004 2004 2004 2004 2004 2004 2004 2004 Il 18.3 2% 8% 25.4 66% -17% 59.9 -33% 11% Let me interpret for you, if the columns don't align properly. And you can check the chart at (it's a download to the Office format doc): http://www.unh.edu/news/img/cac/Decline_table.doc On the "Il" row, the first figure is the rate per 10,000 age 18 for year 2004. Overall for the span of years from 1992 to 2004, it is a 2% increase, with the 2003-2004 year an 8% increase..oh dear, Doug. Oh dear. That one is Sexual Abuse. A favorite of yours. Seems keeping the kiddies at home and out of foster care just made them more available to loving mommy and daddy or others. (Consistent with other findings by review of the research, Doug). Then physical abuse is next. A rate of 25.4 per 10k, with a wonderful 17% drop in the last year, but...oh dear...A 66% INCREASE FROM 92 TO 04, tsk, tsk, tsk. I wonder where Il, or you, were getting the figures to claim this fabulous improvement in child safety due to moving children out of Foster Care. Then the last set. Neglect, that most deadly of the kinds of abuse a child faces from parents. 59.9 per 10k, with a terrific drop from 92 to 04 of -33% but sadly in that last year reported... an 11% INCREASE. So much for your bull****, Doug. Moving children out of foster care, providing up front services...did NOT result in the claims you have made. The source for the data? Why, of course: "Source: NCANDS with additional calculations by CCRC; U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Administration on Children, Youth and Families. Child Maltreatment 1992-2004 (Washington, DC: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1992-2006). Doug, you are as full of **** as the proverbial Christmas goose. And you'll by the propagandist line of your anti-CPS DestroyCPS buddies forever, won't you. 0:- |
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Carlson LaVonne wrote:
Isn't it a hoot when Doug actually posts verifiable website references that have nothing to do with his claim? Rather than linking the "decline" to decreased funding, Finkelhor links the decline to: ".......a variety of social changes that have occurred in the last generation. He cites more awareness about child maltreatment, improved parenting practices, and more effective treatment for family and mental health problems, including psychiatric medications." I wonder if Doug reads the links and references he posts? I've observed, in myself as well as others, that if I practice something long and hard I will tend to carry over what I practice into other areas. Doug would be a great cherry picker, if he had a cherry tree. So he learns to pick literary cherries, leaving those he wishes not to pick for their bad effect on his argument...hence when it comes time to see things that COULD impact his argument, naturally he's practiced MISSING THINGS and so he misses. No big thing, really. Some of the kids I worked with would steal for practice, forgetting they could get caught for taking something they didn't even want...hence risking unnecessarily. Habit. Stupidity. Among other things. LaVonne But laughable. As he likes to say, mostly when unwarranted, but warranted now, LOL! 0:- 0:- wrote: Doug wrote: http://www.answers.com/topic/child-abuse More to consider, since we have debated these points as well, and you are wrong. "Sexual abuse is the least frequently reported form of child abuse and is believed to be the most under-reported type of child maltreatment because of the secrecy or "conspiracy of silence" that so often characterizes these cases. Sexual abuse includes fondling a child's genitals, intercourse, incest, rape, sodomy, exhibitionism, and commercial exploitation through prostitution or the production of pornographic materials." "Incidence Despite efforts to reduce child abuse in America, more than a million children are physically abused each year; about 2,000 die. Although the magnitude of sexual abuse of children in the United States is unknown, it is considered to be an escalating problem, and one that can result in serious psychological damage among victims. There are no reliable statistics available for emotional abuse and neglect, but these types of child abuse are as potentially damaging to their victims as are various forms of physical abuse. Child abuse extends across racial, ethnic, and socioeconomic lines, but there are consistently more reports concerning children born into poverty. The reporting of child abuse is complicated by the private nature of the crime, the fearfulness of the child, and strong motivation for denial in the abuser. Hi, Kane, Actually, rates of child abuse continue to decrease along with decreases in funding, according to the latest available data from USDHHS. http://tinyurl.com/r59pf "Rates of substantiated sexual abuse dropped by 6 percent in 2004 compared to the previous year, capping a 49 percent total decline since 1992. Rates of physical abuse declined by 11 percent from 2003 to 2004, making for a total 43 percent reduction since a peak in 1992. Neglect also declined 6 percent over the one year period." "'These are very encouraging,' said David Finkelhor, professor of sociology and director of the Crimes against Children Research Center at the University of New Hampshire, who has been studying these declines. http://tinyurl.com/r59pf "'For several years people thought these declines were statistical flukes or they attributed them to changes in the way cases were being investigated or reported." But Finkelhor and his colleagues' investigation into the details of the declines, in addition to their breadth and durability, have convinced him that fewer children really are being maltreated." I hear that there is a shortage of Cherry Pickers out in Washington state, Doug. You should try it. But then you probably make more money doing it as you do already. There was NO mention of funding cuts being significant to reductions...in fact, a hint that it's quite the opposite. "Finkelhor thinks that the declines are related to a variety of social changes that have occurred in the last generation. He cites more awareness about child maltreatment, improved parenting practices, and more effective treatment for family and mental health problems, including psychiatric medications." You could have quoted the entire piece...it's not much over a screen in length. Why didn't you? By the way. I think Finkelhor is wrong, but working with the available data. At least he's not cherry picking and he DOES acknowledge what you won't. Imagine, improved "parenting practices," which our friends in the alt.parenting.spanking newsgroup might want to think about. I have a hunch the "practices" don't include improved methods of child beating, or even spanking...both of which they've defended and left unchallenged when others advocated them. So tell us again about these funding cuts? What funding cuts? By the way, thanks for steering me to this source. I note something veeeeery interesting...and surprise, it's about your little MODEL state, Illinois. By golly, if they got kids out of foster care more and kept them with their families they sure managed, somehow to reduce the amount of physical abuse. But....snicker it seems two other categories went UP, Doug. UP. One of which is, to children, the most dangerous for risk for fatalities. Care to explain the great success of Illinois in this matter? Is this going to be another Florida where you crow that due to using cops for investigations the rate of children in foster care went down (NOT THE CAUSE AT ALL, AS I PROVED) ...but we found the rate of substantiated cases went UP? You sure are stupid, or very bad at predictions. Sexual Abuse Physical Abuse Neglect± % Change % Change % Change 1992- 2003- 1992- 2003- 1992- 2003- 2004 2004 2004 2004 2004 2004 2004 2004 2004 Il 18.3 2% 8% 25.4 66% -17% 59.9 -33% 11% Let me interpret for you, if the columns don't align properly. And you can check the chart at (it's a download to the Office format doc): http://www.unh.edu/news/img/cac/Decline_table.doc On the "Il" row, the first figure is the rate per 10,000 age 18 for year 2004. Overall for the span of years from 1992 to 2004, it is a 2% increase, with the 2003-2004 year an 8% increase..oh dear, Doug. Oh dear. That one is Sexual Abuse. A favorite of yours. Seems keeping the kiddies at home and out of foster care just made them more available to loving mommy and daddy or others. (Consistent with other findings by review of the research, Doug). Then physical abuse is next. A rate of 25.4 per 10k, with a wonderful 17% drop in the last year, but...oh dear...A 66% INCREASE FROM 92 TO 04, tsk, tsk, tsk. I wonder where Il, or you, were getting the figures to claim this fabulous improvement in child safety due to moving children out of Foster Care. Then the last set. Neglect, that most deadly of the kinds of abuse a child faces from parents. 59.9 per 10k, with a terrific drop from 92 to 04 of -33% but sadly in that last year reported... an 11% INCREASE. So much for your bull****, Doug. Moving children out of foster care, providing up front services...did NOT result in the claims you have made. The source for the data? Why, of course: "Source: NCANDS with additional calculations by CCRC; U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Administration on Children, Youth and Families. Child Maltreatment 1992-2004 (Washington, DC: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1992-2006). Doug, you are as full of **** as the proverbial Christmas goose. And you'll by the propagandist line of your anti-CPS DestroyCPS buddies forever, won't you. 0:- -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) |
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0:- wrote: Carlson LaVonne wrote: Isn't it a hoot when Doug actually posts verifiable website references that have nothing to do with his claim? Rather than linking the "decline" to decreased funding, Finkelhor links the decline to: ".......a variety of social changes that have occurred in the last generation. He cites more awareness about child maltreatment, improved parenting practices, and more effective treatment for family and mental health problems, including psychiatric medications." I wonder if Doug reads the links and references he posts? I've observed, in myself as well as others, that if I practice something long and hard I will tend to carry over what I practice into other areas. I think he also practices selective reading and practicing....seeing only what he wants to see. This would explain the posting of a website that only seems to confirm part of his position, without reading the website in its entirety. Doug would be a great cherry picker, if he had a cherry tree. So he learns to pick literary cherries, leaving those he wishes not to pick for their bad effect on his argument...hence when it comes time to see things that COULD impact his argument, naturally he's practiced MISSING THINGS and so he misses. Practice makes perfect, or so I've heard (grin)! No big thing, really. Some of the kids I worked with would steal for practice, forgetting they could get caught for taking something they didn't even want...hence risking unnecessarily. Habit. Stupidity. Among other things. Some of the "other things" are probably needing attention, and validation. I remember working with a little 6 year old girl who had been the victim of maltreatment by her mother and assorted boyfriends of her mother. She would kick me, hit me, etc. and say, "Now are you going to spank me?" She was looking for anything that said, "Pay attention to me. I'm important." I continued to hold her and tell her that I would never hit her. I liked her for who she was. She's now a college graduate with an income nearly double mine and a family of her own. And before the anti-CPS rapids respond, I was her teacher. I was not a social worker or a caseworker for CPS. Never have been -- and never will be! LaVonne LaVonne But laughable. As he likes to say, mostly when unwarranted, but warranted now, LOL! 0:- 0:- wrote: Doug wrote: http://www.answers.com/topic/child-abuse More to consider, since we have debated these points as well, and you are wrong. "Sexual abuse is the least frequently reported form of child abuse and is believed to be the most under-reported type of child maltreatment because of the secrecy or "conspiracy of silence" that so often characterizes these cases. Sexual abuse includes fondling a child's genitals, intercourse, incest, rape, sodomy, exhibitionism, and commercial exploitation through prostitution or the production of pornographic materials." "Incidence Despite efforts to reduce child abuse in America, more than a million children are physically abused each year; about 2,000 die. Although the magnitude of sexual abuse of children in the United States is unknown, it is considered to be an escalating problem, and one that can result in serious psychological damage among victims. There are no reliable statistics available for emotional abuse and neglect, but these types of child abuse are as potentially damaging to their victims as are various forms of physical abuse. Child abuse extends across racial, ethnic, and socioeconomic lines, but there are consistently more reports concerning children born into poverty. The reporting of child abuse is complicated by the private nature of the crime, the fearfulness of the child, and strong motivation for denial in the abuser. Hi, Kane, Actually, rates of child abuse continue to decrease along with decreases in funding, according to the latest available data from USDHHS. http://tinyurl.com/r59pf "Rates of substantiated sexual abuse dropped by 6 percent in 2004 compared to the previous year, capping a 49 percent total decline since 1992. Rates of physical abuse declined by 11 percent from 2003 to 2004, making for a total 43 percent reduction since a peak in 1992. Neglect also declined 6 percent over the one year period." "'These are very encouraging,' said David Finkelhor, professor of sociology and director of the Crimes against Children Research Center at the University of New Hampshire, who has been studying these declines. http://tinyurl.com/r59pf "'For several years people thought these declines were statistical flukes or they attributed them to changes in the way cases were being investigated or reported." But Finkelhor and his colleagues' investigation into the details of the declines, in addition to their breadth and durability, have convinced him that fewer children really are being maltreated." I hear that there is a shortage of Cherry Pickers out in Washington state, Doug. You should try it. But then you probably make more money doing it as you do already. There was NO mention of funding cuts being significant to reductions...in fact, a hint that it's quite the opposite. "Finkelhor thinks that the declines are related to a variety of social changes that have occurred in the last generation. He cites more awareness about child maltreatment, improved parenting practices, and more effective treatment for family and mental health problems, including psychiatric medications." You could have quoted the entire piece...it's not much over a screen in length. Why didn't you? By the way. I think Finkelhor is wrong, but working with the available data. At least he's not cherry picking and he DOES acknowledge what you won't. Imagine, improved "parenting practices," which our friends in the alt.parenting.spanking newsgroup might want to think about. I have a hunch the "practices" don't include improved methods of child beating, or even spanking...both of which they've defended and left unchallenged when others advocated them. So tell us again about these funding cuts? What funding cuts? By the way, thanks for steering me to this source. I note something veeeeery interesting...and surprise, it's about your little MODEL state, Illinois. By golly, if they got kids out of foster care more and kept them with their families they sure managed, somehow to reduce the amount of physical abuse. But....snicker it seems two other categories went UP, Doug. UP. One of which is, to children, the most dangerous for risk for fatalities. Care to explain the great success of Illinois in this matter? Is this going to be another Florida where you crow that due to using cops for investigations the rate of children in foster care went down (NOT THE CAUSE AT ALL, AS I PROVED) ...but we found the rate of substantiated cases went UP? You sure are stupid, or very bad at predictions. Sexual Abuse Physical Abuse Neglect± % Change % Change % Change 1992- 2003- 1992- 2003- 1992- 2003- 2004 2004 2004 2004 2004 2004 2004 2004 2004 Il 18.3 2% 8% 25.4 66% -17% 59.9 -33% 11% Let me interpret for you, if the columns don't align properly. And you can check the chart at (it's a download to the Office format doc): http://www.unh.edu/news/img/cac/Decline_table.doc On the "Il" row, the first figure is the rate per 10,000 age 18 for year 2004. Overall for the span of years from 1992 to 2004, it is a 2% increase, with the 2003-2004 year an 8% increase..oh dear, Doug. Oh dear. That one is Sexual Abuse. A favorite of yours. Seems keeping the kiddies at home and out of foster care just made them more available to loving mommy and daddy or others. (Consistent with other findings by review of the research, Doug). Then physical abuse is next. A rate of 25.4 per 10k, with a wonderful 17% drop in the last year, but...oh dear...A 66% INCREASE FROM 92 TO 04, tsk, tsk, tsk. I wonder where Il, or you, were getting the figures to claim this fabulous improvement in child safety due to moving children out of Foster Care. Then the last set. Neglect, that most deadly of the kinds of abuse a child faces from parents. 59.9 per 10k, with a terrific drop from 92 to 04 of -33% but sadly in that last year reported... an 11% INCREASE. So much for your bull****, Doug. Moving children out of foster care, providing up front services...did NOT result in the claims you have made. The source for the data? Why, of course: "Source: NCANDS with additional calculations by CCRC; U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Administration on Children, Youth and Families. Child Maltreatment 1992-2004 (Washington, DC: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1992-2006). Doug, you are as full of **** as the proverbial Christmas goose. And you'll by the propagandist line of your anti-CPS DestroyCPS buddies forever, won't you. 0:- |
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