Spanking Leads To Child Aggression And Anxiety, Regardless Of Cultural Norm

On Fri, 12 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote:

krp wrote:
"Doan" wrote in message
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2007, krp wrote:

"Doan" wrote in message
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First, the study is a correlation study. No CAUSATION can be implied.
Thus, the claim that spanking "Leads" to child aggression and anxiety
is bogus! Second, the authors themselves admitted that they included
beatings that are certainly abusive in the USA in study. If you
really
want to debate this study, I am willing to give it a shot - no verbal
abuse warranted. ;-) Wanna give me a try? My guess is you will be
the one that do the avoidance and instead will use your little Kane9
to do the verbal abuse and attack for you.

There is NO scientifically acceptable evidence that spanking causes
aggression in Children. There is considerable evidence that a lack of
spanking can produce sociopathy in children.

Do you know that Kane is a "never-spanked" boy?


Wouldn't surprise me.

I asked you to confine debate on this issue to alt.parenting.spanking.

Then why did you cross-posted this?

Can I take this as your chosen opportunity to run then?

Run??? The only one that doing the running is YOU, STUPID KANE! ;-)

Doan

Doan wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007, krp wrote:

"Doan" wrote in message
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First, the study is a correlation study. No CAUSATION can be implied.
Thus, the claim that spanking "Leads" to child aggression and anxiety
is bogus! Second, the authors themselves admitted that they included
beatings that are certainly abusive in the USA in study. If you really
want to debate this study, I am willing to give it a shot - no verbal
abuse warranted. ;-) Wanna give me a try? My guess is you will be
the one that do the avoidance and instead will use your little Kane9
to do the verbal abuse and attack for you.

There is NO scientifically acceptable evidence that spanking causes
aggression in Children. There is considerable evidence that a lack of
spanking can produce sociopathy in children.

Do you know that Kane is a "never-spanked" boy?

You're wrong. Kane is Don Fisher/d'geezer and he has had quite a 'brutal
upbringing' before his adoption.




Doan



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I offered to debate this issue with krp.

No others will be responded to.

And my name, past, experiences, are of no consequence to this debate
with krp.

Unless of course anyone wishes to divert from the facts and evidence of
krp's claim and my challenge.

I will consider that krp's allow others to do so in his behalf unless he
takes up the challenge as I stated in previous posts and posts only to
me on the issue.

Otherwise, the lot of you silly asses can go **** up a rope.

0:-]

0:- wrote:
I offered to debate this issue with krp.

No others will be responded to.

And my name, past, experiences, are of no consequence to this debate
with krp.

Unless of course anyone wishes to divert from the facts and evidence of
krp's claim and my challenge.

I will consider that krp's allow others to do so in his behalf unless he
takes up the challenge as I stated in previous posts and posts only to
me on the issue.

Otherwise, the lot of you silly asses can go **** up a rope.

0:-]

krp, do you need help?

If not, let's open the debate.

Please confine yourself to the alt.parenting.spanking newsgroup so we
are on topic with our discussion. I will, of course, do the same.

Thanks, Kane

0:- wrote:

Your nonsense is ot is ASCPS Don.

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0:- wrote:

Don

We know you have serious issues - but please snip ASCPS

Your hysterical spanking rants are ot here.

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"0:-" wrote in message
...

First, the study is a correlation study. No CAUSATION can be
implied.
Thus, the claim that spanking "Leads" to child aggression and anxiety
is bogus! Second, the authors themselves admitted that they included
beatings that are certainly abusive in the USA in study. If you
really
want to debate this study, I am willing to give it a shot - no verbal
abuse warranted. ;-) Wanna give me a try? My guess is you will be
the one that do the avoidance and instead will use your little Kane9
to do the verbal abuse and attack for you.

There is NO scientifically acceptable evidence that spanking causes
aggression in Children. There is considerable evidence that a lack of
spanking can produce sociopathy in children.

Do you know that Kane is a "never-spanked" boy?


Wouldn't surprise me.

I asked you to confine debate on this issue to alt.parenting.spanking.

No you didn't ask ME, but it applies in both places.

The leading proponent of ANTI-SPANKING has been Richard Gelles.

The book "Behind Closed Doors" by Strauss, Steinmetz, and Gelles was
the groundbreaking book on family violence. Since the book almost 25 years
ago, Gelles has gone on the stump against corporal punishment of children.
His writings on the subject have been Non-scientific, and at best anecdotal.
It is interesting to note that one of his fellow Authors Suzanne Steinmetz
has taken issue with his claims. It is also important to recognize that the
founder of no spanking, Dr. Benjamin Spock in the later years of his life
repudiated his earlier notions as "wrong headed." He learned how WRONG he
had been only after he became a parent.

In 1950 sociopathy was a rare commodity. There were sociopaths, there
have always been sociopaths. But it is estimated by some scholars (Adams U.
Ga.) as far back as 20 years ago that sociopathy was hitting as much as 30%
of the population.

Ron there are children who self discipline. They never need a spanking.
My youngest daughter was like that. When she did something wrong she'd
really punish herself, often too much, and she needed a great deal of
reassurance and nurturing. there ARE however children who don't naturally
develop a conscience on their own who can be taught by corporal punishment
to consider others. There are, of course some who can't. In any event a
parent only has a small window of opportunity to teach a child, because if a
child reaches 10 and has no empathy for others, no matter what you do it is
pointless. Spanking would be a waste of time. However between 4 and 10 it
can be a valuable tool.

Now as to spanking... I am not speaking of wild uncontrolled angry
outbursts that injure a child. I am speaking of traditional, reasoned,
spanking. Ron they call the rear end "the seat of learning" for a reason.
It works if done correctly. Reasoned, temperate, minimal but forceful.Some
pain is needed. No pain, no gain as they say.

"0:-" wrote in message
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First, the study is a correlation study. No CAUSATION can be
implied.
Thus, the claim that spanking "Leads" to child aggression and anxiety
is bogus! Second, the authors themselves admitted that they included
beatings that are certainly abusive in the USA in study. If you
really
want to debate this study, I am willing to give it a shot - no verbal
abuse warranted. ;-) Wanna give me a try? My guess is you will be
the one that do the avoidance and instead will use your little Kane9
to do the verbal abuse and attack for you.

There is NO scientifically acceptable evidence that spanking causes
aggression in Children. There is considerable evidence that a lack of
spanking can produce sociopathy in children.

Do you know that Kane is a "never-spanked" boy?

Did you notice, Ken, that Doan didn't agree with you? Didn't contribute
anything to the issue?

Should I fly off the handle at him? Call him names? Belittle him? Find
somebody that says bad things about him and proclaim that I agree 100% with
what his detractors claim about him? No Kane - I AM NOT YOU!

My status or yours as having been spanked or not is not relevant to the
issue if we are going to discuss facts....and FACTS seem to be what you
claim you have.

A lack of discipline as a child can and usually does explain abusive
behavior in adults.

"Doan" wrote in message
...

First, the study is a correlation study. No CAUSATION can be
implied.
Thus, the claim that spanking "Leads" to child aggression and
anxiety
is bogus! Second, the authors themselves admitted that they
included
beatings that are certainly abusive in the USA in study. If you
really
want to debate this study, I am willing to give it a shot - no
verbal
abuse warranted. ;-) Wanna give me a try? My guess is you will
be
the one that do the avoidance and instead will use your little
Kane9
to do the verbal abuse and attack for you.

There is NO scientifically acceptable evidence that spanking causes
aggression in Children. There is considerable evidence that a lack of
spanking can produce sociopathy in children.

Do you know that Kane is a "never-spanked" boy?

Did you notice, Ken, that Doan didn't agree with you? Didn't contribute
anything to the issue?

What? Where did I say that I didn't agree, Kane? There is no
scientifically acceptable evidence that spanking causes aggression in
Children!

The MAIN proponent of the Anti_Spanking issue is Richard Gelles. To date
I have seen nothing in his journal articles that even remotely approached
scientific evidence of the claim that spanking makes kids agressive. He may
have a point when we speak of wild angry excessive beatings, but not
rational controled spanking. In fact evidence suggests the opposite.

My status or yours as having been spanked or not is not relevant to the
issue if we are going to discuss facts....and FACTS seem to be what you
claim you have.

Hihihi!

Shall we then? You first.

Where is the evidence that spanking CAUSES aggression in children?

If you notice Kane and Ron have a credibility problem, including things
like claiming you said things you didn't. It seems to be de rigueur in their
argument style.

" krp" wrote in message
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"0:-" wrote in message
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Ron there are children who self discipline. They never need a spanking.
(snip)

Kenny, I'm not involved in this discussion, and rarely comment on CP issues.
Do some research dopy, get the facts before you again make yourself look
like an idiot.

Ron