Dads Alert: Child Support Enforcement Scams

"Bob Whiteside" wrote in

Where CS orders become blackmail is when the awards are inflated by
imputed
incomes, false claims of arrearages are allowed to be included by
converting
money already paid to gifts, arbitrary additions are made for time lags in
implementing modifications, and guideline amounts are inflated by basic
award additions for things like healthcare, childcare, etc. before they
occur instead of being paid when those expenses can be documented.


IN my case they awarded her 6 years of arrearages that dated from the birth
of the baby.
This amounted to $42,000, it's close to $60,000 now that immigration says I
am not allowed to work.

It's not blackmail as they are quite open about it, more like government
sanctioned extortion!

"DB" wrote in message
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"Bob Whiteside" wrote in

Where CS orders become blackmail is when the awards are inflated by
imputed
incomes, false claims of arrearages are allowed to be included by
converting
money already paid to gifts, arbitrary additions are made for time lags
in
implementing modifications, and guideline amounts are inflated by basic
award additions for things like healthcare, childcare, etc. before they
occur instead of being paid when those expenses can be documented.


IN my case they awarded her 6 years of arrearages that dated from the
birth
of the baby.
This amounted to $42,000, it's close to $60,000 now that immigration says
I
am not allowed to work.

It's not blackmail as they are quite open about it, more like government
sanctioned extortion!

The sickest part about it is they are out to wreck your life when you have
done NOTHING wrong; and she, the "victim", gets to live a rosy life along
with the rest of her sicko government friends. So true the saying "to the
fool, right will seem wrong and wrong will seem right".

"John Meyer" wrote in message
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Bob Whiteside wrote:


I may be an exception, but when CSE got involved in my case, and the
state
started doing CS accounting, collections, and disbursements, all the
false
claims of non-payment of support stopped. The game in my case was to
switch
how payments were applied from CS, to SS, to attorney fees. That
allowed
her to collect disputed attorney fees using the CS enforcement laws.

When I paid directly, and later when I through a Garnishment By Attorney
where my employer sent her the CS payments, it was always my word
against
her word. Guess who always won that discrepency? I ended up paying
over
$13,000 more than the court ordered just because she couldn't keep track
of
what I paid. Believe it or not, at one point she complained I was
sending
her too many checks to deposit, and that was causing her to lose some of
the
checks.

Once the state started doing the CS accounting all the games stopped.


I don't doubt it. And to a certain degree I can even comprehend fathers
actually going to CSE and demanding formal child support agreements.
What happened to me, was slightly different. Because I voluntarily
signed myself and my kids up for health insurance, the company involved
calculated the child support in the wrong manner (child support then
health insurance, as opposed to child support then health insurance when
the health insurance is ordered by the court). Had I not caught the
error in time (I checked online the day before the checks were to be
printed) I would have had to have gone two weeks without any sort of
pay. Then end result, however, was that I didn't have three full
"months" of payment until four months later, thereby delaying a
reinstatement of my driver's license. In short, I was punished for
voluntarily getting health insurance for my kids.
You may ask you why I didn't just wait for the health order to sign me
and my kids up (and I just loved the violation of the First Amendment in
this; you are forced to associate with a business if the health
insurance company makes it impossible for them to sign up the kids
without the adult)? Well, from a discussion with an HR rep, if that had
gone through, HR would have simply blindly signed me up for any
insurance. They strongly hinted that they might sign me up for the most
expensive insurance, which would have cost me $50 per month. Not to
mention the fact that the CSE order wouldn't have reflected what I was
paying out, just the fact that I owed this amount of child support +
health insurance. By the time I straightened this out through the
courts, I could have been working months on end as a slave.

You already ARE working as a slave every time you give them one more dollar.
Your above experience is a CLEAR example of the game that doesn't stop just
because the government is taking away your money directly. Another of their
MANY games is to report you as delinquent when in fact your payments are
actually paid in advance! So no matter how much you follow thier rules,
doesn't matter, they can do whatever they want whenever they want to punish
you! The beat goes on...........

"Chris" wrote in
So no matter how much you follow thier rules,
doesn't matter, they can do whatever they want whenever they want to
punish
you! The beat goes on...........

NCP's are second class citizens, the government now has an open license to
do what ever they please with you.
NCP's will provide a larger chunk of money than normal for their own
children as dictated by the government.

Chris wrote:

You already ARE working as a slave every time you give them one more dollar.
Your above experience is a CLEAR example of the game that doesn't stop just
because the government is taking away your money directly. Another of their
MANY games is to report you as delinquent when in fact your payments are
actually paid in advance! So no matter how much you follow thier rules,
doesn't matter, they can do whatever they want whenever they want to punish
you! The beat goes on...........



In several times, and at several times, I have contemplated dropping off
the system and going on the lamb. My last name isn't Sisyphus or Atlas,
and rolling the boulder up the hill gets dull after a while. But I
haven't for a few reasons.
1. first off I approach this issue not only as a non custodial parent
but as a son of a custodial parent. I don't know exactly how much my
father owes, but I do know that it is in the tens of thousands. I've
made my peace with that; my father has dropped off of my life for years.
But I will not do that which was done to me to my sons. I will
struggle, but I will persist.
2. Going on the lamb is the one thing I believe that they want, and the
*******s can starve before they get it. How many galleons of ink and
tons of tree pulp have been spent posting up deadbeat lists? How many
district attorneys have crooned about putting deadbeats behind bars?
Part of the reason why those numbers are so high is because I think the
bureaucracy wants them that high. The day when all child support is
paid up is a day when the voters wonder if they really need those people
anymore.
3. Even if I am powerless (and even that I question) I am far from
voiceless. I can protest, I can picket, sign and circulate petitions.
I can be the stinging bee the prods the government bull off its feet.
And that is something I will not give up by running. I've heard too many
people worn out by the system just give up. While I understand the
frustration, it is not in my system to do the same. I keep my blog up
, keep active in the struggles, and maybe, just maybe, we'll turn the
corner. Think of it this way: it took all the way to 1994 for the
Republicans to actually get their crap together and become the
powerhouse that they were.

It's an old story, but here's the real reason why I stay inside the
system and try to fight it out: there was a man walking along a beach
one day when the tide went out. He saw a boy, picking up starfish that
had been stranded and tossing them back out. The starfish almost
covered the span of the shore. The man said, "why in the world are you
doing that? You'll never be able to help them all?". The boy picked up
one and tossed it back. 'I helped that one,' he replied.
If in my postings I help one non custodial regain a place in their
child's life, if I turn one person on to the unfairness of the system,
if I even make one person stop and think that maybe not all fathers are
as bad as the system makes out, that's enough for me.

"DB" wrote in message
...

"Chris" wrote in
So no matter how much you follow thier rules,
doesn't matter, they can do whatever they want whenever they want to
punish
you! The beat goes on...........

NCP's are second class citizens, the government now has an open license to
do what ever they please with you.

Indeed! I have asked MANY people why this is so, and not one of them has
been able to answer anything beyond "because they can". I challenge any
judge, politician, law enforcement officer, "child support" worker,
government employee, CP, NCP, ANYONE to justify such
arrangement.

NCP's will provide a larger chunk of money than normal for their own
children as dictated by the government.

"John Meyer" wrote in message
. ..
Chris wrote:

You already ARE working as a slave every time you give them one more
dollar.
Your above experience is a CLEAR example of the game that doesn't stop
just
because the government is taking away your money directly. Another of
their
MANY games is to report you as delinquent when in fact your payments are
actually paid in advance! So no matter how much you follow thier rules,
doesn't matter, they can do whatever they want whenever they want to
punish
you! The beat goes on...........



In several times, and at several times, I have contemplated dropping off
the system and going on the lamb. My last name isn't Sisyphus or Atlas,
and rolling the boulder up the hill gets dull after a while. But I
haven't for a few reasons.
1. first off I approach this issue not only as a non custodial parent
but as a son of a custodial parent. I don't know exactly how much my
father owes, but I do know that it is in the tens of thousands. I've
made my peace with that; my father has dropped off of my life for years.
But I will not do that which was done to me to my sons. I will
struggle, but I will persist.
2. Going on the lamb is the one thing I believe that they want, and the
*******s can starve before they get it. How many galleons of ink and
tons of tree pulp have been spent posting up deadbeat lists? How many
district attorneys have crooned about putting deadbeats behind bars?
Part of the reason why those numbers are so high is because I think the
bureaucracy wants them that high. The day when all child support is
paid up is a day when the voters wonder if they really need those people
anymore.
3. Even if I am powerless (and even that I question) I am far from
voiceless. I can protest, I can picket, sign and circulate petitions.
I can be the stinging bee the prods the government bull off its feet.
And that is something I will not give up by running. I've heard too many
people worn out by the system just give up. While I understand the
frustration, it is not in my system to do the same. I keep my blog up
, keep active in the struggles, and maybe, just maybe, we'll turn the
corner. Think of it this way: it took all the way to 1994 for the
Republicans to actually get their crap together and become the
powerhouse that they were.

It's an old story, but here's the real reason why I stay inside the
system and try to fight it out: there was a man walking along a beach
one day when the tide went out. He saw a boy, picking up starfish that
had been stranded and tossing them back out. The starfish almost
covered the span of the shore. The man said, "why in the world are you
doing that? You'll never be able to help them all?". The boy picked up
one and tossed it back. 'I helped that one,' he replied.
If in my postings I help one non custodial regain a place in their
child's life, if I turn one person on to the unfairness of the system,
if I even make one person stop and think that maybe not all fathers are
as bad as the system makes out, that's enough for me.

That's all well and good, but merely advocating "child support" makes you no
different than those who extort the money.

Chris wrote:

That's all well and good, but merely advocating "child support" makes you no
different than those who extort the money.


By that line of reasoning, if you aren't dodging taxes, you could march
in a hundred thousand parades against the war on Iraq and you are still
supporting Bush's war. The logic of you're either with us or against us
is part of the reason why we're in this quagmire to begin with.
I have never supported the CSE's simplistic belief of child support as
merely being money transferred from house a to house b. In fact I have
been quick to point out that the designation of a person as a "deadbeat"
or a "bad parent" for failing to meet another person's arbitrary
standards is hypocritical and absurd. But if you think the only real
alternative is to give the child support enforcement agency a whole
forest full of deadbeat posters by saying you will not pay anything, you
are playing right into their hands.
What I am advocating is far from just "child support". I am advocating
that we use the new media to our advantage. I am advocating that we
show what hard working parents with no intention of abandoning their
parents what they have to go through. And I am advocating changing the
laws where we can flex the muscle to do so. None of those things are
going to happen overnight, and in the meantime we are going to have to
live in the world that is.

"John Meyer" wrote in message
...
Chris wrote:

That's all well and good, but merely advocating "child support" makes
you no
different than those who extort the money.


By that line of reasoning, if you aren't dodging taxes, you could march
in a hundred thousand parades against the war on Iraq and you are still
supporting Bush's war.

Faulty analogy. Paying taxes by force or threat thereof is NOT the same as
advocating such taxes, let alone any war.

The logic of you're either with us or against us
is part of the reason why we're in this quagmire to begin with.
I have never supported the CSE's simplistic belief of child support as
merely being money transferred from house a to house b. In fact I have
been quick to point out that the designation of a person as a "deadbeat"
or a "bad parent" for failing to meet another person's arbitrary
standards is hypocritical and absurd. But if you think the only real
alternative is to give the child support enforcement agency a whole
forest full of deadbeat posters by saying you will not pay anything, you
are playing right into their hands.
What I am advocating is far from just "child support". I am advocating
that we use the new media to our advantage. I am advocating that we
show what hard working parents with no intention of abandoning their
parents what they have to go through. And I am advocating changing the
laws where we can flex the muscle to do so. None of those things are
going to happen overnight, and in the meantime we are going to have to
live in the world that is.

In regard to your father owing tens of thousands, you stated "I've made my
peace with that". You further claimed "...I will not do that which was done
to me to my sons. ". Your position is not unlike saying "I don't mind you
stealing; I just object to the amount".