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She never gets enough money!
"Roger_N" wrote "Gini" wrote "Roger_N" wrote I pay for family health insurance to cover my kids and she gets the co-pays paid by public aid (she doesn't have to claim CS as income). == ?? There is a co-pay of $25 on doctor visits, $150 on ER visits, $10-$20 on prescription drugs. I have to pay these co-pays for my household. For her, the co-pays are paid by public aid or medical card or something. I got in trouble at work because she was having the pharmacy submit the bills to public aid instead of the insurance first. Public aid sent a letter to my work wanting the money, my employer paid it because the insurance refused to, I ended up having to pay ~$300 in co-pays for her illegal actions. I'm not sure if Public Aid medical or whatever counts CS, but most forms I've seen don't require you to submit CS as income. == I dunno. Seems like she would have to declare it as income. Too, if she's on public aid, how does she manage to get the CS rather than the state? Are you not in the US? == |
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She never gets enough money!
"Gini" wrote in message news:TnD8i.4066$WE4.677@trndny01... "Roger_N" wrote "Gini" wrote "Roger_N" wrote I pay for family health insurance to cover my kids and she gets the co-pays paid by public aid (she doesn't have to claim CS as income). == ?? There is a co-pay of $25 on doctor visits, $150 on ER visits, $10-$20 on prescription drugs. I have to pay these co-pays for my household. For her, the co-pays are paid by public aid or medical card or something. I got in trouble at work because she was having the pharmacy submit the bills to public aid instead of the insurance first. Public aid sent a letter to my work wanting the money, my employer paid it because the insurance refused to, I ended up having to pay ~$300 in co-pays for her illegal actions. I'm not sure if Public Aid medical or whatever counts CS, but most forms I've seen don't require you to submit CS as income. == I dunno. Seems like she would have to declare it as income. Too, if she's on public aid, how does she manage to get the CS rather than the state? Are you not in the US? == Lots of states have expanded, or are in the process of expanding, state Medical Aid Programs to cover more and more children. The doctors, on the other hand, are opting out of taking new patients who are on these plans. Welcome to Universal Healthcare. Because many children are now covered by both private and public medical aid programs the states are actively pursuing benefit recovery programs by forcing the private insurance to be the primary insurer and the state medical program to be the secondary insurer. My states Medical Recovery Program gets back over $5 million per year in error and fraud overpayments. What happened to Roger is not unusual. |
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She never gets enough money!
"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ... snip Because many children are now covered by both private and public medical aid programs the states are actively pursuing benefit recovery programs by forcing the private insurance to be the primary insurer and the state medical program to be the secondary insurer. My states Medical Recovery Program gets back over $5 million per year in error and fraud overpayments. What happened to Roger is not unusual. And while we're on the topic of Public Aid, here's some real winners I have gone through with the Illinois Department of Public Aid. Public Aid requires me to provide health insurance to the children through my employer if it is available. In court, it was decided that I could provide the insurance through my wife's family plan, since her insurance cost the same as mine but she had better insurance. IDPA took it upon themselves to send my employer a letter stating their requirement for me to provide insurance for the kids. This was a different employer and family health insurance only cost the employee ~30/month. I already had them insured through my wife's employer and my employer, it didn't change a thing but if it had been done at my previous employer, the whole family would have been stuck with worse insurance for the same money due to Public Aids BS. And then there was multiple times that IDPA incorrectly figured my CS and took me to court claiming I was behind. Their States Attorney figured out their mistake and I never did need to see the judge. The last time they did this, they didn't take me to court, the ordered extra deductions from my check for arrearage. I sent them proof from the recorders office that they made a mistake and that I was not behind on my CS payments. After almost a year, they sent my EX a letter that she owed me the money that they ordered to be taken out of my check. THEY (IDPA) determined that since THEY did not keep the money, that THEY were not at fault. IDPA gets to make all the careless mistakes they want, they are given the power to order employers to withhold arrearage payments, and they aren't even competent enough to figure CS. And they get to be their own judge and jury declaring themselves not responsible for the mistakes they make. Going back to right after my wife left me and got on Public Aid and Child Support. She got food stamps and Public Aid paid for her housing. She claimed she was too sick and couldn't handle the kids, so they lived with me. So, she was on Public Aid, received her CS payments, cash, food stamps, and housing from them, while all three of the kids lived with me. She went with her boyfriend to the Missippi river boats to gamble all while getting a free ride from IDPA. Then IDPA started on me again about CS and I told them that all three of the girls were living with me. Well, she wanted the girls back right away after that. But she never got in trouble or had to pay any of the money back for defrauding IDPA for 5 months. And yes, since I didn't get the court order changed, I had to pay CS for the 5 months that the girls lived with me. My entire CS experience has been pretty much hell and not because of the money, but because of the constant harrassment by Public Aid and her constantly wanting more money. Some people think if you just pay your support you'll be left alone, nothing could be further from the truth. |
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She never gets enough money!
"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ... "Gini" wrote in message news:TnD8i.4066$WE4.677@trndny01... "Roger_N" wrote "Gini" wrote "Roger_N" wrote I pay for family health insurance to cover my kids and she gets the co-pays paid by public aid (she doesn't have to claim CS as income). == ?? There is a co-pay of $25 on doctor visits, $150 on ER visits, $10-$20 on prescription drugs. I have to pay these co-pays for my household. For her, the co-pays are paid by public aid or medical card or something. I got in trouble at work because she was having the pharmacy submit the bills to public aid instead of the insurance first. Public aid sent a letter to my work wanting the money, my employer paid it because the insurance refused to, I ended up having to pay ~$300 in co-pays for her illegal actions. I'm not sure if Public Aid medical or whatever counts CS, but most forms I've seen don't require you to submit CS as income. == I dunno. Seems like she would have to declare it as income. Too, if she's on public aid, how does she manage to get the CS rather than the state? Are you not in the US? == Lots of states have expanded, or are in the process of expanding, state Medical Aid Programs to cover more and more children. The doctors, on the other hand, are opting out of taking new patients who are on these plans. Welcome to Universal Healthcare. Because many children are now covered by both private and public medical aid programs the states are actively pursuing benefit recovery programs by forcing the private insurance to be the primary insurer and the state medical program to be the secondary insurer. My states Medical Recovery Program gets back over $5 million per year in error and fraud overpayments. What happened to Roger is not unusual. == Hmmm...PA now has universal children's health coverage regardless of income. Apparently that medical care doesn't factor in to CS. OK, I get it. |
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She never gets enough money!
On Jun 2, 2:26?pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote:
"Relayer" wrote in message ups.com... On Jun 2, 12:32?pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote: "Roger_N" wrote in message ... My child support has been raised as my income has raised, my ex now gets over 310% more than she did when she left me. She's always calling me or my mother wanting more money for school supplies, clothes, car repair, car insurance, etc.. She gets 32% of my income tax free and last year claimed all 3 daughters as her dependants (after verbaly stating in court that I could claim one). She bought herself a sport car and my daughters have to work while in high school so they can pay their own way. And now she's calling me again wanting money to get my daughters car fixed. My employer has cut wages and benefits. I spent 3 months in the Hospital and she still got all her child support. I have diabetes and the co-pays on doctor visits, insulin, syringes, test strips, needles, etc. have me tight on money. I pay for family health insurance to cover my kids and she gets the co-pays paid by public aid (she doesn't have to claim CS as income). Anyway I'm tired of it, I wrote her a letter telling her if she needed money to work for it like I have to and stop trying to mooch it off of others. I invited her to take me back to court if she wants more money but told her I would ask the judge to consider the situation, and the CS might even be lowered. You are not the first NCP father to hear this kind of "poor me" story from a CP. I would make sure your mother, your children, and your ex get the following message from you: CS is based on what intact families report as their actual spending on children expenditures. Therefore, CS awards assume one parent has the children 100% of the time. Remind her she has an obligation to support the children too. When you add your share and her share together there is $xxx per month to support the children. It's up to her to budget the available money correctly.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That is not true. Some states (mine for example) have absolutely NO provision or requirement that a CP has ANY kind of obligation to support the children. None. So it depends on his state. There are legal differences between "duty of support for minor children" and how CS is calculated. My guess is your state will have a duty of support law. One of the flaws in the percentage of income state CS calculation methodology is that method only considers the obligor's income. The calculation methodology gives the impression CP's are not required to support their children. But that does not change the CP's obligation to provide their share of the duty of support. The 1984-87 National Child Support Guidelines Project advisory panel did not approve the percentage of obligor CS methodology because it does not state a specific CS obligation amount for the CP. Several states had legal challenges to the percent of income method and the court's ruled the states can use a percentage to calculate a CS award, but the award must be stated in fixed dollars, not a percent of income that caused the awards to fluctuate based on income from commissions, pay increases, and other reasons for income variables.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A duty of support is not a court support order. There is no provision, penalty or punishment for a CP's failure to provide any kind of support. None. EVERYONE has a "duty" to support their kids. And that is where it ends. There is no such thing as 50/50 custody, only CP or NCP. A CP's income is in no way used to determine CS. |
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She never gets enough money!
"Gini" wrote in message news:i4F8i.640$NZ4.558@trndny04... "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ... "Gini" wrote in message news:TnD8i.4066$WE4.677@trndny01... "Roger_N" wrote "Gini" wrote "Roger_N" wrote I pay for family health insurance to cover my kids and she gets the co-pays paid by public aid (she doesn't have to claim CS as income). == ?? There is a co-pay of $25 on doctor visits, $150 on ER visits, $10-$20 on prescription drugs. I have to pay these co-pays for my household. For her, the co-pays are paid by public aid or medical card or something. I got in trouble at work because she was having the pharmacy submit the bills to public aid instead of the insurance first. Public aid sent a letter to my work wanting the money, my employer paid it because the insurance refused to, I ended up having to pay ~$300 in co-pays for her illegal actions. I'm not sure if Public Aid medical or whatever counts CS, but most forms I've seen don't require you to submit CS as income. == I dunno. Seems like she would have to declare it as income. Too, if she's on public aid, how does she manage to get the CS rather than the state? Are you not in the US? == Lots of states have expanded, or are in the process of expanding, state Medical Aid Programs to cover more and more children. The doctors, on the other hand, are opting out of taking new patients who are on these plans. Welcome to Universal Healthcare. Because many children are now covered by both private and public medical aid programs the states are actively pursuing benefit recovery programs by forcing the private insurance to be the primary insurer and the state medical program to be the secondary insurer. My states Medical Recovery Program gets back over $5 million per year in error and fraud overpayments. What happened to Roger is not unusual. == Hmmm...PA now has universal children's health coverage regardless of income. Apparently that medical care doesn't factor in to CS. OK, I get it. Child support and medical support are two separate categories of IV-D services. Although they are handled simultaneously in CS modification proceedings, they are technically separate. An issue I have never heard discussed in the states' plans to expand state run healthcare programs for children is fundamental to parenting decisions. When a person is placed on the state healthcare system they are required to assign their medical support rights over to the state. That means CP's are required to cooperate with the state for obtaining medical support. That includes assisting the state in identifying potentially liable medical resources other than the state medical program. I think cases like Roger's are just the start of states requiring all children to be on state healthcare programs plus be covered by any private insurance that might be available. The states are using the "for the children" mantra for healthcare to dictate what healthcare coverage must be carried for all children. |
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She never gets enough money!
On Jun 3, 5:49?pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote:
"Gini" wrote in message news:i4F8i.640$NZ4.558@trndny04... "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ... "Gini" wrote in message news:TnD8i.4066$WE4.677@trndny01... "Roger_N" wrote "Gini" wrote "Roger_N" wrote I pay for family health insurance to cover my kids and she gets the co-pays paid by public aid (she doesn't have to claim CS as income). == ?? There is a co-pay of $25 on doctor visits, $150 on ER visits, $10-$20 on prescription drugs. I have to pay these co-pays for my household. For her, the co-pays are paid by public aid or medical card or something. I got in trouble at work because she was having the pharmacy submit the bills to public aid instead of the insurance first. Public aid sent a letter to my work wanting the money, my employer paid it because the insurance refused to, I ended up having to pay ~$300 in co-pays for her illegal actions. I'm not sure if Public Aid medical or whatever counts CS, but most forms I've seen don't require you to submit CS as income. == I dunno. Seems like she would have to declare it as income. Too, if she's on public aid, how does she manage to get the CS rather than the state? Are you not in the US? == Lots of states have expanded, or are in the process of expanding, state Medical Aid Programs to cover more and more children. The doctors, on the other hand, are opting out of taking new patients who are on these plans. Welcome to Universal Healthcare. Because many children are now covered by both private and public medical aid programs the states are actively pursuing benefit recovery programs by forcing the private insurance to be the primary insurer and the state medical program to be the secondary insurer. My states Medical Recovery Program gets back over $5 million per year in error and fraud overpayments. What happened to Roger is not unusual. == Hmmm...PA now has universal children's health coverage regardless of income. Apparently that medical care doesn't factor in to CS. OK, I get it. Child support and medical support are two separate categories of IV-D services. Although they are handled simultaneously in CS modification proceedings, they are technically separate. An issue I have never heard discussed in the states' plans to expand state run healthcare programs for children is fundamental to parenting decisions. When a person is placed on the state healthcare system they are required to assign their medical support rights over to the state. That means CP's are required to cooperate with the state for obtaining medical support. That includes assisting the state in identifying potentially liable medical resources other than the state medical program. I think cases like Roger's are just the start of states requiring all children to be on state healthcare programs plus be covered by any private insurance that might be available. The states are using the "for the children" mantra for healthcare to dictate what healthcare coverage must be carried for all children.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My state has a healthcare program for kids. Its actually pretty good. |
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She never gets enough money!
"Relayer" wrote in message ups.com... On Jun 2, 2:26?pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote: "Relayer" wrote in message ups.com... On Jun 2, 12:32?pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote: "Roger_N" wrote in message ... My child support has been raised as my income has raised, my ex now gets over 310% more than she did when she left me. She's always calling me or my mother wanting more money for school supplies, clothes, car repair, car insurance, etc.. She gets 32% of my income tax free and last year claimed all 3 daughters as her dependants (after verbaly stating in court that I could claim one). She bought herself a sport car and my daughters have to work while in high school so they can pay their own way. And now she's calling me again wanting money to get my daughters car fixed. My employer has cut wages and benefits. I spent 3 months in the Hospital and she still got all her child support. I have diabetes and the co-pays on doctor visits, insulin, syringes, test strips, needles, etc. have me tight on money. I pay for family health insurance to cover my kids and she gets the co-pays paid by public aid (she doesn't have to claim CS as income). Anyway I'm tired of it, I wrote her a letter telling her if she needed money to work for it like I have to and stop trying to mooch it off of others. I invited her to take me back to court if she wants more money but told her I would ask the judge to consider the situation, and the CS might even be lowered. You are not the first NCP father to hear this kind of "poor me" story from a CP. I would make sure your mother, your children, and your ex get the following message from you: CS is based on what intact families report as their actual spending on children expenditures. Therefore, CS awards assume one parent has the children 100% of the time. Remind her she has an obligation to support the children too. When you add your share and her share together there is $xxx per month to support the children. It's up to her to budget the available money correctly.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That is not true. Some states (mine for example) have absolutely NO provision or requirement that a CP has ANY kind of obligation to support the children. None. So it depends on his state. There are legal differences between "duty of support for minor children" and how CS is calculated. My guess is your state will have a duty of support law. One of the flaws in the percentage of income state CS calculation methodology is that method only considers the obligor's income. The calculation methodology gives the impression CP's are not required to support their children. But that does not change the CP's obligation to provide their share of the duty of support. The 1984-87 National Child Support Guidelines Project advisory panel did not approve the percentage of obligor CS methodology because it does not state a specific CS obligation amount for the CP. Several states had legal challenges to the percent of income method and the court's ruled the states can use a percentage to calculate a CS award, but the award must be stated in fixed dollars, not a percent of income that caused the awards to fluctuate based on income from commissions, pay increases, and other reasons for income variables.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A duty of support is not a court support order. There is no provision, penalty or punishment for a CP's failure to provide any kind of support. None. EVERYONE has a "duty" to support their kids. And that is where it ends. There is no such thing as 50/50 custody, only CP or NCP. A CP's income is in no way used to determine CS. In some states it is. It just depends on what method each state uses. |
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"Relayer" wrote in message oups.com... On Jun 3, 5:49?pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote: "Gini" wrote in message news:i4F8i.640$NZ4.558@trndny04... "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ... "Gini" wrote in message news:TnD8i.4066$WE4.677@trndny01... "Roger_N" wrote "Gini" wrote "Roger_N" wrote I pay for family health insurance to cover my kids and she gets the co-pays paid by public aid (she doesn't have to claim CS as income). == ?? There is a co-pay of $25 on doctor visits, $150 on ER visits, $10-$20 on prescription drugs. I have to pay these co-pays for my household. For her, the co-pays are paid by public aid or medical card or something. I got in trouble at work because she was having the pharmacy submit the bills to public aid instead of the insurance first. Public aid sent a letter to my work wanting the money, my employer paid it because the insurance refused to, I ended up having to pay ~$300 in co-pays for her illegal actions. I'm not sure if Public Aid medical or whatever counts CS, but most forms I've seen don't require you to submit CS as income. == I dunno. Seems like she would have to declare it as income. Too, if she's on public aid, how does she manage to get the CS rather than the state? Are you not in the US? == Lots of states have expanded, or are in the process of expanding, state Medical Aid Programs to cover more and more children. The doctors, on the other hand, are opting out of taking new patients who are on these plans. Welcome to Universal Healthcare. Because many children are now covered by both private and public medical aid programs the states are actively pursuing benefit recovery programs by forcing the private insurance to be the primary insurer and the state medical program to be the secondary insurer. My states Medical Recovery Program gets back over $5 million per year in error and fraud overpayments. What happened to Roger is not unusual. == Hmmm...PA now has universal children's health coverage regardless of income. Apparently that medical care doesn't factor in to CS. OK, I get it. Child support and medical support are two separate categories of IV-D services. Although they are handled simultaneously in CS modification proceedings, they are technically separate. An issue I have never heard discussed in the states' plans to expand state run healthcare programs for children is fundamental to parenting decisions. When a person is placed on the state healthcare system they are required to assign their medical support rights over to the state. That means CP's are required to cooperate with the state for obtaining medical support. That includes assisting the state in identifying potentially liable medical resources other than the state medical program. I think cases like Roger's are just the start of states requiring all children to be on state healthcare programs plus be covered by any private insurance that might be available. The states are using the "for the children" mantra for healthcare to dictate what healthcare coverage must be carried for all children.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My state has a healthcare program for kids. Its actually pretty good. How do they pay for it? My state can't get the necessary 3/5 super majority to pass the tax increase to fund the children's healthcare program in the legislature, so they are referring it to the voters as a Constitutional amendment requiring a simple majority to pass. Guess where the money will come from? An 84.5 cent increase in cigarette taxes per pack. I don't smoke, but if I did I'd buy my cigarettes from the Indian reservation folks just to avoid paying for this monster tax. Why not just charge the people who use the healthcare program a few bucks per week to fund the health coverage instead of asking a bunch of smokers to pay the bill? They could have used the money from the tobacco settlement to fund this plan, but they used that money to build a light rail system that gets very low ridership and an even lower number of paying riders. And don't get me started on our new aerial tram which cost 4 times the original cost estimate. The politicians actually believe people will come to my area and pay $4 just to see the view from the tram. You can drive to the top of the hill to see the same view for free! |
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