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Man shoots at noisy teenagers, killing one
"Scott in Aztlán" wrote in message ... : On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:58:33 GMT, "Anon" wrote: : : Uh-Oh . . . I can see it coming now. This will be counted as a speeding : related death. : : I'm amazed the report did not indicate whether the driver was wearing his OR whether they were wearing helmets. -- ColoradoSkiBum |
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Man shoots at noisy teenagers, killing one
Cathy Weeks wrote:
AlexT wrote in message ... I'd say that boy lost his life due to the actions of a 44 year old adult who was so angry about something, that he did not stop and think before taking action. Had he paused a moment before pulling the trigger, he might have thought "what I'm about to do could end someone's life, **** I better not do it, I'll call the cops, or get their rego number instead". What planet are you living on? I'm not saying that he should have killed the kid, or used his gun, but calling the cops or "asking" nicely often backfires when the ones who got their rists slapped by the cops escalate, and start doing it at 3am, and running before the cops can get there. We don't know the whole story. Maybe this had been going on for months, at all hours of the day, and they were doing it to torment him. So you're saying that shooting at the car was the only other rational, smart and reasonable action for a 44 year old adult to take? Due to the possibility that him calling the cops or asking the kids nicely to rack off could have backfired on him? Didn't the original article say that the drivers of the vehicle were his sons friends? In that case, why didn't he call the friends parents rather than shoot at the car? Why didn't he put up with it for one more night and pay them a visit in the morning to let out his rage via his mouth? If it had been going on for months as you suggest, why not press charges against them for harassment, why not take restraining orders out? Or if he was determined to use his gun, why didn't he wait until morning, go to his sons mates place, and shoot out the tires without anyone in the car, thus reducing the possibility of killing someone and ruining the rest of his own life? If notifying the authorities, or the parents, or anything else was not possible, then in my opinion nothing would have been possible, using his gun in this situation should have been out of the question. Unless of course his life was under direct threat from their actions by them driving the car straight at him, but as I understand it, he shot at the car from the side simply because he was angry. The cause of the death was not "speeding", it was yet another irrational person using and abusing their right to own a gun in the US. And you are another irrational person who uses a tragedy like this to take away the right to own a gun. Guns kill far less kids per year than many, many other means, and I don't see many crusades against those means. I live in Australia, it is extremely hard to get a gun here, and almost nobody bothers. In fact, I have never seen a place that sells guns or ammunition, or know of one here. Not one person I know keeps a gun in their house. In 2001 over 11,000 people were killed by handguns in the US. In 2001, 65 people were killed with handguns in Australia. Big difference don't you think? I was not saying that the right to own a gun in the US should be taken away. I do however think that it should be severely tightened. It is far too easy to get a gun in the US, and many people who perhaps are not mentally fit enough to make rational decisions, have the right to own an extremely lethal weapon. This bloke made a rash decision whilst holding a gun. Before *anyone* should be allowed to own a gun anywhere in the world, it should be hammered into them via classes or courses, that rash decisions are never to be made whilst holding a handgun. Cathy Weeks Mommy to Kivi Alexis 12/01 Regards, Alex. |
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Man shoots at noisy teenagers, killing one
Respect might be, but common courtesy and consideration is another
issue. I expect my children to be courteous to everyone, and to realize they're not the only people in the world, who matter. I totally agree. I am sick of teens and their smart mouths. They are disrespectful. I worked as a teachers aid years ago----I could not believe the way the teenagers talked to the teachers. It made me sick. There might be some respectful teens out there, but I have yet to see more than a handful. No crime, but it's rude and inconsiderate. Frankly, I'm tired of people chanting "kids will be kids" when the kids are being inconsiderate. Once again, I agree. Why are the parents yelling at the kids in the first place? What comes first.. the chicken or the egg? I bet those kids had been bothering this man for quite some time. I find it hard to believe this was a one time incident. I am not saying what the man did was right--it was terribly wrong and he should be punished to the fullest extent.. I guess some people think that because kids are kids, they have the right to be rude and disrespectful. I am sick of it. |
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Man shoots at noisy teenagers, killing one
: Didn't the original article say that the drivers of the vehicle were his
: sons friends? In that case, why didn't he call the friends parents : rather than shoot at the car? That's what I said! Except that I wouldn't have put up with it for one more night and waited until morning, I would have gone over to the friend's parents' house *right away*, after first videotaping the incident taking place in the street. -- ColoradoSkiBum |
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Man shoots at noisy teenagers, killing one
ColoradoSkiBum wrote:
: Didn't the original article say that the drivers of the vehicle were his : sons friends? In that case, why didn't he call the friends parents : rather than shoot at the car? That's what I said! Except that I wouldn't have put up with it for one more night and waited until morning, I would have gone over to the friend's parents' house *right away*, after first videotaping the incident taking place in the street. Ahh that would've been the smart thing to do! Once it's on video, there's no denying it. He could've then taken it to the parents, or the cops, and the whole thing would be over by now. The kid will be alive yet grounded in his room with his car keys locked away by his parents, and the 44 year old bloke could be enjoying a cup of coffee, looking out his living room window at his once again peaceful street... Instead the kid is dead, the only thing the kids parents want locked away is the man who killed their son, and his once peaceful street is now the scene of a murder investigation. |
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Man shoots at noisy teenagers, killing one
On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:38:20 -0700, "ColoradoSkiBum"
: Didn't the original article say that the drivers of the vehicle were his : sons friends? In that case, why didn't he call the friends parents : rather than shoot at the car? That's what I said! Except that I wouldn't have put up with it for one more night and waited until morning, I would have gone over to the friend's parents' house *right away*, after first videotaping the incident taking place in the street. How do you know he didn't try that last week? Just playing devil's advocate - I doubt he did. |
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Man shoots at noisy teenagers, killing one
On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 16:01:04 +1100, AlexT wrote:
ColoradoSkiBum wrote: : Didn't the original article say that the drivers of the vehicle were his : sons friends? In that case, why didn't he call the friends parents : rather than shoot at the car? That's what I said! Except that I wouldn't have put up with it for one more night and waited until morning, I would have gone over to the friend's parents' house *right away*, after first videotaping the incident taking place in the street. Ahh that would've been the smart thing to do! Once it's on video, there's no denying it. He could've then taken it to the parents, or the cops, and the whole thing would be over by now. The kid will be alive yet grounded in his room with his car keys locked away by his parents, The kid didn't have a license, nor did he own the car. It kinda helps to get the facts before making judgements about what could have happened or might have happened had the man acted differently. That AP article didn't have many facts. A few more are in evidence in other papers, but we still haven't a clue about what really happened. http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/new...on/7375773.htm Beck's aunt, Teresa Ledford of Shelby, said Beck had gone to the Casar area around 7 p.m. Friday with her son, Doug Morrison, 24, to visit a friend. She said Beck didn't tell his mother where he was going, but said he'd be back that evening. At the friend's house, Beck, who didn't have a driver's license, asked Morrison for the keys to his car "so he could go out and listen to the radio," Ledford said. When Beck got the keys, she said, he left with two boys who were brothers and that they "let the car roll out the drive and left." "He (Beck) went down the road about a block, the music was maybe loud, him being a teenager, and he was maybe spinning the tires," Ledford said. and the 44 year old bloke could be enjoying a cup of coffee, looking out his living room window at his once again peaceful street... Another fact for those who think the guy was pushed into doing this by many incidents of teenagers drag racing on his street from the URL above. "Mecca Drive is in a sparsely populated farming section of the South Mountains near the Rutherford County line where crime is relatively rare, Steen said. Mecca Drive winds over a hill and isn't known for cruising, drag racing or other teenage high jinks." Instead the kid is dead, the only thing the kids parents want locked away is the man who killed their son, and his once peaceful street is now the scene of a murder investigation. -- Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. The Outer Limits |
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Man shoots at noisy teenagers, killing one
Al Lewis wrote:
How do you know he didn't try that last week? Just playing devil's advocate - I doubt he did. Even if he had tried it, would that justify shooting at the car? |
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Man shoots at noisy teenagers, killing one
Are
you excusing his actions based on the bad behavior of *some* teenagers? No, absolutely not. Adults are rude to children quite frequently. Since adults are not teaching by example, I expect that the kids have learned what they lived. This is true. I am just going by experience. We had a basketball hoop outside our last house. The master bedroom was in the front of the house. There were many times that a bunch of teenagers would be out there till 10pm bouncing the ball, swearing, and being extremely loud. I would politely ask them to please be more quiet, or to stop playing for the night( seeing as how it was 10pm). My baby slept in our room, my husband gets up very early for work..etc. They, *every* time, answered back to me rude. They told me it was a free country... that I didn't own the hoop or the street.. etc. I would just walk back in the house and wait for them to finally go to bed. Then, one night my husband got tired of our baby being woke up, and hearing them swear right and left. He went outside and sternly asked them to leave and come back at a decent hour. They laughed at him and just kept playing. Another example.... we owned a condo years ago and we had a buzzer system to get thru a security door. There were some teens that lived in the building over. They would run around buzzing people's doors and when you went to answer the buzz, they would run or shout something rude into the intercom. We never saw who it was because we were on the second floor. I know that adults do inconsiderate acts, too. I am just basing my opinion on past experiences and although I know that not all teens are disrespectful, many are. I know of many very good parents who raised their kids to be kind to their elders, respectful..etc, and later to say they don't know why their child is soo disrespectful. It's not always how they were raised. I *do* see your point , though. Like I said, there was no excuse for what that man did. A life was taken, and it wasn't his right to take it. |
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