The root of all evil

In article , Deserted Dad says...

witchwirsen wrote:
Wow, I didn't even know that Google had message boards, just stumbled
upon this accidentally the other night.
rest of ignorant flamebait bulls**t snipped

This post has to be a joke....has to be. Nobody is this clueless.
====
Except....Pammie.
====
====

Lady, if by some chance you are real and not a troll, you seriously need
to bend over and kiss your own ass, because you sure as hell aren't even
worthy enough to kiss mine.

---
The Deserted Dad

In article , Deserted Dad says...

witchwirsen wrote:
Wow, I didn't even know that Google had message boards, just stumbled
upon this accidentally the other night.
rest of ignorant flamebait bulls**t snipped

This post has to be a joke....has to be. Nobody is this clueless.
====
Except....Pammie.
====
====

Lady, if by some chance you are real and not a troll, you seriously need
to bend over and kiss your own ass, because you sure as hell aren't even
worthy enough to kiss mine.

---
The Deserted Dad

In article , Deserted Dad says...

witchwirsen wrote:
Wow, I didn't even know that Google had message boards, just stumbled
upon this accidentally the other night.
rest of ignorant flamebait bulls**t snipped

This post has to be a joke....has to be. Nobody is this clueless.
====
Except....Pammie.
====
====

Lady, if by some chance you are real and not a troll, you seriously need
to bend over and kiss your own ass, because you sure as hell aren't even
worthy enough to kiss mine.

---
The Deserted Dad

"witchwirsen" wrote in message
m...
I, myself, raised two children as well. I left thier father when they
were infants. I never even filed for child support. Neither did I
ever receive child support. The father who so wanted those children
never offered it either.
-----------------
Okay so that guy got lucky that you are a strong woman who doesn't play the
victim and doesn't feel entitled to welfare.
--------------
I don't see any gray area in this issue. It takes two cells to create
a child. One must come from a male source, one from a female source.
If a woman does not want children she will generally use some form of
birth control. I have never known of a woman relying on a man to
prevent a pregnancy.
----------------
So all the women who claim to have 'accidently' gotten pregnant are full of
crap because if they didn't want to get pg they would have used birth
control. Actually I knew that already.
----------------
If a man wishes to avoid creating a life he
simply trusts that the female has taken measures to prevent pregnancy
and goes about things in the usual way. I would be more convinced
that a man was serious about not wanting children were he to subject
himself to vasectomy, use condoms, etc

(yes, there is a male 'pill'
now on the market)
------------
Where?! Show me where they are actually marketing male bc pills in the USA.
------------
.. In extreme cases, when a man is very very certain
that he can reproduce and wishes not to he will refrain from having
intercourse altogether. I've dated responsible men who did exactly
that and I respect them greatly.
There still stands the issue of accidental pregnancy that is unwanted
by either one or both of the parents.
Of course, a man could never be expected to understand the need of a
woman to raise a child that resided in her body for almost a full
year, and I wouldn't expect them to and in those cases I say if the
father does not want to care for the child, the best thing you can do
as a woman for your child is simply ask for the father to relinquish
his rights and raise the child on your own.
-----------------
Oh the courts will let a man 'relenquish' his rights but they will still
make him pay child support.
----------
If your main concern is
caring for a child you love then do not subject that child to
interaction with a father that will only make him/her feel unwanted
and unloved.
If you are a father who was in a relationship that produced children
and then decided when the relationship was over that you no longer
cared for the child/children then I say tough ****. You can't be a
parent one day and then decide the next day that you don't want to be
a parent.
In both cases you are dealing with a life. A life that you created, a
life that you are responsible for. If one parent is too selfish, too
stingy, too childish, too assinine to care for the child then you can
take it upon yourself to be the adult in the situation and do the
right thing. It won't hurt, I promise. And the less you cry and
whine about it the better of a human being you will be. Honest injun.
Then there are the people who feel they are being taken to the
cleaners when it woud never really cost what you are paying in support
to care for a child. To those people I sat this...some of you are
being railroaded. Some of you are simply selfish *******s. If you
make $120k per year, and you pay even $20k of that to child support
you are providing for your child.
-------------
HA! Try 50 to 65% of a mans NET income!!
If the mother doesn't use the money
for what is intended I suggest you take some of that $100k you have
left and hire an attorney to petition the courts to grant your child a
guaridian to disperse those funds for your childs needs appropriately.
-------------
Oh rriiigghhht! That'll work. NOT. A woman does NOT have to spend a dime
of cs on the child.
-------------
If that doesn't turn some heads then get a lower paying job until your
child reaches maturity. It would just mean that much less 'extra' for
your ex to spend.
-------------
What planet are you from??!! A man CAN'T get a lower paying job in order to
reduce cs. Hell a man can't even get his cs lowered if he loses his job
through no fault of his own.
------------
Lastly, I would like to say this...grow up. You can't live the rest
of your lives being little kids who can't tell the difference between
right and wrong. Temper tantrums get you nowhere. Bitching like a
girl on a message board get you nothing. Consider what is the right
thing to do, then get off your ass and do it. Take into account that
you are responsible for your own actions, whether that be not paying
our court ordered child support, or negligently reproducing a child
that you don't care for. Then, after you take those factors into
account, do what you have to do, there are many more ways that you
could be 'paying' for the things that you have done...personally I
believe that putting out cash for a few years is the least devastating
way to pay.
--------------
Well most of the men here have no problem supporting their children. What
they do have a problem with are some of the things I mentioned above. Child
support has absolutely NOTHING to do with raising children. The government
could care less if it actually gets spent on the kids. They only care that
the $$ passes through the system so that the states can get huge sums of $$
from the federal government. See you've fallen for the line that cs is 'for
the children' which it's not, never was.

Oh and I like to read about the woes of irresponsible women who haphazardly
let any men they find appealing leave their reproductive cells in their
receptacle. And then when the appeal wears off they whine about having to
provide support to the life they created. But wait! Women have more
choices than that! Once the appeal wears off they can 1) go to planned
parenthood and get the morning after pill 2) go to planned parenthood and
get RU486 3) get an abortion 4) give birth and give it up for adoption 5)
give birth, play mommy for a couple days and drop the kid off at a hospital
or firestation.

Mens choice ends at having to provide support to moomy for the next 18+
years.

~AZ~

"witchwirsen" wrote in message
m...
I, myself, raised two children as well. I left thier father when they
were infants. I never even filed for child support. Neither did I
ever receive child support. The father who so wanted those children
never offered it either.
-----------------
Okay so that guy got lucky that you are a strong woman who doesn't play the
victim and doesn't feel entitled to welfare.
--------------
I don't see any gray area in this issue. It takes two cells to create
a child. One must come from a male source, one from a female source.
If a woman does not want children she will generally use some form of
birth control. I have never known of a woman relying on a man to
prevent a pregnancy.
----------------
So all the women who claim to have 'accidently' gotten pregnant are full of
crap because if they didn't want to get pg they would have used birth
control. Actually I knew that already.
----------------
If a man wishes to avoid creating a life he
simply trusts that the female has taken measures to prevent pregnancy
and goes about things in the usual way. I would be more convinced
that a man was serious about not wanting children were he to subject
himself to vasectomy, use condoms, etc

(yes, there is a male 'pill'
now on the market)
------------
Where?! Show me where they are actually marketing male bc pills in the USA.
------------
.. In extreme cases, when a man is very very certain
that he can reproduce and wishes not to he will refrain from having
intercourse altogether. I've dated responsible men who did exactly
that and I respect them greatly.
There still stands the issue of accidental pregnancy that is unwanted
by either one or both of the parents.
Of course, a man could never be expected to understand the need of a
woman to raise a child that resided in her body for almost a full
year, and I wouldn't expect them to and in those cases I say if the
father does not want to care for the child, the best thing you can do
as a woman for your child is simply ask for the father to relinquish
his rights and raise the child on your own.
-----------------
Oh the courts will let a man 'relenquish' his rights but they will still
make him pay child support.
----------
If your main concern is
caring for a child you love then do not subject that child to
interaction with a father that will only make him/her feel unwanted
and unloved.
If you are a father who was in a relationship that produced children
and then decided when the relationship was over that you no longer
cared for the child/children then I say tough ****. You can't be a
parent one day and then decide the next day that you don't want to be
a parent.
In both cases you are dealing with a life. A life that you created, a
life that you are responsible for. If one parent is too selfish, too
stingy, too childish, too assinine to care for the child then you can
take it upon yourself to be the adult in the situation and do the
right thing. It won't hurt, I promise. And the less you cry and
whine about it the better of a human being you will be. Honest injun.
Then there are the people who feel they are being taken to the
cleaners when it woud never really cost what you are paying in support
to care for a child. To those people I sat this...some of you are
being railroaded. Some of you are simply selfish *******s. If you
make $120k per year, and you pay even $20k of that to child support
you are providing for your child.
-------------
HA! Try 50 to 65% of a mans NET income!!
If the mother doesn't use the money
for what is intended I suggest you take some of that $100k you have
left and hire an attorney to petition the courts to grant your child a
guaridian to disperse those funds for your childs needs appropriately.
-------------
Oh rriiigghhht! That'll work. NOT. A woman does NOT have to spend a dime
of cs on the child.
-------------
If that doesn't turn some heads then get a lower paying job until your
child reaches maturity. It would just mean that much less 'extra' for
your ex to spend.
-------------
What planet are you from??!! A man CAN'T get a lower paying job in order to
reduce cs. Hell a man can't even get his cs lowered if he loses his job
through no fault of his own.
------------
Lastly, I would like to say this...grow up. You can't live the rest
of your lives being little kids who can't tell the difference between
right and wrong. Temper tantrums get you nowhere. Bitching like a
girl on a message board get you nothing. Consider what is the right
thing to do, then get off your ass and do it. Take into account that
you are responsible for your own actions, whether that be not paying
our court ordered child support, or negligently reproducing a child
that you don't care for. Then, after you take those factors into
account, do what you have to do, there are many more ways that you
could be 'paying' for the things that you have done...personally I
believe that putting out cash for a few years is the least devastating
way to pay.
--------------
Well most of the men here have no problem supporting their children. What
they do have a problem with are some of the things I mentioned above. Child
support has absolutely NOTHING to do with raising children. The government
could care less if it actually gets spent on the kids. They only care that
the $$ passes through the system so that the states can get huge sums of $$
from the federal government. See you've fallen for the line that cs is 'for
the children' which it's not, never was.

Oh and I like to read about the woes of irresponsible women who haphazardly
let any men they find appealing leave their reproductive cells in their
receptacle. And then when the appeal wears off they whine about having to
provide support to the life they created. But wait! Women have more
choices than that! Once the appeal wears off they can 1) go to planned
parenthood and get the morning after pill 2) go to planned parenthood and
get RU486 3) get an abortion 4) give birth and give it up for adoption 5)
give birth, play mommy for a couple days and drop the kid off at a hospital
or firestation.

Mens choice ends at having to provide support to moomy for the next 18+
years.

~AZ~

"witchwirsen" wrote in message
m...
I, myself, raised two children as well. I left thier father when they
were infants. I never even filed for child support. Neither did I
ever receive child support. The father who so wanted those children
never offered it either.
-----------------
Okay so that guy got lucky that you are a strong woman who doesn't play the
victim and doesn't feel entitled to welfare.
--------------
I don't see any gray area in this issue. It takes two cells to create
a child. One must come from a male source, one from a female source.
If a woman does not want children she will generally use some form of
birth control. I have never known of a woman relying on a man to
prevent a pregnancy.
----------------
So all the women who claim to have 'accidently' gotten pregnant are full of
crap because if they didn't want to get pg they would have used birth
control. Actually I knew that already.
----------------
If a man wishes to avoid creating a life he
simply trusts that the female has taken measures to prevent pregnancy
and goes about things in the usual way. I would be more convinced
that a man was serious about not wanting children were he to subject
himself to vasectomy, use condoms, etc

(yes, there is a male 'pill'
now on the market)
------------
Where?! Show me where they are actually marketing male bc pills in the USA.
------------
.. In extreme cases, when a man is very very certain
that he can reproduce and wishes not to he will refrain from having
intercourse altogether. I've dated responsible men who did exactly
that and I respect them greatly.
There still stands the issue of accidental pregnancy that is unwanted
by either one or both of the parents.
Of course, a man could never be expected to understand the need of a
woman to raise a child that resided in her body for almost a full
year, and I wouldn't expect them to and in those cases I say if the
father does not want to care for the child, the best thing you can do
as a woman for your child is simply ask for the father to relinquish
his rights and raise the child on your own.
-----------------
Oh the courts will let a man 'relenquish' his rights but they will still
make him pay child support.
----------
If your main concern is
caring for a child you love then do not subject that child to
interaction with a father that will only make him/her feel unwanted
and unloved.
If you are a father who was in a relationship that produced children
and then decided when the relationship was over that you no longer
cared for the child/children then I say tough ****. You can't be a
parent one day and then decide the next day that you don't want to be
a parent.
In both cases you are dealing with a life. A life that you created, a
life that you are responsible for. If one parent is too selfish, too
stingy, too childish, too assinine to care for the child then you can
take it upon yourself to be the adult in the situation and do the
right thing. It won't hurt, I promise. And the less you cry and
whine about it the better of a human being you will be. Honest injun.
Then there are the people who feel they are being taken to the
cleaners when it woud never really cost what you are paying in support
to care for a child. To those people I sat this...some of you are
being railroaded. Some of you are simply selfish *******s. If you
make $120k per year, and you pay even $20k of that to child support
you are providing for your child.
-------------
HA! Try 50 to 65% of a mans NET income!!
If the mother doesn't use the money
for what is intended I suggest you take some of that $100k you have
left and hire an attorney to petition the courts to grant your child a
guaridian to disperse those funds for your childs needs appropriately.
-------------
Oh rriiigghhht! That'll work. NOT. A woman does NOT have to spend a dime
of cs on the child.
-------------
If that doesn't turn some heads then get a lower paying job until your
child reaches maturity. It would just mean that much less 'extra' for
your ex to spend.
-------------
What planet are you from??!! A man CAN'T get a lower paying job in order to
reduce cs. Hell a man can't even get his cs lowered if he loses his job
through no fault of his own.
------------
Lastly, I would like to say this...grow up. You can't live the rest
of your lives being little kids who can't tell the difference between
right and wrong. Temper tantrums get you nowhere. Bitching like a
girl on a message board get you nothing. Consider what is the right
thing to do, then get off your ass and do it. Take into account that
you are responsible for your own actions, whether that be not paying
our court ordered child support, or negligently reproducing a child
that you don't care for. Then, after you take those factors into
account, do what you have to do, there are many more ways that you
could be 'paying' for the things that you have done...personally I
believe that putting out cash for a few years is the least devastating
way to pay.
--------------
Well most of the men here have no problem supporting their children. What
they do have a problem with are some of the things I mentioned above. Child
support has absolutely NOTHING to do with raising children. The government
could care less if it actually gets spent on the kids. They only care that
the $$ passes through the system so that the states can get huge sums of $$
from the federal government. See you've fallen for the line that cs is 'for
the children' which it's not, never was.

Oh and I like to read about the woes of irresponsible women who haphazardly
let any men they find appealing leave their reproductive cells in their
receptacle. And then when the appeal wears off they whine about having to
provide support to the life they created. But wait! Women have more
choices than that! Once the appeal wears off they can 1) go to planned
parenthood and get the morning after pill 2) go to planned parenthood and
get RU486 3) get an abortion 4) give birth and give it up for adoption 5)
give birth, play mommy for a couple days and drop the kid off at a hospital
or firestation.

Mens choice ends at having to provide support to moomy for the next 18+
years.

~AZ~

"AZ Astrea" wrote in message
...


Oh and I like to read about the woes of irresponsible women who
haphazardly
let any men they find appealing leave their reproductive cells in their
receptacle. And then when the appeal wears off they whine about having to
provide support to the life they created. But wait! Women have more
choices than that! Once the appeal wears off they can 1) go to planned
parenthood and get the morning after pill 2) go to planned parenthood and
get RU486 3) get an abortion 4) give birth and give it up for adoption
5)
give birth, play mommy for a couple days and drop the kid off at a
hospital
or firestation.

You left out the first line of defense - Women can inject themselves with an
over the counter spermicide like Gynol II or other spermicide based product
to kill any active sperm in their "receptacle" before they go to PP for Plan
B, RU486, pill based abortion, or medical abortion.

"AZ Astrea" wrote in message
...


Oh and I like to read about the woes of irresponsible women who
haphazardly
let any men they find appealing leave their reproductive cells in their
receptacle. And then when the appeal wears off they whine about having to
provide support to the life they created. But wait! Women have more
choices than that! Once the appeal wears off they can 1) go to planned
parenthood and get the morning after pill 2) go to planned parenthood and
get RU486 3) get an abortion 4) give birth and give it up for adoption
5)
give birth, play mommy for a couple days and drop the kid off at a
hospital
or firestation.

You left out the first line of defense - Women can inject themselves with an
over the counter spermicide like Gynol II or other spermicide based product
to kill any active sperm in their "receptacle" before they go to PP for Plan
B, RU486, pill based abortion, or medical abortion.

"AZ Astrea" wrote in message
...


Oh and I like to read about the woes of irresponsible women who
haphazardly
let any men they find appealing leave their reproductive cells in their
receptacle. And then when the appeal wears off they whine about having to
provide support to the life they created. But wait! Women have more
choices than that! Once the appeal wears off they can 1) go to planned
parenthood and get the morning after pill 2) go to planned parenthood and
get RU486 3) get an abortion 4) give birth and give it up for adoption
5)
give birth, play mommy for a couple days and drop the kid off at a
hospital
or firestation.

You left out the first line of defense - Women can inject themselves with an
over the counter spermicide like Gynol II or other spermicide based product
to kill any active sperm in their "receptacle" before they go to PP for Plan
B, RU486, pill based abortion, or medical abortion.

"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message
ink.net...

"AZ Astrea" wrote in message
...


Oh and I like to read about the woes of irresponsible women who
haphazardly
let any men they find appealing leave their reproductive cells in their
receptacle. And then when the appeal wears off they whine about having
to
provide support to the life they created. But wait! Women have more
choices than that! Once the appeal wears off they can 1) go to planned
parenthood and get the morning after pill 2) go to planned parenthood
and
get RU486 3) get an abortion 4) give birth and give it up for adoption
5)
give birth, play mommy for a couple days and drop the kid off at a
hospital
or firestation.

You left out the first line of defense - Women can inject themselves with
an
over the counter spermicide like Gynol II or other spermicide based
product
to kill any active sperm in their "receptacle" before they go to PP for
Plan
B, RU486, pill based abortion, or medical abortion.
-------------
Of course! I just thought that goes without saying. And don't forget the
female condom!

(I always thought the fem con looked ridiculous, and weirdly loose.)

~AZ~