BU$TED?

"Jan Drew" wrote:

It likely does this by increasing
the rate that thimerosal breaks down releasing ethylmercury which is the
toxic material" -------Testimony Prof Boyd Haley, University of Kentucky,
Chair and Head of Chemistry.......

There's Haley demonstrating either ignorance, incompetence or lying
again.

He knows that methylmercury is the dangerous one, but pretends that it
is no different to ethylmercury. And why do I say "pretends"? Because
everybody with even a high-school knowledge of chemistry knows the
difference between an ethyl- and a methyl- compound and why one might
be able to penetrate a membrane and the other be blocked. As Dr Haley
held down a teaching job in a real university chemistry department
(before he decided to sell stuff full-time) we can assume that he
knows some chemistry. As Dr Haley talks rubbish about mercury
compounds we can assume that he will lie when it suits him. And we all
know that it suits his commercial business.
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

Jason Johnson wrote:
In article , Mark Probert
wrote:

Jason Johnson wrote:
In article , "Rich"
wrote:

"Jason Johnson" wrote in message
...
In article t,
(David Wright) wrote:

In article ,
Jason Johnson wrote:
In article , "Rich"
wrote:

"Jason Johnson" wrote in message
...

My problem is with the
medical establishment that continues to give children vaccines that
contain mercury--knowing full well that in the near future that none
of
the vaccines will contain mercury. It would do no harm to wait until
the
vaccines that do not contain mercury become available.

Oh, but there is harm in waiting. Hep-B is devastating to an infant. It
is
the right thing to protect newborns from this disease as early as
possible,
especially since the risks from giving babies vaccines containing
Thimerosal
are neglegible compared to the risks of hepatitis.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Rich,
Good point. Does at least one company make a Hep-B vaccine that does NOT
contain thimerosal?

All hep B vaccines on the market are now thimerosal-free.

( http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm )

Also, if a baby develops Hep-B--is it usually caused
by negligence of hospital staff?

No, it's usually because the mother was infected.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Rich,
Thanks, I was not aware that Hep-B is usually caused because the mother
was infected.
Since thimerosal will no longer be used in any vaccines in the near
future, do you believe that it is (or is not) ethical to conduct a study
that involves injecting premature and LBW infants with
thimersal-containing vaccines.

Nobody is "injecting premature and LBW infants with thimerosal-containing
vaccines" for the purpose of conducting a study.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Rich,
You successfully avoided answering my question. In order for the study to
be performed,

Incorrect. The study that YOU referenced is looking for children already
immunized. They are not doing any injecting.

medical staff will have to make use of a Hep-B vaccine that
contains thimerosal instead of a Hep-B vaccine that does NOT contain
thimerosal. Is it ethical for medical staff (that are not actually
involved with the study) to do such a thing.






AFAIC, yes, since there is no proof that Thimerosal does anything bad.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mark,
You made this point in the above post:

AFAIC, yes, since there is no proof that Thimerosal does anything bad.


I found this on the net. Upon request, I will tell you the site where I
found it:

A paper published in March 2006 in Environmental Health Perspectives would
seem to shed more light on the mechanisms by which thimerosal can damage a
childs health. Researchers at University of California, Davis, have found
that in mice at least, thimerosal can disrupt the immune system. This
large, well funded study for the university's MIND Institute and the
National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences is sure to be an
important indicator of where future research should be focused. The
researchers in this study looked at dendritic cells which can be described
as messengers within the immune system. These cells take up invaders such
as bacteria, viruses and other antigens such as vaccine ingredients and
process them. They then migrate to the lymph nodes to present their
information to other immune cells, which can activate a systemic immune
response. The research shows that these dendritic cells, especially the
normal biochemical signals they process, are highly sensitive to
thimerosal. With low concentrations of thimerosal, an inflammatory
response occurs and with higher concentrations the cell is actually
killed. These reactions could lead to any number of unwanted, and
uncontrolled, effects within the immune system.

Yawn. Old news.

Visit Google Groups and locate previous discussions regarding this
"study". You should pay special attention to the special mice used in
the study.

Peter Bowditch wrote:


It likely does this by increasing
the rate that thimerosal breaks down releasing ethylmercury which is the
toxic material" -------Testimony Prof Boyd Haley, University of Kentucky,
Chair and Head of Chemistry.......

There's Haley demonstrating either ignorance, incompetence or lying
again.

He knows that methylmercury is the dangerous one, but pretends that it
is no different to ethylmercury. And why do I say "pretends"? Because
everybody with even a high-school knowledge of chemistry knows the
difference between an ethyl- and a methyl- compound and why one might
be able to penetrate a membrane and the other be blocked. As Dr Haley
held down a teaching job in a real university chemistry department
(before he decided to sell stuff full-time) we can assume that he
knows some chemistry. As Dr Haley talks rubbish about mercury
compounds we can assume that he will lie when it suits him. And we all
know that it suits his commercial business.

It is statements like those that you quoted above that will get Haley
tossed out of court after a Daubert hearing.

Jason Johnson wrote:
In article , Mark Probert
wrote:

Jason Johnson wrote:
In article , "Jan Drew"
wrote:

"David Wright" wrote in message
y.net...
In article ,
Jason Johnson wrote:
In article , "Rich"
wrote:

"Jason Johnson" wrote in message
...

My problem is with the
medical establishment that continues to give children vaccines that
contain mercury--knowing full well that in the near future that none of
the vaccines will contain mercury. It would do no harm to wait until
the
vaccines that do not contain mercury become available.

Oh, but there is harm in waiting. Hep-B is devastating to an infant. It
is
the right thing to protect newborns from this disease as early as
possible,
especially since the risks from giving babies vaccines containing
Thimerosal
are neglegible compared to the risks of hepatitis.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Rich,
Good point. Does at least one company make a Hep-B vaccine that does NOT
contain thimerosal?

All hep B vaccines on the market are now thimerosal-free.

( http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm )

Hep A-B
Twinrix
GlaxoSmithKline
*
*



1

PRESCRIBING INFORMATION

TWINRIX®

[Hepatitis A Inactivated & Hepatitis B (Recombinant) Vaccine]

DESCRIPTION

TWINRIX® [Hepatitis A Inactivated & Hepatitis B (Recombinant) Vaccine] is a
sterile

bivalent vaccine containing the antigenic components used in producing
HAVRIX® (Hepatitis A

Vaccine, Inactivated) and ENGERIX-B® [Hepatitis B Vaccine (Recombinant)].
TWINRIX is a

sterile suspension of inactivated hepatitis A virus (strain HM175)
propagated in MRC5 cells, and

combined with purified surface antigen of the hepatitis B virus. The
purified hepatitis B surface

antigen (HBsAg) is obtained by culturing genetically engineered
Saccharomyces cerevisiae cells,

which carry the surface antigen gene of the hepatitis B virus, in synthetic
media containing

inorganic salts, amino acids, dextrose, and vitamins. Bulk preparations of
each antigen are

adsorbed separately onto aluminum salts and then pooled during formulation.

A 1.0-mL dose of vaccine contains not less than 720 ELISA Units of
inactivated hepatitis A






virus and 20 mcg of recombinant HBsAg protein. One dose of vaccine also
contains 0.45 mg of
aluminum in the form of aluminum phosphate and aluminum hydroxide as
adjuvants,

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jan, the key words from your post a

One dose of vaccine also contains 0.45 mg of aluminum in the form of
aluminum phosphate and aluminum hydroxide as adjuvants,

Conclusion:
The vaccine no longer contains MERCURY but instead contains ALUMNINUM--a
known poison.

Will the drug companies ever figure out how to make vaccines without
including known poisons? I hope so.

Is Aluminum poisonous at that concentration?

One of the hallmark features of some of the idiots is that they assume
that any dose is toxic.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mark,
I know that ONE vaccine that contains alumninum is not likely to cause harm.
However, as you probably know, alumninum is in many different products such as
antacids. If they started placing alumninum in all vaccines (to replace
mercury), it could cause high levels of alumninum to build up in the
bodies of people.

Why would you ASSUME that there would be a build up?

It could cause as much harm as high levels of mercury.

Why would you assume that? Different toxins act differently. Spend some
time learning the various types of "snake venom" and how they work.

It could lead to alumninum poisoning. Heavy metal poisoning and alumninum
poisoning are known medical issues. I was shocked when I noticed that
almost every brand of antacids contains high levels of alumninum.

Does the body absorb it, though? Does the body retain it?

One dose
of alumninum is NOT a problem--however, I hope that even you would agree
that 100 doses of alumninum is a problem--esp. in those people that have
an allergic reactions to alumninum.

Only if it accumulates to a toxic level.

People that have various types of
kidney diseases are advised not to use productes that contain alumninum.

Why?

Jason Johnson wrote:
Mark,
Thanks for your interesting post. I was NOT aware that
the principal investigator in the study you referenced is a well
known and well respected investigator who nearly had a prior study
negated because he did not realize just how fast the mercury from
thimerosal is cleared in newborns.

Now I understand the reason for the study.

Just in case mercury MAY be the cause of medical problems-

Why should we waste time on something that is no better than pure
speculation? Surely, you do not want to spend precious research money on
something that would not produce any useful results.

BTW, that is precisely what I believe regarding the study you reference.
AFAIAC, the money could be better spent helping families deal with
autism. The study is an incredible waste of money.

especially in
premature and LBW infants--I don't believe that children should be given
vaccines that contain mercury. As we both know, in the near future, none
of the vaccines will contain mercury. The Hepatitis B vaccination (in my
opinion) should not have been given to those babies or any other babies
until the Hep B vaccine no longer contains mercury.

So, you would prefer a real risk to an imaginary one.

My problem related to this study is no longer with the "principle
investigator" since it's important to determine how fast the mercury from
thimerosal is cleared in premature and LBW infants.

The importance is marginal. What it can do is to provide a datapoint to
refute the liars.

My problem is with the
medical establishment that continues to give children vaccines that
contain mercury--knowing full well that in the near future that none of
the vaccines will contain mercury. It would do no harm to wait until the
vaccines that do not contain mercury become available.

Of course it would do harm. Sad that you do not realize this.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mark,
Another Good News vs. Bad News situation:

The good news: They now have a Hep-B vaccine that does NOT contain a known
poison named MERCURY.

The bad news: The new Hep-B vaccine that does not contain mercury does contain
another known poison named ALUMINUM

Incorrect. It is a NO-news vs. NO-news situation, thus a null.

Question: Will drug companies ever be able to figure out how to make
vaccines that do not contain any known poisons.

So long as a vaccine requires a preservative there will be something in
a vaccine that kills germs.

Another question: Who will be the first poster to tell me that some types
of Aluminum are not harmful to children and are as safe as drinking water.

If so, would you drink a glass of water that contains high levels of the
safe type of aluminum?

Of course I would. It is a safe type of aluminum.

Did we do this inane discussion weeks ago regarding safe levels of mercury?

Mark,
I know that ONE vaccine that contains alumninum is not likely to cause harm.
However, as you probably know, alumninum is in many different products
such as
antacids. If they started placing alumninum in all vaccines (to replace
mercury), it could cause high levels of alumninum to build up in the
bodies of people.

Why would you ASSUME that there would be a build up?

It could cause as much harm as high levels of mercury.

Why would you assume that? Different toxins act differently. Spend some
time learning the various types of "snake venom" and how they work.

It could lead to alumninum poisoning. Heavy metal poisoning and alumninum
poisoning are known medical issues. I was shocked when I noticed that
almost every brand of antacids contains high levels of alumninum.

Does the body absorb it, though? Does the body retain it?

One dose
of alumninum is NOT a problem--however, I hope that even you would agree
that 100 doses of alumninum is a problem--esp. in those people that have
an allergic reactions to alumninum.

Only if it accumulates to a toxic level.

People that have various types of
kidney diseases are advised not to use productes that contain alumninum.

Why?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mark,
You made some good points in your post. I have conducted some research
related to kidney diseases mainly by reading a book that was written by a
kidney specialist that is a professor at a medical college. I am NOT an
expert on kidney diseases. It's my understanding based upon what I read in
that book that diseased kidneys have a difficult time removing various
substances such as mercury, alumninum (and various types of medications),
and other heavy metals from the body. As a result, those things
accumuluate and cause great harm. For example, if you drank an entire
bottle of an antacid (and had normal kidneys), it probably would not harm
you. On the other hand, if someone that had weak or diseased kidneys,
drank a bottle of antacid, the alumninum in that bottle of antacid may
cause great harm and perhaps even alumninum poisoning. You would be amazed
at the number of medications that have a warning that states: "People that
have kidney disease or liver disease should NOT take this medication."
Yes--I would agree that heavy metals may in some cases (e.g. kidney
disease) accumulate to a toxic level.
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~

"Mark Probert" wrote in message
...
Jason Johnson wrote:
In article , Mark Probert
wrote:

Jason Johnson wrote:
In article , "Rich"
wrote:
"Jason Johnson" wrote in message
...
In article t,
(David Wright) wrote:

In article
,
Jason Johnson wrote:
In article , "Rich"
wrote:

"Jason Johnson" wrote in message

...

My problem is with the
medical establishment that continues to give children vaccines
that
contain mercury--knowing full well that in the near future that
none of
the vaccines will contain mercury. It would do no harm to wait
until the
vaccines that do not contain mercury become available.

Oh, but there is harm in waiting. Hep-B is devastating to an
infant. It is
the right thing to protect newborns from this disease as early as
possible,
especially since the risks from giving babies vaccines containing
Thimerosal
are neglegible compared to the risks of hepatitis.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Rich,
Good point. Does at least one company make a Hep-B vaccine that
does NOT
contain thimerosal?

All hep B vaccines on the market are now thimerosal-free.

( http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm )

Also, if a baby develops Hep-B--is it usually caused
by negligence of hospital staff?

No, it's usually because the mother was infected.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Rich,
Thanks, I was not aware that Hep-B is usually caused because the
mother
was infected.
Since thimerosal will no longer be used in any vaccines in the near
future, do you believe that it is (or is not) ethical to conduct a
study
that involves injecting premature and LBW infants with
thimersal-containing vaccines.
Nobody is "injecting premature and LBW infants with
thimerosal-containing vaccines" for the purpose of conducting a study.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rich,
You successfully avoided answering my question. In order for the study
to
be performed, Incorrect. The study that YOU referenced is looking for
children already immunized. They are not doing any injecting.
medical staff will have to make use of a Hep-B vaccine that
contains thimerosal instead of a Hep-B vaccine that does NOT contain
thimerosal. Is it ethical for medical staff (that are not actually
involved with the study) to do such a thing.




AFAIC, yes, since there is no proof that Thimerosal does anything bad.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mark,
You made this point in the above post:

AFAIC, yes, since there is no proof that Thimerosal does anything bad.


I found this on the net. Upon request, I will tell you the site where I
found it:

A paper published in March 2006 in Environmental Health Perspectives
would
seem to shed more light on the mechanisms by which thimerosal can damage
a
childs health.. This
large, well funded study for the university's MIND Institute and the
National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences is sure to be an
important indicator of where future research should be focused. The
researchers in this study looked at dendritic cells which can be
described
as messengers within the immune system. These cells take up invaders such
as bacteria, viruses and other antigens such as vaccine ingredients and
process them. They then migrate to the lymph nodes to present their
information to other immune cells, which can activate a systemic immune
response. The research shows that these dendritic cells, especially the
normal biochemical signals they process, are highly sensitive to
thimerosal. With low concentrations of thimerosal, an inflammatory
response occurs and with higher concentrations the cell is actually
killed. These reactions could lead to any number of unwanted, and
uncontrolled, effects within the immune system.

Yawn. Old news.

March 2006 is Old news..........

One can note this old news bit is an excuse and pat reply #48903029390293029
from
the *gang*.

Visit Google Groups and locate previous discussions regarding this
"study". You should pay special attention to the special mice used in the
study.

There you will see how.....

Mark adds the word *epidemiological*.

And...

Children are not mice.

And...

massively flawed study

From disruptive members trying to protect conventional and
organized medicine. See their personal trashing.



http://groups.google.com/group/misc....7c5d8a2ec10400

When Mark AGAIN diverted the discussion with his famous
*sales hype* bit.

Reason being...the information IS correct.

Or...one can find the truth. NOT from Mark's choice.


http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cf...UTISM-03-22-06

http://www.thenutritionsolution.com/news.htm

http://www.flu.org.cn/news/2004986362.htm
Thimerosal,New study reopens debate on vaccinations
Published: Sep ,8,2004 16:21 PM
By ###
Special to The Wall Street Journal & Medicalnewstoday



By Tara Parker-Pope
The Wall Street Journal

Just a few months after the nation's top medical adviser rejected a link
between vaccines and autism, a mouse study has reignited the debate and
raised new fears among parents considering vaccinations and flu shots for
their kids.


For years, a cadre of parents and physicians have contended that thimerosal,
an ethyl-mercury compound that has been one of the most widely used vaccine
preservatives, is partly responsible for an apparent rise in autism in
recent decades. But broad population studies haven't supported the claim. In
May, a major report from the Institute of Medicine's Immunization Safety
Review Committee rejected a link between autism and vaccines.



But today, a congressional committee will review a June study from Columbia
University, which found that a preservative used in vaccines can cause
autism-like symptoms in a specific strain of mice. The research raises
questions about whether some people might be genetically vulnerable to the
effects of thimerosal.



The study also raises questions about a new push by the Centers for Disease
Control and Prevention to add flu shots to the immunization schedule for
school-age kids. The vast majority of flu shots given still contain the
preservative.



In the study, researchers administered thimerosal to four strains of young
mice. Three of the mice strains were unaffected by thimerosal, but the
fourth developed problems consistent with autism such as delayed growth,
social withdrawal and brain abnormalities. The mice were known to have a
genetic susceptibility to mercury.



Thimerosal, found in childhood vaccines, can increase the risk of
autism-like damage in mice



A new study indicates that postnatal exposure to thimerosal, a mercury
preservative commonly used in a number of childhood vaccines, can lead to
the development of autism-like damage in autoimmune disease susceptible
mice. This animal model, the first to show that the administration of
low-dose ethylmercury can lead to behavioral and neurological changes in the
developing brain, reinforces previous studies showing that a genetic
predisposition affects risk in combination with certain environmental
triggers. The study was conducted by researchers at the Jerome L. and Dawn
Greene

Infectious Disease Laboratory at the Mailman School of Public Health,
Columbia University. Over the past 20 years, there has been a striking
increase--at least ten-fold since 1985--in the number of children diagnosed
with autism spectrum disorders. Genetic factors alone cannot account for
this rise in prevalence. Researchers at the Mailman School, led by Dr. Mady
Hornig, created an animal model to explore the relationship between
thimerosal (ethylmercury) and autism, hypothesizing that the combination of
genetic susceptibility and environmental exposure to mercury in childhood
vaccines may cause neurotoxicity.

Cumulative mercury burden through other sources, including in utero
exposures to mercury in fish or vaccines, may also lead to damage in
susceptible hosts. Timing and quantity of thimerosal dosing for the mouse
model were developed using the U.S. immunization schedule for children, with
doses calculated for mice based on 10th percentile weight of U.S. boys at
age two, four, six, and twelve months.

The researchers found the subset of autoimmune disease susceptible mice with
thimerosal exposure to express many important aspects of the behavioral and
neuropathologic features of autism spectrum disorders, including:

Abnormal response to novel environments;

Behavioral impoverishment (limited range of behaviors and decreased
exploration of environment); Significant abnormalities in brain
architecture, affecting areas subserving emotion and cognition; Increased
brain size.

These findings have relevance for identification of autism cases relating to
environmental factors; design of treatment strategies; and development of
rational immunization programs. The use of thimerosal in vaccines has been
reduced over the past few years, although it is still present in some
influenza vaccines. Identifying the connection between genetic
susceptibility and an environmental trigger for autism--in this case
thimerosal exposure--is important because it may promote discovery of
effective interventions for and limit exposure in a specific population,
stated the lead author Dr. Mady Hornig. Because the developing brain can be
exposed to toxins that are long gone by the time symptoms appear, clues
gathered in these animal models can then be evaluated through prospective
human birth cohorts--providing a powerful to tool to dissect the interaction
between genes and the environment over time.

Citation source: Molecular Psychiatry 2004 Volume 9, advance on line
publication doi:10.1038/sj.mp.4001529

For further information on this work, please contact Mady Hornig, MD,
Columbia University, Mailman School of Public Health, Greene Infectious
Disease Laboratory, 722 W 168th St, New York, New York 10032, United States
of America, phone: 212-342-9036; FAX: 949-824-1229; e-mail:


ARTICLE: "Neurotoxic effects of postnatal thimerosal are mouse
strain-dependent"

M Hornig, D Chian, W. I. Lipkin

Greene Infectious Disease Laboratory, Mailman School of Public Health,
Columbia University, 722 W 168th St, New York, New York 10032

"Jan Drew" wrote in message
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"Peter Bowditch" repeated lies + personal trashing deleted.


"Jan Drew" wrote:

It likely does this by increasing
the rate that thimerosal breaks down releasing ethylmercury which is the
toxic material" -------Testimony Prof Boyd Haley, University of Kentucky,
Chair and Head of Chemistry.......


--
Peter Bowditch

"Mark Probert" wrote in message
...
Peter Bowditch wrote:

lies that Mark is eager to repeat.
snip


It likely does this by increasing
the rate that thimerosal breaks down releasing ethylmercury which is the
toxic material" -------Testimony Prof Boyd Haley, University of
Kentucky,
Chair and Head of Chemistry.......


It is statements like those that you quoted above that will get Haley
tossed out of court after a Daubert hearing.

Speaking of being tossed out of court! What a HYPOCRITE!!

92-02731
SUPREME COURT OF NEW YORK, APPELLATE DIVISION, SECOND DEPARTMENT

183 A.D.2d 282; 590 N.Y.S.2d 747

November 9, 1992, Decided

PRIOR HISTORY: [***1]

Disciplinary proceedings instituted by the Grievance Committee for the Tenth
Judicial District. Respondent was admitted to the Bar on February 15, 1978,
at a term of the Appellate Division of the Supreme Court in the Second
Judicial Department, under the name Mark S. Probert.

DISPOSITION: Ordered that the petitioner's motion to impose discipline upon
the respondent based upon his failure to appear or answer is granted; and it
is further,

HEADNOTES: Attorney and Client - Disciplinary Proceedings

Respondent attorney, who is charged with 22 counts of failing to cooperate
with investigations of alleged misconduct by the Grievance Committee, and
who has failed to answer or appear, is disbarred.

COUNSEL:

Frank A. Finnerty, Jr., Westbury (Muriel L. Gennosa of counsel), for
petitioner.

JUDGES: Mangano, P. J., Thompson, Bracken, Sullivan and Harwood, JJ.,
concur.

Ordered that the petitioner's motion to impose discipline upon the
respondent based upon his failure to appear or answer is granted; and it is
further,

Ordered that pursuant to Judiciary Law § 90, effective immediately, the
respondent, Mark Probert, is disbarred and his name is stricken from the
roll of attorneys and counselors-at-law; and it is further,

Ordered that the respondent shall continue to comply with this Court's rules
governing the conduct of disbarred, suspended and resigned attorneys (22
NYCRR 691.10); and it is further,

Ordered that pursuant to Judiciary [***2] Law § 90, the respondent, Mark
Probert, is commanded to continue to desist and refrain (1) from practicing
law in any form, either as principal or as agent, clerk or employee of
another, (2) from appearing as an attorney or counselor-at-law before any
court, Judge, Justice, board, commission or other public authority, (3) from
giving to another an opinion as to the law or its application or any advice
in relation thereto, and (4) from holding himself out in any way as an
attorney and counselor-at-law.

OPINIONBY: Per Curiam.

OPINION: [*282]

[**747] By decision and order of this Court dated September 29, 1989, the
respondent was suspended from the practice of law until the further order of
this Court based upon his failure to cooperate with the Grievance Committee.
By further order of this Court dated June 4, 1992, the Grievance Committee
was authorized to institute and prosecute a disciplinary proceeding [*283]
against the respondent and the Honorable Moses M. Weinstein was appointed as
Special Referee.

[**748] A notice of petition and petition was personally served upon the
respondent on July 2, 1992. No answer was forthcoming. The petitioner now
moves to hold the [***3] respondent in default. The motion was personally
served upon the respondent on August 14, 1992. The respondent has failed to
submit any papers in response to the default motion.

The charges involve 22 counts of the respondent's failure to cooperate with
the Grievance Committee in its investigations into complaints of
professional misconduct.

The charges, if established, would require the imposition of a disciplinary
sanction against the respondent. Since the respondent has chosen not to
appear or answer in these proceedings, the charges must be deemed
established. The petitioner's motion to hold the respondent in default and
impose discipline is, therefore, granted. Accordingly, the respondent is
disbarred and his name is stricken from the roll of attorneys and
counselors-at-law, effective immediately.


Source:

NY UNIFIED COURT SYSTEM, ATTORNEY REGIST. UNIT

Currency Status:

ARCHIVE RECORD

NAME & PROFESSIONAL INFORMATION

Name:

MARK PROBERT

Date Of Birth:

11/XX/1946

Gender:

MALE

Address:

1698 WEBSTER AVE

MERRICK, NY 11566

County:

NASSAU

Phone:

516-968-5572

EMPLOYER INFORMATION

Employer:

MARK S PROBERT ESQ

Organization:

PERSON

LICENSING INFORMATION

Licensing Agency:

NY STATE OFFICE OF COURT ADMINISTRATION

License/Certification Type:

ATTORNEY

License Number:

1253889

Issue Date:

00/00/1978

License Status:

DISBARRED

License State:

NY

"Mark Probert" wrote in message
...
Jason Johnson wrote:
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wrote:

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Drew"
wrote:
"David Wright" wrote in message
y.net...
In article
,
Jason Johnson wrote:
In article , "Rich"
wrote:

"Jason Johnson" wrote in message
...

My problem is with the
medical establishment that continues to give children vaccines
that
contain mercury--knowing full well that in the near future that
none of
the vaccines will contain mercury. It would do no harm to wait
until the
vaccines that do not contain mercury become available.

Oh, but there is harm in waiting. Hep-B is devastating to an
infant. It is
the right thing to protect newborns from this disease as early as
possible,
especially since the risks from giving babies vaccines containing
Thimerosal
are neglegible compared to the risks of hepatitis.

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Rich,
Good point. Does at least one company make a Hep-B vaccine that
does NOT
contain thimerosal?

All hep B vaccines on the market are now thimerosal-free.

( http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm )
Hep A-B
Twinrix
GlaxoSmithKline
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1
PRESCRIBING INFORMATION
TWINRIX®
[Hepatitis A Inactivated & Hepatitis B (Recombinant) Vaccine]
DESCRIPTION
TWINRIX® [Hepatitis A Inactivated & Hepatitis B (Recombinant)
Vaccine] is a sterile
bivalent vaccine containing the antigenic components used in
producing HAVRIX® (Hepatitis A
Vaccine, Inactivated) and ENGERIX-B® [Hepatitis B Vaccine
(Recombinant)]. TWINRIX is a
sterile suspension of inactivated hepatitis A virus (strain HM175)
propagated in MRC5 cells, and
combined with purified surface antigen of the hepatitis B virus.
The purified hepatitis B surface
antigen (HBsAg) is obtained by culturing genetically engineered
Saccharomyces cerevisiae cells,
which carry the surface antigen gene of the hepatitis B virus, in
synthetic media containing
inorganic salts, amino acids, dextrose, and vitamins. Bulk
preparations of each antigen are
adsorbed separately onto aluminum salts and then pooled during
formulation.
A 1.0-mL dose of vaccine contains not less than 720 ELISA Units of
inactivated hepatitis A
virus and 20 mcg of recombinant HBsAg protein. One dose
of vaccine also contains 0.45 mg of
aluminum in the form of aluminum phosphate and aluminum hydroxide as
adjuvants,
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Jan, the key words from your post a
One dose of vaccine also contains 0.45 mg of aluminum in the form
of
aluminum phosphate and aluminum hydroxide as adjuvants,
Conclusion:
The vaccine no longer contains MERCURY but instead contains
ALUMNINUM--a
known poison. Will the drug companies ever figure out how to make
vaccines without
including known poisons? I hope so.
Is Aluminum poisonous at that concentration?
One of the hallmark features of some of the idiots is that they assume
that any dose is toxic.

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Mark,
I know that ONE vaccine that contains alumninum is not likely to cause
harm.
However, as you probably know, alumninum is in many different products
such as antacids. If they started placing alumninum in all vaccines (to
replace
mercury), it could cause high levels of alumninum to build up in the
bodies of people.

Why would you ASSUME that there would be a build up?

It could cause as much harm as high levels of mercury.

Why would you assume that? Different toxins act differently. Spend some
time learning the various types of "snake venom" and how they work.

It could lead to alumninum poisoning. Heavy metal poisoning and alumninum
poisoning are known medical issues. I was shocked when I noticed that
almost every brand of antacids contains high levels of alumninum.

Does the body absorb it, though? Does the body retain it?

One dose
of alumninum is NOT a problem--however, I hope that even you would agree
that 100 doses of alumninum is a problem--esp. in those people that have
an allergic reactions to alumninum.

Only if it accumulates to a toxic level.

People that have various types of
kidney diseases are advised not to use productes that contain alumninum.

Why?

Been shown why. Time and time. AGAIN



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...eve&db=pubmed&...


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...eve&db=pubmed&...


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...eve&db=pubmed&...


Neurochemical hypothesis: participation by aluminum in producing critical
mass of colocalized errors in brain leads to neurological disease.


Joshi JG.


Department of Biochemistry, University of Tennessee, Knoxville 37996-0840.


1. Aluminum is an established neurotoxin. Prolonged exposure to even low
levels of aluminum permit its chelation and subsequent transport to brain
where it is non-uniformly distributed. 2. Available evidence suggests that
(i) aluminum interferes with glucose metabolism by inhibiting hexokinase and
glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase; (ii) it binds to calmodulin and affects
numerous phosphorylation-dephosphorylation reactions; (iii) it binds to
transferrin and ferritin, affects the function of these proteins which in
turn affect iron metabolism. 3. Thus accumulation of aluminum-induced
metabolic errors colocalized in specific areas of the brain may lead to
neurological disorders.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...eve&db=pubmed&...


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...eve&db=pubmed&...


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...eve&db=pubmed&...

http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInforma...umvaccines.htm



[for starters]


Was shown AGAIN just yesterday.

Alas..he has an INSANE need to argue and trash personally.

We have demonstrated the toxicity of thimerosal by using it to kill neurons
in culture. At 50 nanomolar thimerosal the neuron killing capacity/rate is
about doubled with the addition of levels of aluminium found in vaccines.
The aluminium alone at this level is not demonstrated to be toxic, so it is
enhancing the toxicity of the thimerosal. It likely does this by increasing
the rate that thimerosal breaks down releasing ethylmercury which is the
toxic material" -------Testimony Prof Boyd Haley, University of Kentucky,
Chair and Head of Chemistry.......


Ilena wrote in message ...
Note from Ilena: May God protect Dr. Shaw and his organization from the
Healthfrauds whose so called 'minds' are so closed in their blind
ignorance, they attempt to shut down all research that doesn't suit their
pre-conceived, pharma mindset and funders.
http://www.straight.com/content.cfm?id=16717 Health Health Archives
Vaccines show sinister side By pieta woolley Publish Date: 23-Mar-2006 If
two dozen once-jittery mice at UBC are telling the truth postmortem, the
world's governments may soon be facing one hell of a lawsuit. New,
so-far-unpublished research led by Vancouver neuroscientist Chris Shaw
shows a link between the aluminum hydroxide used in vaccines, and symptoms
associated with Parkinson's, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS, or Lou
Gehrig's disease), and Alzheimer's. Shaw is most surprised that the
research for his paper hadn't been done before. For 80 years, doctors have
injected patients with aluminum hydroxide, he said, an adjuvant that
stimulates immune response. "This is suspicious," he told the Georgia
Straight in a phone interview from his lab near Heather Street and West
12th Avenue. "Either this [link] is known by industry and it was never
made public, or industry was never made to do these studies by Health
Canada. I'm not sure which is scarier." Similar adjuvants are used in the
following vaccines, according to Shaw's paper: hepatitis A and B, and the
Pentacel cocktail, which vaccinates against diphtheria, pertussis,
tetanus, polio, and a type of meningitis. To test the link theory, Shaw
and his four-scientist team from UBC and Louisiana State University
injected mice with the anthrax vaccine developed for the first Gulf War.
Because Gulf War Syndrome looks a lot like ALS, Shaw explained, the
neuroscientists had a chance to isolate a possible cause. All deployed
troops were vaccinated with an aluminum hydroxide compound. Vaccinated
troops who were not deployed to the Gulf developed similar symptoms at a
similar rate, according to Shaw. After 20 weeks studying the mice, the
team found statistically significant increases in anxiety (38 percent);
memory deficits (41 times the errors as in the sample group); and an
allergic skin reaction (20 percent). Tissue samples after the mice were
"sacrificed" showed neurological cells were dying. Inside the mice's
brains, in a part that controls movement, 35 percent of the cells were
destroying themselves. "No one in my lab wants to get vaccinated," he
said. "This totally creeped us out. We weren't out there to poke holes in
vaccines. But all of a sudden, oh my God-we've got neuron death!" At the
end of the paper, Shaw warns that "whether the risk of protection from a
dreaded disease outweighs the risk of toxicity is a question that demands
our urgent attention." He's not the only one considering that. The charge
that there's a sinister side to magic bullets isn't new. With his pen
blazing, celebrity journalist Robert F. Kennedy Jr. popularized vaccine
scepticism with his article arguing that mercury in vaccines causes
autism, which ran in the June 2005 Rolling Stone and on-line at Salon.com.
So did last year's vaccines-linked-to- autism bestseller, Evidence of Harm
by David Kirby (St. Martin's Press). But there's a potential public-health
cost to all the controversy, according to the B.C. Centre for Disease
Control. "Vaccines have been a victim of their own success," spokesperson
Ian Roe told the Straight in a telephone interview from Ottawa. Diseases
such as polio, which killed his father-in-law, are almost eradicated and
therefore no longer serve as a warning to parents. But the epidemic threat
is still real. "If everyone decided to not get vaccinated, we'd live in a
very different world." Canada's last national immunization conference, in
December 2004, heard a report that vaccine coverage is sometimes low. For
diphtheria, the Public Health Agency of Canada found that just 75 percent
of two-year-olds are immunized; the target is 99 percent. For tetanus,
just 66 percent of 17-year-olds are immunized, compared to a target of 97
percent. Dr. Ronald Gold, the former head of the infectious-disease
division at Toronto's Hospital for Sick Children, told the conference that
"we will never be without an anti-vaccine movement," but "in reality,
there is no scientific evidence for these myths." Shaw acknowledges that
there's a lot of pressure on parents to vaccinate their children. "You're
considered to be a really bad parent if you don't vaccinate," he said-and
your child can't attend public school. "But I don't think the safety of
vaccines is demarcated. How does a parent make a decision based on what's
available? You can't make an intelligent decision." Conservatively, he
said, if one percent of vaccinated humans develop ALS from vaccine
adjuvants, it would still constitute a health emergency. It's possible, he
said, that there are 10,000 studies that show aluminum hydroxide is safe
for injections. But he hasn't been able to find any that look beyond the
first few weeks of injection. If anyone has a study that shows something
different, he said, please "put it on the table. That's how you do
science." Neuroscience research is difficult, Shaw said, because symptoms
can take years to manifest, so it's hard to prove what caused the
symptoms. "To me, that calls for better testing, not blind faith." He
pointed out that George W. Bush passed legislation that opens the door for
the USA to order a nationwide anthrax immunization campaign, with the
threat of bioterrorism. Shaw's paper is currently undergoing a peer
review.