WHAT IS CHILD SUPPORT FOR

I always thought it was for rasing the child. But thay want you to pay
xtra for /daycare / Insureance /and anything else they think is xtra/. I
always here its your half Well were is the half on me rasing my daughter
as a ncp or (atm) you have zero say so or input into your child life.
ncp need to get there head out of there ass and start changing the laws
because as long as the goverment can put us down and make us look like a
bunch of dead beats to get votes.Its only going to get alot worst were
not only fighting for our rights were fighting for the lives of our
children. More or less our goverment is telling our children you dont
have to do what your ncp tells you and also you dont have to do what cp
tells you ether just call us and we will drag them though hell and back
so you well louse all respect for them.(Remember there just your parents
were the goverment were always right)

I, too, always thought it was for the raising of a child to make them
better and productive citizens of society. I guess I was wrong in
thinking this as more and more cp's are asking for ungodly amounts of
raising a child that the government is siding with them in order to
keep the children and cp's off of the welfare rolls. CS should NEVER
be used to provide such things as the cp's income should provide, or
the ncp's when living with them. These things include basic housing,
food, and other things such as clothing that the cp's income should
provide in attempting to be independent of the ncp. Each parent
should raise that child(ren) on his/her income when that child is
living with them, and if a cp wants to be truly independent, then
he/she should never ask for extra money in raising that child. If you
cannot afford the child then give them up to good homes somewhere
either with the other parent, or with a good foster home that can
afford them. If you are not mature enough to get along with a spouse,
then do not get involved in a relationship to begin with. Plain and
simply put, GROW UP first! Then you just might have the maturity it
takes to get involved in a relationship and stick it out "for better
or for worse", "in sickness and in health", "til death do us part",
assuming any of that is in your marriage vows any more.

Just like all the times in the past forty years, liberal democrats, or
whatever they call themselves now in order to hide their agenda, have
taken away the basic rights of hard working, honest parents forcing
one or the other to provide for two homes while demeaning the family
unit to nothing. I cannot wait til next year to see Hitlary Clinton
running for the office of the President of the United States and her
agenda to place all men in chains to be nothing more than slaves and
under the control of the female population, and to demeanor men once
and for all in the history of the world. She is pure evil and devious
enough to do such a feat. From her actions and words out of her own
mouth, she is the spawn of the devil himself waiting for the
acceptance of a people, and today America is ripe for Satan's
pickings. Hitlary will make ALL men pay for the hurt and pain she
alone has endured throughout her life, and the lives of countless
women alleged to have been hurt by other men. CS will more than
double, and the prisons will be filled far, far beyond capacity as
more will see prison terms for not adhering to their former spouses
demands for money and whims of living. The taxes will have to be
raised to an ungodly amount in order to house the prison populations
drastic increase, the court systems lawsuits that will be unequalled
today, and our world becomes nothing but a slave prison population
because someone disagreed with another in the marriage foundation that
has gone wrong. Of course, for forty years now, it has been a liberal
democrats goal to always raise taxes in order to support the bigger
socialistic government slowly being created for the population of
America, where the government has control of and payes for everything.
(Remember this on election day).

What is CS for? Obviously it is to make one parent poor, while the
other lives in the lap of luxury and his children are no better off
than before the marriage ended. One parent stuggles with the cost of
supporting two households, while the other lives off of the blood and
sweat with not a care in the world, nor a responsibility to anyone,
not even the children. CS has become, by the federal and state
governments own hands, a way for women to regain something for years
of abuse in their eyes, and not for the sake of the children as many
would have you to believe.

Just remember, CS is NOT for the children, but for the living of the
cp and her wildest dreams in life to live for herself while the
children starve, go unclothed, and beg for anything that they might
need and want. It is a way for the cp to become "dependently
independent", with absolutely NO accountability to anyone, not even
the government or CS agencies like the DAD's out there running amuck
trying to support themselves, their children, and the whims of their
ex spouses lounging around to make a life miserable. Not to mention
being branded and labeled(need I mention how?)

I, too, always thought it was for the raising of a child to make them
better and productive citizens of society. I guess I was wrong in
thinking this as more and more cp's are asking for ungodly amounts of
raising a child that the government is siding with them in order to
keep the children and cp's off of the welfare rolls. CS should NEVER
be used to provide such things as the cp's income should provide, or
the ncp's when living with them. These things include basic housing,
food, and other things such as clothing that the cp's income should
provide in attempting to be independent of the ncp. Each parent
should raise that child(ren) on his/her income when that child is
living with them, and if a cp wants to be truly independent, then
he/she should never ask for extra money in raising that child. If you
cannot afford the child then give them up to good homes somewhere
either with the other parent, or with a good foster home that can
afford them. If you are not mature enough to get along with a spouse,
then do not get involved in a relationship to begin with. Plain and
simply put, GROW UP first! Then you just might have the maturity it
takes to get involved in a relationship and stick it out "for better
or for worse", "in sickness and in health", "til death do us part",
assuming any of that is in your marriage vows any more.

Just like all the times in the past forty years, liberal democrats, or
whatever they call themselves now in order to hide their agenda, have
taken away the basic rights of hard working, honest parents forcing
one or the other to provide for two homes while demeaning the family
unit to nothing. I cannot wait til next year to see Hitlary Clinton
running for the office of the President of the United States and her
agenda to place all men in chains to be nothing more than slaves and
under the control of the female population, and to demeanor men once
and for all in the history of the world. She is pure evil and devious
enough to do such a feat. From her actions and words out of her own
mouth, she is the spawn of the devil himself waiting for the
acceptance of a people, and today America is ripe for Satan's
pickings. Hitlary will make ALL men pay for the hurt and pain she
alone has endured throughout her life, and the lives of countless
women alleged to have been hurt by other men. CS will more than
double, and the prisons will be filled far, far beyond capacity as
more will see prison terms for not adhering to their former spouses
demands for money and whims of living. The taxes will have to be
raised to an ungodly amount in order to house the prison populations
drastic increase, the court systems lawsuits that will be unequalled
today, and our world becomes nothing but a slave prison population
because someone disagreed with another in the marriage foundation that
has gone wrong. Of course, for forty years now, it has been a liberal
democrats goal to always raise taxes in order to support the bigger
socialistic government slowly being created for the population of
America, where the government has control of and payes for everything.
(Remember this on election day).

What is CS for? Obviously it is to make one parent poor, while the
other lives in the lap of luxury and his children are no better off
than before the marriage ended. One parent stuggles with the cost of
supporting two households, while the other lives off of the blood and
sweat with not a care in the world, nor a responsibility to anyone,
not even the children. CS has become, by the federal and state
governments own hands, a way for women to regain something for years
of abuse in their eyes, and not for the sake of the children as many
would have you to believe.

Just remember, CS is NOT for the children, but for the living of the
cp and her wildest dreams in life to live for herself while the
children starve, go unclothed, and beg for anything that they might
need and want. It is a way for the cp to become "dependently
independent", with absolutely NO accountability to anyone, not even
the government or CS agencies like the DAD's out there running amuck
trying to support themselves, their children, and the whims of their
ex spouses lounging around to make a life miserable. Not to mention
being branded and labeled(need I mention how?)

I think you have a pretty good grasp of what "child support" is. It's hard to
believe that the U.S. a supposedly "self-reliant" and "work for your money"
place, has come to this. It's like Communism.

I think you have a pretty good grasp of what "child support" is. It's hard to
believe that the U.S. a supposedly "self-reliant" and "work for your money"
place, has come to this. It's like Communism.

You are correct sir, in that they are denying the rights of millions of
fathers and children across the US in blatant disregard for the laws of
freedom for which this nation was founded. Unfortunately the masses in this
country are just as ignorant to what America has become in the same way as
the Germans were in the 1920s with the rise of Nazism.

I agree that the thought of Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean or any of these
left wing Marxist lunatics being in power as they are now is scary. The
Republican party however is just as responsible in selling out fathers and
has moved just as far to the left into Marxist territory that the party is
unrecognizable to its actual political platform. The myth that the
Republican party is actually conservative is a myth that only exists in the
liberal media and not in reality.

I only hope the sheeple in this country wake and realize it is time for a
major change, since both political parties are made up of global elites that
could careless about this country or of trampling the rights of the average
American.

"chillin'" wrote in message
m...
I, too, always thought it was for the raising of a child to make them
better and productive citizens of society. I guess I was wrong in
thinking this as more and more cp's are asking for ungodly amounts of
raising a child that the government is siding with them in order to
keep the children and cp's off of the welfare rolls. CS should NEVER
be used to provide such things as the cp's income should provide, or
the ncp's when living with them. These things include basic housing,
food, and other things such as clothing that the cp's income should
provide in attempting to be independent of the ncp. Each parent
should raise that child(ren) on his/her income when that child is
living with them, and if a cp wants to be truly independent, then
he/she should never ask for extra money in raising that child. If you
cannot afford the child then give them up to good homes somewhere
either with the other parent, or with a good foster home that can
afford them. If you are not mature enough to get along with a spouse,
then do not get involved in a relationship to begin with. Plain and
simply put, GROW UP first! Then you just might have the maturity it
takes to get involved in a relationship and stick it out "for better
or for worse", "in sickness and in health", "til death do us part",
assuming any of that is in your marriage vows any more.

Just like all the times in the past forty years, liberal democrats, or
whatever they call themselves now in order to hide their agenda, have
taken away the basic rights of hard working, honest parents forcing
one or the other to provide for two homes while demeaning the family
unit to nothing. I cannot wait til next year to see Hitlary Clinton
running for the office of the President of the United States and her
agenda to place all men in chains to be nothing more than slaves and
under the control of the female population, and to demeanor men once
and for all in the history of the world. She is pure evil and devious
enough to do such a feat. From her actions and words out of her own
mouth, she is the spawn of the devil himself waiting for the
acceptance of a people, and today America is ripe for Satan's
pickings. Hitlary will make ALL men pay for the hurt and pain she
alone has endured throughout her life, and the lives of countless
women alleged to have been hurt by other men. CS will more than
double, and the prisons will be filled far, far beyond capacity as
more will see prison terms for not adhering to their former spouses
demands for money and whims of living. The taxes will have to be
raised to an ungodly amount in order to house the prison populations
drastic increase, the court systems lawsuits that will be unequalled
today, and our world becomes nothing but a slave prison population
because someone disagreed with another in the marriage foundation that
has gone wrong. Of course, for forty years now, it has been a liberal
democrats goal to always raise taxes in order to support the bigger
socialistic government slowly being created for the population of
America, where the government has control of and payes for everything.
(Remember this on election day).

What is CS for? Obviously it is to make one parent poor, while the
other lives in the lap of luxury and his children are no better off
than before the marriage ended. One parent stuggles with the cost of
supporting two households, while the other lives off of the blood and
sweat with not a care in the world, nor a responsibility to anyone,
not even the children. CS has become, by the federal and state
governments own hands, a way for women to regain something for years
of abuse in their eyes, and not for the sake of the children as many
would have you to believe.

Just remember, CS is NOT for the children, but for the living of the
cp and her wildest dreams in life to live for herself while the
children starve, go unclothed, and beg for anything that they might
need and want. It is a way for the cp to become "dependently
independent", with absolutely NO accountability to anyone, not even
the government or CS agencies like the DAD's out there running amuck
trying to support themselves, their children, and the whims of their
ex spouses lounging around to make a life miserable. Not to mention
being branded and labeled(need I mention how?)

You are correct sir, in that they are denying the rights of millions of
fathers and children across the US in blatant disregard for the laws of
freedom for which this nation was founded. Unfortunately the masses in this
country are just as ignorant to what America has become in the same way as
the Germans were in the 1920s with the rise of Nazism.

I agree that the thought of Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean or any of these
left wing Marxist lunatics being in power as they are now is scary. The
Republican party however is just as responsible in selling out fathers and
has moved just as far to the left into Marxist territory that the party is
unrecognizable to its actual political platform. The myth that the
Republican party is actually conservative is a myth that only exists in the
liberal media and not in reality.

I only hope the sheeple in this country wake and realize it is time for a
major change, since both political parties are made up of global elites that
could careless about this country or of trampling the rights of the average
American.

"chillin'" wrote in message
m...
I, too, always thought it was for the raising of a child to make them
better and productive citizens of society. I guess I was wrong in
thinking this as more and more cp's are asking for ungodly amounts of
raising a child that the government is siding with them in order to
keep the children and cp's off of the welfare rolls. CS should NEVER
be used to provide such things as the cp's income should provide, or
the ncp's when living with them. These things include basic housing,
food, and other things such as clothing that the cp's income should
provide in attempting to be independent of the ncp. Each parent
should raise that child(ren) on his/her income when that child is
living with them, and if a cp wants to be truly independent, then
he/she should never ask for extra money in raising that child. If you
cannot afford the child then give them up to good homes somewhere
either with the other parent, or with a good foster home that can
afford them. If you are not mature enough to get along with a spouse,
then do not get involved in a relationship to begin with. Plain and
simply put, GROW UP first! Then you just might have the maturity it
takes to get involved in a relationship and stick it out "for better
or for worse", "in sickness and in health", "til death do us part",
assuming any of that is in your marriage vows any more.

Just like all the times in the past forty years, liberal democrats, or
whatever they call themselves now in order to hide their agenda, have
taken away the basic rights of hard working, honest parents forcing
one or the other to provide for two homes while demeaning the family
unit to nothing. I cannot wait til next year to see Hitlary Clinton
running for the office of the President of the United States and her
agenda to place all men in chains to be nothing more than slaves and
under the control of the female population, and to demeanor men once
and for all in the history of the world. She is pure evil and devious
enough to do such a feat. From her actions and words out of her own
mouth, she is the spawn of the devil himself waiting for the
acceptance of a people, and today America is ripe for Satan's
pickings. Hitlary will make ALL men pay for the hurt and pain she
alone has endured throughout her life, and the lives of countless
women alleged to have been hurt by other men. CS will more than
double, and the prisons will be filled far, far beyond capacity as
more will see prison terms for not adhering to their former spouses
demands for money and whims of living. The taxes will have to be
raised to an ungodly amount in order to house the prison populations
drastic increase, the court systems lawsuits that will be unequalled
today, and our world becomes nothing but a slave prison population
because someone disagreed with another in the marriage foundation that
has gone wrong. Of course, for forty years now, it has been a liberal
democrats goal to always raise taxes in order to support the bigger
socialistic government slowly being created for the population of
America, where the government has control of and payes for everything.
(Remember this on election day).

What is CS for? Obviously it is to make one parent poor, while the
other lives in the lap of luxury and his children are no better off
than before the marriage ended. One parent stuggles with the cost of
supporting two households, while the other lives off of the blood and
sweat with not a care in the world, nor a responsibility to anyone,
not even the children. CS has become, by the federal and state
governments own hands, a way for women to regain something for years
of abuse in their eyes, and not for the sake of the children as many
would have you to believe.

Just remember, CS is NOT for the children, but for the living of the
cp and her wildest dreams in life to live for herself while the
children starve, go unclothed, and beg for anything that they might
need and want. It is a way for the cp to become "dependently
independent", with absolutely NO accountability to anyone, not even
the government or CS agencies like the DAD's out there running amuck
trying to support themselves, their children, and the whims of their
ex spouses lounging around to make a life miserable. Not to mention
being branded and labeled(need I mention how?)

"Lecher9000" wrote in message
...
I think you have a pretty good grasp of what "child support" is. It's
hard to
believe that the U.S. a supposedly "self-reliant" and "work for your
money"
place, has come to this. It's like Communism.

It is no coincidence that it is like Communism. The Percentage-of-Income
approach has its origin in old Soviet Russian law. It was first implemented
in Wisconsin by then Republican governor and founding father of the
US-Communist child support system, Tommy Thompson.

His lead researcher, Irwin Garfinkel modeled the child support system after
social-economic policies from communist countries and repackaged them as
conservative policy. His package became "The Wisconsin Model," which became
the national model for welfare reform. It was adopted by most states after
propaganda stories of success.

Thompson now serves as HHS in the Bush administration. Fathers are clearly
not represented by either political party and desperately need to organize a
political action.

"Lecher9000" wrote in message
...
I think you have a pretty good grasp of what "child support" is. It's
hard to
believe that the U.S. a supposedly "self-reliant" and "work for your
money"
place, has come to this. It's like Communism.

It is no coincidence that it is like Communism. The Percentage-of-Income
approach has its origin in old Soviet Russian law. It was first implemented
in Wisconsin by then Republican governor and founding father of the
US-Communist child support system, Tommy Thompson.

His lead researcher, Irwin Garfinkel modeled the child support system after
social-economic policies from communist countries and repackaged them as
conservative policy. His package became "The Wisconsin Model," which became
the national model for welfare reform. It was adopted by most states after
propaganda stories of success.

Thompson now serves as HHS in the Bush administration. Fathers are clearly
not represented by either political party and desperately need to organize a
political action.

"chillin'" wrote in message
m...

What is CS for? Obviously it is to make one parent poor, while the
other lives in the lap of luxury and his children are no better off
than before the marriage ended. One parent stuggles with the cost of
supporting two households, while the other lives off of the blood and
sweat with not a care in the world, nor a responsibility to anyone,
not even the children. CS has become, by the federal and state
governments own hands, a way for women to regain something for years
of abuse in their eyes, and not for the sake of the children as many
would have you to believe.

Your perception is reality for the majority of cases. It seems that CS was
created based on the expectation that the cp (typically the woman) would not
work or earned at a lower level than the cp (typically the man). This model
died out years ago and the real concern I have is that the amount of support
is based solely on the ncp's income. In a marriage the funds available are
based upon the shared income. CS really should be balanced to factor in both
incomes.

There seems to be little forgiveness for bad luck, falling on bad times
where income doesn't exist. In a marriage hard times are dealt with as a
team yet judges and governments feel the ncp is cheating the cp by not
working. The unfortunate thing is that some people set the stage for this by
doing just that. They quit, or get themselves fired and do all they can to
evade the responsibility to pay CS.

There's a prejudice towards NCPs because of those NCPs that do everything in
thier power to avoid paying a reasonable amount, in time the reasonable
amount has become unreasonable. The Child-support guidelines and the systems
that support it are geared toward dealing with "deadbeats" that don't want
to pay. There's a need for the system, for those people who can't face the
responsibility and those people are the people Ms. Hilary Clinton is angry
at. The problem lies in the prejudice she holds or fuels that all NCPs are
criminals.

The tax payer will not stand for an increased cost to the system that
ensures payments, the system itself needs a social-worker aspect, a family
counsellor aspect, tha can work with both parents to ensure the parents are
being parents and splitting the parental duties fairly. The Child
Support/Custody Order should be passed to this organisation and the funds be
pooled for child-care. Income, be it from welfare, unemployment insurance,
interest, or a job, should be considered on both sides. Too often the CP
considers the children as posessions, but this is another area of
discussion. If the system was run effectively enough it might be considered
a goverment run bank. The income from both parents is funneled into this
"bank", the transfers are adjusted to separate the child-care base-amount
into a pooled "account" then the paycheck is passed on to the respective
parent's real bank. This only accomodates direct-deposit workers, the
extension of this would be complete integration with banking systems where
any deposit would be re-routed through this system.

This sounds huge, and orwellian to many I'm certain some of you are cursing
about my suggestion. The key is that accountability is in place. If CP lives
in a $2000/month home and lives off welfare, with undisclosed income
sources, the social worker is responsible for adjusting the formula. The
possibility of crooked social-workers is possible so you need a supervisor
structure and a simple method for a NCP to raise the flag if there's
something wrong. The cost of this would be huge but rather than have the
tax-payer cover this, a small percentage of the net income of both parties
pays for it. Suppose that the combined income for August was $3000, The
amount of CS might be $500, the CS surcharge might be an additional $60 to
150. The reality is that the CP made $1000 and the NCP made $2000, He paid
2/3 of the $500 (333.33) and she paid the remainder ($166.5). Same goes for
the surcharge, $40 and $20 respectively. Oh, BTW... The $500 is based on
some guideline, but it's realistic and shared. The $500 would still go to
the CP but the NCP could file costs against it for reasonable expenses. The
social worker has the say.

The Social Worker is expensive, If I estimate a social worker's wage at
$20/hour, The surcharge would cover 36 hours. There may be additional
charges for social-worker involvement, say the system allows 15-20 hours of
assistance included in the service. Anything more would be chargable with
the option bank hours year-to-year. Less problems, less cost? They might get
a credit when they fisih the CS process.

These are just ideas... comments are welcome, but fairness is expected.

Papa