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The root of all evil
In article , Deserted Dad says...
witchwirsen wrote: Wow, I didn't even know that Google had message boards, just stumbled upon this accidentally the other night. rest of ignorant flamebait bulls**t snipped This post has to be a joke....has to be. Nobody is this clueless. ==== Except....Pammie. ==== ==== Lady, if by some chance you are real and not a troll, you seriously need to bend over and kiss your own ass, because you sure as hell aren't even worthy enough to kiss mine. --- The Deserted Dad |
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The root of all evil
In article , Deserted Dad says...
witchwirsen wrote: Wow, I didn't even know that Google had message boards, just stumbled upon this accidentally the other night. rest of ignorant flamebait bulls**t snipped This post has to be a joke....has to be. Nobody is this clueless. ==== Except....Pammie. ==== ==== Lady, if by some chance you are real and not a troll, you seriously need to bend over and kiss your own ass, because you sure as hell aren't even worthy enough to kiss mine. --- The Deserted Dad |
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The root of all evil
In article , Deserted Dad says...
witchwirsen wrote: Wow, I didn't even know that Google had message boards, just stumbled upon this accidentally the other night. rest of ignorant flamebait bulls**t snipped This post has to be a joke....has to be. Nobody is this clueless. ==== Except....Pammie. ==== ==== Lady, if by some chance you are real and not a troll, you seriously need to bend over and kiss your own ass, because you sure as hell aren't even worthy enough to kiss mine. --- The Deserted Dad |
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The root of all evil
"witchwirsen" wrote in message m... I, myself, raised two children as well. I left thier father when they were infants. I never even filed for child support. Neither did I ever receive child support. The father who so wanted those children never offered it either. ----------------- Okay so that guy got lucky that you are a strong woman who doesn't play the victim and doesn't feel entitled to welfare. -------------- I don't see any gray area in this issue. It takes two cells to create a child. One must come from a male source, one from a female source. If a woman does not want children she will generally use some form of birth control. I have never known of a woman relying on a man to prevent a pregnancy. ---------------- So all the women who claim to have 'accidently' gotten pregnant are full of crap because if they didn't want to get pg they would have used birth control. Actually I knew that already. ---------------- If a man wishes to avoid creating a life he simply trusts that the female has taken measures to prevent pregnancy and goes about things in the usual way. I would be more convinced that a man was serious about not wanting children were he to subject himself to vasectomy, use condoms, etc (yes, there is a male 'pill' now on the market) ------------ Where?! Show me where they are actually marketing male bc pills in the USA. ------------ .. In extreme cases, when a man is very very certain that he can reproduce and wishes not to he will refrain from having intercourse altogether. I've dated responsible men who did exactly that and I respect them greatly. There still stands the issue of accidental pregnancy that is unwanted by either one or both of the parents. Of course, a man could never be expected to understand the need of a woman to raise a child that resided in her body for almost a full year, and I wouldn't expect them to and in those cases I say if the father does not want to care for the child, the best thing you can do as a woman for your child is simply ask for the father to relinquish his rights and raise the child on your own. ----------------- Oh the courts will let a man 'relenquish' his rights but they will still make him pay child support. ---------- If your main concern is caring for a child you love then do not subject that child to interaction with a father that will only make him/her feel unwanted and unloved. If you are a father who was in a relationship that produced children and then decided when the relationship was over that you no longer cared for the child/children then I say tough ****. You can't be a parent one day and then decide the next day that you don't want to be a parent. In both cases you are dealing with a life. A life that you created, a life that you are responsible for. If one parent is too selfish, too stingy, too childish, too assinine to care for the child then you can take it upon yourself to be the adult in the situation and do the right thing. It won't hurt, I promise. And the less you cry and whine about it the better of a human being you will be. Honest injun. Then there are the people who feel they are being taken to the cleaners when it woud never really cost what you are paying in support to care for a child. To those people I sat this...some of you are being railroaded. Some of you are simply selfish *******s. If you make $120k per year, and you pay even $20k of that to child support you are providing for your child. ------------- HA! Try 50 to 65% of a mans NET income!! If the mother doesn't use the money for what is intended I suggest you take some of that $100k you have left and hire an attorney to petition the courts to grant your child a guaridian to disperse those funds for your childs needs appropriately. ------------- Oh rriiigghhht! That'll work. NOT. A woman does NOT have to spend a dime of cs on the child. ------------- If that doesn't turn some heads then get a lower paying job until your child reaches maturity. It would just mean that much less 'extra' for your ex to spend. ------------- What planet are you from??!! A man CAN'T get a lower paying job in order to reduce cs. Hell a man can't even get his cs lowered if he loses his job through no fault of his own. ------------ Lastly, I would like to say this...grow up. You can't live the rest of your lives being little kids who can't tell the difference between right and wrong. Temper tantrums get you nowhere. Bitching like a girl on a message board get you nothing. Consider what is the right thing to do, then get off your ass and do it. Take into account that you are responsible for your own actions, whether that be not paying our court ordered child support, or negligently reproducing a child that you don't care for. Then, after you take those factors into account, do what you have to do, there are many more ways that you could be 'paying' for the things that you have done...personally I believe that putting out cash for a few years is the least devastating way to pay. -------------- Well most of the men here have no problem supporting their children. What they do have a problem with are some of the things I mentioned above. Child support has absolutely NOTHING to do with raising children. The government could care less if it actually gets spent on the kids. They only care that the $$ passes through the system so that the states can get huge sums of $$ from the federal government. See you've fallen for the line that cs is 'for the children' which it's not, never was. Oh and I like to read about the woes of irresponsible women who haphazardly let any men they find appealing leave their reproductive cells in their receptacle. And then when the appeal wears off they whine about having to provide support to the life they created. But wait! Women have more choices than that! Once the appeal wears off they can 1) go to planned parenthood and get the morning after pill 2) go to planned parenthood and get RU486 3) get an abortion 4) give birth and give it up for adoption 5) give birth, play mommy for a couple days and drop the kid off at a hospital or firestation. Mens choice ends at having to provide support to moomy for the next 18+ years. ~AZ~ |
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The root of all evil
"witchwirsen" wrote in message m... I, myself, raised two children as well. I left thier father when they were infants. I never even filed for child support. Neither did I ever receive child support. The father who so wanted those children never offered it either. ----------------- Okay so that guy got lucky that you are a strong woman who doesn't play the victim and doesn't feel entitled to welfare. -------------- I don't see any gray area in this issue. It takes two cells to create a child. One must come from a male source, one from a female source. If a woman does not want children she will generally use some form of birth control. I have never known of a woman relying on a man to prevent a pregnancy. ---------------- So all the women who claim to have 'accidently' gotten pregnant are full of crap because if they didn't want to get pg they would have used birth control. Actually I knew that already. ---------------- If a man wishes to avoid creating a life he simply trusts that the female has taken measures to prevent pregnancy and goes about things in the usual way. I would be more convinced that a man was serious about not wanting children were he to subject himself to vasectomy, use condoms, etc (yes, there is a male 'pill' now on the market) ------------ Where?! Show me where they are actually marketing male bc pills in the USA. ------------ .. In extreme cases, when a man is very very certain that he can reproduce and wishes not to he will refrain from having intercourse altogether. I've dated responsible men who did exactly that and I respect them greatly. There still stands the issue of accidental pregnancy that is unwanted by either one or both of the parents. Of course, a man could never be expected to understand the need of a woman to raise a child that resided in her body for almost a full year, and I wouldn't expect them to and in those cases I say if the father does not want to care for the child, the best thing you can do as a woman for your child is simply ask for the father to relinquish his rights and raise the child on your own. ----------------- Oh the courts will let a man 'relenquish' his rights but they will still make him pay child support. ---------- If your main concern is caring for a child you love then do not subject that child to interaction with a father that will only make him/her feel unwanted and unloved. If you are a father who was in a relationship that produced children and then decided when the relationship was over that you no longer cared for the child/children then I say tough ****. You can't be a parent one day and then decide the next day that you don't want to be a parent. In both cases you are dealing with a life. A life that you created, a life that you are responsible for. If one parent is too selfish, too stingy, too childish, too assinine to care for the child then you can take it upon yourself to be the adult in the situation and do the right thing. It won't hurt, I promise. And the less you cry and whine about it the better of a human being you will be. Honest injun. Then there are the people who feel they are being taken to the cleaners when it woud never really cost what you are paying in support to care for a child. To those people I sat this...some of you are being railroaded. Some of you are simply selfish *******s. If you make $120k per year, and you pay even $20k of that to child support you are providing for your child. ------------- HA! Try 50 to 65% of a mans NET income!! If the mother doesn't use the money for what is intended I suggest you take some of that $100k you have left and hire an attorney to petition the courts to grant your child a guaridian to disperse those funds for your childs needs appropriately. ------------- Oh rriiigghhht! That'll work. NOT. A woman does NOT have to spend a dime of cs on the child. ------------- If that doesn't turn some heads then get a lower paying job until your child reaches maturity. It would just mean that much less 'extra' for your ex to spend. ------------- What planet are you from??!! A man CAN'T get a lower paying job in order to reduce cs. Hell a man can't even get his cs lowered if he loses his job through no fault of his own. ------------ Lastly, I would like to say this...grow up. You can't live the rest of your lives being little kids who can't tell the difference between right and wrong. Temper tantrums get you nowhere. Bitching like a girl on a message board get you nothing. Consider what is the right thing to do, then get off your ass and do it. Take into account that you are responsible for your own actions, whether that be not paying our court ordered child support, or negligently reproducing a child that you don't care for. Then, after you take those factors into account, do what you have to do, there are many more ways that you could be 'paying' for the things that you have done...personally I believe that putting out cash for a few years is the least devastating way to pay. -------------- Well most of the men here have no problem supporting their children. What they do have a problem with are some of the things I mentioned above. Child support has absolutely NOTHING to do with raising children. The government could care less if it actually gets spent on the kids. They only care that the $$ passes through the system so that the states can get huge sums of $$ from the federal government. See you've fallen for the line that cs is 'for the children' which it's not, never was. Oh and I like to read about the woes of irresponsible women who haphazardly let any men they find appealing leave their reproductive cells in their receptacle. And then when the appeal wears off they whine about having to provide support to the life they created. But wait! Women have more choices than that! Once the appeal wears off they can 1) go to planned parenthood and get the morning after pill 2) go to planned parenthood and get RU486 3) get an abortion 4) give birth and give it up for adoption 5) give birth, play mommy for a couple days and drop the kid off at a hospital or firestation. Mens choice ends at having to provide support to moomy for the next 18+ years. ~AZ~ |
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The root of all evil
"witchwirsen" wrote in message m... I, myself, raised two children as well. I left thier father when they were infants. I never even filed for child support. Neither did I ever receive child support. The father who so wanted those children never offered it either. ----------------- Okay so that guy got lucky that you are a strong woman who doesn't play the victim and doesn't feel entitled to welfare. -------------- I don't see any gray area in this issue. It takes two cells to create a child. One must come from a male source, one from a female source. If a woman does not want children she will generally use some form of birth control. I have never known of a woman relying on a man to prevent a pregnancy. ---------------- So all the women who claim to have 'accidently' gotten pregnant are full of crap because if they didn't want to get pg they would have used birth control. Actually I knew that already. ---------------- If a man wishes to avoid creating a life he simply trusts that the female has taken measures to prevent pregnancy and goes about things in the usual way. I would be more convinced that a man was serious about not wanting children were he to subject himself to vasectomy, use condoms, etc (yes, there is a male 'pill' now on the market) ------------ Where?! Show me where they are actually marketing male bc pills in the USA. ------------ .. In extreme cases, when a man is very very certain that he can reproduce and wishes not to he will refrain from having intercourse altogether. I've dated responsible men who did exactly that and I respect them greatly. There still stands the issue of accidental pregnancy that is unwanted by either one or both of the parents. Of course, a man could never be expected to understand the need of a woman to raise a child that resided in her body for almost a full year, and I wouldn't expect them to and in those cases I say if the father does not want to care for the child, the best thing you can do as a woman for your child is simply ask for the father to relinquish his rights and raise the child on your own. ----------------- Oh the courts will let a man 'relenquish' his rights but they will still make him pay child support. ---------- If your main concern is caring for a child you love then do not subject that child to interaction with a father that will only make him/her feel unwanted and unloved. If you are a father who was in a relationship that produced children and then decided when the relationship was over that you no longer cared for the child/children then I say tough ****. You can't be a parent one day and then decide the next day that you don't want to be a parent. In both cases you are dealing with a life. A life that you created, a life that you are responsible for. If one parent is too selfish, too stingy, too childish, too assinine to care for the child then you can take it upon yourself to be the adult in the situation and do the right thing. It won't hurt, I promise. And the less you cry and whine about it the better of a human being you will be. Honest injun. Then there are the people who feel they are being taken to the cleaners when it woud never really cost what you are paying in support to care for a child. To those people I sat this...some of you are being railroaded. Some of you are simply selfish *******s. If you make $120k per year, and you pay even $20k of that to child support you are providing for your child. ------------- HA! Try 50 to 65% of a mans NET income!! If the mother doesn't use the money for what is intended I suggest you take some of that $100k you have left and hire an attorney to petition the courts to grant your child a guaridian to disperse those funds for your childs needs appropriately. ------------- Oh rriiigghhht! That'll work. NOT. A woman does NOT have to spend a dime of cs on the child. ------------- If that doesn't turn some heads then get a lower paying job until your child reaches maturity. It would just mean that much less 'extra' for your ex to spend. ------------- What planet are you from??!! A man CAN'T get a lower paying job in order to reduce cs. Hell a man can't even get his cs lowered if he loses his job through no fault of his own. ------------ Lastly, I would like to say this...grow up. You can't live the rest of your lives being little kids who can't tell the difference between right and wrong. Temper tantrums get you nowhere. Bitching like a girl on a message board get you nothing. Consider what is the right thing to do, then get off your ass and do it. Take into account that you are responsible for your own actions, whether that be not paying our court ordered child support, or negligently reproducing a child that you don't care for. Then, after you take those factors into account, do what you have to do, there are many more ways that you could be 'paying' for the things that you have done...personally I believe that putting out cash for a few years is the least devastating way to pay. -------------- Well most of the men here have no problem supporting their children. What they do have a problem with are some of the things I mentioned above. Child support has absolutely NOTHING to do with raising children. The government could care less if it actually gets spent on the kids. They only care that the $$ passes through the system so that the states can get huge sums of $$ from the federal government. See you've fallen for the line that cs is 'for the children' which it's not, never was. Oh and I like to read about the woes of irresponsible women who haphazardly let any men they find appealing leave their reproductive cells in their receptacle. And then when the appeal wears off they whine about having to provide support to the life they created. But wait! Women have more choices than that! Once the appeal wears off they can 1) go to planned parenthood and get the morning after pill 2) go to planned parenthood and get RU486 3) get an abortion 4) give birth and give it up for adoption 5) give birth, play mommy for a couple days and drop the kid off at a hospital or firestation. Mens choice ends at having to provide support to moomy for the next 18+ years. ~AZ~ |
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The root of all evil
"AZ Astrea" wrote in message ... Oh and I like to read about the woes of irresponsible women who haphazardly let any men they find appealing leave their reproductive cells in their receptacle. And then when the appeal wears off they whine about having to provide support to the life they created. But wait! Women have more choices than that! Once the appeal wears off they can 1) go to planned parenthood and get the morning after pill 2) go to planned parenthood and get RU486 3) get an abortion 4) give birth and give it up for adoption 5) give birth, play mommy for a couple days and drop the kid off at a hospital or firestation. You left out the first line of defense - Women can inject themselves with an over the counter spermicide like Gynol II or other spermicide based product to kill any active sperm in their "receptacle" before they go to PP for Plan B, RU486, pill based abortion, or medical abortion. |
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The root of all evil
"AZ Astrea" wrote in message ... Oh and I like to read about the woes of irresponsible women who haphazardly let any men they find appealing leave their reproductive cells in their receptacle. And then when the appeal wears off they whine about having to provide support to the life they created. But wait! Women have more choices than that! Once the appeal wears off they can 1) go to planned parenthood and get the morning after pill 2) go to planned parenthood and get RU486 3) get an abortion 4) give birth and give it up for adoption 5) give birth, play mommy for a couple days and drop the kid off at a hospital or firestation. You left out the first line of defense - Women can inject themselves with an over the counter spermicide like Gynol II or other spermicide based product to kill any active sperm in their "receptacle" before they go to PP for Plan B, RU486, pill based abortion, or medical abortion. |
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The root of all evil
"AZ Astrea" wrote in message ... Oh and I like to read about the woes of irresponsible women who haphazardly let any men they find appealing leave their reproductive cells in their receptacle. And then when the appeal wears off they whine about having to provide support to the life they created. But wait! Women have more choices than that! Once the appeal wears off they can 1) go to planned parenthood and get the morning after pill 2) go to planned parenthood and get RU486 3) get an abortion 4) give birth and give it up for adoption 5) give birth, play mommy for a couple days and drop the kid off at a hospital or firestation. You left out the first line of defense - Women can inject themselves with an over the counter spermicide like Gynol II or other spermicide based product to kill any active sperm in their "receptacle" before they go to PP for Plan B, RU486, pill based abortion, or medical abortion. |
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The root of all evil
"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ink.net... "AZ Astrea" wrote in message ... Oh and I like to read about the woes of irresponsible women who haphazardly let any men they find appealing leave their reproductive cells in their receptacle. And then when the appeal wears off they whine about having to provide support to the life they created. But wait! Women have more choices than that! Once the appeal wears off they can 1) go to planned parenthood and get the morning after pill 2) go to planned parenthood and get RU486 3) get an abortion 4) give birth and give it up for adoption 5) give birth, play mommy for a couple days and drop the kid off at a hospital or firestation. You left out the first line of defense - Women can inject themselves with an over the counter spermicide like Gynol II or other spermicide based product to kill any active sperm in their "receptacle" before they go to PP for Plan B, RU486, pill based abortion, or medical abortion. ------------- Of course! I just thought that goes without saying. And don't forget the female condom! (I always thought the fem con looked ridiculous, and weirdly loose.) ~AZ~ |
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