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More U.S. Children Vaccinated Than Ever
"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message et... "Peter Bowditch" wrote And wasn't Roger the mathematician who helped the AAPS prove that when you compare 1/5,000 with 3/10,000 the answer is 1/30 because 1/5,000 (the measured value) is really 1/100,000? This appears to be an obscure reference to the analysis that caused the rotavirus vaccine to be withdrawn from the market. Maybe you were not persuaded, but the FDA, CDC, and the vaccine maker were all persuaded, and the rotavirus vaccine is still off the market. Actually, the FDA and CDC felt that the vaccine should be temporarily withdrawn while the situation is more carefully evaluated. The vaccine maker withdrew the vaccine and kept it off the market because of liability concerns. Jeff |
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"Jeff Utz" wrote
Of the ACIP working group, many were representatives of physicians specialty groups (peds, Ob/gyn, internal medicine, family practice, infectious diseases), one was health plan organization representative, one a drug company group representative, some worked for the CDC. Seems pretty well rounded to me. No, it is not well rounded, because they are all drug company stooges. I'd like to see: 1 member nominated by AAPS. 1 member nominated by NVIC. 1 member who is a non-medical scientist with expertise in policy and risk analysis. Several members who are demonstrably untainted by drug money. At least 1 member who is appropriately skeptical of confidential drug company data. 1 member representing the public at large. |
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"Jeff Utz" wrote
Really? Could it be that there is more than on maker of certain vaccines, .... Sure. Who makes the AAP endorsements? The editor of the Journal? Or a committee of pediatricians who are experts on infectious disease? Actually, the AAP just rubberstamps the CDC/ACIP schedule. This is the original message to which Roger is posting is below. Note how he convinently snipped off his prior claim that drug makers don't advertise vaccines. Huhh? Your quotes do not back you up. Mark said: Hmmm.so that explains why we see ads in magazines, and on TV, for the latter, but not for vaccines? I said (with typos corrected): The drug companies don't need to place a lot of ads for their vaccines, because they lobby the gubmnt to mandate the vaccine. Why advertise if people don't have a choice anyway? Neither of us said that there are no vaccine ads anywhere at all. |
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"Beth" wrote
Well, realistically, I don't think it's possible to assemble a completely unbiased group of experts about anything. That's right, but it is possible to make sure that diverse points of view are represented, and to have open meetings. The combination of those things tell me that this committee is trying hard to prevent others from scrutinizing their work. Understandable, no one likes their work scrutinized, but its part and parcel of being on a committee that gets to set public policy. That's why we have open meeting laws and require conflict of interest statements to be on file. Not allowing the public access to such documentation seems very suspicious to me. I begin to wonder, what are they hiding? Yes. Right. They are hiding weaknesses in their case for vaccine mandates. |
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In article ,
Mark Probert wrote: Roger Schlafly wrote: The lower marketing expenses for vaccines makes them more profitable, not less. Just like supplements, herbs, chiropractic, etc. BTW, they do not have to advertise, since there is no competition. Now that Mark has made it clear that he was referring to vaccines, not supplements, I must point out that he's incorrect; there are competing vaccines of some types. For those who'd like to know which vaccines still have thimerosal in them, and how much, see this link: http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT) |
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In , Beth wrote:
First, I have difficulty believing that there are NO experts without financial ties to vaccine manufacturers. It's possible that such experts are few and far between, but I doubt they are non-existant. My take on it, especially after having read a few threads on vaccination, is that anyone who doesn't support the current CDC policy wholeheartly is considered to be anti-vaccination. If the same attitude is present within the administration of the CDC, I would guess that such a person would not be considered for inclusion on the committee. The problem with all of this "vested interest" smokescreen is that it starts from the premise that *any* connection to *any* pharmaceutical corporation at any time automatically makes the person in question a mindless slave to *all* pharmaceutical corporations for all time. Even were the "influence" supposition correct, the companies involved are more often bitter rivals than allies. -- | Microsoft: "A reputation for releasing inferior software will make | | it more difficult for a software vendor to induce customers to pay | | for new products or new versions of existing products." | end |
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"D. C. Sessions" wrote
The problem with all of this "vested interest" smokescreen is that it starts from the premise that *any* connection to *any* pharmaceutical corporation at any time automatically makes the person in question a mindless slave to *all* pharmaceutical corporations for all time. Whose premise is that? I do get worried when they say that the only people who can be found to support the ACIP policy are those who have been paid off by the vaccine lobby. |
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"Roger Schlafly" wrote:
"Jeff Utz" wrote Of the ACIP working group, many were representatives of physicians specialty groups (peds, Ob/gyn, internal medicine, family practice, infectious diseases), one was health plan organization representative, one a drug company group representative, some worked for the CDC. Seems pretty well rounded to me. No, it is not well rounded, because they are all drug company stooges. Proof please? Tsu -- To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Jules Henri Poincaré |
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