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Old April 15th 04, 07:49 PM
Bob
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Jake Waskett wrote:
Bob wrote:


Jake Waskett wrote:

Bob wrote:



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What is this obsession with pain!? Can you
find me one child who has gone through life unscathed!? Does a child's
life end, simply because he scrapes his knee in a playground!? LOL!
Skin is also removed, remember!? Yes, life would be wonderful, if we
could all eliminate pain. LOL! Unfortunately, life itself is painful!
We all experience pain (physical & emotional) - no matter what the age
- with or without circumcision! Believe me, circumcision doesn't have
the market cornered on pain! LOL! DOH!


So you argue that it's acceptable to hurt children, violent sexual
mutilation, because all children will be hurt sometime during their life?


Bob, we're not talking about violent sexual mutilation; we're talking
about a simple, beneficial operation. Pleas don't try to confuse the
issue.

Jake.


Your lies don't make a sows ear into a silk purse. You are talking
about the violent sexual mutilation of innocent little children.



No, Bob, I'm not. I'm sorry that you have this delusion, but you are sadly
mistaken.


No, Jake, you're a psychosexual pervert who wants to cut up the sex
organs of little children. You are sadly mistaken. Your lies don't
disguise the heinous malevolence of the thing you want to do.


Why is it that you feel the need to create such an apocalyptic take on such
a simple, straightforward operation?


Why is it that you feel the need to do such violent sexual torture to
innocent little children?




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  #122  
Old April 15th 04, 08:52 PM
Jake Waskett
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Bob wrote:

Jake Waskett wrote:
Bob wrote:


Jake Waskett wrote:

Bob wrote:



wrote:


What is this obsession with pain!? Can you
find me one child who has gone through life unscathed!? Does a child's
life end, simply because he scrapes his knee in a playground!? LOL!
Skin is also removed, remember!? Yes, life would be wonderful, if we
could all eliminate pain. LOL! Unfortunately, life itself is painful!
We all experience pain (physical & emotional) - no matter what the age
- with or without circumcision! Believe me, circumcision doesn't have
the market cornered on pain! LOL! DOH!


So you argue that it's acceptable to hurt children, violent sexual
mutilation, because all children will be hurt sometime during their
life?


Bob, we're not talking about violent sexual mutilation; we're talking
about a simple, beneficial operation. Pleas don't try to confuse the
issue.

Jake.

Your lies don't make a sows ear into a silk purse. You are talking
about the violent sexual mutilation of innocent little children.



No, Bob, I'm not. I'm sorry that you have this delusion, but you are
sadly mistaken.


No, Jake, you're a psychosexual pervert who wants to cut up the sex
organs of little children. You are sadly mistaken. Your lies don't
disguise the heinous malevolence of the thing you want to do.


Well, at least you have a sense of humour, Bob.



Why is it that you feel the need to create such an apocalyptic take on
such a simple, straightforward operation?


Why is it that you feel the need to do such violent sexual torture to
innocent little children?


I don't feel such a need, Bob. Do you?

Jake.
  #123  
Old April 16th 04, 02:03 AM
kavking
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There is all this talk about the foreskin being a harbinger of disease
with the studies to back it up.

Cites, please?

And you know that word...harbinger? I do not think it means what you

think
it means.

--angela


http://www.medicirc.com/meditopics/medicirc_topics.html

http://www.medicirc.com/medicirc_references.html


I do not find his arguments convincing. In fact, his examples of 'proof'
that the anti-circumcision activists are all misguided look....gee, pretty
sane to me. Some of those quotes were even from peer-reviewed medical
journals, claiming no health benefit to routine infant circumcision....and
yet somehow the author of the web site uses them as proof that anti-circ
folks are all misguided.


And he also has a disclaimer for his 'data'

"Disclaimer: The contents of MediCirc as furnished by Dr. Schoen are
for informational purposes only. Do not rely on this information for
diagnoses or treatment. It is recommended that you visit a qualified
health care professional for individual and personal attention. Links
to third party websites are provided solely as a convenience and do
not apply any association, sponsorship, endorsement, approved of or
responsibility for the linked site or its content. The opinions of Dr.
Schoen do not represent the position or policy of any organization."

In other words, he wants to sell you a circumcision.



You also might want to look at the other side of the argument.
http://207.68.164.250/cgi-bin/linkrd...6835192604 18


"INFANT BEHAVIORAL RESPONSE
Advocates
This aspect of circumcision is not discussed by advocates.

Critics
Various studies have found that short-term effects of circumcision
include changed sleep patterns, activity level, and mother-infant
interaction, more irritability, and disruptions in feeding and bonding
[2]. "

What, advocates of circumcision don't want to discuss how this affects
babies?
Why not?

"URINARY TRACT INFECTION (UTI)
Advocates
According to a meta-analysis, circumcision reduced the risk of
developing UTI in the first year of life by a factor of 12, and the
absolute risk of an intact (not circumcised) boy developing UTI was
approximately 1 in 100 [10].

Critics
The methodology for studies claiming that circumcision reduces the
risk of UTI complicates making any conclusion [11]. They do not
account for confounding variables such as breastfeeding [12], urine
collection method [13], definition of UTI [14], and rooming in [15].
For a rate of 1%, 100 boys would have to be circumcised to prevent one
UTI, which might be prevented by breastfeeding or rooming in. A
Japanese study of 603 boys who were not circumcised did not find one
case of UTI [16]. This further suggests methodological problems with
attempts to claim a strong association. UTI is easily treatable with
antibiotics [17].

PENILE CANCER
Advocates
Reports of several case series noted a strong association between lack
of circumcision and penile cancer [18]. Advocates believe that
"invasive penile cancer could be virtually eliminated in the United
States by routine newborn circumcision" (p. 621) [19].

Critics
There are no American studies of the incidence of penile cancer and
its association with circumcision status. Penile cancer is rare, and
the estimated American incidence is about 1 per 100,000 [20]. In other
developed countries where circumcision is rare, such as Denmark and
Norway, the incidence of penile cancer is lower than the estimated
American rate [21, 22]. Penile cancer occurs generally in elderly men
[20]. Therefore, a male may make a decision to be circumcised when he
is older without losing this claimed benefit.

SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASES
Advocates
Based on a meta-analysis of published studies, intact men had
approximately 3 times the relative risk for HIV infection and
increased risk for genital ulcer disease [23]. (Many HIV studies were
done in Africa.) A review article concluded that intact men were 2 to
8 times more likely to become infected with HIV [24]. Circumcision
reduced the risk of genital ulcer disease, including syphilis and
chancroid [23].

Critics
Studies are conflicting for each sexually transmitted disease [25].
Sexually transmitted diseases and circumcision involve behavior,
hygiene practices, culture, and religion, and it is impossible to
control all the confounding variables that affect sexual behavior and
circumcision status. Circumcision may increase the risk of developing
gonorrhea and chlamydia. "Based on the studies published to date,
recommending routine circumcision as a prophylactic measure to prevent
HIV infection in Africa or elsewhere, is scientifically unfounded" (p.
16) [26]. In a study on transmission rates of HIV from infected males
to uninfected females and from infected females to uninfected males in
Uganda, the authors found that circumcision status was not a
significant factor in the risk of transmission [27]. Sexually
transmitted diseases obviously cannot be transmitted until an
individual engages in sexual activity. Therefore, a male may make a
decision to be circumcised when he is older without losing this
claimed benefit. "

Hmmm.
And what of condoms? Properly used condoms keep circumcised and
uncircumcised men from getting stds. Circumcision alone, of couse,
will not.

"SEXUAL AND PSYCHOLOGICAL EFFECTS
Advocates
In a national survey, circumcised men reported less sexual dysfunction
than intact men [28]. Women prefer circumcised sexual partners [29].
Psychological effects are not recognized.

Critics
The difference in reported sexual dysfunction above is not
statistically significant [30]. The Williamson study consists of
young, Midwestern, 98% white mothers. They live in an area of the
country with the highest circumcision rate, and 78% of the group had
no experience with intact men.

In a more recent survey, women with longer dual experience preferred
anatomically complete men overwhelmingly to circumcised men [31].
Without the foreskin to provide a movable sleeve of skin, intercourse
with a circumcised penis resulted in decreased vaginal secretions,
more vaginal discomfort, harder and deeper thrusting of the partner,
less chance of having an orgasm, less frequent orgasms, less frequent
multiple orgasms, and shorter duration of coitus."

Well, well, well.

"Circumcision results in a significant loss [32]. The foreskin is an
integral, normal part of the penis. It protects the head of the penis
and is comprised of unique zones with several kinds of specialized
nerves that are important to optimum sexual sensitivity. Investigators
found that circumcision removes about one-half of the erogenous tissue
on the penile shaft. The foreskin on the average adult male is about
12 square inches of highly erogenous tissue [33]. Men circumcised as
adults reported a significant loss of sensitivity [34].

A description of the complex nerve structure of the penis explains why
anesthetics provide incomplete pain relief during circumcision [35].
Cutting off the foreskin removes many fine-touch receptors from the
penis and results in thickening and desensitization of the glans outer
layer. The complex anatomy and function of the foreskin dictate that
circumcision should be avoided or deferred until the person can make
an informed decision as an adult.

In a national survey, circumcised men reported they were more likely
to engage in masturbation, heterosexual oral sex, and anal sex than
intact men [28]. The result suggests that circumcised men seek
alternative forms of stimulation to compensate for reduced
sensitivity.

A poll of circumcised men described adverse outcomes on men's health
and well-being [36]. Findings showed wide-ranging physical, sexual,
and psychological consequences. Some respondents reported prominent
scarring and excessive skin loss. Sexual consequences included
progressive loss of sensitivity and sexual dysfunction. Emotional
distress followed the realization that they were missing a functioning
part of their penis. Low-self esteem, resentment, avoidance of
intimacy, and depression were also noted. Male satisfaction with
circumcision depended on knowledge about circumcision. The more men
knew, the more likely they were to be dissatisfied. They wished they
had a choice.

Circumcision is traumatic, and the long-term psychological effects of
circumcision are similar to the long-term effects of trauma [37].
Using four case examples that were typical among his clients, a
practicing psychiatrist presented clinical findings regarding the
serious and sometimes disabling long-term somatic, emotional, and
psychological consequences of infant circumcision in adult men [38].
These consequences resembled complex post-traumatic stress disorder
and emerged during psychotherapy focused on the resolution of
perinatal and developmental trauma. Adult symptoms associated with
circumcision trauma included shyness, anger, fear, powerlessness,
distrust, low self-esteem, relationship difficulties, and sexual
shame.

ETHICS
Advocates
Ethical issues are not discussed by advocates. "

Again, babies don't have rights that should be debated as to whether
this is ethical or not? Why not?

Critics
When circumcision is performed, it does not treat any disease, injury,
or other health problem. Since there is no urgency to do it, it must
be delayed until the child is old enough to make the decision for
himself [39].

Circumcision violates a major principle of medical practice: First, do
no harm. It also violates all seven principles of medical ethics [40].
Some doctors and nurses refuse to perform or assist with circumcisions
because of ethical considerations [41, 42]. They have organized to
form Doctors Opposing Circumcision and Nurses for the Rights of the
Child [43, 44].

The AAP Committee on Bioethics report states, "Pediatric health care
providers. . . have legal and ethical duties to their child patients
to render competent medical care based on what the patient needs, not
what someone else expresses. . . .[T]he pediatrician's
responsibilities to his or her patient exist independent of parental
desires or proxy consent" (p. 315) [45]. See also General Circumcision
Information and Response to American Academy of Pediatrics Policy
Statement.




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I think my doctors probably check your singular doc, don't they.
Try again.
K
  #124  
Old April 17th 04, 11:07 AM
Jake Waskett
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kavking wrote:

"Chotii" wrote in message
...
"karen hill" wrote in message
m...
"Chotii" wrote in message

...
"karen hill" wrote in message
om...
There is all this talk about the foreskin being a harbinger of
disease with the studies to back it up.

Cites, please?

And you know that word...harbinger? I do not think it means what you

think
it means.

--angela

http://www.medicirc.com/meditopics/medicirc_topics.html

http://www.medicirc.com/medicirc_references.html


I do not find his arguments convincing. In fact, his examples of 'proof'
that the anti-circumcision activists are all misguided look....gee,
pretty
sane to me. Some of those quotes were even from peer-reviewed medical
journals, claiming no health benefit to routine infant
circumcision....and yet somehow the author of the web site uses them as
proof that anti-circ folks are all misguided.


And he also has a disclaimer for his 'data'

"Disclaimer: The contents of MediCirc as furnished by Dr. Schoen are
for informational purposes only. Do not rely on this information for
diagnoses or treatment. It is recommended that you visit a qualified
health care professional for individual and personal attention. Links
to third party websites are provided solely as a convenience and do
not apply any association, sponsorship, endorsement, approved of or
responsibility for the linked site or its content. The opinions of Dr.
Schoen do not represent the position or policy of any organization."

In other words, he wants to sell you a circumcision.


Slight problem: Dr Schoen is retired.
 




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