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"Jeff" wrote in message news:Fyymi.4552$BI5.4448@trnddc07... JOHN wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message news:km3mi.437$gC5.312@trnddc04... JOHN wrote: http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ingredients.html Will you please cite references which show that the vaccine ingredients, in the very low doses used, are harmful? Jeff I am no longer "trying to dig up evidence to prove" vaccines cause autism. Good, because there isn't any. There is already abundant evidence,...... This debate is not scientific but is political. --- [July 9, 2006 Blog/letter] Blog/letter. Gee, at least it is from this century. Discovering the causes, treatment of autism ----David Ayoub, MD http://www.whale.to/vaccines/vax_autism_q.html that is a few million or so, just for one 'disease' Actually, it is zero. Jeff Deaf, dumb and blind |
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"Jeff" wrote in message news:HYImi.720$I76.14@trnddc05... JOHN wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message Actually, it is zero. Jeff "Truth has to be repeated constantly, because Error also is being preached all the time, and not just by a few, but by the multitude. In the Press and Encyclopaedias, in Schools and Universities, everywhere Error holds sway, feeling happy and comfortable in the knowledge of having Majority on its side."----Goethe http://www.whale.to/vaccines/vax_autism_q.html Thanks for the laugh with the whale to site. The whale is the laughing stock of the internet. The person who wrote the site clearly has no clue about science, immunology, vaccines or medicine. The quote you made means that you can repeat that vaccines cause autism all you want, but that doesn't make it true. Thanks for letting us know. Jeff Jeff laughs at the truth. How very sad. |
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"Jeff" wrote in message news:iFPmi.4660$BI5.3785@trnddc07... JOHN wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message news:HYImi.720$I76.14@trnddc05... The quote you made means that you can repeat that vaccines cause autism all you want, but that doesn't make it true. Thanks for letting us know. Jeff liar http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ploy5.html Don't you mean "Liar, liar, pants on fire?" Anyway, those who want accurate infomation can go he http://www.cdc.gov/od/science/iso/mmr_autism.htm Jeff Would that include the FACT the CDC seals records? For the *truth* go he http://www.momsagainstmercury.org/safemindsreport1.htm |
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jandew6 wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message news:Fyymi.4552$BI5.4448@trnddc07... JOHN wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message news:km3mi.437$gC5.312@trnddc04... JOHN wrote: http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ingredients.html Will you please cite references which show that the vaccine ingredients, in the very low doses used, are harmful? Jeff I am no longer "trying to dig up evidence to prove" vaccines cause autism. Good, because there isn't any. There is already abundant evidence,...... This debate is not scientific but is political. --- [July 9, 2006 Blog/letter] Blog/letter. Gee, at least it is from this century. Discovering the causes, treatment of autism ----David Ayoub, MD http://www.whale.to/vaccines/vax_autism_q.html that is a few million or so, just for one 'disease' Actually, it is zero. Jeff Deaf, dumb and blind You know, I have never heard you describe John better. |
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In article , JOHN wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message news:iFPmi.4660$BI5.3785@trnddc07... liar http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ploy5.html Don't you mean "Liar, liar, pants on fire?" Yes, also psychopathy covers you. Anyway, those who want accurate infomation can go he http://www.cdc.gov/od/science/iso/mmr_autism.htm Jeff "The CDC would be the last place in the world to go for information regarding health. The CDC is a government bureacracy funded by theft (taxation that has reached confiscatory levels) and run by white collar criminals who regularly misinform and misdirect the public while creating pandemonium in the marketplace (unnecessary destruction of livestock, recalls etc) and conspiring to incite public panic on an almost daily basis, in violation of the constitution of the United States."--Dr Duffy DC Yes, I always get my cutting-edge info from chiropractors. Especially ones who throw in some libertarian crap to try to further confuse the issues. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "Only George Bush could start a war for oil and not get any." -- Bill Maher |
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On Jul 16, 4:39 pm, (Herman Rubin) wrote:
In article wxymi.4551$BI5.3@trnddc07, Jeff wrote: wrote: On Jul 14, 8:31 am, Jeff wrote: JOHN wrote: http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ingredients.html Will you please cite references which show that the vaccine ingredients, in the very low doses used, are harmful? Jeff Jeff, Please show peer reviewed references which show vaccine ingredients are not harmful at low doses even though the msds states clearly that the ingredients are toxic and dangerous. The MSDS don't discuss the use of the chemicals in vaccines. The doses used are much, much smaller than the toxic doses. Since when can the human safely eat rotten eggs or the pus from monkey kidneys? Injecting the filth is probably 1000 times more harmful. Considering that neither rotten eggs nor monkey kidney pus is injected into humans, this question is irrelevent. The dose may make the chemical a poison, a lower dose may make the chemical a medicine, but there is no dose whereby a poison becomes a nutrient and not a poison. Nor did I ever say there was one. A poison in any dose is still a poison and the body has to deal with it regardless of the amount injected or swallowed. Actually, water is a poison. I would find it hard to argue that it is not a nutrient. Until it was found to be an essential nutrient, selenium was considered ONLY to be a poison. -- This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University. Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You say selenium as if all selenium compounds are the same. They are not. A grad student friend of mine, working on selenium compounds, developed a most severe case of swollen testes as a result of selenium exposure. What selenium compound is nutritional, and which are not? Generally speaking, if the mineral has not been absorbed into a plant, converted into an organic mineral, then eaten to be absorbed by a human, the mineral will be toxic to the human, but may have medicinal or drug effects. No known pharma company has the technology of the simple green plants. Can you distinguish between a drug and a nutritional effect of any chemical compound? DrCee |
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Please show peer reviewed references which show vaccine Peer review infers someone I agree with. |
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vernono icon@icon wrote: Please show peer reviewed references which show vaccine Peer review infers someone I agree with. Given how disagreeable you are, I can see where that'd be a problem. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "Only George Bush could start a war for oil and not get any." -- Bill Maher |
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In article . com,
wrote: On Jul 16, 4:39 pm, (Herman Rubin) wrote: In article wxymi.4551$BI5.3@trnddc07, Jeff wrote: wrote: On Jul 14, 8:31 am, Jeff wrote: JOHN wrote: http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ingredients.html Will you please cite references which show that the vaccine ingredients, in the very low doses used, are harmful? Jeff Jeff, Please show peer reviewed references which show vaccine ingredients are not harmful at low doses even though the msds states clearly that the ingredients are toxic and dangerous. The MSDS don't discuss the use of the chemicals in vaccines. The doses used are much, much smaller than the toxic doses. Since when can the human safely eat rotten eggs or the pus from monkey kidneys? Injecting the filth is probably 1000 times more harmful. Considering that neither rotten eggs nor monkey kidney pus is injected into humans, this question is irrelevent. The dose may make the chemical a poison, a lower dose may make the chemical a medicine, but there is no dose whereby a poison becomes a nutrient and not a poison. Nor did I ever say there was one. A poison in any dose is still a poison and the body has to deal with it regardless of the amount injected or swallowed. Actually, water is a poison. I would find it hard to argue that it is not a nutrient. Until it was found to be an essential nutrient, selenium was considered ONLY to be a poison. You say selenium as if all selenium compounds are the same. They are not. Of course not. Neither are they the same for any other element. A grad student friend of mine, working on selenium compounds, developed a most severe case of swollen testes as a result of selenium exposure. This is one of the known effects. The nutritional dosage is given in micrograms, with a milligram being on the order of a week's total dosage. What selenium compound is nutritional, and which are not? As I understand it, it makes little difference. Selenium as a supplement is either given as a simple chemical, or as one formed by yeast. Selenium can be either effective or toxic from plants. The locoweed of the southwest was so by concentrating selenium; it is the dosage that counts. Generally speaking, if the mineral has not been absorbed into a plant, converted into an organic mineral, then eaten to be absorbed by a human, the mineral will be toxic to the human, but may have medicinal or drug effects. This is not the case for sodium chloride or potassium chloride, which are taken directly. As to whether something will be toxic, it essentially depends on the dosage, for minerals. The same is true for fluorine, which is usually given as sodium fluoride. Also, calcium carbonate is the calcium compound usually used; eggshells and other shells are mainly this mineral. It seems to make little difference if a simple element is taken in a simple chemical compound (most elements, as elements, do not have the right features for utilization) or as a biological compound, with possibly cobalt as an exception, as it is used as part of a vitamin. But simple compounds usually do the work. I do not know of any situation where elements, not compounds, are used, as the elements would be difficult to handle, or the digestive system would either be damaged or fail to digest the element. No known pharma company has the technology of the simple green plants. Neither do green plants have the capabilities of the companies. Can you distinguish between a drug and a nutritional effect of any chemical compound? Many nutritional compounds are used at higher doses as drugs. This includes several vitamins. -- This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University. Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558 |
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