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A new study shows Ritalin used for ADHD "May affect developingbrain'
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... These kids do not develop ADHD, etc. because they lack these meds in their systems. True. They develop them from poor diet. Wrong. We don't why they develop ADHD. Genetics clearly plays a role. But there is little information to suggest poor diet. Nutrient deficiency from the time of conception thru their infancy to their present age. http://www.1stholistic.com/Nutrition...f-symptoms.htm Not once did I see "attention" as a symptom of "nutritional deficiency." Anxiety, depression, irritability, emotional, mental impairment, instability, nervousness, are all symptoms of many individual vitamin deficiencies and will manifest in cases of general malnourishment. Yet, most kids in countries where ADHD is commonly diagnosed do not have malnourishment. But our medical doctors weren't taught this in Med School. That's a good thing. They were taught to prescribes meds. And a proper diet. In fact, they may only get a basic three month Intro to Nutrition, if they are lucky. Yet, they have lectures on proper nutrition throughout their training, including in residency. And usually, there are nutritionists on the medical teams they train with. Good health is impossible without good nutrition. Which is why it is part of medical education. Jeff |
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A new study shows Ritalin used for ADHD "May affect developing brain'
On Jul 23, 12:20 pm, TC wrote:
On Jul 22, 12:28 pm, The One True Zhen Jue wrote: On Jul 22, 10:04 am, bigvince wrote: A new study states that ""These brain tissue findings revealed Ritalin-associated changes in four main areas," Dr. Milner says. "First, we noticed alterations in brain chemicals such as catecholamines and norepinephrine in the rats' prefrontal cortex - a part of the mammalian brain responsible for higher executive thinking and decision-making. There were also significant changes in catecholamine function in the hippocampus, a center for memory and learning." Sounds like these are positive changes, Vince. Wouldn't that be a total shame if these children were experiencing permanent improvements as a result of taking Ritalin? "Sounds like these are positive changes"? Is that a definite enough assessment of benefit vs risk for you to put your children on these meds? Why, of course not! Do you know so little about medical practice that you would think: A. That I'd make a definitive assesment from a comment in a usenet forum B. That I'd step that far out of my scope of practice and recommend an Rx med C. That my kid has a condition like ADHD in the first place These kids do not develop ADHD, etc. because they lack these meds in their systems. They develop them from poor diet. Nutrient deficiency from the time of conception thru their infancy to their present age. http://www.1stholistic.com/Nutrition...f-symptoms.htm What about those who are properly nourished? They are the majority of those with ADHD. Malnutrition is seldom a co-factor in the USA. Anxiety, depression, irritability, emotional, mental impairment, instability, nervousness, are all symptoms of many individual vitamin deficiencies and will manifest in cases of general malnourishment. But our medical doctors weren't taught this in Med School. They were taught to prescribes meds. In fact, they may only get a basic three month Intro to Nutrition, if they are lucky. If you can treat the condition effectively with nutrition, good for you! Make it happen, captain! If the condition can't be treated with nutrition, something else is required. Ritalin is used because it works for a great number of people with this condition. Its been on the market for several decades and it is safe when taken as directed. So why get in a tither over it? If you don't want it, by all means, don't take it. It does appear, from the article, the neurological changes are beneficial. Wouldn't that be a total shame if these children were experiencing permanent improvements as a result of taking Ritalin? Appearantly, you think so. You'd be angry if it were helping these children which speaks volumes about your agenda. Children be damned, you've got your dogma and its "Drugs is alwayz bad" My comment stands. You should be ashamed of yourself for wanting to withhold helpful treatments to children in need. Good health is impossible without good nutrition. Perhaps, but almost all diseases are still possible with good nutrition. |
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A new study shows Ritalin used for ADHD "May affect developingbrain'
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On Jul 23, 9:20 am, TC wrote: These kids do not develop ADHD, etc. because they lack these meds in their systems. They develop them from poor diet. Nutrient deficiency from the time of conception thru their infancy to their present age. http://www.1stholistic.com/Nutrition...f-symptoms.htm Anxiety, depression, irritability, emotional, mental impairment, instability, nervousness, are all symptoms of many individual vitamin deficiencies and will manifest in cases of general malnourishment. But our medical doctors weren't taught this in Med School. They were taught to prescribes meds. In fact, they may only get a basic three month Intro to Nutrition, if they are lucky. Good health is impossible without good nutrition. That's one of the best, well-rounded and TRUE posts I've read on the usenet in a long time, good job TC. My Mom just went to the doctor for a bad cold. She was given ANTIBIOTICS. Can you believe that? Doctors simply want to write prescriptions. Why did the doctor say (s)he was giving prescribing antibiotics? Perhaps there was a sinus infection or another bacterial infection. Jeff Dave |
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A new study shows Ritalin used for ADHD "May affect developing brain'
On Jul 23, 12:01 pm, The One True Zhen Jue
wrote: On Jul 23, 12:20 pm, TC wrote: On Jul 22, 12:28 pm, The One True Zhen Jue wrote: On Jul 22, 10:04 am, bigvince wrote: A new study states that ""These brain tissue findings revealed Ritalin-associated changes in four main areas," Dr. Milner says. "First, we noticed alterations in brain chemicals such as catecholamines and norepinephrine in the rats' prefrontal cortex - a part of the mammalian brain responsible for higher executive thinking and decision-making. There were also significant changes in catecholamine function in the hippocampus, a center for memory and learning." Sounds like these are positive changes, Vince. Wouldn't that be a total shame if these children were experiencing permanent improvements as a result of taking Ritalin? "Sounds like these are positive changes"? Is that a definite enough assessment of benefit vs risk for you to put your children on these meds? Why, of course not! Do you know so little about medical practice that you would think: A. That I'd make a definitive assesment from a comment in a usenet forum B. That I'd step that far out of my scope of practice and recommend an Rx med C. That my kid has a condition like ADHD in the first place These kids do not develop ADHD, etc. because they lack these meds in their systems. They develop them from poor diet. Nutrient deficiency from the time of conception thru their infancy to their present age. http://www.1stholistic.com/Nutrition...f-symptoms.htm What about those who are properly nourished? They are the majority of those with ADHD. Malnutrition is seldom a co-factor in the USA. Is that right? Malnutrition is seldom a co-factor in the USA? How would you know that? Let's look at the bigger picture. In the USA, there has never been more sickness or more prescriptions or more doctors as there is today. Diabetes, obesity, Chrohns's disease, celiac disease, heart disease, mental illness. All these diseases are at an all time high. These all share a common co-factor. Diet and malnourishment. Most people suffer from not just one but a combination of all these conditions, and the common co-factor is diet and malnourishment. ADHD is a modern disease. What has changed in the last 100 years? Diet. Processed and manufactured foods. White bread. Polished rice. Sugars. Soft drinks. High fructose corn syrup. Pasta. Junk food. There was no such thing as ADHD when I grew up. Few, if any, of my classmates in the 1960's and 1970's suffered from anything even ressembling ADHD. But we ate real bacom and eggs. Real pot roasts and real potatoes. Soft drinks were a once-a-month treat. Same with candies and chocolate milk. RTE breakfast cereals were an expensive treat for those who could afford it, and few of my classmates families could afford them. We did not have a cupboard full of processed and manufactured boxed treats to eat from every evening in front of the TV. None of the diseases mentioned above exist because of a lack of prescription drugs in our systems. And none of them are actually cured with the huge amounts of prescription drug available to us. No one is being helped. they are only being "treated", and at a very high cost in terms of dollars and in terms of our health. Anxiety, depression, irritability, emotional, mental impairment, instability, nervousness, are all symptoms of many individual vitamin deficiencies and will manifest in cases of general malnourishment. But our medical doctors weren't taught this in Med School. They were taught to prescribes meds. In fact, they may only get a basic three month Intro to Nutrition, if they are lucky. If you can treat the condition effectively with nutrition, good for you! Make it happen, captain! If the condition can't be treated with nutrition, something else is required. Ritalin is used because it works for a great number of people with this condition. Its been on the market for several decades and it is safe when taken as directed. So why get in a tither over it? If you don't want it, by all means, don't take it. Ritalin does not work. Like many other drugs all it does is make the patient feel "different" or it appears to calm them down for a short period of time therefore you believe that it is doing something. But at what cost to the long term development of the childs mind and general health. And why not first try to resolve it with proper diet? The first thing that should be addressed is nourishment. I've never heard of any modern day doctor who has ever even considered nourishment to treat any case where Ritalin can just as easily be prescribed. And that is the fatal flaw with moderm allopathic medicine. People (ie. doctors) who have no concept whatsoever of the essentiality of nutrients pretending and presuming to treat our illnesses. Absurd. It does appear, from the article, the neurological changes are beneficial. Wouldn't that be a total shame if these children were experiencing permanent improvements as a result of taking Ritalin? Appearantly, you think so. You'd be angry if it were helping these children which speaks volumes about your agenda. Children be damned, you've got your dogma and its "Drugs is alwayz bad" Drugs *are* always bad when the safer and more common-sensical alternative treatments are not only not tried but are virtually unknown by those presuming to treat our illnesses. My comment stands. You should be ashamed of yourself for wanting to withhold helpful treatments to children in need. You should be ashamed of yourself for pushing dangerous and ineffective chemicals into young developing childrens bodies and being completely ignorant of the importance of proper nourishment on our childrens health. Good health is impossible without good nutrition. Perhaps, but almost all diseases are still possible with good nutrition.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Actually no. Proper nourishment will completely eradicate diabetes, obesity, chrohn's and colitis, most heart disease, most cancers and most mental illness. Start reading he http://www.westonaprice.org/splash_2.htm |
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A new study shows Ritalin used for ADHD "May affect developing brain'
On Jul 23, 2:10 pm, TC wrote:
On Jul 23, 12:01 pm, The One True Zhen Jue wrote: On Jul 23, 12:20 pm, TC wrote: On Jul 22, 12:28 pm, The One True Zhen Jue wrote: On Jul 22, 10:04 am, bigvince wrote: A new study states that ""These brain tissue findings revealed Ritalin-associated changes in four main areas," Dr. Milner says. "First, we noticed alterations in brain chemicals such as catecholamines and norepinephrine in the rats' prefrontal cortex - a part of the mammalian brain responsible for higher executive thinking and decision-making. There were also significant changes in catecholamine function in the hippocampus, a center for memory and learning." Sounds like these are positive changes, Vince. Wouldn't that be a total shame if these children were experiencing permanent improvements as a result of taking Ritalin? "Sounds like these are positive changes"? Is that a definite enough assessment of benefit vs risk for you to put your children on these meds? Why, of course not! Do you know so little about medical practice that you would think: A. That I'd make a definitive assesment from a comment in a usenet forum B. That I'd step that far out of my scope of practice and recommend an Rx med C. That my kid has a condition like ADHD in the first place These kids do not develop ADHD, etc. because they lack these meds in their systems. They develop them from poor diet. Nutrient deficiency from the time of conception thru their infancy to their present age. http://www.1stholistic.com/Nutrition...f-symptoms.htm What about those who are properly nourished? They are the majority of those with ADHD. Malnutrition is seldom a co-factor in the USA. Is that right? Malnutrition is seldom a co-factor in the USA? How would you know that? Let's look at the bigger picture. In the USA, there has never been more sickness or more prescriptions or more doctors as there is today. If you are talking about diseases of over-consumption, you have a point. Too many Americans are obese, eat too much salt, sugar, & fat. Many drink too much and exercise too little. The diseases that result from poor lifestyle choices are NOT the fault of the healthcare system. It is called choice, whether poor or wise. Diabetes, obesity, Chrohns's disease, celiac disease, heart disease, mental illness. All these diseases are at an all time high. These all share a common co-factor. Diet and malnourishment. Most people suffer from not just one but a combination of all these conditions, and the common co-factor is diet and malnourishment. Its called over-consumption, not malnourishment. Next, you'll be claiming scury & rickets are ravaging the general population! ADHD is a modern disease. What has changed in the last 100 years? Diet. Processed and manufactured foods. White bread. Polished rice. Sugars. Soft drinks. High fructose corn syrup. Pasta. Junk food. No, its been with us all along. It has been more carefully differentiated than in the past. There was no such thing as ADHD when I grew up. Few, if any, of my classmates in the 1960's and 1970's suffered from anything even ressembling ADHD. But we ate real bacom and eggs. Real pot roasts and real potatoes. Soft drinks were a once-a-month treat. Same with candies and chocolate milk. RTE breakfast cereals were an expensive treat for those who could afford it, and few of my classmates families could afford them. We did not have a cupboard full of processed and manufactured boxed treats to eat from every evening in front of the TV. That was hilarious! Dem REAL "bacom and eggs" [sic] kept you from being ADHD. Yeah, that's what happened. I know kids raised by parents who've kept them on organic food from day one. These kids only where organically grown fibers, man! They don't even believe in fluorescent bulbs or TV! They have a child with ADHD despite this. Ritalin was demonized to the point where they wouldn't consider it for two years. They now wish they had considered it earlier. Two years of his childhood could have been happier and he'd done better in school, to boot. That's a lot more important than defending alarmist dogma. None of the diseases mentioned above exist because of a lack of prescription drugs in our systems. And none of them are actually cured with the huge amounts of prescription drug available to us. No one is being helped. they are only being "treated", and at a very high cost in terms of dollars and in terms of our health. No, they were always there. Behavior disorders are more likely to get diagnosed. More people live in urban areas instead of rural areas, so reporting is higher. With increase awareness comes increased numbers of people seeking treatment so that they can live better. Anxiety, depression, irritability, emotional, mental impairment, instability, nervousness, are all symptoms of many individual vitamin deficiencies and will manifest in cases of general malnourishment. But our medical doctors weren't taught this in Med School. They were taught to prescribes meds. In fact, they may only get a basic three month Intro to Nutrition, if they are lucky. If you can treat the condition effectively with nutrition, good for you! Make it happen, captain! If the condition can't be treated with nutrition, something else is required. Ritalin is used because it works for a great number of people with this condition. Its been on the market for several decades and it is safe when taken as directed. So why get in a tither over it? If you don't want it, by all means, don't take it. Ritalin does not work. Like many other drugs all it does is make the patient feel "different" or it appears to calm them down for a short period of time therefore you believe that it is doing something. But at what cost to the long term development of the childs mind and general health. And why not first try to resolve it with proper diet? How did you reach this conclusion? It works for about 2 million people everyday in the USA alone. Proper diet is a great thing. Sure, get everyone to eat a proper diet, exercise, and see if it gets better. When it doesn't, you'll blame some obscure food additive, sweetner, TV show, "toxin du jour", fluorescent lighting, Cell phone towers, etc. The first thing that should be addressed is nourishment. I've never heard of any modern day doctor who has ever even considered nourishment to treat any case where Ritalin can just as easily be prescribed. And that is the fatal flaw with moderm allopathic medicine. People (ie. doctors) who have no concept whatsoever of the essentiality of nutrients pretending and presuming to treat our illnesses. Absurd. It so nice that you are this enlightened! You are a precious national resource! We must get you to teach in the medical schools because YOU have absolute certainty that you are right. That's good enough for me! After all, isn't it perfectly logical to assume that everyone with ADD or ADHD is malnourished? I mean, isn't that what happens in famine zones world-wide? Hmmm? What, it doesn't???? Well, TC, don't let the cognitive dissonance get to you! It does appear, from the article, the neurological changes are beneficial. Wouldn't that be a total shame if these children were experiencing permanent improvements as a result of taking Ritalin? Appearantly, you think so. You'd be angry if it were helping these children which speaks volumes about your agenda. Children be damned, you've got your dogma and its "Drugs is alwayz bad" Drugs *are* always bad when the safer and more common-sensical alternative treatments are not only not tried but are virtually unknown by those presuming to treat our illnesses. No, that's silly. Ritalin has been used for decades with great safety & success. You shouldn't throw out all that baby because of those few ounces of bathwater! My comment stands. You should be ashamed of yourself for wanting to withhold helpful treatments to children in need. You should be ashamed of yourself for pushing dangerous and ineffective chemicals into young developing childrens bodies and being completely ignorant of the importance of proper nourishment on our childrens health. Pushing? How do you figure that? I don't prescribe meds. I'm an acupuncturist, I dispense herbs if anything. What I do know is that Ritalin has been prescribed for decades. It has a documented record of efficacy and safety. That isn't to say that I wouldn't like it to be even better. Heck, I'm hoping a simple vaccine will be developed, but who knows if that is even possible... Good health is impossible without good nutrition. Perhaps, but almost all diseases are still possible with good nutrition.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Actually no. Proper nourishment will completely eradicate diabetes, obesity, chrohn's and colitis, most heart disease, most cancers and most mental illness. I'll agree with you on most obesity and that it will be very important in most of the diseases you list. Sure, a healthy diet AND exercise are important. It isn't a panacea. People get sick for a variety of reasons and malnourishment isn't a significant cause of disease in the USA. Over consumption _IS_ a significant cause of disease. |
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A new study shows Ritalin used for ADHD "May affect developing brain'
On Jul 23, 1:34 pm, The One True Zhen Jue
wrote: On Jul 23, 2:10 pm, TC wrote: On Jul 23, 12:01 pm, The One True Zhen Jue wrote: On Jul 23, 12:20 pm, TC wrote: On Jul 22, 12:28 pm, The One True Zhen Jue wrote: On Jul 22, 10:04 am, bigvince wrote: A new study states that ""These brain tissue findings revealed Ritalin-associated changes in four main areas," Dr. Milner says. "First, we noticed alterations in brain chemicals such as catecholamines and norepinephrine in the rats' prefrontal cortex - a part of the mammalian brain responsible for higher executive thinking and decision-making. There were also significant changes in catecholamine function in the hippocampus, a center for memory and learning." Sounds like these are positive changes, Vince. Wouldn't that be a total shame if these children were experiencing permanent improvements as a result of taking Ritalin? "Sounds like these are positive changes"? Is that a definite enough assessment of benefit vs risk for you to put your children on these meds? Why, of course not! Do you know so little about medical practice that you would think: A. That I'd make a definitive assesment from a comment in a usenet forum B. That I'd step that far out of my scope of practice and recommend an Rx med C. That my kid has a condition like ADHD in the first place These kids do not develop ADHD, etc. because they lack these meds in their systems. They develop them from poor diet. Nutrient deficiency from the time of conception thru their infancy to their present age. http://www.1stholistic.com/Nutrition...f-symptoms.htm What about those who are properly nourished? They are the majority of those with ADHD. Malnutrition is seldom a co-factor in the USA. Is that right? Malnutrition is seldom a co-factor in the USA? How would you know that? Let's look at the bigger picture. In the USA, there has never been more sickness or more prescriptions or more doctors as there is today. If you are talking about diseases of over-consumption, you have a point. Too many Americans are obese, eat too much salt, sugar, & fat. Many drink too much and exercise too little. The diseases that result from poor lifestyle choices are NOT the fault of the healthcare system. It is called choice, whether poor or wise. I am not talking about OVER consumption. I am talking about MALNOURISHMENT. Eating nutritionally-deficient highly-processed crap. It is the fault of the food industry over processing foods to the point where they are no longer of any useful nutritional value and the fault of the drug and food industry-owned FDA for letting the food industry get away with it. Obesity is a function of eating too many highly refined and oprocessed foods. And that is what malnourishment means. Malnourishment is improper nutrition. These highly refined and processed foods contain very little actual nourishment, you know - vitamins and minerals, healthy fats, healthy proteins or healthy carbs. And that lack of real nourishment in modern processed foods leads to general malnourishment in the population. Even fruits and vegetables lack nutrition as a result of the way the are grown, handled, shipped and stored. We are taught to obsess about quantity of food when the real problem is not the quantity but the quality. And your post proves that you've bought into this mindset. The fault lies in the scientists, the researchers, the doctors, the popular media and the gov't. They all have bought into this quantity bull**** while ignoring the importance of quality of food. Diabetes, obesity, Chrohns's disease, celiac disease, heart disease, mental illness. All these diseases are at an all time high. These all share a common co-factor. Diet and malnourishment. Most people suffer from not just one but a combination of all these conditions, and the common co-factor is diet and malnourishment. Its called over-consumption, not malnourishment. Next, you'll be claiming scury & rickets are ravaging the general population! It is not over-consumption. It is the consumption of poor, nutritionally deficient foods. Sub-clinical cases of scurvy and rickets are rampant. Doctors do not diagnose them because they aren't taught to look for nutrition related causes of disease. They look for what can be treated with pills. I had a discussion in this ng with a dentist who claimed to have treated thousands of patients, many with bleeding or soft gums, (gingivitis), and in all of his years of treating thousands of patients he never once saw a single case of vitamin C deficiency. Not a one. Is that because none of his patients had a vitamin C deficiency or because he was taught that bleeding gums has to be treated with a toothbrush and a specific brand of toothpaste? It is absurd to think that not a single one of his patients has a sub-clinical case of scurvy. If your gums are bleeding or soft, you have scurvy. Possibly a mild or very mild case, but you have scurvy nonetheless. If you catch colds easily, you have scurvy. If you bruise easily and take a long time for cuts and bruises to heal, you have scurvy. If you suffer from depression, you may also have scurvy. But interestingly enough, I've never heard of doctors testing for these vitamin deficiencies, why not? ADHD is a modern disease. What has changed in the last 100 years? Diet. Processed and manufactured foods. White bread. Polished rice. Sugars. Soft drinks. High fructose corn syrup. Pasta. Junk food. No, its been with us all along. It has been more carefully differentiated than in the past. Yep, it has. But not in nearly the number of cases as today. We eat more crap food and we are sicker. That trend is unmistakable and un- deniable. There was no such thing as ADHD when I grew up. Few, if any, of my classmates in the 1960's and 1970's suffered from anything even ressembling ADHD. But we ate real bacom and eggs. Real pot roasts and real potatoes. Soft drinks were a once-a-month treat. Same with candies and chocolate milk. RTE breakfast cereals were an expensive treat for those who could afford it, and few of my classmates families could afford them. We did not have a cupboard full of processed and manufactured boxed treats to eat from every evening in front of the TV. That was hilarious! Dem REAL "bacom and eggs" [sic] kept you from being ADHD. Yeah, that's what happened. I know kids raised by parents who've kept them on organic food from day one. These kids only where organically grown fibers, man! They don't even believe in fluorescent bulbs or TV! They have a child with ADHD despite this. Ritalin was demonized to the point where they wouldn't consider it for two years. They now wish they had considered it earlier. Two years of his childhood could have been happier and he'd done better in school, to boot. That's a lot more important than defending alarmist dogma. I did not say organic food. I said real food. Eggs contain the best combination of essential proteins and fats available in a single food. Bacon contains important essential fats that can only be gotten from animal sourced foods. Real produce picked fresh from the garden and taken directly to the table contains the greatest amunts of vitamins and minerals. Fresh fish. Nutrient rich properly raised beef, pork and free-range chicken. Real whole unpasteurized milk, cream, butter. these are extremely nutrient rich foods. And that real nutrition ensured that none of us suffered from ADHD. None of us needed eye- glasses in kindergarden. None of use were on multiple serial courses of anti-biotics for recurring infections (ear infections, etc). We were all robust and strong physically and mentally. Most kids today are reared on RTE cereals, mac and cheese, pasteurized milk, pasta from a box, white bread, soda pop by the half gallon, and hydrogenized, dead, extremely highly processed vegetables oils and most of them are under weight or grossly overweight weaklings, wearing eyeglasses in kindergarden, perpetually sucking on an inhaler, and suffering from ADHD and assorted other behavioral problems from day one. That is a modern phenomenon and is a result of modern crap foods. None of the diseases mentioned above exist because of a lack of prescription drugs in our systems. And none of them are actually cured with the huge amounts of prescription drug available to us. No one is being helped. they are only being "treated", and at a very high cost in terms of dollars and in terms of our health. No, they were always there. Behavior disorders are more likely to get diagnosed. More people live in urban areas instead of rural areas, so reporting is higher. With increase awareness comes increased numbers of people seeking treatment so that they can live better. Wrong. They were not ALL there. There were a few cases here and there. Now it is the norm. I see it every day in schools, in community sports, at family gatherings, in stores, in malls. The number of underweight or overweight, eyeglass wearing, wheezaing, mentally challenged and unstable, intellectually diminished children has exploded. They used to be the exception, now they are the rule. Just think for a moment. The children in your family. Cousins, nephews, nieces, grand kids.... are they all physically strong? Are they all robust? Mentally and physically? Are they quick or are they a tad slow? (Compare them to when you were growing up.) Or are a few of them kinda really thin and flacid? Or kinda pudgy and flacid? And do they have problems sitting there and holding a conversation with them? Do you have to repeat things to them and find yourself staring at a blank face that is trying to process what is being said to them? Does it seem as if what you are saying to them is hitting a brick wall? Look around you. You will find that a good portion of the population of children to day have serious problems. These did not manifest itself because of the lack of pharmacuticals in their little bodies. Anxiety, depression, irritability, emotional, mental impairment, instability, nervousness, are all symptoms of many individual vitamin deficiencies and will manifest in cases of general malnourishment. But our medical doctors weren't taught this in Med School. They were taught to prescribes meds. In fact, they may only get a basic three month Intro to Nutrition, if they are lucky. If you can treat the condition effectively with nutrition, good for you! Make it happen, captain! If the condition can't be treated with nutrition, something else is required. Ritalin is used because it works for a great number of people with this condition. Its been on the market for several decades and it is safe when taken as directed. So why get in a tither over it? If you don't want it, by all means, don't take it. Ritalin does not work. Like many other drugs all it does is make the patient feel "different" or it appears to calm them down for a short period of time therefore you believe that it is doing something. But at what cost to the long term development of the childs mind and general health. And why not first try to resolve it with proper diet? How did you reach this conclusion? It works for about 2 million people everyday in the USA alone. Proper diet is a great thing. Sure, get everyone to eat a proper diet, exercise, and see if it gets better. When it doesn't, you'll blame some obscure food additive, sweetner, TV show, "toxin du jour", fluorescent lighting, Cell phone towers, etc. It has nothing to do with a TV show or fluorescnt lighting or cell phone towers. Stop putting words in my mouth. I really don't appreciate that kind of nonsense. Listen carefully: It is the QUALITY of the food, or the lack of it. Feed children and people in general bad nourishment and they will be sick, physically and mentally. It is that simple. Feed a plant poor nutrition and it will fail to thrive. Feed ducks poor nutrition and they will fail to thrive. Feed a dog poor nutrition and it will fail to thrive. And guess what, feed people poor nutrition and THEY will FAIL TO THRIVE. The first thing that should be addressed is nourishment. I've never heard of any modern day doctor who has ever even considered nourishment to treat any case where Ritalin can just as easily be prescribed. And that is the fatal flaw with moderm allopathic medicine. People (ie. doctors) who have no concept whatsoever of the essentiality of nutrients pretending and presuming to treat our illnesses. Absurd. It so nice that you are this enlightened! You are a precious national resource! We must get you to teach in the medical schools because YOU have absolute certainty that you are right. That's good enough for me! After all, isn't it perfectly logical to assume that everyone with ADD or ADHD is malnourished? I mean, isn't that what happens in famine zones world-wide? Hmmm? What, it doesn't???? Well, TC, don't let the cognitive dissonance get to you! I *should* teach in the medical schools, but the food industry and the pharma industry essentially own the curriculum. Which guarantees that doctors know nothing about nutrition and the food industry can continue selling their crap foods, and guarantees that doctors do nothing but prescribe drugs. It does appear, from the article, the neurological changes are beneficial. Wouldn't that be a total shame if these children were experiencing permanent improvements as a result of taking Ritalin? Appearantly, you think so. You'd be angry if it were helping these children which speaks volumes about your agenda. Children be damned, you've got your dogma and its "Drugs is alwayz bad" Drugs *are* always bad when the safer and more common-sensical alternative treatments are not only not tried but are virtually unknown by those presuming to treat our illnesses. No, that's silly. Ritalin has been used for decades with great safety & success. You shouldn't throw out all that baby because of those few ounces of bathwater! Only perceived success and a lot of unknown damage to children. Even the companies that sell these drugs don't know exactly how they work and what they do. My comment stands. You should be ashamed of yourself for wanting to withhold helpful treatments to children in need. You should be ashamed of yourself for pushing dangerous and ineffective chemicals into young developing childrens bodies and being completely ignorant of the importance of proper nourishment on our childrens health. Pushing? How do you figure that? I don't prescribe meds. I'm an acupuncturist, I dispense herbs if anything. What I do know is that Ritalin has been prescribed for decades. It has a documented record of efficacy and safety. That isn't to say that I wouldn't like it to be even better. Heck, I'm hoping a simple vaccine will be developed, but who knows if that is even possible... You advocate the use of these drugs, you are as bad as a street peddler. Actually worse, because the street peddler recognises that what he sells is bad ****. Good health is impossible without good nutrition. Perhaps, but almost all diseases are still possible with good nutrition.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Actually no. Proper nourishment will completely eradicate diabetes, obesity, chrohn's and colitis, most heart disease, most cancers and most mental illness. I'll agree with you on most obesity and that it will be very important in most of the diseases you list. Sure, a healthy diet AND exercise are important. It isn't a panacea. People get sick for a variety of reasons and malnourishment isn't a significant cause of disease in the USA. Over consumption _IS_ a significant cause of disease.- Hide quoted text - NOT OVER CONSUMPTION. It is not general over consumption that is the problem, it is the over consumption of nutritionallly deficient crap food and the under consumption of nutritious real food. Again, you show how you've been conditioned to think. Kinda sad. |
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A new study shows Ritalin used for ADHD "May affect developing brain'
On Jul 23, 1:02 pm, Jeff wrote:
D. wrote: On Jul 23, 9:20 am, TC wrote: These kids do not develop ADHD, etc. because they lack these meds in their systems. They develop them from poor diet. Nutrient deficiency from the time of conception thru their infancy to their present age. http://www.1stholistic.com/Nutrition...f-symptoms.htm Anxiety, depression, irritability, emotional, mental impairment, instability, nervousness, are all symptoms of many individual vitamin deficiencies and will manifest in cases of general malnourishment. But our medical doctors weren't taught this in Med School. They were taught to prescribes meds. In fact, they may only get a basic three month Intro to Nutrition, if they are lucky. Good health is impossible without good nutrition. That's one of the best, well-rounded and TRUE posts I've read on the usenet in a long time, good job TC. My Mom just went to the doctor for a bad cold. She was given ANTIBIOTICS. Can you believe that? Doctors simply want to write prescriptions. Why did the doctor say (s)he was giving prescribing antibiotics? Perhaps there was a sinus infection or another bacterial infection. Jeff Dave- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Jeff as a doctor you know antibiotics are grossly overprescibed. But many Good Doctors have written volumes about the dangers of this procedure. Geez Jeff just Google Antibiotics and overprescribed theres awealth of info there. Hopefully you did not use Ketek for a minor infection or worse as a 'cover antibiotic' Jeeff it easy to say antibiotics are over given. Many Good doctors have said exactly that. |
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A new study shows Ritalin used for ADHD "May affect developing brain'
On Jul 23, 2:10 pm, TC wrote:
On Jul 23, 12:01 pm, The One True Zhen Jue wrote: On Jul 23, 12:20 pm, TC wrote: On Jul 22, 12:28 pm, The One True Zhen Jue wrote: On Jul 22, 10:04 am, bigvince wrote: A new study states that ""These brain tissue findings revealed Ritalin-associated changes in four main areas," Dr. Milner says. "First, we noticed alterations in brain chemicals such as catecholamines and norepinephrine in the rats' prefrontal cortex - a part of the mammalian brain responsible for higher executive thinking and decision-making. There were also significant changes in catecholamine function in the hippocampus, a center for memory and learning." Sounds like these are positive changes, Vince. Wouldn't that be a total shame if these children were experiencing permanent improvements as a result of taking Ritalin? "Sounds like these are positive changes"? Is that a definite enough assessment of benefit vs risk for you to put your children on these meds? Why, of course not! Do you know so little about medical practice that you would think: A. That I'd make a definitive assesment from a comment in a usenet forum B. That I'd step that far out of my scope of practice and recommend an Rx med C. That my kid has a condition like ADHD in the first place These kids do not develop ADHD, etc. because they lack these meds in their systems. They develop them from poor diet. Nutrient deficiency from the time of conception thru their infancy to their present age. http://www.1stholistic.com/Nutrition...f-symptoms.htm What about those who are properly nourished? They are the majority of those with ADHD. Malnutrition is seldom a co-factor in the USA. Is that right? Malnutrition is seldom a co-factor in the USA? How would you know that? Let's look at the bigger picture. In the USA, there has never been more sickness or more prescriptions or more doctors as there is today. Diabetes, obesity, Chrohns's disease, celiac disease, heart disease, mental illness. All these diseases are at an all time high. These all share a common co-factor. Diet and malnourishment. Most people suffer from not just one but a combination of all these conditions, and the common co-factor is diet and malnourishment. ADHD is a modern disease. What has changed in the last 100 years? Diet. Processed and manufactured foods. White bread. Polished rice. Sugars. Soft drinks. High fructose corn syrup. Pasta. Junk food. There was no such thing as ADHD when I grew up. Few, if any, of my classmates in the 1960's and 1970's suffered from anything even ressembling ADHD. But we ate real bacom and eggs. Real pot roasts and real potatoes. Soft drinks were a once-a-month treat. Same with candies and chocolate milk. RTE breakfast cereals were an expensive treat for those who could afford it, and few of my classmates families could afford them. We did not have a cupboard full of processed and manufactured boxed treats to eat from every evening in front of the TV. None of the diseases mentioned above exist because of a lack of prescription drugs in our systems. And none of them are actually cured with the huge amounts of prescription drug available to us. No one is being helped. they are only being "treated", and at a very high cost in terms of dollars and in terms of our health. Anxiety, depression, irritability, emotional, mental impairment, instability, nervousness, are all symptoms of many individual vitamin deficiencies and will manifest in cases of general malnourishment. But our medical doctors weren't taught this in Med School. They were taught to prescribes meds. In fact, they may only get a basic three month Intro to Nutrition, if they are lucky. If you can treat the condition effectively with nutrition, good for you! Make it happen, captain! If the condition can't be treated with nutrition, something else is required. Ritalin is used because it works for a great number of people with this condition. Its been on the market for several decades and it is safe when taken as directed. So why get in a tither over it? If you don't want it, by all means, don't take it. Ritalin does not work. Like many other drugs all it does is make the patient feel "different" or it appears to calm them down for a short period of time therefore you believe that it is doing something. But at what cost to the long term development of the childs mind and general health. And why not first try to resolve it with proper diet? The first thing that should be addressed is nourishment. I've never heard of any modern day doctor who has ever even considered nourishment to treat any case where Ritalin can just as easily be prescribed. And that is the fatal flaw with moderm allopathic medicine. People (ie. doctors) who have no concept whatsoever of the essentiality of nutrients pretending and presuming to treat our illnesses. Absurd. It does appear, from the article, the neurological changes are beneficial. Wouldn't that be a total shame if these children were experiencing permanent improvements as a result of taking Ritalin? Appearantly, you think so. You'd be angry if it were helping these children which speaks volumes about your agenda. Children be damned, you've got your dogma and its "Drugs is alwayz bad" Drugs *are* always bad when the safer and more common-sensical alternative treatments are not only not tried but are virtually unknown by those presuming to treat our illnesses. My comment stands. You should be ashamed of yourself for wanting to withhold helpful treatments to children in need. You should be ashamed of yourself for pushing dangerous and ineffective chemicals into young developing childrens bodies and being completely ignorant of the importance of proper nourishment on our childrens health. Good health is impossible without good nutrition. Perhaps, but almost all diseases are still possible with good nutrition.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Actually no. Proper nourishment will completely eradicate diabetes, obesity, chrohn's and colitis, most heart disease, most cancers and most mental illness. Start reading he http://www.westonaprice.org/splash_2.htm- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Good diet ; excercise and adequate sun exposure [ vitamin d] in fact will go a long way toward optimal health. Most drugs just mask symtoms ;. Thanks Vince |
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A new study shows Ritalin used for ADHD "May affect developing brain'
On Jul 23, 3:04 pm, bigvince wrote:
On Jul 23, 2:10 pm, TC wrote: On Jul 23, 12:01 pm, The One True Zhen Jue wrote: On Jul 23, 12:20 pm, TC wrote: On Jul 22, 12:28 pm, The One True Zhen Jue wrote: On Jul 22, 10:04 am, bigvince wrote: A new study states that ""These brain tissue findings revealed Ritalin-associated changes in four main areas," Dr. Milner says. "First, we noticed alterations in brain chemicals such as catecholamines and norepinephrine in the rats' prefrontal cortex - a part of the mammalian brain responsible for higher executive thinking and decision-making. There were also significant changes in catecholamine function in the hippocampus, a center for memory and learning." Sounds like these are positive changes, Vince. Wouldn't that be a total shame if these children were experiencing permanent improvements as a result of taking Ritalin? "Sounds like these are positive changes"? Is that a definite enough assessment of benefit vs risk for you to put your children on these meds? Why, of course not! Do you know so little about medical practice that you would think: A. That I'd make a definitive assesment from a comment in a usenet forum B. That I'd step that far out of my scope of practice and recommend an Rx med C. That my kid has a condition like ADHD in the first place These kids do not develop ADHD, etc. because they lack these meds in their systems. They develop them from poor diet. Nutrient deficiency from the time of conception thru their infancy to their present age. http://www.1stholistic.com/Nutrition...f-symptoms.htm What about those who are properly nourished? They are the majority of those with ADHD. Malnutrition is seldom a co-factor in the USA. Is that right? Malnutrition is seldom a co-factor in the USA? How would you know that? Let's look at the bigger picture. In the USA, there has never been more sickness or more prescriptions or more doctors as there is today. Diabetes, obesity, Chrohns's disease, celiac disease, heart disease, mental illness. All these diseases are at an all time high. These all share a common co-factor. Diet and malnourishment. Most people suffer from not just one but a combination of all these conditions, and the common co-factor is diet and malnourishment. ADHD is a modern disease. What has changed in the last 100 years? Diet. Processed and manufactured foods. White bread. Polished rice. Sugars. Soft drinks. High fructose corn syrup. Pasta. Junk food. There was no such thing as ADHD when I grew up. Few, if any, of my classmates in the 1960's and 1970's suffered from anything even ressembling ADHD. But we ate real bacom and eggs. Real pot roasts and real potatoes. Soft drinks were a once-a-month treat. Same with candies and chocolate milk. RTE breakfast cereals were an expensive treat for those who could afford it, and few of my classmates families could afford them. We did not have a cupboard full of processed and manufactured boxed treats to eat from every evening in front of the TV. None of the diseases mentioned above exist because of a lack of prescription drugs in our systems. And none of them are actually cured with the huge amounts of prescription drug available to us. No one is being helped. they are only being "treated", and at a very high cost in terms of dollars and in terms of our health. Anxiety, depression, irritability, emotional, mental impairment, instability, nervousness, are all symptoms of many individual vitamin deficiencies and will manifest in cases of general malnourishment. But our medical doctors weren't taught this in Med School. They were taught to prescribes meds. In fact, they may only get a basic three month Intro to Nutrition, if they are lucky. If you can treat the condition effectively with nutrition, good for you! Make it happen, captain! If the condition can't be treated with nutrition, something else is required. Ritalin is used because it works for a great number of people with this condition. Its been on the market for several decades and it is safe when taken as directed. So why get in a tither over it? If you don't want it, by all means, don't take it. Ritalin does not work. Like many other drugs all it does is make the patient feel "different" or it appears to calm them down for a short period of time therefore you believe that it is doing something. But at what cost to the long term development of the childs mind and general health. And why not first try to resolve it with proper diet? The first thing that should be addressed is nourishment. I've never heard of any modern day doctor who has ever even considered nourishment to treat any case where Ritalin can just as easily be prescribed. And that is the fatal flaw with moderm allopathic medicine. People (ie. doctors) who have no concept whatsoever of the essentiality of nutrients pretending and presuming to treat our illnesses. Absurd. It does appear, from the article, the neurological changes are beneficial. Wouldn't that be a total shame if these children were experiencing permanent improvements as a result of taking Ritalin? Appearantly, you think so. You'd be angry if it were helping these children which speaks volumes about your agenda. Children be damned, you've got your dogma and its "Drugs is alwayz bad" Drugs *are* always bad when the safer and more common-sensical alternative treatments are not only not tried but are virtually unknown by those presuming to treat our illnesses. My comment stands. You should be ashamed of yourself for wanting to withhold helpful treatments to children in need. You should be ashamed of yourself for pushing dangerous and ineffective chemicals into young developing childrens bodies and being completely ignorant of the importance of proper nourishment on our childrens health. Good health is impossible without good nutrition. Perhaps, but almost all diseases are still possible with good nutrition.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Actually no. Proper nourishment will completely eradicate diabetes, obesity, chrohn's and colitis, most heart disease, most cancers and most mental illness. Start reading he http://www.westonaprice.org/splash_2.htm-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Good diet ; excercise and adequate sun exposure [ vitamin d] in fact will go a long way toward optimal health. Most drugs just mask symtoms ;. Thanks Vince- Agreed. The key is in what good diet is. Most people think that low-fat high-carb low-salt in foods in moderate amounts is just a fine diet. Except that there are way too many highly processed crap foods being sold as health food that fit that description but provide no real nutrition. Real food is real meat, real fresh produce cooked the traditional way. Without real nutrition we cannot thrive. |
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A new study shows Ritalin used for ADHD "May affect developing brain'
On Jul 23, 4:36 pm, TC wrote:
On Jul 23, 3:04 pm, bigvince wrote: On Jul 23, 2:10 pm, TC wrote: On Jul 23, 12:01 pm, The One True Zhen Jue wrote: On Jul 23, 12:20 pm, TC wrote: On Jul 22, 12:28 pm, The One True Zhen Jue wrote: On Jul 22, 10:04 am, bigvince wrote: A new study states that ""These brain tissue findings revealed Ritalin-associated changes in four main areas," Dr. Milner says. "First, we noticed alterations in brain chemicals such as catecholamines and norepinephrine in the rats' prefrontal cortex - a part of the mammalian brain responsible for higher executive thinking and decision-making. There were also significant changes in catecholamine function in the hippocampus, a center for memory and learning." Sounds like these are positive changes, Vince. Wouldn't that be a total shame if these children were experiencing permanent improvements as a result of taking Ritalin? "Sounds like these are positive changes"? Is that a definite enough assessment of benefit vs risk for you to put your children on these meds? Why, of course not! Do you know so little about medical practice that you would think: A. That I'd make a definitive assesment from a comment in a usenet forum B. That I'd step that far out of my scope of practice and recommend an Rx med C. That my kid has a condition like ADHD in the first place These kids do not develop ADHD, etc. because they lack these meds in their systems. They develop them from poor diet. Nutrient deficiency from the time of conception thru their infancy to their present age. http://www.1stholistic.com/Nutrition...f-symptoms.htm What about those who are properly nourished? They are the majority of those with ADHD. Malnutrition is seldom a co-factor in the USA. Is that right? Malnutrition is seldom a co-factor in the USA? How would you know that? Let's look at the bigger picture. In the USA, there has never been more sickness or more prescriptions or more doctors as there is today. Diabetes, obesity, Chrohns's disease, celiac disease, heart disease, mental illness. All these diseases are at an all time high. These all share a common co-factor. Diet and malnourishment. Most people suffer from not just one but a combination of all these conditions, and the common co-factor is diet and malnourishment. ADHD is a modern disease. What has changed in the last 100 years? Diet. Processed and manufactured foods. White bread. Polished rice. Sugars. Soft drinks. High fructose corn syrup. Pasta. Junk food. There was no such thing as ADHD when I grew up. Few, if any, of my classmates in the 1960's and 1970's suffered from anything even ressembling ADHD. But we ate real bacom and eggs. Real pot roasts and real potatoes. Soft drinks were a once-a-month treat. Same with candies and chocolate milk. RTE breakfast cereals were an expensive treat for those who could afford it, and few of my classmates families could afford them. We did not have a cupboard full of processed and manufactured boxed treats to eat from every evening in front of the TV. None of the diseases mentioned above exist because of a lack of prescription drugs in our systems. And none of them are actually cured with the huge amounts of prescription drug available to us. No one is being helped. they are only being "treated", and at a very high cost in terms of dollars and in terms of our health. Anxiety, depression, irritability, emotional, mental impairment, instability, nervousness, are all symptoms of many individual vitamin deficiencies and will manifest in cases of general malnourishment. But our medical doctors weren't taught this in Med School. They were taught to prescribes meds. In fact, they may only get a basic three month Intro to Nutrition, if they are lucky. If you can treat the condition effectively with nutrition, good for you! Make it happen, captain! If the condition can't be treated with nutrition, something else is required. Ritalin is used because it works for a great number of people with this condition. Its been on the market for several decades and it is safe when taken as directed. So why get in a tither over it? If you don't want it, by all means, don't take it. Ritalin does not work. Like many other drugs all it does is make the patient feel "different" or it appears to calm them down for a short period of time therefore you believe that it is doing something. But at what cost to the long term development of the childs mind and general health. And why not first try to resolve it with proper diet? The first thing that should be addressed is nourishment. I've never heard of any modern day doctor who has ever even considered nourishment to treat any case where Ritalin can just as easily be prescribed. And that is the fatal flaw with moderm allopathic medicine. People (ie. doctors) who have no concept whatsoever of the essentiality of nutrients pretending and presuming to treat our illnesses. Absurd. It does appear, from the article, the neurological changes are beneficial. Wouldn't that be a total shame if these children were experiencing permanent improvements as a result of taking Ritalin? Appearantly, you think so. You'd be angry if it were helping these children which speaks volumes about your agenda. Children be damned, you've got your dogma and its "Drugs is alwayz bad" Drugs *are* always bad when the safer and more common-sensical alternative treatments are not only not tried but are virtually unknown by those presuming to treat our illnesses. My comment stands. You should be ashamed of yourself for wanting to withhold helpful treatments to children in need. You should be ashamed of yourself for pushing dangerous and ineffective chemicals into young developing childrens bodies and being completely ignorant of the importance of proper nourishment on our childrens health. Good health is impossible without good nutrition. Perhaps, but almost all diseases are still possible with good nutrition.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Actually no. Proper nourishment will completely eradicate diabetes, obesity, chrohn's and colitis, most heart disease, most cancers and most mental illness. Start reading he http://www.westonaprice.org/splash_2.htm-Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Good diet ; excercise and adequate sun exposure [ vitamin d] in fact will go a long way toward optimal health. Most drugs just mask symtoms ;. Thanks Vince- Agreed. The key is in what good diet is. Most people think that low-fat high-carb low-salt in foods in moderate amounts is just a fine diet. Except that there are way too many highly processed crap foods being sold as health food that fit that description but provide no real nutrition. Real food is real meat, real fresh produce cooked the traditional way. Without real nutrition we cannot thrive.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Most people do very well on a low carb Diet . More quality fats and complex carbs [ vegetables ] less sugars and simple grains. Thanks Vince |
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