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Old May 17th 07, 08:54 PM posted to alt.child-support
whatamess
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Since CPs claim that it costs SO MUCH MORE money to have an additional
child in the home...meals, electricity, insurance, mortgage, etc...How
do they make ends meet once the child support is over, at let's say
18? Do they all of a sudden go hungry or does the CP lose their house
since they can no longer afford the house payment for the additional
child/adult, do they lose their car or insurance since they can no
longer pay the original amount? Or maybe the electric company, the
mortgage company, etc...now lower their bills so they can manage???
Or do they just kick out the 18 year old as soon as the last check
comes in? Or do they make that 18 year old get a job and pay the
equivalent of what the non-custodial parent paid in CS, so that they
all still have a roof over their head, electricity, etc???

I'm just wondering since they all claim that the cost of child support
is NEVER enough to cover the additional cost of raising a child...then
you would think they lose their house, get their electricity shut down
or kick out their kid and all of a sudden, their bills are reduced by
1K (or whatever the CS amount is) so they can continue their lives?

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Old May 17th 07, 10:36 PM posted to alt.child-support
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"whatamess" wrote in message
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Since CPs claim that it costs SO MUCH MORE money to have an additional
child in the home...meals, electricity, insurance, mortgage, etc...


A CP's personal living expenses would be the same regardless if they had a
child living in the house or not.




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Old May 17th 07, 10:42 PM posted to alt.child-support
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"whatamess" wrote
Since CPs claim that it costs SO MUCH MORE money to have an additional
child in the home...meals, electricity, insurance, mortgage, etc...How
do they make ends meet once the child support is over, at let's say
18? Do they all of a sudden go hungry or does the CP lose their house
since they can no longer afford the house payment for the additional
child/adult, do they lose their car or insurance since they can no
longer pay the original amount? Or maybe the electric company, the
mortgage company, etc...now lower their bills so they can manage???
Or do they just kick out the 18 year old as soon as the last check
comes in? Or do they make that 18 year old get a job and pay the
equivalent of what the non-custodial parent paid in CS, so that they
all still have a roof over their head, electricity, etc???

==
My husband's ex did nearly all the above even though she had a decent salary
of her own as a college instructor.
Stepson came to live with us when he turned 18 as his mom kicked him
out--said she
couldn't afford him without CS. He finished school and college here. He was
only in
10th grade at 18 because he had learning disabilities. He thrived here and
went on to state university
(here). He's now 27 but has been on his own for several years. I have no
idea how his mother is
doing financially now. The judge did tell her at the last hearing (years
ago) that she was going
to have to learn to live on less money. She had asked the court to increase
the CS for the remaining child
to the amt we were paying for the two ($1200.mo). Yep--She tried :-)


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Old May 18th 07, 02:08 AM posted to alt.child-support
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On May 17, 2:54�pm, whatamess wrote:
Since CPs claim that it costs SO MUCH MORE money to have an additional
child in the home...meals, electricity, insurance, mortgage, etc...How
do they make ends meet once the child support is over, at let's say
18? *Do they all of a sudden go hungry or does the CP lose their house
since they can no longer afford the house payment for the additional
child/adult, do they lose their car or insurance since they can no
longer pay the original amount? *Or maybe the electric company, the
mortgage company, etc...now lower their bills so they can manage???
Or do they just kick out the 18 year old as soon as the last check
comes in? *Or do they make that 18 year old get a job and pay the
equivalent of what the non-custodial parent paid in CS, so that they
all still have a roof over their head, electricity, etc???

I'm just wondering since they all claim that the cost of child support
is NEVER enough to cover the additional cost of raising a child...then
you would think they lose their house, get their electricity shut down
or kick out their kid and all of a sudden, their bills are reduced by
1K (or whatever the CS amount is) so they can continue their lives?


It's one of those mysteries that are never solved. Kind of like "is
the universe finite" or "does God exist".

I would think we will know indeed whether God does really exist before
we know the answer to YOUR question. God is the more logical of the
two.

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Old May 18th 07, 03:57 AM posted to alt.child-support
Bob Whiteside
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"whatamess" wrote in message
oups.com...
Since CPs claim that it costs SO MUCH MORE money to have an additional
child in the home...meals, electricity, insurance, mortgage, etc...How
do they make ends meet once the child support is over, at let's say
18? Do they all of a sudden go hungry or does the CP lose their house
since they can no longer afford the house payment for the additional
child/adult, do they lose their car or insurance since they can no
longer pay the original amount? Or maybe the electric company, the
mortgage company, etc...now lower their bills so they can manage???
Or do they just kick out the 18 year old as soon as the last check
comes in? Or do they make that 18 year old get a job and pay the
equivalent of what the non-custodial parent paid in CS, so that they
all still have a roof over their head, electricity, etc???

I'm just wondering since they all claim that the cost of child support
is NEVER enough to cover the additional cost of raising a child...then
you would think they lose their house, get their electricity shut down
or kick out their kid and all of a sudden, their bills are reduced by
1K (or whatever the CS amount is) so they can continue their lives?


CS is based on child rearing expenditure models within an intact family.
One of the "big lies" associated with CS is CP's believe it costs more to
raise those children in a single parent household so they complain the CS
money is not enough. The problem is too many CP's overspend on their own
personal lifestyles while the CS is pouring in and they blame the children
turning 18 for their reversal of fortune. This, for me, is one of the
saddest outcomes of huge CS awards and the failure of CP's to understand
their financial realities.


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Old May 18th 07, 04:10 AM posted to alt.child-support
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"Gini" wrote in message
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"whatamess" wrote
Since CPs claim that it costs SO MUCH MORE money to have an additional
child in the home...meals, electricity, insurance, mortgage, etc...How
do they make ends meet once the child support is over, at let's say
18? Do they all of a sudden go hungry or does the CP lose their house
since they can no longer afford the house payment for the additional
child/adult, do they lose their car or insurance since they can no
longer pay the original amount? Or maybe the electric company, the
mortgage company, etc...now lower their bills so they can manage???
Or do they just kick out the 18 year old as soon as the last check
comes in? Or do they make that 18 year old get a job and pay the
equivalent of what the non-custodial parent paid in CS, so that they
all still have a roof over their head, electricity, etc???

==
My husband's ex did nearly all the above even though she had a decent

salary
of her own as a college instructor.
Stepson came to live with us when he turned 18 as his mom kicked him
out--said she
couldn't afford him without CS. He finished school and college here. He

was
only in
10th grade at 18 because he had learning disabilities. He thrived here

and
went on to state university
(here). He's now 27 but has been on his own for several years. I have no
idea how his mother is
doing financially now. The judge did tell her at the last hearing (years
ago) that she was going
to have to learn to live on less money. She had asked the court to

increase
the CS for the remaining child
to the amt we were paying for the two ($1200.mo). Yep--She tried :-)


This brings to mind some questions. A child turns 18 thus becoming a legal
adult. For whatever reason, "child support" is ordered to continue. Can the
court legally prohibit the child from residing with the father? And if the
child lives with the father 100% of the time, does the father still have to
pay money to the mother?





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Old May 18th 07, 04:40 AM posted to alt.child-support
whatamess
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On May 17, 11:10 pm, "Chris" wrote:
"Gini" wrote in message

news:T_33i.7514$4a1.5640@trndny07...







"whatamess" wrote
Since CPs claim that it costs SO MUCH MORE money to have an additional
child in the home...meals, electricity, insurance, mortgage, etc...How
do they make ends meet once the child support is over, at let's say
18? Do they all of a sudden go hungry or does the CP lose their house
since they can no longer afford the house payment for the additional
child/adult, do they lose their car or insurance since they can no
longer pay the original amount? Or maybe the electric company, the
mortgage company, etc...now lower their bills so they can manage???
Or do they just kick out the 18 year old as soon as the last check
comes in? Or do they make that 18 year old get a job and pay the
equivalent of what the non-custodial parent paid in CS, so that they
all still have a roof over their head, electricity, etc???

==
My husband's ex did nearly all the above even though she had a decent

salary
of her own as a college instructor.
Stepson came to live with us when he turned 18 as his mom kicked him
out--said she
couldn't afford him without CS. He finished school and college here. He

was
only in
10th grade at 18 because he had learning disabilities. He thrived here

and
went on to state university
(here). He's now 27 but has been on his own for several years. I have no
idea how his mother is
doing financially now. The judge did tell her at the last hearing (years
ago) that she was going
to have to learn to live on less money. She had asked the court to

increase
the CS for the remaining child
to the amt we were paying for the two ($1200.mo). Yep--She tried :-)


This brings to mind some questions. A child turns 18 thus becoming a legal
adult. For whatever reason, "child support" is ordered to continue. Can the
court legally prohibit the child from residing with the father? And if the
child lives with the father 100% of the time, does the father still have to
pay money to the mother?



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Sounds reasonable to me...hehe...

OK, let's say actually that the same CP who kicks out the 18 yr. old
sates they have
to leave because they cannot afford them in their house...so 18 yr.
old goes to NCP house...
Then, NCP decides to take the CP to court to ask for child support
because the child
decides to go to school, therefore, the NCP will pay for college and
just needs the CP
to pay CS...hmmmm...DO YOU THINK THAT THE ORIGINAL CP WOULD ALL OF A
SUDDEN
SAY NO AND CLAIM THE 18YR OLD IS NOW AN ADULT? hehe...OR WOULD THEY
SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THERE NOT BEING ANY INCREMENTAL COST BECAUSE
THE NCP DIDN"T HAVE TO BUY A NEW HOUSE, blah, blah...hmmm...


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Old May 18th 07, 05:42 AM posted to alt.child-support
teachrmama
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"whatamess" wrote in message
oups.com...
On May 17, 11:10 pm, "Chris" wrote:
"Gini" wrote in message

news:T_33i.7514$4a1.5640@trndny07...







"whatamess" wrote
Since CPs claim that it costs SO MUCH MORE money to have an
additional
child in the home...meals, electricity, insurance, mortgage,
etc...How
do they make ends meet once the child support is over, at let's say
18? Do they all of a sudden go hungry or does the CP lose their
house
since they can no longer afford the house payment for the additional
child/adult, do they lose their car or insurance since they can no
longer pay the original amount? Or maybe the electric company, the
mortgage company, etc...now lower their bills so they can manage???
Or do they just kick out the 18 year old as soon as the last check
comes in? Or do they make that 18 year old get a job and pay the
equivalent of what the non-custodial parent paid in CS, so that they
all still have a roof over their head, electricity, etc???
==
My husband's ex did nearly all the above even though she had a decent

salary
of her own as a college instructor.
Stepson came to live with us when he turned 18 as his mom kicked him
out--said she
couldn't afford him without CS. He finished school and college here. He

was
only in
10th grade at 18 because he had learning disabilities. He thrived here

and
went on to state university
(here). He's now 27 but has been on his own for several years. I have
no
idea how his mother is
doing financially now. The judge did tell her at the last hearing
(years
ago) that she was going
to have to learn to live on less money. She had asked the court to

increase
the CS for the remaining child
to the amt we were paying for the two ($1200.mo). Yep--She tried :-)


This brings to mind some questions. A child turns 18 thus becoming a
legal
adult. For whatever reason, "child support" is ordered to continue. Can
the
court legally prohibit the child from residing with the father? And if
the
child lives with the father 100% of the time, does the father still have
to
pay money to the mother?



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Sounds reasonable to me...hehe...

OK, let's say actually that the same CP who kicks out the 18 yr. old
sates they have
to leave because they cannot afford them in their house...so 18 yr.
old goes to NCP house...
Then, NCP decides to take the CP to court to ask for child support
because the child
decides to go to school, therefore, the NCP will pay for college and
just needs the CP
to pay CS...hmmmm...DO YOU THINK THAT THE ORIGINAL CP WOULD ALL OF A
SUDDEN
SAY NO AND CLAIM THE 18YR OLD IS NOW AN ADULT? hehe...OR WOULD THEY
SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THERE NOT BEING ANY INCREMENTAL COST BECAUSE
THE NCP DIDN"T HAVE TO BUY A NEW HOUSE, blah, blah...hmmm...


Can you get a CS order if the "child" is already 18, and there was not an
order before? Doesn't the original order have to be in place before the
"child" reaches the age of majority?


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Old May 18th 07, 06:05 AM posted to alt.child-support
whatamess
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On May 18, 12:42 am, "teachrmama" wrote:
"whatamess" wrote in message

oups.com...





On May 17, 11:10 pm, "Chris" wrote:
"Gini" wrote in message


news:T_33i.7514$4a1.5640@trndny07...


"whatamess" wrote
Since CPs claim that it costs SO MUCH MORE money to have an
additional
child in the home...meals, electricity, insurance, mortgage,
etc...How
do they make ends meet once the child support is over, at let's say
18? Do they all of a sudden go hungry or does the CP lose their
house
since they can no longer afford the house payment for the additional
child/adult, do they lose their car or insurance since they can no
longer pay the original amount? Or maybe the electric company, the
mortgage company, etc...now lower their bills so they can manage???
Or do they just kick out the 18 year old as soon as the last check
comes in? Or do they make that 18 year old get a job and pay the
equivalent of what the non-custodial parent paid in CS, so that they
all still have a roof over their head, electricity, etc???
==
My husband's ex did nearly all the above even though she had a decent
salary
of her own as a college instructor.
Stepson came to live with us when he turned 18 as his mom kicked him
out--said she
couldn't afford him without CS. He finished school and college here. He
was
only in
10th grade at 18 because he had learning disabilities. He thrived here
and
went on to state university
(here). He's now 27 but has been on his own for several years. I have
no
idea how his mother is
doing financially now. The judge did tell her at the last hearing
(years
ago) that she was going
to have to learn to live on less money. She had asked the court to
increase
the CS for the remaining child
to the amt we were paying for the two ($1200.mo). Yep--She tried :-)


This brings to mind some questions. A child turns 18 thus becoming a
legal
adult. For whatever reason, "child support" is ordered to continue. Can
the
court legally prohibit the child from residing with the father? And if
the
child lives with the father 100% of the time, does the father still have
to
pay money to the mother?


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Sounds reasonable to me...hehe...


OK, let's say actually that the same CP who kicks out the 18 yr. old
sates they have
to leave because they cannot afford them in their house...so 18 yr.
old goes to NCP house...
Then, NCP decides to take the CP to court to ask for child support
because the child
decides to go to school, therefore, the NCP will pay for college and
just needs the CP
to pay CS...hmmmm...DO YOU THINK THAT THE ORIGINAL CP WOULD ALL OF A
SUDDEN
SAY NO AND CLAIM THE 18YR OLD IS NOW AN ADULT? hehe...OR WOULD THEY
SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THERE NOT BEING ANY INCREMENTAL COST BECAUSE
THE NCP DIDN"T HAVE TO BUY A NEW HOUSE, blah, blah...hmmm...


Can you get a CS order if the "child" is already 18, and there was not an
order before? Doesn't the original order have to be in place before the
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Well, then I guess the original NCP would be out of luck? So what
about a state that requires
CS through age 21??? At 18 the child could leave the house to go to
NCP and then because
there wasn't an order from the NCP BEFORE age of majority NCP would
not be entitled to CS?
Even worse...makes me wonder...

PS - I'm just throwing out crazy stuff that could really happen...I
don't know the law beyond the
age of 18...


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Old May 18th 07, 06:40 AM posted to alt.child-support
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"teachrmama" wrote in message
...

"whatamess" wrote in message
oups.com...
On May 17, 11:10 pm, "Chris" wrote:
"Gini" wrote in message

news:T_33i.7514$4a1.5640@trndny07...







"whatamess" wrote
Since CPs claim that it costs SO MUCH MORE money to have an
additional
child in the home...meals, electricity, insurance, mortgage,
etc...How
do they make ends meet once the child support is over, at let's say
18? Do they all of a sudden go hungry or does the CP lose their
house
since they can no longer afford the house payment for the

additional
child/adult, do they lose their car or insurance since they can no
longer pay the original amount? Or maybe the electric company, the
mortgage company, etc...now lower their bills so they can manage???
Or do they just kick out the 18 year old as soon as the last check
comes in? Or do they make that 18 year old get a job and pay the
equivalent of what the non-custodial parent paid in CS, so that

they
all still have a roof over their head, electricity, etc???
==
My husband's ex did nearly all the above even though she had a decent
salary
of her own as a college instructor.
Stepson came to live with us when he turned 18 as his mom kicked him
out--said she
couldn't afford him without CS. He finished school and college here.

He
was
only in
10th grade at 18 because he had learning disabilities. He thrived

here
and
went on to state university
(here). He's now 27 but has been on his own for several years. I have
no
idea how his mother is
doing financially now. The judge did tell her at the last hearing
(years
ago) that she was going
to have to learn to live on less money. She had asked the court to
increase
the CS for the remaining child
to the amt we were paying for the two ($1200.mo). Yep--She tried :-)

This brings to mind some questions. A child turns 18 thus becoming a
legal
adult. For whatever reason, "child support" is ordered to continue. Can
the
court legally prohibit the child from residing with the father? And if
the
child lives with the father 100% of the time, does the father still

have
to
pay money to the mother?



- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -



Sounds reasonable to me...hehe...

OK, let's say actually that the same CP who kicks out the 18 yr. old
sates they have
to leave because they cannot afford them in their house...so 18 yr.
old goes to NCP house...
Then, NCP decides to take the CP to court to ask for child support
because the child
decides to go to school, therefore, the NCP will pay for college and
just needs the CP
to pay CS...hmmmm...DO YOU THINK THAT THE ORIGINAL CP WOULD ALL OF A
SUDDEN
SAY NO AND CLAIM THE 18YR OLD IS NOW AN ADULT? hehe...OR WOULD THEY
SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THERE NOT BEING ANY INCREMENTAL COST BECAUSE
THE NCP DIDN"T HAVE TO BUY A NEW HOUSE, blah, blah...hmmm...


Can you get a CS order if the "child" is already 18, and there was not an
order before? Doesn't the original order have to be in place before the
"child" reaches the age of majority?


The state of Oregon changes this adult child attending school CS law about
as often as I change my underwear. Under prior law a CS order extending CS
beyond age 18 ended when an adult child stopped going to college. Under
current law a CS order can be reinstated if a child re-enrolls in college
before they reach age 21.

The problem with this law is the child has to ask to legally join the CS
case in order to force the CP to pay college support too. Otherwise, only
the NCP can be ordered to pay college support. The child has to hire an
attorney to get the CP to be ordered to pay CS just like the NCP. And if
they don't, any arrearage CS goes to the CP not the child as the law allows.
So NCP's must stay current on CS payments for college age children or the CS
money defaults to the CP.

These CS laws providing CS for college students are so filled with
exceptions and caveats it's difficult to keep up with them.


 




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