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Liberal minority
Despite the fact that spanking is probably much older than biblical
admonitions, no-spanks operate on the assumption that if they can just get rid of the Bible, especially a few choice verses in Proverbs, then spanking will disappear. While not true, recent public opinion poll data throws cold water on any chance of the Bible disappearing from America any time soon. According to a CBS poll, only 15% of Americans believe that evolution alone, absent divine intervention, explains human life. Those most likely to believe in evolution are college-educated liberals. Even there, only about 1/3 actually believes evolution explains the human race. Most Americans believe God was involved in a process. Those least likely to believe in evolution were those who go to church. Gallup found that Americans were more likely to go to church than Canadians. Americans were also twice as likely to believe that the Bible was the word of God. (A more recent Rasmussen Reports poll found almost 2/3 of Americans "believe the Bible is literally true and the Word of God.") Only 15% of Americans believe the Bible to be totally fictitious. Canadians were 2X as likely to think so. Americans are almost 2X as likely as Canadians to be conservative evangelical. Because of its historic ties to Britain, Canada is more influenced by Europe than is America. After all, America broke away from Britain, while Canada did not. Yet, Britain is not wholly European. As its historic antagonism with France clearly indicates, it feels itself separated from the Continent. According to a recent informal poll conducted at an Entente Cordiale art show, 86% of Brits think the French deserve their negative image. Only 27% of the French thought Brits felt that way about them. Clearly Britain is not Europe. Nor, more obviously, is Europe America. Several European cities have sought to ban Halloween because traditional Europeans see it as a crude example of crass American commercialism. European countries less hostile to Halloween are those with heavy American influences. Examples are Britain and Germany. In America, it is usually Christian fundamentalists that seek to ban Halloween! Meanwhile, European countries are more likely to ban spanking. America has not done so. Britain and Canada are in the middle. They restrict spanking, but do not ban it. American states most likely to restrict spanking to any appreciable degree are classified as liberal. Yet, over several decades, more Americans self-identify themselves as conservative rather than as liberal. Of equal interest is the fact that, with the exception of higher income brackets, men are no longer flocking to colleges. In particular, large chunks of the Hispanic influx are opting out of acculturation. The separatism for Hispanic men includes foregoing higher education. Even learning English is optional. Yet, in many areas of the country, Hispanics are the new demographic surge. Most are not self-identified liberals! Given the above, even subscribing to the erroneous no-spank argument that spanking begins and ends with the Bible, it is unlikely that spanking will disappear as a fact of life for most American children anytime soon. Christianity merely makes a convenient target for their considerable frustrations. |
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Opinions wrote: Despite the fact that spanking is probably much older than biblical admonitions, So was murder. no-spanks operate on the assumption that if they can just get rid of the Bible, especially a few choice verses in Proverbs, then spanking will disappear. No, they simply point out that it's the Old Testament. Haven't you heard the "good NEWS?" Show us in the NT where any such punitive attitude toward children exists please. On the other hand, being an athiest I don't care what superstition says, one way or the other. While not true, recent public opinion poll data throws cold water on any chance of the Bible disappearing from America any time soon. I gave up trusting the tooth fairy long ago. And there is no Easter Bunny. Trust me. According to a CBS poll, only 15% of Americans believe that evolution alone, absent divine intervention, explains human life. Those most likely to believe in evolution are college-educated liberals. Even there, only about 1/3 actually believes evolution explains the human race. Most Americans believe God was involved in a process. Those least likely to believe in evolution were those who go to church. Kiddo, I used to create survey instruments. I can, if I wanted, get anyone to say just about anything I wished...or the organization that might contract with me wanted. Don't trust polls. Certainly not a CBS one, as they are voluntary call in. Gallup found that Americans were more likely to go to church than Canadians. Americans were also twice as likely to believe that the Bible was the word of God. (A more recent Rasmussen Reports poll found almost 2/3 of Americans "believe the Bible is literally true and the Word of God.") Only 15% of Americans believe the Bible to be totally fictitious. Canadians were 2X as likely to think so. Americans are almost 2X as likely as Canadians to be conservative evangelical. "Rasmussen Reports?" Not religiously affiliated, are they? 0:- Count me in that 15%. In fact I believe there was a person now referred to as "Jesus" named Yeshua who lived about 2005 years ago and he said much of what is attributed to him. I do not believe, however, that he was a god or son of a god. And I am reasonable sure, since I was a bible student at one time, that he never said hitting children or even admonishing them was acceptable or good or taught them anything. Please show us where He did. Because of its historic ties to Britain, Canada is more influenced by Europe than is America. After all, America broke away from Britain, while Canada did not. Yet, Britain is not wholly European. As its historic antagonism with France clearly indicates, it feels itself separated from the Continent. According to a recent informal poll conducted at an Entente Cordiale art show, 86% of Brits think the French deserve their negative image. Only 27% of the French thought Brits felt that way about them. Clearly Britain is not Europe. Nor, more obviously, is Europe America. Several European cities have sought to ban Halloween because traditional Europeans see it as a crude example of crass American commercialism. European countries less hostile to Halloween are those with heavy American influences. Examples are Britain and Germany. In America, it is usually Christian fundamentalists that seek to ban Halloween! If you were actually a student of these issues you'd know very well that Judeo/Christianty was an amalgam of what came before it. Even the Virgin birth myth arose in another culture alongside Judiasm Meanwhile, European countries are more likely to ban spanking. America has not done so. Britain and Canada are in the middle. They restrict spanking, but do not ban it. American states most likely to restrict spanking to any appreciable degree are classified as liberal. Yet, over several decades, more Americans self-identify themselves as conservative rather than as liberal. Logical fallacy. One does not necessarily follow the other....conservatives can be against spanking. You are working on an elaborate lie, pretending that only liberals are opposed to spanking. It's simply not true. There is resistance against making spanking illegal, but that is a far cry from being for spanking. I spent nearly my entire adult life being against spanking and against making it illegal. I know many like me that do no wish to have more government than is absoluately necessary. I only changed recently in the face of the stupidity of the compulsives and apologists stubborn refusal to see what was in front of their faces...the outcomes, short term and long term, of spanking and otherwise humiliating children. Of equal interest is the fact that, with the exception of higher income brackets, men are no longer flocking to colleges. In particular, large chunks of the Hispanic influx are opting out of acculturation. The separatism for Hispanic men includes foregoing higher education. Even learning English is optional. Yet, in many areas of the country, Hispanics are the new demographic surge. Most are not self-identified liberals! Things change. I was the first in my family to attend college. Now all the kids in my family have. Most of us even had advanced degrees. In ONE short generation. As for hispanics, once they are here for a time, watch them flock to higher education. I watched this as a young man...in fact as a teen ager. Kids I grew up with from families that did not speak english well or some at all, sent their children to college. Hispanics. I love how illogical and stupid people can be. How they warp time and history to their beliefs and how they find outcomes that do not follow their babbling claims. Most of which are wrong in the first place. Given the above, even subscribing to the erroneous no-spank argument that spanking begins and ends with the Bible, Yet another erroneous belief. How do you explain those of other religions or none at all that spank? it is unlikely that spanking will disappear as a fact of life for most American children anytime soon. It will if there is a law passed banning it. And that can happen. There are many european countries that ban it that have highly diverse cultures, with large immigrant populations. Christianity merely makes a convenient target for their considerable frustrations. Hardly; as there are many ... I dare say most ... Christians that question the use of pain and humiliation on children. Only Christian Conservatives of the fundy persuasion attract our attention, Observer, among Christians that is. We have lots of other targets and they are falling rapidly. Take the school systems. Hell, even where paddling is still protected by law school district superintendents are telling their sattelites to NOT use it for fear of suit. I like that. It bring the real world to self deluding babbers such as you. I'm considering introducing a bill to my state making it legal to sue one's parents for damages from "spanking," and other forms of humiliation, just as an adult can sue for such things. You fools are going to find yourselves in very deep **** before long. Or recognize that you haven't shovelled yourselves out of your own spanking beliefs offal and it's up around your neck. Science is providing more and more clear proofs of what is up with spanking. And as interest becomes more intense, funding for further studies will cook the apologists and compulsives collective goose. You brought it on yourselves. Defending the assault of children by calling it by another name. And pretending it is non damaging and "teaches." Shame on you...............R R R R R R R 0:- |
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