Important Letter on Autism in Chicago Tribune

"Bryan Heit" wrote in message
...
Peter Moran wrote:
The statement indicating "mercury has been phased out of most
childhood vaccines" is a gross distortion of the truth. The flu
vaccine contains mercury and the number of flu shots given to children
has increased dramatically since 2004.


But the mercury exposure is vastly less. Is this an attempt to disguise
the fact that the incidence of autism is not droppping the way it should
with the dramatic reduction of thiomerosal exposure in various countries,
some well ahead of the United States? Should the incidence not have
dropped at least those of the 1970s, when far fewer vaccines were being
given?

Does anyone have true figures for the incidence? (Not the VAERS
fidures that the Geiers have been working from. They are clearly being
distorted by aberrant reporting behaviour.)


Here's the figures for Quebec, Canada. Has both pre- and -post
mercury-containing vaccine data. Autism incidence was measured in the
same population; the rate of autistics didn't vary greatly from the rates
published in other western countries:

http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...ype=HW CIT#R7

Bryan

Thanks. This would appear to conclusively prove that neither thiomerasol or
MMR vaccine are responsible for autism, at least in Quebec,.

Peter

In article , "Peter Moran"
pmoranATbodernet.com.au wrote:

"Bryan Heit" wrote in message
...
Peter Moran wrote:
The statement indicating "mercury has been phased out of most
childhood vaccines" is a gross distortion of the truth. The flu
vaccine contains mercury and the number of flu shots given to children
has increased dramatically since 2004.


But the mercury exposure is vastly less. Is this an attempt to disguise
the fact that the incidence of autism is not droppping the way it should
with the dramatic reduction of thiomerosal exposure in various countries,
some well ahead of the United States? Should the incidence not have
dropped at least those of the 1970s, when far fewer vaccines were being
given?

Does anyone have true figures for the incidence? (Not the VAERS
fidures that the Geiers have been working from. They are clearly being
distorted by aberrant reporting behaviour.)


Here's the figures for Quebec, Canada. Has both pre- and -post
mercury-containing vaccine data. Autism incidence was measured in the
same population; the rate of autistics didn't vary greatly from the rates
published in other western countries:


http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...ype=HW CIT#R7

Bryan

Thanks. This would appear to conclusively prove that neither thiomerasol or
MMR vaccine are responsible for autism, at least in Quebec,.

Peter

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Peter,
I done a google search for "causes of autism" and found out that
scientists are not 100 per cent sure related to the cause of autism. I
have noticed that various posters on both sides of this issue have
indicated in their posts the following: I am paraphrasing:

thimerosal causes autism.
thimerosal does not cause autism.
mercury causes autism.
mercury doew not cause autism.

The truth is that scientists are NOT 100 percent sure related to the cause
of autism.

Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

cathyb wrote:
Do you have any other sources of proof that are NOT selling something. The
Pfeiffer folks are sales folks.

Poor Mark. There is absolutely NO selling ON the webiste above.


It would appear that you are lying again, Jan. Or did you just miss
their "pharmacy"?


To the best of my knowledge, Pfeiffer is a non-profit organization that
specializes in treating childhood "pschiatric" disorders such as ADD,
ADHD, and autism by using biochemical methods plus by identifying
allergies. The woman that I spoke about, asked her pediatrician about
Pfeiffer before she went. Her pediatrician had 2 patients with ADHD,
both of whom were helped (perhaps "cured") by Pfeiffer with no drugs
being used. The woman who went to Pfeiffer had been told by all of the
medical "authorities" that nothing could be done for autism, and that
she should just learn to deal with it and give up all hope for a cure.

The differences in this autistic child after going to Pfeiffer are so
dramatic that the mother has told me it is almost like being given a new
child in place of the old one. Before, her son treated other children
like pieces of furniture to be avoided. He "melted down" so much that
every shopping trip ended with her carrying her son screaming
hysterically out of the store. He was kicked out of a mainstream
pre-school last fall (when he was 3) after just a few days. Now, he is
playing with other children, almost never melts down, is currently in a
half-day mainstream preschool, and has been admitted (after a test
visit) to a full-time mainstream preschool in the fall.

Now it is true that Pfeiffer charges for the tests that they do, and
they do have a pharmacy which sells what they prescribe (although most
of it can be bought elsewhere). If they were taking the money and
delivering nothing but false hopes, then they would be charlatans. I
have no idea what the overall success rate of Pfeiffer is, but I do know
that what they have accomplished in this one particular case is
something that is considered impossible by mainstream medicine.

However, if you believe that they are lying about the link with
metal-metabolism and autism in the Pfeiffer article, then the solution
is quite simple. Any of you who are researchers or who know of others
who are researchers, simply have to examine the biochemistry of autistic
children, show that Pfeiffer is lying, and publish that article in a
peer reviewed journal.

Ed Friedman

Ed Friedman wrote:
cathyb wrote:
Do you have any other sources of proof that are NOT selling
something. The
Pfeiffer folks are sales folks.

Poor Mark. There is absolutely NO selling ON the webiste above.


It would appear that you are lying again, Jan. Or did you just miss
their "pharmacy"?


To the best of my knowledge, Pfeiffer is a non-profit organization that
specializes in treating childhood "pschiatric" disorders such as ADD,
ADHD, and autism by using biochemical methods plus by identifying
allergies. The woman that I spoke about, asked her pediatrician about
Pfeiffer before she went. Her pediatrician had 2 patients with ADHD,
both of whom were helped (perhaps "cured") by Pfeiffer with no drugs
being used.

Ed, go back to school and learn something about AD/HD, its mechanisms,
its treatment, and, most importantly, that it is not an allergy. If it
were an allergy, it would be called "allergy", not AD/HD.

See:

http://tinyurl.com/r86xg

Pfeiffer uses some very questionable practices.


The woman who went to Pfeiffer had been told by all of the
medical "authorities" that nothing could be done for autism, and that
she should just learn to deal with it and give up all hope for a cure.

The differences in this autistic child after going to Pfeiffer are so
dramatic that the mother has told me it is almost like being given a new
child in place of the old one. Before, her son treated other children
like pieces of furniture to be avoided. He "melted down" so much that
every shopping trip ended with her carrying her son screaming
hysterically out of the store. He was kicked out of a mainstream
pre-school last fall (when he was 3) after just a few days. Now, he is
playing with other children, almost never melts down, is currently in a
half-day mainstream preschool, and has been admitted (after a test
visit) to a full-time mainstream preschool in the fall.

Now it is true that Pfeiffer charges for the tests that they do, and
they do have a pharmacy which sells what they prescribe (although most
of it can be bought elsewhere). If they were taking the money and
delivering nothing but false hopes, then they would be charlatans. I
have no idea what the overall success rate of Pfeiffer is, but I do know
that what they have accomplished in this one particular case is
something that is considered impossible by mainstream medicine.

However, if you believe that they are lying about the link with
metal-metabolism and autism in the Pfeiffer article, then the solution
is quite simple. Any of you who are researchers or who know of others
who are researchers, simply have to examine the biochemistry of autistic
children, show that Pfeiffer is lying, and publish that article in a
peer reviewed journal.

Ed Friedman

Jason Johnson wrote:
In article , "Peter Moran"
pmoranATbodernet.com.au wrote:

"Bryan Heit" wrote in message
...
Peter Moran wrote:
The statement indicating "mercury has been phased out of most
childhood vaccines" is a gross distortion of the truth. The flu
vaccine contains mercury and the number of flu shots given to children
has increased dramatically since 2004.


But the mercury exposure is vastly less. Is this an attempt to disguise
the fact that the incidence of autism is not droppping the way it should
with the dramatic reduction of thiomerosal exposure in various countries,
some well ahead of the United States? Should the incidence not have
dropped at least those of the 1970s, when far fewer vaccines were being
given?

Does anyone have true figures for the incidence? (Not the VAERS
fidures that the Geiers have been working from. They are clearly being
distorted by aberrant reporting behaviour.)


Here's the figures for Quebec, Canada. Has both pre- and -post
mercury-containing vaccine data. Autism incidence was measured in the
same population; the rate of autistics didn't vary greatly from the rates
published in other western countries:


http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...ype=HW CIT#R7

Bryan

Thanks. This would appear to conclusively prove that neither thiomerasol or
MMR vaccine are responsible for autism, at least in Quebec,.

Peter

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Peter,
I done a google search for "causes of autism" and found out that
scientists are not 100 per cent sure related to the cause of autism. I
have noticed that various posters on both sides of this issue have
indicated in their posts the following: I am paraphrasing:

thimerosal causes autism.
thimerosal does not cause autism.
mercury causes autism.
mercury doew not cause autism.

The truth is that scientists are NOT 100 percent sure related to the cause
of autism.

However, at this time, there is absolutely no credible evidence that
mercury/thimerosal causes autism. None. Epidemiological studies on
various populations, using different doses, etc. show NO relationship.

Mark Probert wrote:
Bryan Heit wrote:

Peter Moran wrote:

The statement indicating "mercury has been phased out of most
childhood vaccines" is a gross distortion of the truth. The flu
vaccine contains mercury and the number of flu shots given to children
has increased dramatically since 2004.



But the mercury exposure is vastly less. Is this an attempt to
disguise the fact that the incidence of autism is not droppping the
way it should with the dramatic reduction of thiomerosal exposure in
various countries, some well ahead of the United States? Should
the incidence not have dropped at least those of the 1970s, when far
fewer vaccines were being given?

Does anyone have true figures for the incidence? (Not the VAERS
fidures that the Geiers have been working from. They are clearly
being distorted by aberrant reporting behaviour.)



Here's the figures for Quebec, Canada. Has both pre- and -post
mercury-containing vaccine data. Autism incidence was measured in the
same population; the rate of autistics didn't vary greatly from the
rates published in other western countries:

http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...ype=HW CIT#R7



Since other western countries exposed their children to different
amounts of thimerosal, if there were causality, would their not be
higher rates at higher doses?

Assuming a relatively linear relationship between dose and incidence,
then yes. But in the cases of many toxins the dose isn't so much as
important as duration. Take smoking and lung cancer as an example. In
this case how long you smoke is a bigger factor then how much you smoke,
in terms of cancer risk. So long as you smoke above a certain amount
each week you have about the same risk as anyone else who's smoked for
the exact same amount of time, but at a higher intake of tobacco.

Bryan

Jason Johnson wrote:
In article , "Peter Moran"
pmoranATbodernet.com.au wrote:

"Bryan Heit" wrote in message
...
Peter Moran wrote:
The statement indicating "mercury has been phased out of most
childhood vaccines" is a gross distortion of the truth. The flu
vaccine contains mercury and the number of flu shots given to children
has increased dramatically since 2004.


But the mercury exposure is vastly less. Is this an attempt to disguise
the fact that the incidence of autism is not droppping the way it should
with the dramatic reduction of thiomerosal exposure in various countries,
some well ahead of the United States? Should the incidence not have
dropped at least those of the 1970s, when far fewer vaccines were being
given?

Does anyone have true figures for the incidence? (Not the VAERS
fidures that the Geiers have been working from. They are clearly being
distorted by aberrant reporting behaviour.)


Here's the figures for Quebec, Canada. Has both pre- and -post
mercury-containing vaccine data. Autism incidence was measured in the
same population; the rate of autistics didn't vary greatly from the rates
published in other western countries:


http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...ype=HW CIT#R7

Bryan

Thanks. This would appear to conclusively prove that neither thiomerasol or
MMR vaccine are responsible for autism, at least in Quebec,.

Peter

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Peter,
I done a google search for "causes of autism" and found out that
scientists are not 100 per cent sure related to the cause of autism. I
have noticed that various posters on both sides of this issue have
indicated in their posts the following: I am paraphrasing:


Jason, you keep posting the exact same crap. I pointed out the first
time you asked this question what the major causes of autism are, from a
scientific stand point. The main two factors are genetics and
autoimmunity. No conclusive link between autism and vaccinations has
ever been proven. In fact, the opposite is true. The paper Peter, Mark
and I were talking about is pretty conclusive proof that vaccinations
are not the cause. And it is one of about 8 major studies which all
show the same thing.

As I said previously, use pubmed.gov of you want results from scientific
sources.

Bryan

Jan Drew wrote:
"Bryan Heit" wrote:
Does anyone have true figures for the incidence? (Not the VAERS
fidures that the Geiers have been working from. They are clearly being
distorted by aberrant reporting behaviour.)


Here's the figures for Quebec, Canada. Has both pre- and -post
mercury-containing vaccine data. Autism incidence was measured in the
same population; the rate of autistics didn't vary greatly from the rates
published in other western countries:

http://pediatrics


Not a good source.

Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. The most respected medical journal on childhood
disease is not a good source? Just what is Jan?

Bryan

In article , Mark Probert
wrote:


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Peter,
I done a google search for "causes of autism" and found out that
scientists are not 100 per cent sure related to the cause of autism. I
have noticed that various posters on both sides of this issue have
indicated in their posts the following: I am paraphrasing:

thimerosal causes autism.
thimerosal does not cause autism.
mercury causes autism.
mercury doew not cause autism.

The truth is that scientists are NOT 100 percent sure related to the cause
of autism.

However, at this time, there is absolutely no credible evidence that
mercury/thimerosal causes autism. None. Epidemiological studies on
various populations, using different doses, etc. show NO relationship.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mark,
There are other studies mentioned in this report that do show a relationship.

I typed "causes of autism" into the google search engine and could not find
any medical research reports related to the cause of autism. I found the
following
information at the EIR (Environmental Illness Resources) website. I deleted the
portions of the article related to causes other than heavy metals such as
chemical exposure.

Source: EIR website

Heavy Metal Toxicity
Another finding in autistic children is a higher level of heavy metals
than normal. One source of mercury exposure in early life is through
vaccinations. Thimerosal is a preservative used in many vaccinations to
prevent contamination. Thimerosal is 49.6% mercury by weight. Shockingly
in 1999 the American Food and Drug Administration released a report
stating that children who received thimerosal containing vaccinations at
multiple visits may be exposed to more mercury than is recommended by
federal guidelines. In fact, children may have been receiving 100 times
the 0.1 micrograms per kilogram of daily exposure considered safe by most
authorities worldwide. This report has, however, resulted in positive
action being taken. Following the publication of the report, the
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and Centers for Disease Control
(CDC) recommended that thimerosal be removed from all vaccines given to
children. A study of 2 US government databases in March 2006 shows that in
the 4 years following the recommended removal of thimerosal from childrens
vaccines, exposure of children to this toxin was reduced to almost zero,
and most importantly, new cases of autism actually began to decrease.

Mercury is a known neurotoxin and could be especially harmful to the
developing brains of young children. Mercury also disrupts biochemistry
and can result in dysfunction of multiple enzyme systems and damage to
cell membranes and many proteins involved in all bodily functions. As can
be said for the MMR vaccine, increases in vaccinations correlate well with
increases in incidence of ASD's.

In a paper published in the journal Neurotoxicology by The Coalition for
Safe Minds in 2001, the authors seek to determine the levels of mercury
that could be expected upon hair analysis, based upon the amounts of
mercury in vaccines routinely given to infants and children.(12). The
paper predicts, based upon a proven model, that giving children all the
usual vaccinations, using thimerosal containing vaccines would result in a
hair concentration of greater than 1ppm (parts per million) of mercury for
up to 365 days with various peaks during that period. 1ppm is the safe
limit set by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). Research at the
UCLA Medical Center in California has also shown that Thimerosal (when
bound to human albumin protein) triggers an immune system reaction in
autistic children, resulting in the production of antibodies (17). This
indicates a possible autoimmune reaction as the immune system could react
against any of the child's own tissues that happen to have Thimerosal
bound to them.

Obviously children are exposed to mercury from other sources as well so
their actual mercury levels could be expected to be even higher than this.
The paper notes that:

"exposure to low levels of mercury during critical stages of development
has been associated with neurological disorders in children, including
ADD, learning difficulties, and speech delays, the predicted hair Hg
(mercury) concentration resulting from childhood immunizations is cause
for concern."

A paper published in March 2006 in Environmental Health Perspectives would
seem to shed more light on the mechanisms by which thimerosal can damage a
childs health. Researchers at University of California, Davis, have found
that in mice at least, thimerosal can disrupt the immune system. This
large, well funded study for the university's MIND Institute and the
National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences is sure to be an
important indicator of where future research should be focused. The
researchers in this study looked at dendritic cells which can be described
as messengers within the immune system. These cells take up invaders such
as bacteria, viruses and other antigens such as vaccine ingredients and
process them. They then migrate to the lymph nodes to present their
information to other immune cells, which can activate a systemic immune
response. The research shows that these dendritic cells, especially the
normal biochemical signals they process, are highly sensitive to
thimerosal. With low concentrations of thimerosal, an inflammatory
response occurs and with higher concentrations the cell is actually
killed. These reactions could lead to any number of unwanted, and
uncontrolled, effects within the immune system.

Autistic children often show signs of immunological dysfunction with
allergies, gut disorders and frequent infections being common. The effects
of thimerosal on the immune system, that this study demonstrates, provides
one possible explanation of why this is the case.

Of course, mercury is not the only heavy metal that can cause health
problems and vaccinations are not the only source of exposure to mercury.
Other possible sources of heavy metal exposure are contaminated food and
water supplies. Fish is particularly associated with contamination as
oceanic pollution becomes more concentrated as it moves up the food chain
to predatory fish..



Chemical Exposure
A number of researchers and institutions are now studying the possible
role of exposure to chemicals in ASD's. A major study is underway at The
UC Davis M.I.N.D. Institute, Schools of Medicine and Veterinary Medicine,
and the College of Agricultural and Environmental Sciences funded by the
National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences. Professor Isaac
Pessah who is involved with this study states:

" Environmental exp

Jason Johnson wrote:
In article , Mark Probert
wrote:


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Peter,
I done a google search for "causes of autism" and found out that
scientists are not 100 per cent sure related to the cause of autism. I
have noticed that various posters on both sides of this issue have
indicated in their posts the following: I am paraphrasing:

thimerosal causes autism.
thimerosal does not cause autism.
mercury causes autism.
mercury doew not cause autism.

The truth is that scientists are NOT 100 percent sure related to the cause
of autism.

However, at this time, there is absolutely no credible evidence that
mercury/thimerosal causes autism. None. Epidemiological studies on
various populations, using different doses, etc. show NO relationship.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mark,
There are other studies mentioned in this report that do show a relationship.

I typed "causes of autism" into the google search engine and could not find
any medical research reports related to the cause of autism. I found the
following
information at the EIR (Environmental Illness Resources) website. I deleted the
portions of the article related to causes other than heavy metals such as
chemical exposure.

Source: EIR website

That is: http://www.ei-resource.org/autism.asp

The page on Autism contains this sentence:

"Thimerosal is 49.6% mercury by weight."

I presume that you have taken at least a high school level course in
chemistry. If not, quit reading.

This quote is UTTERLY MEANINGLESS. It is a standard claim of the
anti-vac fearmongers.

What it is saying is that the one mercury atom in a molecule of
thimerosal is 49.65 of the molecular weight, and that this means
something. It does not. Molecular weight has NO bearing on the chemical
activity of the compound.

Once I see a standard bull**** line....

BTW, the page is OLD. It still references Wakefield's yarn which the BMJ
withdrew.