Child Support HELP She wants child support & I had custody!

"frazil" wrote in message
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Live Wire Cycles NY/LI wrote in message
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...............................................
Can I sue her NOW for back child support because she never paid me a
dime?

Most likely not.

How long can someone go after someone for child support?

Forever, but they have to first have a judgement against you. And they
can
only go after you for back CS from the date the request to receive CS was
filed with the courts.
==
Not necessarily--This varies by state. Unless there has been a recent
change, in PA child support can be filed for
after the child reaches the age of majority as long as the the adult child
signs the petition for support. A judgement is not required . The CS award
will be based on the NCP parent's income
at the time the child was a minor, if the income can be proven, and support
was not paid.
If the income cannot be determined, the NCP's current income is used. We
were
in this situation as well. With all the CS we have paid to my husband's ex,
we never filed for support
from her for the years he was with us and it would now be a substantial
amount. BUT, because
my stepson would have to be a party to the action against his mother, we
will not do it. If it
just weren't for that little glitch. The amazing thing is that after all the
squawking she did over every
damn dime, she never, ever gave us a dime of support. It hasn't even
occurred to her that she might
have an obligation to us. Under statute, we could file for 4 years of
support from her.
She hasn't a clue. I would just love to see her face-- :-O (A fantasy that
will never come true.)
==
==

These people accessed my Credit through all services! Claimed that they
needed to contact me and didn't know where I was! When I called back and
talked to Cameron (supv.) he informed me that he has a number of about
$17,766.00 right now with interest and fee's which clearly states that my
ex. has made the claim that she has been the custodial parent through-out
all of these years! This was done through the US Postal System. I need to
get the change of custody papers otherwise I am totally screwed forever.
Doesn't matter what I can prove otherwise, and these people don't care about
that. There is no judgment! I need a very creative lawyer in New York! Who
is the best with respect to these types of cases? Does anyone know of a few
top lawyers? I would rather pay a lawyer and sue her for FRAUD. Actually, I
was never represented by a lawyer in my divorce and the divorce papers are
the only documents that they have to work with. They claimed to have a power
of attorney from my ex and an affidavit that clearly states the amount that
they believe is owed. They claimed that they sent a letter that I never
received.

After all these years of taking care of my son, a mentally handicapped boy
who I sacrificed everything in my life to stand by, I have this to deal
with. All of that doesn't matter to these people. This organization could
care less! All this is about is money to them.

Yesterday: the name of the organization is Supportkids, Inc.:
Profile

Participant through 1/31/2004

Company Information

Supportkids, Inc.

4120 Friedrich Lane

Austin, TX 78744 Phone: 512-437-6000

Fax: 512-437-6030

Email:

Product Description: Company sells child support recovery services through
the web.

Business Start Date: Monday, April 01, 1991

Bureau File Open Date: Monday, November 25, 1991

Company Management: Richard Hoffman, CEO

Customer Service Contact:

Yvonne Johnson

Director of Client Services Phone: 512-437-6000

Email:



To search Better Business Bureau Company Reports, click here

As a BBBOnLine Participant, this company is a member of the Better Business

Bureau, and accordingly meets all BBB membership standards. As a matter of

policy, the Better Business Bureau does not endorse any product, service or

company. BBB reports are provided solely to assist you in your own best

judgement. BBB reports are subject to change at any time.

__________________________________________________ __________________
"gini52" wrote in message
...

"frazil" wrote in message
...

Live Wire Cycles NY/LI wrote in message
...
..............................................
Can I sue her NOW for back child support because she never paid me a
dime?

Most likely not.

How long can someone go after someone for child support?

Forever, but they have to first have a judgement against you. And they
can
only go after you for back CS from the date the request to receive CS
was
filed with the courts.
==
Not necessarily--This varies by state. Unless there has been a recent
change, in PA child support can be filed for
after the child reaches the age of majority as long as the the adult child
signs the petition for support. A judgement is not required . The CS
award
will be based on the NCP parent's income
at the time the child was a minor, if the income can be proven, and
support
was not paid.
If the income cannot be determined, the NCP's current income is used. We
were
in this situation as well. With all the CS we have paid to my husband's
ex,
we never filed for support
from her for the years he was with us and it would now be a substantial
amount. BUT, because
my stepson would have to be a party to the action against his mother, we
will not do it. If it
just weren't for that little glitch. The amazing thing is that after all
the
squawking she did over every
damn dime, she never, ever gave us a dime of support. It hasn't even
occurred to her that she might
have an obligation to us. Under statute, we could file for 4 years of
support from her.
She hasn't a clue. I would just love to see her face-- :-O (A fantasy
that
will never come true.)
==
==

"frazil" wrote in message
...
Something is fishy about your story. SupportKids makes it *very clear*
that
in order to enlist their services the CP must have a court order requiring
payment of CS from the NCP.

From your story I suspect that your change of custody order doesn't
mention
relieving you of the requirment to pay support to the mother. Custody and
support are separate matters.
===
In our case, when my stepson came to live with us, we continued paying
support for the
child with the CP but did not get a change of custody or a CS modification.
At that time, my husband was ordered to pay 300. every two weeks for the
kids. When my stepson lived with us, we paid her 150. every two weeks. When
the
ex went to court to try to get support for the child we had physical custody
of, the judge turned her down.
She said, "Yes he lived with his dad and he didn't pay my support for him
during all that time." The judge told her
he wasn't going to give her CS for a child she didn't have custody of. This
was one of our victories
in the CS case from hell. It might have been overturned on appeal but she
did not appeal.
===
===
IOW getting a change in custody doesn't
automatically mean that the CS arrangement changes. You should have
gotten
the change in CS spelled out in the change of custody order, or a separate
order making the change in CS. If you didn't get either of these things,
you could have serious problem. You better hire a very good lawyer.

Another possibility, assuming that you have a specific order relieving you
CS or such language in the change of custody order, is that the former CP
hasn't shared that information with support kids. This is a remote
possibility, because, as I recall, support kids researches the case to
insure that they have all the pertinent information.

In any event, the whole story is not being told here, and in the remote
possibility that you have told the whole story, you may have a case
against
SupportKids, and SupportKids and you may have case against her. If what
you
say is true, I'd look into the possibility of filing a cease and dissist
petition with the Texas courts. But you had better have all the court
papers showing that they are wrongly pursuing you.

Good luck, I have a feeling your going to need it.

Live Wire Cycles NY/LI wrote in message
...
These people accessed my Credit through all services! Claimed that they
needed to contact me and didn't know where I was! When I called back and
talked to Cameron (supv.) he informed me that he has a number of about
$17,766.00 right now with interest and fee's which clearly states that
my
ex. has made the claim that she has been the custodial parent
through-out
all of these years! This was done through the US Postal System. I need
to
get the change of custody papers otherwise I am totally screwed forever.
Doesn't matter what I can prove otherwise, and these people don't care
about
that. There is no judgment! I need a very creative lawyer in New York!
Who
is the best with respect to these types of cases? Does anyone know of a
few
top lawyers? I would rather pay a lawyer and sue her for FRAUD.
Actually,
I
was never represented by a lawyer in my divorce and the divorce papers
are
the only documents that they have to work with. They claimed to have a
power
of attorney from my ex and an affidavit that clearly states the amount
that
they believe is owed. They claimed that they sent a letter that I never
received.

After all these years of taking care of my son, a mentally handicapped
boy
who I sacrificed everything in my life to stand by, I have this to deal
with. All of that doesn't matter to these people. This organization
could
care less! All this is about is money to them.

Yesterday: the name of the organization is Supportkids, Inc.:
Profile

Participant through 1/31/2004

Company Information

Supportkids, Inc.

4120 Friedrich Lane

Austin, TX 78744 Phone: 512-437-6000

Fax: 512-437-6030

Email:

Product Description: Company sells child support recovery services
through
the web.

Business Start Date: Monday, April 01, 1991

Bureau File Open Date: Monday, November 25, 1991

Company Management: Richard Hoffman, CEO

Customer Service Contact:

Yvonne Johnson

Director of Client Services Phone: 512-437-6000

Email:



To search Better Business Bureau Company Reports, click here

As a BBBOnLine Participant, this company is a member of the Better
Business

Bureau, and accordingly meets all BBB membership standards. As a matter
of

policy, the Better Business Bureau does not endorse any product, service
or

company. BBB reports are provided solely to assist you in your own best

judgement. BBB reports are subject to change at any time.

__________________________________________________ __________________
"gini52" wrote in message
...

"frazil" wrote in message
...

Live Wire Cycles NY/LI wrote in message
...
..............................................
Can I sue her NOW for back child support because she never paid me
a
dime?

Most likely not.

How long can someone go after someone for child support?

Forever, but they have to first have a judgement against you. And
they
can
only go after you for back CS from the date the request to receive
CS
was
filed with the courts.
==
Not necessarily--This varies by state. Unless there has been a recent
change, in PA child support can be filed for
after the child reaches the age of majority as long as the the adult
child
signs the petition for support. A judgement is not required . The CS
award
will be based on the NCP parent's income
at the time the child was a minor, if the income can be proven, and
support
was not paid.
If the income cannot be determined, the NCP's current income is used.
We
were
in this situation as well. With all the CS we have paid to my
husband's
ex,
we never filed for support
from her for the years he was with us and it would now be a
substantial
amount. BUT, because
my stepson would have to be a party to the action against his mother,
we
will not do it. If it
just weren't for that little glitch. The amazing thing is that after
all
the
squawking she did over every
damn dime, she never, ever gave us a dime of support. It hasn't even
occurred to her that she might
have an obligation to us. Under statute, we could file for 4 years of
support from her.
She hasn't a clue. I would just love to see her face-- :-O (A fantasy
that
will never come true.)
==
==

Something is fishy about your story. SupportKids makes it *very clear* that
in order to enlist their services the CP must have a court order requiring
payment of CS from the NCP.

From your story I suspect that your change of custody order doesn't mention
relieving you of the requirment to pay support to the mother. Custody and
support are separate matters. IOW getting a change in custody doesn't
automatically mean that the CS arrangement changes. You should have gotten
the change in CS spelled out in the change of custody order, or a separate
order making the change in CS. If you didn't get either of these things,
you could have serious problem. You better hire a very good lawyer.

Another possibility, assuming that you have a specific order relieving you
CS or such language in the change of custody order, is that the former CP
hasn't shared that information with support kids. This is a remote
possibility, because, as I recall, support kids researches the case to
insure that they have all the pertinent information.

In any event, the whole story is not being told here, and in the remote
possibility that you have told the whole story, you may have a case against
SupportKids, and SupportKids and you may have case against her. If what you
say is true, I'd look into the possibility of filing a cease and dissist
petition with the Texas courts. But you had better have all the court
papers showing that they are wrongly pursuing you.

Good luck, I have a feeling your going to need it.

Live Wire Cycles NY/LI wrote in message
...
These people accessed my Credit through all services! Claimed that they
needed to contact me and didn't know where I was! When I called back and
talked to Cameron (supv.) he informed me that he has a number of about
$17,766.00 right now with interest and fee's which clearly states that my
ex. has made the claim that she has been the custodial parent through-out
all of these years! This was done through the US Postal System. I need to
get the change of custody papers otherwise I am totally screwed forever.
Doesn't matter what I can prove otherwise, and these people don't care
about
that. There is no judgment! I need a very creative lawyer in New York! Who
is the best with respect to these types of cases? Does anyone know of a
few
top lawyers? I would rather pay a lawyer and sue her for FRAUD. Actually,
I
was never represented by a lawyer in my divorce and the divorce papers are
the only documents that they have to work with. They claimed to have a
power
of attorney from my ex and an affidavit that clearly states the amount
that
they believe is owed. They claimed that they sent a letter that I never
received.

After all these years of taking care of my son, a mentally handicapped boy
who I sacrificed everything in my life to stand by, I have this to deal
with. All of that doesn't matter to these people. This organization could
care less! All this is about is money to them.

Yesterday: the name of the organization is Supportkids, Inc.:
Profile

Participant through 1/31/2004

Company Information

Supportkids, Inc.

4120 Friedrich Lane

Austin, TX 78744 Phone: 512-437-6000

Fax: 512-437-6030

Email:

Product Description: Company sells child support recovery services through
the web.

Business Start Date: Monday, April 01, 1991

Bureau File Open Date: Monday, November 25, 1991

Company Management: Richard Hoffman, CEO

Customer Service Contact:

Yvonne Johnson

Director of Client Services Phone: 512-437-6000

Email:



To search Better Business Bureau Company Reports, click here

As a BBBOnLine Participant, this company is a member of the Better
Business

Bureau, and accordingly meets all BBB membership standards. As a matter of

policy, the Better Business Bureau does not endorse any product, service
or

company. BBB reports are provided solely to assist you in your own best

judgement. BBB reports are subject to change at any time.

__________________________________________________ __________________
"gini52" wrote in message
...

"frazil" wrote in message
...

Live Wire Cycles NY/LI wrote in message
...
..............................................
Can I sue her NOW for back child support because she never paid me a
dime?

Most likely not.

How long can someone go after someone for child support?

Forever, but they have to first have a judgement against you. And
they
can
only go after you for back CS from the date the request to receive CS
was
filed with the courts.
==
Not necessarily--This varies by state. Unless there has been a recent
change, in PA child support can be filed for
after the child reaches the age of majority as long as the the adult
child
signs the petition for support. A judgement is not required . The CS
award
will be based on the NCP parent's income
at the time the child was a minor, if the income can be proven, and
support
was not paid.
If the income cannot be determined, the NCP's current income is used. We
were
in this situation as well. With all the CS we have paid to my husband's
ex,
we never filed for support
from her for the years he was with us and it would now be a substantial
amount. BUT, because
my stepson would have to be a party to the action against his mother, we
will not do it. If it
just weren't for that little glitch. The amazing thing is that after all
the
squawking she did over every
damn dime, she never, ever gave us a dime of support. It hasn't even
occurred to her that she might
have an obligation to us. Under statute, we could file for 4 years of
support from her.
She hasn't a clue. I would just love to see her face-- :-O (A fantasy
that
will never come true.)
==
==

George,

Didn't you say you were going to talk to an attorney? I thought you had an
appointment. If so, what did the attorney tell you?

Sure you can go after your ex and sue her, but if this can be dropped
without going to court - then don't sue. Just let it go and be the better
parent. If anything you should seek possible criminal charges against her.
What she is doing is not only immoral, but possibly criminal.


Tracy
~~~~~~~
http://www.hornschuch.net/tracy/
"You can't solve problems with the same
type of thinking that created them."
Albert Einstein

*** spamguard in place! to email me: tracy at hornschuch dot net ***


"Live Wire Cycles NY/LI" wrote in message
...
These people accessed my Credit through all services! Claimed that they
needed to contact me and didn't know where I was! When I called back and
talked to Cameron (supv.) he informed me that he has a number of about
$17,766.00 right now with interest and fee's which clearly states that my
ex. has made the claim that she has been the custodial parent through-out
all of these years! This was done through the US Postal System. I need to
get the change of custody papers otherwise I am totally screwed forever.
Doesn't matter what I can prove otherwise, and these people don't care
about
that. There is no judgment! I need a very creative lawyer in New York! Who
is the best with respect to these types of cases? Does anyone know of a
few
top lawyers? I would rather pay a lawyer and sue her for FRAUD. Actually,
I
was never represented by a lawyer in my divorce and the divorce papers are
the only documents that they have to work with. They claimed to have a
power
of attorney from my ex and an affidavit that clearly states the amount
that
they believe is owed. They claimed that they sent a letter that I never
received.

After all these years of taking care of my son, a mentally handicapped boy
who I sacrificed everything in my life to stand by, I have this to deal
with. All of that doesn't matter to these people. This organization could
care less! All this is about is money to them.

Yesterday: the name of the organization is Supportkids, Inc.:
Profile

Participant through 1/31/2004

Company Information

Supportkids, Inc.

4120 Friedrich Lane

Austin, TX 78744 Phone: 512-437-6000

Fax: 512-437-6030

Email:

Product Description: Company sells child support recovery services through
the web.

Business Start Date: Monday, April 01, 1991

Bureau File Open Date: Monday, November 25, 1991

Company Management: Richard Hoffman, CEO

Customer Service Contact:

Yvonne Johnson

Director of Client Services Phone: 512-437-6000

Email:



To search Better Business Bureau Company Reports, click here

As a BBBOnLine Participant, this company is a member of the Better
Business

Bureau, and accordingly meets all BBB membership standards. As a matter of

policy, the Better Business Bureau does not endorse any product, service
or

company. BBB reports are provided solely to assist you in your own best

judgement. BBB reports are subject to change at any time.

__________________________________________________ __________________
"gini52" wrote in message
...

"frazil" wrote in message
...

Live Wire Cycles NY/LI wrote in message
...
..............................................
Can I sue her NOW for back child support because she never paid me a
dime?

Most likely not.

How long can someone go after someone for child support?

Forever, but they have to first have a judgement against you. And
they
can
only go after you for back CS from the date the request to receive CS
was
filed with the courts.
==
Not necessarily--This varies by state. Unless there has been a recent
change, in PA child support can be filed for
after the child reaches the age of majority as long as the the adult
child
signs the petition for support. A judgement is not required . The CS
award
will be based on the NCP parent's income
at the time the child was a minor, if the income can be proven, and
support
was not paid.
If the income cannot be determined, the NCP's current income is used. We
were
in this situation as well. With all the CS we have paid to my husband's
ex,
we never filed for support
from her for the years he was with us and it would now be a substantial
amount. BUT, because
my stepson would have to be a party to the action against his mother, we
will not do it. If it
just weren't for that little glitch. The amazing thing is that after all
the
squawking she did over every
damn dime, she never, ever gave us a dime of support. It hasn't even
occurred to her that she might
have an obligation to us. Under statute, we could file for 4 years of
support from her.
She hasn't a clue. I would just love to see her face-- :-O (A fantasy
that
will never come true.)
==
==

"frazil" wrote in message
...
Something is fishy about your story. SupportKids makes it *very clear*
that
in order to enlist their services the CP must have a court order requiring
payment of CS from the NCP.


That's probably why they are wanting to see the court order document
concerning custody, etc. In other words, the documentation she provided
them told them he owes her back support. But since the original
documentation there were some changes, and they were legally documented. So
they want to clear things up.

BTW folks - this is a good example why I've expressed over the years to make
those agreements legal. I know many people have some very strong
opinions/feelings towards our court system - but making agreements legal can
save you a bundle in the future.


Tracy
~~~~~~~
http://www.hornschuch.net/tracy/
"You can't solve problems with the same
type of thinking that created them."
Albert Einstein

*** spamguard in place! to email me: tracy at hornschuch dot net ***



From your story I suspect that your change of custody order doesn't
mention
relieving you of the requirment to pay support to the mother. Custody and
support are separate matters. IOW getting a change in custody doesn't
automatically mean that the CS arrangement changes. You should have
gotten
the change in CS spelled out in the change of custody order, or a separate
order making the change in CS. If you didn't get either of these things,
you could have serious problem. You better hire a very good lawyer.

Another possibility, assuming that you have a specific order relieving you
CS or such language in the change of custody order, is that the former CP
hasn't shared that information with support kids. This is a remote
possibility, because, as I recall, support kids researches the case to
insure that they have all the pertinent information.

In any event, the whole story is not being told here, and in the remote
possibility that you have told the whole story, you may have a case
against
SupportKids, and SupportKids and you may have case against her. If what
you
say is true, I'd look into the possibility of filing a cease and dissist
petition with the Texas courts. But you had better have all the court
papers showing that they are wrongly pursuing you.

Good luck, I have a feeling your going to need it.

Live Wire Cycles NY/LI wrote in message
...
These people accessed my Credit through all services! Claimed that they
needed to contact me and didn't know where I was! When I called back and
talked to Cameron (supv.) he informed me that he has a number of about
$17,766.00 right now with interest and fee's which clearly states that
my
ex. has made the claim that she has been the custodial parent
through-out
all of these years! This was done through the US Postal System. I need
to
get the change of custody papers otherwise I am totally screwed forever.
Doesn't matter what I can prove otherwise, and these people don't care
about
that. There is no judgment! I need a very creative lawyer in New York!
Who
is the best with respect to these types of cases? Does anyone know of a
few
top lawyers? I would rather pay a lawyer and sue her for FRAUD.
Actually,
I
was never represented by a lawyer in my divorce and the divorce papers
are
the only documents that they have to work with. They claimed to have a
power
of attorney from my ex and an affidavit that clearly states the amount
that
they believe is owed. They claimed that they sent a letter that I never
received.

After all these years of taking care of my son, a mentally handicapped
boy
who I sacrificed everything in my life to stand by, I have this to deal
with. All of that doesn't matter to these people. This organization
could
care less! All this is about is money to them.

Yesterday: the name of the organization is Supportkids, Inc.:
Profile

Participant through 1/31/2004

Company Information

Supportkids, Inc.

4120 Friedrich Lane

Austin, TX 78744 Phone: 512-437-6000

Fax: 512-437-6030

Email:

Product Description: Company sells child support recovery services
through
the web.

Business Start Date: Monday, April 01, 1991

Bureau File Open Date: Monday, November 25, 1991

Company Management: Richard Hoffman, CEO

Customer Service Contact:

Yvonne Johnson

Director of Client Services Phone: 512-437-6000

Email:



To search Better Business Bureau Company Reports, click here

As a BBBOnLine Participant, this company is a member of the Better
Business

Bureau, and accordingly meets all BBB membership standards. As a matter
of

policy, the Better Business Bureau does not endorse any product, service
or

company. BBB reports are provided solely to assist you in your own best

judgement. BBB reports are subject to change at any time.

__________________________________________________ __________________
"gini52" wrote in message
...

"frazil" wrote in message
...

Live Wire Cycles NY/LI wrote in message
...
..............................................
Can I sue her NOW for back child support because she never paid me
a
dime?

Most likely not.

How long can someone go after someone for child support?

Forever, but they have to first have a judgement against you. And
they
can
only go after you for back CS from the date the request to receive
CS
was
filed with the courts.
==
Not necessarily--This varies by state. Unless there has been a recent
change, in PA child support can be filed for
after the child reaches the age of majority as long as the the adult
child
signs the petition for support. A judgement is not required . The CS
award
will be based on the NCP parent's income
at the time the child was a minor, if the income can be proven, and
support
was not paid.
If the income cannot be determined, the NCP's current income is used.
We
were
in this situation as well. With all the CS we have paid to my
husband's
ex,
we never filed for support
from her for the years he was with us and it would now be a
substantial
amount. BUT, because
my stepson would have to be a party to the action against his mother,
we
will not do it. If it
just weren't for that little glitch. The amazing thing is that after
all
the
squawking she did over every
damn dime, she never, ever gave us a dime of support. It hasn't even
occurred to her that she might
have an obligation to us. Under statute, we could file for 4 years of
support from her.
She hasn't a clue. I would just love to see her face-- :-O (A fantasy
that
will never come true.)
==
==

Hi All You Good Folks Who Have taken the time to answer and make suggestions
here. THANK YOU!
UPDATE:
I went digging though all of my records here (TONS OF STUFF - I never
throw anything out), and in fact I have located my certified copy of the
"Order Directing Custody" Pursuant To Section 651 of the Family Court Act
in addition to the certified agreement modifying custody and support filed
with the Supreme Court. Divorce was dated Oct 4, 1984 and support order
vacated on Aug. 1, 1987. So now I presume that 34 months of support that I
paid is NOW (almost 20 years later) being claimed, not to have been paid!
And it took almost 20 years to realize it! In fact got in touch with anyone
including this agency that clearly is in the business of locating deadbeat
Dad's. I am so embarrassed to have the inquiry on my credit report!
Question: How long do I need to legally hold Payment records? Must I
locate all of my paid checks to her now? How can she wait 20 years and come
back with this? I never asked for anything except that she visit my son and
send him gifts which she very rarely did. I don't think that she saw him 8
times in all these years! Whatever she could afford I encouraged
understandingly! She was my friend, my very first love. I would never bring
her to court and force her to pay. Not my style folks, I have a lot of
class, respect and I Never LIE. I Hate Liars. I'm a Retired Paramedic who
took care of a child that is mentally handicapped for all these years and
for many to come God Allowing! This was and is a full time job folks, and it
hasn't stopped yet! My son is 26 now, and has the mind of a 13 year old. He
has been treated for alienation of HIS MOTHER! I have the detailed psych.
notes that clearly establish this as being one of his major problems.
Here is the so called mother, my ex, looking for a hand out because she
knows that my mother recently passed away and I inherited a few pennies.
What kind of person does something like this? I feel sorry for her, I really
do.
If this agency continues with their quest to damage my reputation;
ignore the fact that I was (and still am) the single custodial parent of a
handicapped child, I may be forced to seek legal action and have major press
releases. These people accessed my credit profile with the excuse that they
didn't know where I was! The fact of the matter is, my ex knows where I am
and therefore they do too! My ex has called me anytime she has wished to and
we spoke on the phone within the past 7 months. My phone number has been the
same since 1991! I hate liar's!

Can anyone answer, how long do I need to legally hold payment records? Any
other advise would be appreciated...

Thank you so much..

George

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"Tracy" wrote in message
. net...
George,

Didn't you say you were going to talk to an attorney? I thought you had
an
appointment. If so, what did the attorney tell you?

Sure you can go after your ex and sue her, but if this can be dropped
without going to court - then don't sue. Just let it go and be the better
parent. If anything you should seek possible criminal charges against
her.
What she is doing is not only immoral, but possibly criminal.


Tracy
~~~~~~~
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type of thinking that created them."
Albert Einstein

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"Live Wire Cycles NY/LI" wrote in message
...
These people accessed my Credit through all services! Claimed that they
needed to contact me and didn't know where I was! When I called back and
talked to Cameron (supv.) he informed me that he has a number of about
$17,766.00 right now with interest and fee's which clearly states that
my
ex. has made the claim that she has been the custodial parent
through-out
all of these years! This was done through the US Postal System. I need
to
get the change of custody papers otherwise I am totally screwed forever.
Doesn't matter what I can prove otherwise, and these people don't care
about
that. There is no judgment! I need a very creative lawyer in New York!
Who
is the best with respect to these types of cases? Does anyone know of a
few
top lawyers? I would rather pay a lawyer and sue her for FRAUD.
Actually,
I
was never represented by a lawyer in my divorce and the divorce papers
are
the only documents that they have to work with. They claimed to have a
power
of attorney from my ex and an affidavit that clearly states the amount
that
they believe is owed. They claimed that they sent a letter that I never
received.

After all these years of taking care of my son, a mentally handicapped
boy
who I sacrificed everything in my life to stand by, I have this to deal
with. All of that doesn't matter to these people. This organization
could
care less! All this is about is money to them.

Yesterday: the name of the organization is Supportkids, Inc.:
Profile

Participant through 1/31/2004

Company Information

Supportkids, Inc.

4120 Friedrich Lane

Austin, TX 78744 Phone: 512-437-6000

Fax: 512-437-6030

Email:

Product Description: Company sells child support recovery services
through
the web.

Business Start Date: Monday, April 01, 1991

Bureau File Open Date: Monday, November 25, 1991

Company Management: Richard Hoffman, CEO

Customer Service Contact:

Yvonne Johnson

Director of Client Services Phone: 512-437-6000

Email:



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Business

Bureau, and accordingly meets all BBB membership standards. As a matter
of

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or

company. BBB reports are provided solely to assist you in your own best

judgement. BBB reports are subject to change at any time.

__________________________________________________ __________________
"gini52" wrote in message
...

"frazil" wrote in message
...

Live Wire Cycles NY/LI wrote in message
...
..............................................
Can I sue her NOW for back child support because she never paid me
a
dime?

Most likely not.

How long can someone go after someone for child support?

Forever, but they have to first have a judgement against you. And
they
can
only go after you for back CS from the date the request to receive
CS
was
filed with the courts.
==
Not necessarily--This varies by state. Unless there has been a recent
change, in PA child support can be filed for
after the child reaches the age of majority as long as the the adult
child
signs the petition for support. A judgement is not required . The CS
award
will be based on the NCP parent's income
at the time the child was a minor, if the income can be proven, and
support
was not paid.
If the income cannot be determined, the NCP's current income is used.
We
were
in this situation as well. With all the CS we have paid to my
husband's
ex,
we never filed for support
from her for the years he was with us and it would now be a
substantial
amount. BUT, because
my stepson would have to be a party to the action against his mother,
we
will not do it. If it
just weren't for that little glitch. The amazing thing is that after
all
the
squawking she did over every
damn dime, she never, ever gave us a dime of support. It hasn't even
occurred to her that she might
have an obligation to us. Under statute, we could file for 4 years of
support from her.
She hasn't a clue. I would just love to see her face-- :-O (A fantasy
that
will never come true.)
==
==

"Live Wire Cycles NY/LI" wrote in message
...
Hi All You Good Folks Who Have taken the time to answer and make
suggestions
here. THANK YOU!
UPDATE:
I went digging though all of my records here (TONS OF STUFF - I never
throw anything out), and in fact I have located my certified copy of the
"Order Directing Custody" Pursuant To Section 651 of the Family Court Act
in addition to the certified agreement modifying custody and support filed
with the Supreme Court. Divorce was dated Oct 4, 1984 and support order
vacated on Aug. 1, 1987. So now I presume that 34 months of support that
I
paid is NOW (almost 20 years later) being claimed, not to have been paid!
And it took almost 20 years to realize it! In fact got in touch with
anyone
including this agency that clearly is in the business of locating deadbeat
Dad's. I am so embarrassed to have the inquiry on my credit report!
Question: How long do I need to legally hold Payment records? Must I
locate all of my paid checks to her now? How can she wait 20 years and
come
back with this? I never asked for anything except that she visit my son
and
send him gifts which she very rarely did. I don't think that she saw him 8
times in all these years! Whatever she could afford I encouraged
understandingly! She was my friend, my very first love. I would never
bring
her to court and force her to pay. Not my style folks, I have a lot of
class, respect and I Never LIE. I Hate Liars. I'm a Retired Paramedic who
took care of a child that is mentally handicapped for all these years and
for many to come God Allowing! This was and is a full time job folks, and
it
hasn't stopped yet! My son is 26 now, and has the mind of a 13 year old.
He
has been treated for alienation of HIS MOTHER! I have the detailed psych.
notes that clearly establish this as being one of his major problems.
Here is the so called mother, my ex, looking for a hand out because
she
knows that my mother recently passed away and I inherited a few pennies.
What kind of person does something like this? I feel sorry for her, I
really
do.
If this agency continues with their quest to damage my reputation;
ignore the fact that I was (and still am) the single custodial parent of a
handicapped child, I may be forced to seek legal action and have major
press
releases. These people accessed my credit profile with the excuse that
they
didn't know where I was! The fact of the matter is, my ex knows where I am
and therefore they do too! My ex has called me anytime she has wished to
and
we spoke on the phone within the past 7 months. My phone number has been
the
same since 1991! I hate liar's!

Can anyone answer, how long do I need to legally hold payment records? Any
other advise would be appreciated...

Thank you so much..

Here is an opinion which of course is not legal advice. The order vacating
CS is your ace in the hole. That order superceded the original order, which
is most likely the only document they have. If no arrearage was alleged or
found at the time the original CS order was vacated, there is no basis for a
retroactive CS claim. I'd just tell the CS recovery scam there is no way
they can show you owe any back child support and you have a court order to
back you up. I wouldn't send them anything, particularly any personal
information. Tell them if they want a copy of the vacating order to get it
from their client. If they refuse to back down and drop their efforts, I'd
report them to the Texas Attorney General for running a fraudulent
operation.

Tracy wrote in message
news:wbBUa.134755$OZ2.25508@rwcrnsc54...
"frazil" wrote in message
...
Something is fishy about your story. SupportKids makes it *very clear*
that
in order to enlist their services the CP must have a court order
requiring
payment of CS from the NCP.


That's probably why they are wanting to see the court order document
concerning custody, etc. In other words, the documentation she provided
them told them he owes her back support. But since the original
documentation there were some changes, and they were legally documented.
So
they want to clear things up.

Agreed, but what disturbs me is their refusal to provide their paper work,
in the first place..


BTW folks - this is a good example why I've expressed over the years to
make
those agreements legal. I know many people have some very strong
opinions/feelings towards our court system - but making agreements legal
can
save you a bundle in the future.

I wholly agree.



Tracy
~~~~~~~
http://www.hornschuch.net/tracy/
"You can't solve problems with the same
type of thinking that created them."
Albert Einstein

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From your story I suspect that your change of custody order doesn't
mention
relieving you of the requirment to pay support to the mother. Custody
and
support are separate matters. IOW getting a change in custody doesn't
automatically mean that the CS arrangement changes. You should have
gotten
the change in CS spelled out in the change of custody order, or a
separate
order making the change in CS. If you didn't get either of these
things,
you could have serious problem. You better hire a very good lawyer.

Another possibility, assuming that you have a specific order relieving
you
CS or such language in the change of custody order, is that the former
CP
hasn't shared that information with support kids. This is a remote
possibility, because, as I recall, support kids researches the case to
insure that they have all the pertinent information.

In any event, the whole story is not being told here, and in the remote
possibility that you have told the whole story, you may have a case
against
SupportKids, and SupportKids and you may have case against her. If what
you
say is true, I'd look into the possibility of filing a cease and dissist
petition with the Texas courts. But you had better have all the court
papers showing that they are wrongly pursuing you.

Good luck, I have a feeling your going to need it.

Live Wire Cycles NY/LI wrote in message
...
These people accessed my Credit through all services! Claimed that
they
needed to contact me and didn't know where I was! When I called back
and
talked to Cameron (supv.) he informed me that he has a number of about
$17,766.00 right now with interest and fee's which clearly states that
my
ex. has made the claim that she has been the custodial parent
through-out
all of these years! This was done through the US Postal System. I need
to
get the change of custody papers otherwise I am totally screwed
forever.
Doesn't matter what I can prove otherwise, and these people don't care
about
that. There is no judgment! I need a very creative lawyer in New York!
Who
is the best with respect to these types of cases? Does anyone know of
a
few
top lawyers? I would rather pay a lawyer and sue her for FRAUD.
Actually,
I
was never represented by a lawyer in my divorce and the divorce papers
are
the only documents that they have to work with. They claimed to have a
power
of attorney from my ex and an affidavit that clearly states the amount
that
they believe is owed. They claimed that they sent a letter that I
never
received.

After all these years of taking care of my son, a mentally handicapped
boy
who I sacrificed everything in my life to stand by, I have this to
deal
with. All of that doesn't matter to these people. This organization
could
care less! All this is about is money to them.

Yesterday: the name of the organization is Supportkids, Inc.:
Profile

Participant through 1/31/2004

Company Information

Supportkids, Inc.

4120 Friedrich Lane

Austin, TX 78744 Phone: 512-437-6000

Fax: 512-437-6030

Email:

Product Description: Company sells child support recovery services
through
the web.

Business Start Date: Monday, April 01, 1991

Bureau File Open Date: Monday, November 25, 1991

Company Management: Richard Hoffman, CEO

Customer Service Contact:

Yvonne Johnson

Director of Client Services Phone: 512-437-6000

Email:



To search Better Business Bureau Company Reports, click here

As a BBBOnLine Participant, this company is a member of the Better
Business

Bureau, and accordingly meets all BBB membership standards. As a
matter
of

policy, the Better Business Bureau does not endorse any product,
service
or

company. BBB reports are provided solely to assist you in your own
best

judgement. BBB reports are subject to change at any time.

__________________________________________________ __________________
"gini52" wrote in message
...

"frazil" wrote in message
...

Live Wire Cycles NY/LI wrote in message
...
..............................................
Can I sue her NOW for back child support because she never paid
me
a
dime?

Most likely not.

How long can someone go after someone for child support?

Forever, but they have to first have a judgement against you. And
they
can
only go after you for back CS from the date the request to receive
CS
was
filed with the courts.
==
Not necessarily--This varies by state. Unless there has been a
recent
change, in PA child support can be filed for
after the child reaches the age of majority as long as the the adult
child
signs the petition for support. A judgement is not required . The
CS
award
will be based on the NCP parent's income
at the time the child was a minor, if the income can be proven, and
support
was not paid.
If the income cannot be determined, the NCP's current income is
used.
We
were
in this situation as well. With all the CS we have paid to my
husband's
ex,
we never filed for support
from her for the years he was with us and it would now be a
substantial
amount. BUT, because
my stepson would have to be a party to the action against his
mother,
we
will not do it. If it
just weren't for that little glitch. The amazing thing is that after
all
the
squawking she did over every
damn dime, she never, ever gave us a dime of support. It hasn't even
occurred to her that she might
have an obligation to us. Under statute, we could file for 4 years
of
support from her.
She hasn't a clue. I would just love to see her face-- :-O (A
fantasy
that
will never come true.)
==
==