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911 call: Mom makes me do HOMEWORK!
AnneF- wrote: Greegor wrote: AnneF- wrote: So will CPS provide free child care to single parents like this mother? Or would CPS rather spend 40-60 thousand dollars a year once a child like [this] one is in foster care? 40-60 K per year is only a FRACTION of what it costs. Based on newspaper reports a few years ago it looks like 160 K per year would even be low. If a family actually fights the legal costs could easily push the total package up to $ 230 K per year or more. All of those "contractors" add up fast. Probably with big bucks spent on state's attorneys and $ 200 spent on the public defender (raised from 50/hour up to 60/Hour in Iowa months ago). If that is true than that's sad! Truly the money is not spending in the right place. A babysitter would have cost less than 20K. AF That $20K is also money that is paid by taxpayers...some surely people who can't afford a $20K year babysitter. Why should our tax money go to ongoing high expenses such as this for parents who demonstrate an inability to responsibly care for their children? Why didn't this mom seek out alternatives? I used to clean businesses at night and take my kids with me because I could not pay for a babysitter...I don't mean that I could not AFFORD a babysitter, I mean there was NO money for such a luxury. My children were too old to qualify for state paid child care, and my only option was to take them with me to work. I know other parents who have done the same thing. No one depended on the state to pay their child care. It's rediculous to think that they should. If you have kids take care of them or expect the state to 'help' you take care of them. |
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911 call: Mom makes me do HOMEWORK!
0:- wrote: AnneF- wrote: 0:- wrote: AnneF- wrote: Greegor wrote: AnneF- wrote: So will CPS provide free child care to single parents like this mother? Or would CPS rather spend 40-60 thousand dollars a year once a child like [this] one is in foster care? 40-60 K per year is only a FRACTION of what it costs. Based on newspaper reports a few years ago it looks like 160 K per year would even be low. If a family actually fights the legal costs could easily push the total package up to $ 230 K per year or more. All of those "contractors" add up fast. Probably with big bucks spent on state's attorneys and $ 200 spent on the public defender (raised from 50/hour up to 60/Hour in Iowa months ago). If that is true than that's sad! Truly the money is not spending in the right place. See the public. See your legislator. Fix it then. Gee! If only I were the Emperor. Only Emperor's can speak out publicly, and to their legislator? Fix it then! I must be in some other country....or you are. I am in dreamland! ;-) Surely you have a solution to the problem that feminist liberals (socialists) have been trying for decades to resolve...cheap or free child care. So you would rather spend 40K instead. Now where did I say that? How much does it cost to care for a foster child? A babysitter would have cost less than 20K. And who would that be? Greg? I heard there is alot of immigrants willing to do the job. You looking for something more than dog food for dinner? I am looking for a baby-sittier. How much doest it cost? This child, by the way, dummy Doan, was not removed. Remember, or can't you read a cut and paste article? Now where in the post did I said that the child was removed? Well, you'd have a hard time arguing that this child could have been given a baby sitter base on the argument that otherwise it would cost thousands to remove him...as you see, he was't removed. Now were you referring to some other children? Like those who are removed? Most of those are removed for cause far more serious than leaving them home alone at 10 years old. Really? Like being spanked? Whatsamattah, USC catch up with your misuse of their servers? You reduced to using anon remailers, or anon proxies? What makes you think that? Cause you are a stupid asshole. Hahaha! From all the **** that came from your mouth, the asshole is YOU! Are you exposing your stupidity in public again? Nope, just yours. Hihihi! You were the one that claimed I used "anon remailers, or anon proxies"! You are the stupid one! AF No class, Doan. Stupid, clumsy, crude, and half asleep. Go back to your dogmeat dinner, dummy. Hihihi! Your mom must be proud. AF 0:- AF |
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911 call: Mom makes me do HOMEWORK!
http://www.lohud.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...612300316/1151
Lower Hudson area of New York A kid's 911 call reminds us parents dodge many a bullet (Original publication: December 30, 2006) OK, we're going to say something that we don't really mean, just to get it out of our system: Had "our" kid called 911 because we made him do his homework, he would likely need the combined services of the district attorney's office, the police department and child protective services. And maybe the witness-protection program as well, because they would have to let us out of the penitentiary eventually. That was our unfiltered response to the story of the 10-year-old boy who called police, asking that officers "come and take his mother away," as police said, because she was pressuring him to do his homework. Kids do say the most incriminating things. Yet we know there is more to such a story than an overburdened 10-year-old and the police who jumped to his 911 entreaties. The mother on Thursday pleaded not guilty to a charge of child endangerment, which was brought after responding officers discovered the boy was home alone; his mother was working the 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. shift at a local restaurant. She apparently gambled, as so many parents do, that no calamity would intervene in her absence. During a call home to check on her son, she discovered that the boy had company - White Plains police. A lesson learned New York has no bright-line rule on how old a child should be before she can be left alone; the answer is subjective, based upon the maturity of the individual child. The instant case offers some guidance, albeit it tautological: If a child calls the authorities because mom cracks down on homework, the child probably isn't old enough to be home alone. That said, we know next to nothing about this mother, this 10-year-old, or any other relevant circumstances, or about the authorities who have pressed the matter so far. From tragic experience, however, we do know that "home alone" can be quite unfunny in real life, inasmuch as fires, poisonings, medical emergencies and related calamities do not come with "advance" notice. We can only hope, in any case, that the authorities investigating "homework mom" exercise sound judgment; we suspect at this point that a hard lesson has been learned, by her and no doubt countless others. Rare is the parent - and by parent we mostly mean "mom" because that's who typically is in charge of the kids - who doesn't roll the dice on child care from time to time, praying their address won't end up in the next day's police blotter. According to an October study by the National Center for Children in Poverty, anywhere from 11 percent to 13 percent of children in grades kindergarten through eighth engaged in "self-care" after school, meaning the kids are babysitting themselves. Parents like us The percentages are about the same at different income levels, a bit higher for blacks, one-parent households and households where the mother works 35 hours or more a week. That's legions of kids being left to their own devices, whether for a few hours or sometimes longer. More child-care alternatives - such as more affordable and accessible care, and more after-school and community-based programs - would, of course, free more parents of the "gamble" referenced above. Indeed, employers and government certainly could do more to make such care more available. (We bet if more bosses and elected officials were moms, child-care would be as plentiful and accessible as mall parking spaces. But in this age of two-income households, long commutes, busy schedules and frequent surprises . . . let's just say there isn't much more than grace separating many of us from the occasional "home alone" gamble and an appearance in Family Court. We should cross our fingers that that doesn't translate into more 911 calls and real emergencies. |
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911 call: Mom makes me do HOMEWORK!
so if "mom" (or in rare cases dad) is incapable of providing appropraite
care, we should have pity on them? Maybe the kid should be with somone who *can* provide the proper care..... Or maybe mom should spend the child support (welfare) money she gets on day care or a babysitter. -JD "Greegor" wrote in message s.com... http://www.lohud.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...612300316/1151 Lower Hudson area of New York A kid's 911 call reminds us parents dodge many a bullet (Original publication: December 30, 2006) OK, we're going to say something that we don't really mean, just to get it out of our system: Had "our" kid called 911 because we made him do his homework, he would likely need the combined services of the district attorney's office, the police department and child protective services. And maybe the witness-protection program as well, because they would have to let us out of the penitentiary eventually. That was our unfiltered response to the story of the 10-year-old boy who called police, asking that officers "come and take his mother away," as police said, because she was pressuring him to do his homework. Kids do say the most incriminating things. Yet we know there is more to such a story than an overburdened 10-year-old and the police who jumped to his 911 entreaties. The mother on Thursday pleaded not guilty to a charge of child endangerment, which was brought after responding officers discovered the boy was home alone; his mother was working the 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. shift at a local restaurant. She apparently gambled, as so many parents do, that no calamity would intervene in her absence. During a call home to check on her son, she discovered that the boy had company - White Plains police. A lesson learned New York has no bright-line rule on how old a child should be before she can be left alone; the answer is subjective, based upon the maturity of the individual child. The instant case offers some guidance, albeit it tautological: If a child calls the authorities because mom cracks down on homework, the child probably isn't old enough to be home alone. That said, we know next to nothing about this mother, this 10-year-old, or any other relevant circumstances, or about the authorities who have pressed the matter so far. From tragic experience, however, we do know that "home alone" can be quite unfunny in real life, inasmuch as fires, poisonings, medical emergencies and related calamities do not come with "advance" notice. We can only hope, in any case, that the authorities investigating "homework mom" exercise sound judgment; we suspect at this point that a hard lesson has been learned, by her and no doubt countless others. Rare is the parent - and by parent we mostly mean "mom" because that's who typically is in charge of the kids - who doesn't roll the dice on child care from time to time, praying their address won't end up in the next day's police blotter. According to an October study by the National Center for Children in Poverty, anywhere from 11 percent to 13 percent of children in grades kindergarten through eighth engaged in "self-care" after school, meaning the kids are babysitting themselves. Parents like us The percentages are about the same at different income levels, a bit higher for blacks, one-parent households and households where the mother works 35 hours or more a week. That's legions of kids being left to their own devices, whether for a few hours or sometimes longer. More child-care alternatives - such as more affordable and accessible care, and more after-school and community-based programs - would, of course, free more parents of the "gamble" referenced above. Indeed, employers and government certainly could do more to make such care more available. (We bet if more bosses and elected officials were moms, child-care would be as plentiful and accessible as mall parking spaces. But in this age of two-income households, long commutes, busy schedules and frequent surprises . . . let's just say there isn't much more than grace separating many of us from the occasional "home alone" gamble and an appearance in Family Court. We should cross our fingers that that doesn't translate into more 911 calls and real emergencies. |
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911 call: Mom makes me do HOMEWORK!
jd wrote: so if "mom" (or in rare cases dad) is incapable of providing appropraite care, we should have pity on them? Maybe the kid should be with somone who *can* provide the proper care..... Or maybe mom should spend the child support (welfare) money she gets on day care or a babysitter. -JD Call me a cold-hearted bitch if you want but I can't find any reason why a parent can't find daycare these days. If money is an issue, there are plenty of programs to help parents pay for daycare. These programs are usually offered by social services/welfare department either federally or locally. In my opinion 10 is an iffy age, at best, to be left alone. I do know a couple 10 year olds that could handle a couple hours alone at home but the majority of 10 year olds just don't have the maturity to be left alone. It's a very hard age. They aren't little kids anymore yet they aren't teenagers yet either. My daughter at 10 would have never been able to handle a minute alone let alone several hours. Yet, my oldest son when he was 10 probably could have. I never tested the waters in either case though. I even have trouble leaving my daughter, now a mid-teen, alone for any longer than a few minutes. It's all subjective as to when a child can be left home alone. |
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911 call: Mom makes me do HOMEWORK!
lostintranslation wrote: jd wrote: so if "mom" (or in rare cases dad) is incapable of providing appropraite care, we should have pity on them? Maybe the kid should be with somone who *can* provide the proper care..... Or maybe mom should spend the child support (welfare) money she gets on day care or a babysitter. -JD Call me a cold-hearted bitch if you want but I can't find any reason why a parent can't find daycare these days. If money is an issue, there are plenty of programs to help parents pay for daycare. These programs are usually offered by social services/welfare department either federally or locally. In my opinion 10 is an iffy age, at best, to be left alone. I do know a couple 10 year olds that could handle a couple hours alone at home but the majority of 10 year olds just don't have the maturity to be left alone. It's a very hard age. They aren't little kids anymore yet they aren't teenagers yet either. My daughter at 10 would have never been able to handle a minute alone let alone several hours. Yet, my oldest son when he was 10 probably could have. I never tested the waters in either case though. I even have trouble leaving my daughter, now a mid-teen, alone for any longer than a few minutes. It's all subjective as to when a child can be left home alone. I really don't want to fault anyone for their inability to pay for care for their child from time to time. Things come up. I had a friend who was working a part time job at night and paying her sitter very little because the kids were in bed when the sitter was there so they really didn't have to do anything but be there. Well, her husband died, and suddenly she could not pay for the sitter anymore, or the rent, or the food, or anything else. It was just one of those things that happens in life that throws your world into a tailspin. It certainly didn't show that she was not capable of caring for her kids, just going through a rough spot in life. That's all. It took months and months for her to finally smooth things out, but she did. I went through something similar when the kids dad and I were divorcing, not getting any help from him at all, and he thought that he owned the house, the cars, the business, everything and I owned nothing, so there I was trying to support five kids on my income alone and pay for sitters, I mean, it was a nightmare. Temporary, but still didn't demonstrate that I could not take care of my kids, just a little hump in the road full of humps in the road. So, I understand that people fall on hard times, and that care is expensive. There are programs out there that can help, and they aren't all run by the state or DFS. The Salvation Army has some before and after school programs, as does the Boys And Girls club, and in this area I believe that there are churches that have daycares that are sliding scale fees. The 'neglect' is in realizing you have problems and NOT looking for the solution to those problems. Betty |
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911 call: Mom makes me do HOMEWORK!
lostintranslation wrote: I've got my tux reserved. ;-P Hey Dan! Can I hitch a ride with ya to the wedding? I just got a lovely Ren gown for my bday that would be most appropriate for such an event! Greg, do you have a DJ lined up for the wedding that will happen when Lisa's daughter comes home? If not, I'll bring along my mixing table and all my CDs. Wait! I have a friend who runs a 'karaoke on the road' show, I could get a couple hours for about $300, and I have another friend who caters...so that could take care of the food. Not to toot my own horn, but I do wedding decor, flowers, etc and have for years now for family, friends, and those referred...I could do up some LOVELY flowers for the wedding party, unity candles, etc. I'm looking forward to the day |
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