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What's the impact of dressing our children as adults?
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"Caledonia" wrote: dragonlady wrote: In article Ftikg.45240$%m5.25236@trnddc04, "dejablues" wrote: "Caledonia" wrote in message ups.com... bizby40 wrote: "sha68" wrote in message ups.com... I do have one comment for the author of the original tread... my first thoughts on seeing your post was oh a sensible conversation for this day and age, but after having a look at your blogsite i was thinking what is a grown man doing looking for pictures of children all over the net and posting them. You should bare in mind that rightly or wrongly the parents of those children have allowed them to be taken and placed within the catalogues but they have not given you permission to use them, which is a violation in its self. Although you would be horrified i am sure you must see that to a peodphile this is porn laid out for him without the risk of police involvement, don't make it easier for the perverts to get stimulis. I suggest you remove them and fight your battle with words after all the pen is mightier than the sword. The world does need more people fighting to protect our children but we must be sure of the purety of the methods used. I think I'm going to have to speak up for the OP. I followed her link, not knowing what I might find, and what I found are mainly mainstream clothing ads for kids. Though there are some that are a bit provocative, the majority are not. And the ones that are provocative are generally less so than the Brooke Shields "Can you believe I'm only 10?" ads of many years ago. You know, I can't put my finger on it, but something just seems 'off' to me re. the OP. (Hence my 'Humbert Humber' comment to Banty). Maybe it was the generic opener, maybe the jump to pedophiles and sexual predators, maybe it's all the misspellings and awkward constructions. But it just doesn't feel upfront (to me). (Of course, I admit to chuckling over the 'nuisances of the advertisements' a few OP posts back. But I think s/he meant to say nuance...just like the 'well fair' of children.) I don't know the legality of reposting the pictures -- I thought it was okay if you weren't reproducing them for commercial purposes. Think of Leno and his "headlines" or Consumer Reports "Selling it". It might be that she needs to reference the original ad in some way? But I do think that making her point without the pictures would be difficult. People reading this thread without following the link have focused on "inappropriate" clothing, particularly sexually inappropriate. Dunno. Seems like a lot of m.k regulars can call up a mental image of the mother-daughter dresses in Hanna Andersson, or generate an accurate picture of a little boy dressed in a (Wooden Solider/Lands' End) suit. I think the website is a ploy. Geez, I'm a crank today. But I can't shake the feeling that there's something off here. Caledonia He/she is posting from the University of Missouri, so maybe it's a college student. I do find it odd that someone who claims to be a teacher can't spell "pedophilia". I don't. I've been amazed at some of the things that have come home from school -- grammatical and spelling errors that could not be attributed to simple typos. Of course, I can't spell worth beans -- I'm convinced good spelling is an art form, and one I'm just not very good at (though I continue to improve with time.) It makes doing crosswork puzzles interesting.... I have a sister who has horrible spelling -- and is an amazing Boggle player. While I'm patting myself on the back for coming up with 'rat - rate,' she's coming up with 'ameliorate.' It's boggling... Caledonia That's interesting, because I, too, am an awsome Boggle player. I sometimes have to remove words that I have spelled wrong, but I tend to beat the snot out of most folks. I wonder if there's a relationship between being bad at spelling and seeing a Boggle board well? -- Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care |
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What's the impact of dressing our children as adults?
"enigma" wrote in message . .. " wrote in ups.com: As far as your comment about my website, I absolute agree about the danger of conglomerating pictures of children in one place. I have VERY CAREFULLY chosen those pictures (and left many many off) in order to both be very sensitive to this issue but also provide examples of my concerns. but the fact of the matter is that those pictures are copyrighted & you are in violation by putting them on your site... especially because you don't give any credits to the proper owners of the copyrights. that could cost you loads of money if the owners find out about them. I want to be very responsible with the putting of these pictures together. However, the use of these pictures are to use to illustrate a point. I am absolutely appauled at what I see and I want others to equally be concerned. I have retrieved these pictures on the internet and link to their appropriate site. And for the record, I am no man. I am a young woman, a school teacher in fact, who is deeply concerned with the well fair of children. My own experience with childhood sexual abuse drives me to encourage parents to stop buying these outfits, other consumers to stop patronizing businesses who inappropriately advertise children and for us as a society to consider how we may be putting our children in harms way. for a teacher your use of English is atrocious. what grade do you teach? lee Lee, you did an excellent job pointing out the things that bothered me about her assertions and failure to respond to the copyright violation question in addition to her her pitiful English usage. Thanks Cindi |
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What's the impact of dressing our children as adults?
"Banty" wrote in message ... In article , bizby40 says... As for pedophiles -- well, there are pictures of kids all over the net. Well, yeah, but not all compiled with talk on Usenet making it easy for search engines to boot. Maybe that's why she misspelled pedophilia in the first place. ;-) Bizby |
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What's the impact of dressing our children as adults?
"Michelle J. Haines" wrote in message ... bizby40 wrote: I think you used the term "young children" before, which made me think of kids too young to have a lot of input. I still think of my nine-year-old as young, and she's had input for five years or so. It's just the way I think of things. 9 or 10 is an older "child", soon to be a pre-teen, then teen, then adult. So when you said "young child" I immediately thought of 5 year olds. And as you snipped, DD has also had some input on her clothes for a long time, but has only recently begun to worry about what the other kids are wearing and wanting to fit in. DD and the other girls are in the transitional period now. I'll admit that I do cringe at some of the belly baring halter tops. But then I think back to my own childhood. Well, I dressed much more conservatively than my sister did. But really, I don't -care- what I was or wasn't wearing "back then". It doesn't really have a lot of impact on what I think is or isn't appropriate now. Back then I lacked insight. Well, you sure have the right to decide what you think is appropriate for your children. I've been surprised at what I cringe at though. As I said, DD doesn't go for anything too tight or skimpy, but she does like those shirts with sassy sayings, and I hate those! In fact, it was my own objections that got me started thinking about what I wore as a child, and realizing that neither my parents nor I thought twice about things that seem tight and/or skimpy by todays standards. It wasn't everything I owned of course, and these were "play clothes". I wouldn't have worn them to school. But then again, we were required to wear long pants to school until I was in high school. DD did get that 2 piece bathing suit, but otherwise has never wanted anything belly-baring or ultra short. Our children are allow two-piece bathing suits, in fact, I prefer them...but the tankini style, not the bikini style, if it can be found. Yeah, that's exactly what she went for. I'm amazed at how many bathing suits in her size (size 7 kids) have bathing suit tops that seem to expect to be "filled out". She had a hard time finding a two piece that was completely flat. Bizby |
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What's the impact of dressing our children as adults?
bizby40 wrote: "Michelle J. Haines" wrote in message ... bizby40 wrote: I think you used the term "young children" before, which made me think of kids too young to have a lot of input. I still think of my nine-year-old as young, and she's had input for five years or so. It's just the way I think of things. 9 or 10 is an older "child", soon to be a pre-teen, then teen, then adult. So when you said "young child" I immediately thought of 5 year olds. And as you snipped, DD has also had some input on her clothes for a long time, but has only recently begun to worry about what the other kids are wearing and wanting to fit in. DD and the other girls are in the transitional period now. I'll admit that I do cringe at some of the belly baring halter tops. But then I think back to my own childhood. Well, I dressed much more conservatively than my sister did. But really, I don't -care- what I was or wasn't wearing "back then". It doesn't really have a lot of impact on what I think is or isn't appropriate now. Back then I lacked insight. Well, you sure have the right to decide what you think is appropriate for your children. I've been surprised at what I cringe at though. As I said, DD doesn't go for anything too tight or skimpy, but she does like those shirts with sassy sayings, and I hate those! In fact, it was my own objections that got me started thinking about what I wore as a child, and realizing that neither my parents nor I thought twice about things that seem tight and/or skimpy by todays standards. It wasn't everything I owned of course, and these were "play clothes". I wouldn't have worn them to school. But then again, we were required to wear long pants to school until I was in high school. DD did get that 2 piece bathing suit, but otherwise has never wanted anything belly-baring or ultra short. Our children are allow two-piece bathing suits, in fact, I prefer them...but the tankini style, not the bikini style, if it can be found. Yeah, that's exactly what she went for. I'm amazed at how many bathing suits in her size (size 7 kids) have bathing suit tops that seem to expect to be "filled out". She had a hard time finding a two piece that was completely flat. I've been informed by my daughter and her peers (think first graders going into second grade, ~ size 7), that *the* thing to be wearing is rashguard-type tops with long surfer bottoms. Failing that, a one-piece (down-to-the-elbows and knees) high SPF zip-up suit is also cool. I'm not-so-secretly pleased. Now if only it would stop raining, we could actually go to the beach.... Caledonia |
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What's the impact of dressing our children as adults?
"Caledonia" wrote in message oups.com... bizby40 wrote: Yeah, that's exactly what she went for. I'm amazed at how many bathing suits in her size (size 7 kids) have bathing suit tops that seem to expect to be "filled out". She had a hard time finding a two piece that was completely flat. I've been informed by my daughter and her peers (think first graders going into second grade, ~ size 7), that *the* thing to be wearing is Heh, DD is 10 and going into middle school next year -- she's just tiny. rashguard-type tops with long surfer bottoms. Failing that, a one-piece (down-to-the-elbows and knees) high SPF zip-up suit is also cool. :-) Actually, that's exactly what my son wears. He's tiny too -- at age 8, I had to get him all XS (4-5) clothes!!! I *know* I used to get him 6s! Can he be shrinking? Bizby |
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What's the impact of dressing our children as adults?
Knit Chic wrote:
wrote in message ups.com... My question is to start a conversation about the impact of dressing kids like adults. I have really been hit hard in my conviction about how we dress kids in adult-like outfits but are outraged over pediphilia. Pedophiles are pedophiles, no matter how a child dresses. To blame child sexual abuse on dress takes the responsibility away from the perpetrator. It's ALWAYS the perpetrators fault for abusing a child. ----------------- You're blabbering brainwashed American antisexual mumbo-jumbo. The actual number of "pedophiles" in society is miniscule. These are men who are mentally fixated on pre-pubescence because they were severely traumatized at a certain age about such things. These are RARE deviants who will take children and then panic and kill them out of fear of discovery when the child panics. If they weren't so endangered by law-enforcement they wouldn't feel the need to kill the child, and the result would be fewer dead children! In actuality what most Americans, sexually backward neurotics, regard as "molesters" are their normal male heterosexual relatives who are who are victims of this antisexual fundamentalist society and were denied early appropriate sexual experience as young kids with other kids their age and are now attracted to young sexuality because of their deficit of these experiences and mistakenly try to recoup it now if the opportunity presents itself with a horny curious young teen. MOST males and even MOST females will accept sexual opportunity with a horny willing young pubescent, if the situation presents itself, and Americans get this confused with "molestation", which has nothing to do with horny teenagers!! When I was young it was clear that molestation applied only to clearly pre-pubescent and pre-curious children, and "dirty old men" trying to interest them in sex before they wanted any. But Americans have become confused at the way it is being used now as some catch-all phrase describing any statutorily illegal sexual contact, when there used to be a clear category that separated those into all normal heterosexual, but frowned upon indisgressions with horny teens, and recognized the role of teens soliciting such behavior, versus other seriously dangerous deviancy involving desperate pedophiles with truly non-sexual children. It did NOT involve anyone with breasts or public hair! But in the latest incarnation of the antisexual sickness that is America, the rabid antisexuals out there want to confuse everyone into regarding any and everything they can possibly conceive of as religiously "unclean" or embarrasing to them, as serious felonies involving the need for life prison terms and social ostracism, evident in the moronic TV expose's where they purport to entertain us by entrapping confused middle-aged men into thinking they're going to get lucky with a real live teenage girl and then having him arrested in a televised life-ruining spectacle!! Reminds me of bread and circuses in the arena in ancient Rome, taking the latest trumped-up public enemy and tossing him to the lions and selling tickets and beer and nachos. America is a sick bunch of ****s. Steve |
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What's the impact of dressing our children as adults?
sha68 wrote: I have read through this conversation with interest both as a mother of five girls and as a person who buy lots of childrens clothing. We had this same conversation the other night at dinner, there were 6 adults with 14 children between us. We all agreed that although clothing manufacturers should take a more liberal line when designing kids clothing to avoid over sexualising children, mothers and fathers don't have to buy it. The power in what children wear is with parents. I totally agree. but the sick and twisted phedophile doesn't care what his victims are wearing his sickness will out whatever the child is wearing. Dressing baby girls like sluts is fodder for the pron industry, though. My children have a dresscode which is strictly adhered to even the 18 year old now says she is glad her clothes are no the conservative side because she feels that people treat her with more respect, including boys her own age. So isn't the issue of provocative clothing really an issue sorted within households, Teaching children to respect themselves in all walks of their lives is a big key to this. ITA. After all if there is no market for this kind of clothing the manufacterers will stop making them. ITA - but like the OP said, many in some cultures think it's "cute". It' makes me sick. -L. |
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What's the impact of dressing our children as adults?
Actually I find most of the stuff like this vomitous. Why the hell do we have to dress little kids like mini-adults? What's wrong with cute, CHILDREN'S clothing? I get so disgusted every time I go to buy something for DS (almost 2.5) and all I can find are mini button-down shirts, khakis, etc., which look like the clothing my husband wears for work... I need to find some of those for Xavier. He looks so cute in button down but all the ones we have show off his tummy, I love Khakis too I would wear them almost exclusivly if I could afford them in my size.. Dont tell my MIL though she is tired of my black pants :P Tori |
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What's the impact of dressing our children as adults?
you can't go by advertising to see what children actually wear. go out to a park or something & look at some real kids. for the most part you *won't* see kids dressed in slutty or even "miniature adult" clothes. you'll see jeans, t-shirts, shorts, tanktops, probably sweatpants (which is my big bugbear. i really dislike seeing sweatpants out in public, although i'll tend to be charitable if they're on kids of toilet training age). Jeff thinks I am kookie that I wont wear sweats out of the house and I just tell him they are inside cloths and I refuse to wear them out. He does all the time.. He can look goofy all he wants. Those are the days I am glad I am the only one dressing the kids. Tori |
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