Dentists and OBs...

DENTISTS AND OBs... See the very end of this post.



ASSUMING root canals cause cavitations and cavitations cause symptoms...

COULD MEGADOSE VIT C HELP RELIEVE SYMPTOMS CAUSED BY ROOT CANALS/JAWBONE
CAVITATIONS (different from cavities)?




Dr. Andrew Saul says:

"I know of no true option to a necessary root canal."
http://www.doctoryourself.com/news/v3n2.txt

When determining whether a root canal is necessary...

Maybe dentists should start talking about jawbone cavitations?

Susan Stockton, MA says:

"Root canals will unquestionably cause cavitations sooner or later..."
http://www.healthcarealternatives.net/JBcavitations.htm

JAWBONE CAVITATIONS (different from cavities)...

"Dead and dying teeth should not remain in the jaw, even if they are causing
no acute distress to the patient. If CAVITAT (tm) scan of the jawbone shows
pronounced necrosis under a 'vital' tooth, please entertain the possibility
that the tooth only appears to be vital, and is, in fact, dying...For the
chronic cavitation patient, extraction may be both the beginning and end of
his or her health problems. The improperly done extraction (usually of a
wisdom tooth) is frequently the beginning of a problem which may go
undetected for decades, and then only be resolved by the proper extraction
of some, or possibly all, of the remaining teeth, along with removal of
necrotic bone from edentulous areas [areas where teeth have been extracted]
and aggressive systemic detoxification. Prevention and early detection are
the keys to avoiding this outcome. Improved imaging capabilities [with the
CAVITAT (tm)] give us the tool for such early intervention.. The first step
in
solving the problem, however, is awareness of it. You have taken that step
and are urged to take the next one. Doctors: Learn to recognize jawbone
cavitations and to either treat them surgically, or refer your patient to a
qualified cavitation surgeon for treatment. Patients: Seek out a dentist
familiar with jawbone pathology: It may be the unsuspected cause of your
systemic problems."
--Susan Stockton, MA, author of Beyond Amalgam
http://www.healthcarealternatives.net/JBcavitations.htm


Susan's advice is obviously RADICAL - but it makes sense to me.

One definition of the word radical is "arising from or going to a root or
source."

Again quoting Susan on root canals:

"Root canals will unquestionably cause cavitations sooner or later..."
http://www.healthcarealternatives.net/JBcavitations.htm

To order Susan's book, go to:
http://www.healthcarealternatives.net/books.html




Megadose Vit C relieved cured relieved periodontal disease?



Laura Lee Radio Show...transcript excerpt...

Also cavitation is a new term you're going to learn tonight and that is the
space left in the jawbone when a tooth is extracted. If an infected tooth or
simply a wisdom tooth that needs to come out to make space, problems can
arise with dead tissue in the jawbone and you're going to learn tonight what
you can do about these conditions. We have with us Dr. George Meinig, the
author of Root Canal Cover-Up.

Martin: Hello, Laura Lee. Yeah this is kind of a personal topic for me,
about 15 years ago I heard a report from the University of Texas Medical
School at Waco. They had a 6ve-year study where they demonstrated that 1,000
milligrams of vitamin C per day would prevent periodontal disease...[A]fter
that I was diagnosed by my dentist...with pretty serious periodontal
disease...I immediately started taking 15,000 mg per day for the next four
months. He x-rayed my teeth at the end of the third month and he said "You
know something's happening here, the number of pockets you have and the size
of those pockets is rapidly diminishing" 90 he wanted to re-X-ray just to
verify this, so he did and it showed that some of the smaller pockets had
completely gone away and the larger pockets were reduced by less than half
their previous size only three months before...And he was amazed and he
asked me what I had been doing, and I said I had simply been taking 15,000
mg of vitamin C every day - 5,000 with each meal. And other than that I
hadn't changed my diet or done anything else. Does your guest have any
experience using vitamin C for therapy?

Laura Lee: Well, they are looking into nutrition and the impact it has on
health overall. Dr. Meinig...

Dr. Meinig: Well a third of my practice is actually periodontal disease. You
said that I was a specialist in endodontics but I preferred to do all of
dentistry and about a third of practice was periodontal disease. I never had
any patient do 15,000 mg of vitamin C, I got many of them on vitamin C, but
not that much, and your discovery is a very interesting one and I'm going to
advise a few people to try that and let's see what happens with them. I
can't say that I've had experience to that extent with anybody.
http://www.mercola.com/2001/apr/25/cavitations.htm



DENTISTS AND OBs...



IF root canals cause cavitations/symptoms...

THEN...

Dentists who recommend or perform root
canals (most dentists) are likely not going to agree that root canals are
causing problems...

SIMILARLY...

Obstetricians who close birth canals (most
obstetricians) are not going to agree that closing birth canals causes
problems.

Hence my usual public service announcement...

PREGNANT WOMEN: OBs are knowingly closing birth canals up to 30%.

For simple PROOF - and instructions on how easy it is for pregnant women to
allow their birth canals to OPEN the "extra" up to 30%...

See Shoulder Dystocia: OBs *keep* birth canal closed up to 30%!
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/2561

"Todd Gastaldo" wrote in message
link.net...
DENTISTS AND OBs... See the very end of this post.



ASSUMING root canals cause cavitations and cavitations cause symptoms...

COULD MEGADOSE VIT C HELP RELIEVE SYMPTOMS CAUSED BY ROOT CANALS/JAWBONE
CAVITATIONS (different from cavities)?




Dr. Andrew Saul says:

"I know of no true option to a necessary root canal."
http://www.doctoryourself.com/news/v3n2.txt

When determining whether a root canal is necessary...

Maybe dentists should start talking about jawbone cavitations?

Susan Stockton, MA says:

"Root canals will unquestionably cause cavitations sooner or later..."
http://www.healthcarealternatives.net/JBcavitations.htm

JAWBONE CAVITATIONS (different from cavities)...

"Dead and dying teeth should not remain in the jaw, even if they are
causing
no acute distress to the patient. If CAVITAT (tm) scan of the jawbone
shows
pronounced necrosis under a 'vital' tooth, please entertain the
possibility
that the tooth only appears to be vital, and is, in fact, dying...For the
chronic cavitation patient, extraction may be both the beginning and end
of
his or her health problems. The improperly done extraction (usually of a
wisdom tooth) is frequently the beginning of a problem which may go
undetected for decades, and then only be resolved by the proper extraction
of some, or possibly all, of the remaining teeth, along with removal of
necrotic bone from edentulous areas [areas where teeth have been
extracted]
and aggressive systemic detoxification. Prevention and early detection
are
the keys to avoiding this outcome. Improved imaging capabilities [with the
CAVITAT (tm)] give us the tool for such early intervention.. The first
step
in
solving the problem, however, is awareness of it. You have taken that step
and are urged to take the next one. Doctors: Learn to recognize jawbone
cavitations and to either treat them surgically, or refer your patient to
a
qualified cavitation surgeon for treatment. Patients: Seek out a dentist
familiar with jawbone pathology: It may be the unsuspected cause of your
systemic problems."
--Susan Stockton, MA, author of Beyond Amalgam
http://www.healthcarealternatives.net/JBcavitations.htm


Susan's advice is obviously RADICAL - but it makes sense to me.

One definition of the word radical is "arising from or going to a root or
source."

Again quoting Susan on root canals:

"Root canals will unquestionably cause cavitations sooner or later..."
http://www.healthcarealternatives.net/JBcavitations.htm

To order Susan's book, go to:
http://www.healthcarealternatives.net/books.html




Megadose Vit C relieved cured relieved periodontal disease?



Laura Lee Radio Show...transcript excerpt...

Also cavitation is a new term you're going to learn tonight and that is
the
space left in the jawbone when a tooth is extracted. If an infected tooth
or
simply a wisdom tooth that needs to come out to make space, problems can
arise with dead tissue in the jawbone and you're going to learn tonight
what
you can do about these conditions. We have with us Dr. George Meinig, the
author of Root Canal Cover-Up.

Martin: Hello, Laura Lee. Yeah this is kind of a personal topic for me,
about 15 years ago I heard a report from the University of Texas Medical
School at Waco. They had a 6ve-year study where they demonstrated that
1,000
milligrams of vitamin C per day would prevent periodontal
disease...[A]fter
that I was diagnosed by my dentist...with pretty serious periodontal
disease...I immediately started taking 15,000 mg per day for the next four
months. He x-rayed my teeth at the end of the third month and he said "You
know something's happening here, the number of pockets you have and the
size
of those pockets is rapidly diminishing" 90 he wanted to re-X-ray just to
verify this, so he did and it showed that some of the smaller pockets had
completely gone away and the larger pockets were reduced by less than half
their previous size only three months before...And he was amazed and he
asked me what I had been doing, and I said I had simply been taking 15,000
mg of vitamin C every day - 5,000 with each meal. And other than that I
hadn't changed my diet or done anything else. Does your guest have any
experience using vitamin C for therapy?

Laura Lee: Well, they are looking into nutrition and the impact it has on
health overall. Dr. Meinig...

Dr. Meinig: Well a third of my practice is actually periodontal disease.
You
said that I was a specialist in endodontics but I preferred to do all of
dentistry and about a third of practice was periodontal disease. I never
had
any patient do 15,000 mg of vitamin C, I got many of them on vitamin C,
but
not that much, and your discovery is a very interesting one and I'm going
to
advise a few people to try that and let's see what happens with them. I
can't say that I've had experience to that extent with anybody.
http://www.mercola.com/2001/apr/25/cavitations.htm



I copied the following from a NG discussion - possibly from this NG - about
a year or two ago. Seems that 250 mg of vitamin C per day saturates the body
and the rest is eliminated, according to this research. More research could
be needed though.

Enjoy!

RF



Recently Dr Weil reported some research which indicated that the
human body can utilize no more than about 250 mg of vitamin C per day.
Anyone know any more about this?

This is true. Linus Pauling was wrong in naively believing that only when
you got diarrhoea was the body getting enough vitamin C..

This is what Weil is referring to ---

New insights into the physiology and pharmacology of vitamin C
Sebastian J. Padayatty, Mark Levine
CMAJ 2001;164(3):353-5 [PDF]

(Note that the circulating white blood cells are saturated with ascorbic
acid at an intake of just 100 mgm per day.)

Quote--

When given orally, ascorbic acid is well absorbed at lower doses, but
absorption decreases as the dose increases. Thus, median bioavailability
following an oral dose is 87% for 30 mg, 80% for 100 mg, 72% for 200 mg and
63% for 500 mg. Less than 50% of a 1250-mg dose is absorbed, and most of the
absorbed dose is excreted in the urine.
Ascorbic acid is not protein bound, so it is filtered and reabsorbed by the
kidneys in healthy subjects but is lost in patients who have been
hemodialyzed. Ascorbic acid begins to appear in urine at doses above 100
mg/day, corresponding to a plasma concentration of about 60 µmol/L, at which
point plasma is 70% saturated and
circulating white blood cells are fully saturated. Decreased bioavailability
and renal excretion keep plasma vitamin C at less than 100 µmol/L, even with
an oral dose of 1000 mg. In men at steady state, a 30-mg daily intake
results in a mean plasma concentration of 9 µmol/L, 60 mg results in 25
µmol/L, 100 mg in 56 µmol/L and 200 mg in 75 µmol/L. Thus, the
dose-concentration relationship is sigmoidal, with the steep portion of the
curve lying between 30 mg and 100 mg of oral vitamin C daily.
Doses greater than 500 mg daily contribute little to plasma or tissue
stores.
Circulating white blood cells contain 10-30 times the plasma concentrations
of vitamin C.

End quote

Peter Moran

It's dogma based on faulty reasoning - see (doses far above the quoted 250mg
do have effects - but why?)
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/bsardi.html
Anth

"Red Fox" wrote in message
link.net...

"Todd Gastaldo" wrote in message
link.net...
DENTISTS AND OBs... See the very end of this post.



ASSUMING root canals cause cavitations and cavitations cause symptoms...

COULD MEGADOSE VIT C HELP RELIEVE SYMPTOMS CAUSED BY ROOT CANALS/JAWBONE
CAVITATIONS (different from cavities)?




Dr. Andrew Saul says:

"I know of no true option to a necessary root canal."
http://www.doctoryourself.com/news/v3n2.txt

When determining whether a root canal is necessary...

Maybe dentists should start talking about jawbone cavitations?

Susan Stockton, MA says:

"Root canals will unquestionably cause cavitations sooner or later..."
http://www.healthcarealternatives.net/JBcavitations.htm

JAWBONE CAVITATIONS (different from cavities)...

"Dead and dying teeth should not remain in the jaw, even if they are
causing
no acute distress to the patient. If CAVITAT (tm) scan of the jawbone
shows
pronounced necrosis under a 'vital' tooth, please entertain the
possibility
that the tooth only appears to be vital, and is, in fact, dying...For
the
chronic cavitation patient, extraction may be both the beginning and end
of
his or her health problems. The improperly done extraction (usually of a
wisdom tooth) is frequently the beginning of a problem which may go
undetected for decades, and then only be resolved by the proper
extraction
of some, or possibly all, of the remaining teeth, along with removal of
necrotic bone from edentulous areas [areas where teeth have been
extracted]
and aggressive systemic detoxification. Prevention and early detection
are
the keys to avoiding this outcome. Improved imaging capabilities [with
the
CAVITAT (tm)] give us the tool for such early intervention.. The first
step
in
solving the problem, however, is awareness of it. You have taken that
step
and are urged to take the next one. Doctors: Learn to recognize
jawbone
cavitations and to either treat them surgically, or refer your patient
to
a
qualified cavitation surgeon for treatment. Patients: Seek out a
dentist
familiar with jawbone pathology: It may be the unsuspected cause of
your
systemic problems."
--Susan Stockton, MA, author of Beyond Amalgam
http://www.healthcarealternatives.net/JBcavitations.htm


Susan's advice is obviously RADICAL - but it makes sense to me.

One definition of the word radical is "arising from or going to a root
or
source."

Again quoting Susan on root canals:

"Root canals will unquestionably cause cavitations sooner or later..."
http://www.healthcarealternatives.net/JBcavitations.htm

To order Susan's book, go to:
http://www.healthcarealternatives.net/books.html




Megadose Vit C relieved cured relieved periodontal disease?



Laura Lee Radio Show...transcript excerpt...

Also cavitation is a new term you're going to learn tonight and that is
the
space left in the jawbone when a tooth is extracted. If an infected
tooth
or
simply a wisdom tooth that needs to come out to make space, problems can
arise with dead tissue in the jawbone and you're going to learn tonight
what
you can do about these conditions. We have with us Dr. George Meinig,
the
author of Root Canal Cover-Up.

Martin: Hello, Laura Lee. Yeah this is kind of a personal topic for me,
about 15 years ago I heard a report from the University of Texas Medical
School at Waco. They had a 6ve-year study where they demonstrated that
1,000
milligrams of vitamin C per day would prevent periodontal
disease...[A]fter
that I was diagnosed by my dentist...with pretty serious periodontal
disease...I immediately started taking 15,000 mg per day for the next
four
months. He x-rayed my teeth at the end of the third month and he said
"You
know something's happening here, the number of pockets you have and the
size
of those pockets is rapidly diminishing" 90 he wanted to re-X-ray just
to
verify this, so he did and it showed that some of the smaller pockets
had
completely gone away and the larger pockets were reduced by less than
half
their previous size only three months before...And he was amazed and he
asked me what I had been doing, and I said I had simply been taking
15,000
mg of vitamin C every day - 5,000 with each meal. And other than that I
hadn't changed my diet or done anything else. Does your guest have any
experience using vitamin C for therapy?

Laura Lee: Well, they are looking into nutrition and the impact it has
on
health overall. Dr. Meinig...

Dr. Meinig: Well a third of my practice is actually periodontal disease.
You
said that I was a specialist in endodontics but I preferred to do all of
dentistry and about a third of practice was periodontal disease. I never
had
any patient do 15,000 mg of vitamin C, I got many of them on vitamin C,
but
not that much, and your discovery is a very interesting one and I'm
going
to
advise a few people to try that and let's see what happens with them. I
can't say that I've had experience to that extent with anybody.
http://www.mercola.com/2001/apr/25/cavitations.htm



I copied the following from a NG discussion - possibly from this NG -
about
a year or two ago. Seems that 250 mg of vitamin C per day saturates the
body
and the rest is eliminated, according to this research. More research
could
be needed though.

Enjoy!

RF



Recently Dr Weil reported some research which indicated that the
human body can utilize no more than about 250 mg of vitamin C per day.
Anyone know any more about this?

This is true. Linus Pauling was wrong in naively believing that only when
you got diarrhoea was the body getting enough vitamin C..

This is what Weil is referring to ---

New insights into the physiology and pharmacology of vitamin C
Sebastian J. Padayatty, Mark Levine
CMAJ 2001;164(3):353-5 [PDF]

(Note that the circulating white blood cells are saturated with ascorbic
acid at an intake of just 100 mgm per day.)

Quote--

When given orally, ascorbic acid is well absorbed at lower doses, but
absorption decreases as the dose increases. Thus, median bioavailability
following an oral dose is 87% for 30 mg, 80% for 100 mg, 72% for 200 mg
and
63% for 500 mg. Less than 50% of a 1250-mg dose is absorbed, and most of
the
absorbed dose is excreted in the urine.
Ascorbic acid is not protein bound, so it is filtered and reabsorbed by
the
kidneys in healthy subjects but is lost in patients who have been
hemodialyzed. Ascorbic acid begins to appear in urine at doses above 100
mg/day, corresponding to a plasma concentration of about 60 µmol/L, at
which
point plasma is 70% saturated and
circulating white blood cells are fully saturated. Decreased
bioavailability
and renal excretion keep plasma vitamin C at less than 100 µmol/L, even
with
an oral dose of 1000 mg. In men at steady state, a 30-mg daily intake
results in a mean plasma concentration of 9 µmol/L, 60 mg results in 25
µmol/L, 100 mg in 56 µmol/L and 200 mg in 75 µmol/L. Thus, the
dose-concentration relationship is sigmoidal, with the steep portion of
the
curve lying between 30 mg and 100 mg of oral vitamin C daily.
Doses greater than 500 mg daily contribute little to plasma or tissue
stores.
Circulating white blood cells contain 10-30 times the plasma
concentrations
of vitamin C.

End quote

Peter Moran

Anti oxidants 'give electrons' and they reduce oxidative stress which is a
sign of disease.
The more 'stress' you have the more vitamin c will be 'used up' and the less
you will urinate out.
Animals have been known to increase they vitamin c synthesis by 100 fold in
times of stress.
Anth

"Red Fox" wrote in message
link.net...

http://www.hon.ch/News/HSN/514162.html
Anth

Thanks Anth for the inputs. Looks like much more research is needed in this
field.

RF

..
"Anth" wrote in message
...
Anti oxidants 'give electrons' and they reduce oxidative stress which is a
sign of disease.
The more 'stress' you have the more vitamin c will be 'used up' and the
less
you will urinate out.
Animals have been known to increase they vitamin c synthesis by 100 fold
in
times of stress.
Anth

"Red Fox" wrote in message
link.net...