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Old September 19th 06, 08:03 PM posted to misc.headlines,misc.kids.health,misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine
PeterB
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Default Hallelujah! Abraham Cherrix is improving


David Wright wrote:
In article [email protected], vakker wrote:
If Abraham Cherrix becomes completely well what will all the naysayers do
and say? How will they try to make it insignificant? I wonder how Moran will
try to poo poo poo it away? Spontaneous remission? The chemo kicked in?
Wrong diagnosis to begin with? A miracle? Peter, how is this kid getting
better?


There's no way to know what they'll say, because the family isn't
giving any information about treatments Abraham is getting. But if
he's getting herbs and radiation, and he does get better, it's a cinch
the nitwits will attribute *everything* to the herbs.


No, it's a cinch that nitwits like you will attribute anything to his
improvement other than his own immune response. The question is what
works best to stimulate and support that response.

We don't really know whether he's getting better or not. He claimed
he was in the past, even as his tumors got larger. I don't wish him
any ill will, but I wouldn't wager any significant sum on his still
being alive in five years under his current treatment regimen, either.


I won't wanger a significant sum that you'll be saying anything
worthwhile on mha in 5 years, either.

PeterB

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Old September 19th 06, 08:16 PM posted to misc.headlines,misc.kids.health,misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine
PeterB
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Default Hallelujah! Abraham Cherrix is improving


Mark Probert wrote:
JohnDoe wrote:
vakker wrote:

If Abraham Cherrix becomes completely well what will all the naysayers do
and say? How will they try to make it insignificant? I wonder how Moran will
try to poo poo poo it away? Spontaneous remission? The chemo kicked in?
Wrong diagnosis to begin with? A miracle? Peter, how is this kid getting
better?


Easy - read this:
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20...x_its_over.php

He's not getting a magic potion this time, but treatment that could
actually work, although it's not the recommended optimal treatment. And
odd enough, it's a treatment that has serious side effects. I can
imagine why the Cherrix family doesn't want to comment on that - first
they go to court because Abraham doesn't want treatment with serious
side effects and then they go for treatment with serious side effect.
Basically, they wasted everybody's time, mostly Abraham's, and I think
they know it.


Excellent points by Orac. If Abraham survives, as all hope he does, I
know that the AltNuts will claim it was due to the HOAXsey treatment,
when, actually, Abraham is likely receiving radiation and the
immunotherapy that Orac describes.


One patient's experience can't prove the efficacy of treatment, but in
the end, host immunity is the only way to survive cancer. It may well
be that his latest improvement was triggered by an absence of stress
(ie., the physical and mental stress of chemotherapy.)

PeterB

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Old September 19th 06, 10:59 PM posted to misc.headlines,misc.kids.health,misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine
Mark Probert
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Default Hallelujah! Abraham Cherrix is improving

PeterB wrote:
David Wright wrote:
In article [email protected], vakker wrote:
If Abraham Cherrix becomes completely well what will all the naysayers do
and say? How will they try to make it insignificant? I wonder how Moran will
try to poo poo poo it away? Spontaneous remission? The chemo kicked in?
Wrong diagnosis to begin with? A miracle? Peter, how is this kid getting
better?

There's no way to know what they'll say, because the family isn't
giving any information about treatments Abraham is getting. But if
he's getting herbs and radiation, and he does get better, it's a cinch
the nitwits will attribute *everything* to the herbs.


No, it's a cinch that nitwits like you will attribute anything to his
improvement other than his own immune response. The question is what
works best to stimulate and support that response.


I see. The doctor that is treating him is a radiation oncologist. I'll
assume that you know what that means.

According to his website, cited by Orac, he uses a combination of
therapies to treat cancer, including radiation, which is quite mainstream.

We don't really know whether he's getting better or not. He claimed
he was in the past, even as his tumors got larger. I don't wish him
any ill will, but I wouldn't wager any significant sum on his still
being alive in five years under his current treatment regimen, either.


I won't wanger a significant sum that you'll be saying anything
worthwhile on mha in 5 years, either.


You can wanger anything you want, just do not do it in front of children.

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Old September 19th 06, 11:00 PM posted to misc.headlines,misc.kids.health,misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine
Mark Probert
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Default Hallelujah! Abraham Cherrix is improving

PeterB wrote:
Mark Probert wrote:
JohnDoe wrote:
vakker wrote:

If Abraham Cherrix becomes completely well what will all the naysayers do
and say? How will they try to make it insignificant? I wonder how Moran will
try to poo poo poo it away? Spontaneous remission? The chemo kicked in?
Wrong diagnosis to begin with? A miracle? Peter, how is this kid getting
better?
Easy - read this:
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20...x_its_over.php

He's not getting a magic potion this time, but treatment that could
actually work, although it's not the recommended optimal treatment. And
odd enough, it's a treatment that has serious side effects. I can
imagine why the Cherrix family doesn't want to comment on that - first
they go to court because Abraham doesn't want treatment with serious
side effects and then they go for treatment with serious side effect.
Basically, they wasted everybody's time, mostly Abraham's, and I think
they know it.

Excellent points by Orac. If Abraham survives, as all hope he does, I
know that the AltNuts will claim it was due to the HOAXsey treatment,
when, actually, Abraham is likely receiving radiation and the
immunotherapy that Orac describes.


One patient's experience can't prove the efficacy of treatment, but in
the end, host immunity is the only way to survive cancer.


Another avenue for a vaccine....

It may well
be that his latest improvement was triggered by an absence of stress
(ie., the physical and mental stress of chemotherapy.)


Sure.


  #15  
Old September 20th 06, 05:44 AM posted to misc.headlines,misc.kids.health,misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine
Jan Drew
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Default Hallelujah! Abraham Cherrix is improving


"Mark Probert" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
PeterB wrote:
David Wright wrote:
In article [email protected], vakker
wrote:
If Abraham Cherrix becomes completely well what will all the naysayers
do
and say? How will they try to make it insignificant? I wonder how Moran
will
try to poo poo poo it away? Spontaneous remission? The chemo kicked in?
Wrong diagnosis to begin with? A miracle? Peter, how is this kid
getting
better?
There's no way to know what they'll say, because the family isn't
giving any information about treatments Abraham is getting. But if
he's getting herbs and radiation, and he does get better, it's a cinch
the nitwits will attribute *everything* to the herbs.


No, it's a cinch that nitwits like you will attribute anything to his
improvement other than his own immune response. The question is what
works best to stimulate and support that response.


I see. The doctor that is treating him is a radiation oncologist. I'll
assume that you know what that means.

According to his website, cited by Orac, he uses a combination of
therapies to treat cancer, including radiation, which is quite mainstream.


by Orac. What a hoot!

Proven FACT Orac lies for/with Mark.................

We don't really know whether he's getting better or not. He claimed
he was in the past, even as his tumors got larger. I don't wish him
any ill will, but I wouldn't wager any significant sum on his still
being alive in five years under his current treatment regimen, either.


I won't wanger a significant sum that you'll be saying anything
worthwhile on mha in 5 years, either.


You can wanger anything you want, just do not do it in front of children.



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Old September 20th 06, 05:49 AM posted to misc.headlines,misc.kids.health,misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine
Jan Drew
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Default Hallelujah! Abraham Cherrix is improving


"Mark Probert" wrote in message
ups.com...

JohnDoe wrote:
vakker wrote:

If Abraham Cherrix becomes completely well what will all the naysayers
do
and say? How will they try to make it insignificant? I wonder how Moran
will
try to poo poo poo it away? Spontaneous remission? The chemo kicked in?
Wrong diagnosis to begin with? A miracle? Peter, how is this kid
getting
better?


Easy - read this:
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20...x_its_over.php

He's not getting a magic potion this time, but treatment that could
actually work, although it's not the recommended optimal treatment. And
odd enough, it's a treatment that has serious side effects. I can
imagine why the Cherrix family doesn't want to comment on that - first
they go to court because Abraham doesn't want treatment with serious
side effects and then they go for treatment with serious side effect.
Basically, they wasted everybody's time, mostly Abraham's, and I think
they know it.


Excellent points by Orac.


Naaww. I am shocked!

If Abraham survives, as all hope he does, I
know that the AltNuts will claim it was due to the HOAXsey treatment,


Poor Mark. That IS Hoxsey.

when, actually, Abraham is likely receiving radiation and the
immunotherapy that Orac describes.


"Jan Drew" wrote in message
...




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Old September 20th 06, 02:46 PM posted to misc.headlines,misc.kids.health,misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine
PeterB
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Default Hallelujah! Abraham Cherrix is improving


Mark Probert wrote:
PeterB wrote:
Mark Probert wrote:
JohnDoe wrote:
vakker wrote:

If Abraham Cherrix becomes completely well what will all the naysayers do
and say? How will they try to make it insignificant? I wonder how Moran will
try to poo poo poo it away? Spontaneous remission? The chemo kicked in?
Wrong diagnosis to begin with? A miracle? Peter, how is this kid getting
better?
Easy - read this:
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20...x_its_over.php

He's not getting a magic potion this time, but treatment that could
actually work, although it's not the recommended optimal treatment. And
odd enough, it's a treatment that has serious side effects. I can
imagine why the Cherrix family doesn't want to comment on that - first
they go to court because Abraham doesn't want treatment with serious
side effects and then they go for treatment with serious side effect.
Basically, they wasted everybody's time, mostly Abraham's, and I think
they know it.
Excellent points by Orac. If Abraham survives, as all hope he does, I
know that the AltNuts will claim it was due to the HOAXsey treatment,
when, actually, Abraham is likely receiving radiation and the
immunotherapy that Orac describes.


One patient's experience can't prove the efficacy of treatment, but in
the end, host immunity is the only way to survive cancer.


Another avenue for a vaccine....


Vaccine is inferior to natural immune support, which depends mostly on
proper nutrition.

It may well
be that his latest improvement was triggered by an absence of stress
(ie., the physical and mental stress of chemotherapy.)


Sure.


Since stress can cause disease, taking it away can reverse it. Almost
all disease is the product of a stressor.

PeterB

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Old September 20th 06, 02:57 PM posted to misc.headlines,misc.kids.health,misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine
JohnDoe
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Default Hallelujah! Abraham Cherrix is improving

PeterB wrote:

Mark Probert wrote:

PeterB wrote:

Mark Probert wrote:

JohnDoe wrote:

vakker wrote:


If Abraham Cherrix becomes completely well what will all the naysayers do
and say? How will they try to make it insignificant? I wonder how Moran will
try to poo poo poo it away? Spontaneous remission? The chemo kicked in?
Wrong diagnosis to begin with? A miracle? Peter, how is this kid getting
better?

Easy - read this:
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20...x_its_over.php

He's not getting a magic potion this time, but treatment that could
actually work, although it's not the recommended optimal treatment. And
odd enough, it's a treatment that has serious side effects. I can
imagine why the Cherrix family doesn't want to comment on that - first
they go to court because Abraham doesn't want treatment with serious
side effects and then they go for treatment with serious side effect.
Basically, they wasted everybody's time, mostly Abraham's, and I think
they know it.

Excellent points by Orac. If Abraham survives, as all hope he does, I
know that the AltNuts will claim it was due to the HOAXsey treatment,
when, actually, Abraham is likely receiving radiation and the
immunotherapy that Orac describes.

One patient's experience can't prove the efficacy of treatment, but in
the end, host immunity is the only way to survive cancer.


Another avenue for a vaccine....



Vaccine is inferior to natural immune support, which depends mostly on
proper nutrition.


It may well

be that his latest improvement was triggered by an absence of stress
(ie., the physical and mental stress of chemotherapy.)


Sure.



Since stress can cause disease, taking it away can reverse it.


Lemme try and follow this 'logic': "since smoking can cause lung cancer,
quitting smoking can reverse lung cancer".
Shouldn't PeterB get an Ignobel award for these things?

Almost all disease is the product of a stressor.

PeterB

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Old September 20th 06, 03:38 PM posted to misc.headlines,misc.kids.health,misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine
PeterB
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Default Hallelujah! Abraham Cherrix is improving


JohnDoe wrote:
PeterB wrote:

Mark Probert wrote:

PeterB wrote:

Mark Probert wrote:

JohnDoe wrote:

vakker wrote:


If Abraham Cherrix becomes completely well what will all the naysayers do
and say? How will they try to make it insignificant? I wonder how Moran will
try to poo poo poo it away? Spontaneous remission? The chemo kicked in?
Wrong diagnosis to begin with? A miracle? Peter, how is this kid getting
better?

Easy - read this:
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20...x_its_over.php

He's not getting a magic potion this time, but treatment that could
actually work, although it's not the recommended optimal treatment. And
odd enough, it's a treatment that has serious side effects. I can
imagine why the Cherrix family doesn't want to comment on that - first
they go to court because Abraham doesn't want treatment with serious
side effects and then they go for treatment with serious side effect.
Basically, they wasted everybody's time, mostly Abraham's, and I think
they know it.

Excellent points by Orac. If Abraham survives, as all hope he does, I
know that the AltNuts will claim it was due to the HOAXsey treatment,
when, actually, Abraham is likely receiving radiation and the
immunotherapy that Orac describes.

One patient's experience can't prove the efficacy of treatment, but in
the end, host immunity is the only way to survive cancer.

Another avenue for a vaccine....



Vaccine is inferior to natural immune support, which depends mostly on
proper nutrition.


It may well

be that his latest improvement was triggered by an absence of stress
(ie., the physical and mental stress of chemotherapy.)

Sure.



Since stress can cause disease, taking it away can reverse it.


Lemme try and follow this 'logic': "since smoking can cause lung cancer,
quitting smoking can reverse lung cancer".
Shouldn't PeterB get an Ignobel award for these things?


Yesterday, you got spanked (twice) for very poor reading skills, and
today you are back for more. Again: "Since stress can cause disease,
taking it away *can* reverse it." Obviously, the stage of illness
determines how effective removal of the disease trigger will be.

Almost all disease is the product of a stressor.

PeterB


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Old September 20th 06, 03:54 PM posted to misc.headlines,misc.kids.health,misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine
JohnDoe
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Default Hallelujah! Abraham Cherrix is improving

PeterB wrote:

JohnDoe wrote:

PeterB wrote:


Mark Probert wrote:


PeterB wrote:


Mark Probert wrote:


JohnDoe wrote:


vakker wrote:



If Abraham Cherrix becomes completely well what will all the naysayers do
and say? How will they try to make it insignificant? I wonder how Moran will
try to poo poo poo it away? Spontaneous remission? The chemo kicked in?
Wrong diagnosis to begin with? A miracle? Peter, how is this kid getting
better?

Easy - read this:
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20...x_its_over.php

He's not getting a magic potion this time, but treatment that could
actually work, although it's not the recommended optimal treatment. And
odd enough, it's a treatment that has serious side effects. I can
imagine why the Cherrix family doesn't want to comment on that - first
they go to court because Abraham doesn't want treatment with serious
side effects and then they go for treatment with serious side effect.
Basically, they wasted everybody's time, mostly Abraham's, and I think
they know it.

Excellent points by Orac. If Abraham survives, as all hope he does, I
know that the AltNuts will claim it was due to the HOAXsey treatment,
when, actually, Abraham is likely receiving radiation and the
immunotherapy that Orac describes.

One patient's experience can't prove the efficacy of treatment, but in
the end, host immunity is the only way to survive cancer.

Another avenue for a vaccine....


Vaccine is inferior to natural immune support, which depends mostly on
proper nutrition.



It may well


be that his latest improvement was triggered by an absence of stress
(ie., the physical and mental stress of chemotherapy.)

Sure.


Since stress can cause disease, taking it away can reverse it.


Lemme try and follow this 'logic': "since smoking can cause lung cancer,
quitting smoking can reverse lung cancer".
Shouldn't PeterB get an Ignobel award for these things?



Yesterday, you got spanked (twice) for very poor reading skills, and
today you are back for more. Again: "Since stress can cause disease,
taking it away *can* reverse it." Obviously, the stage of illness
determines how effective removal of the disease trigger will be.


I bet you walk around with a sticker on your forehead: "How's my
English?". Or else you should, since you clearly don't even know the
difference between 'can' and 'might'.

Almost all disease is the product of a stressor.

PeterB



 




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