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Old May 17th 07, 07:31 PM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.parenting.spanking
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Default Native American Children in middle of peyote use case: any opinions?

Children in middle of peyote use case

http://www.leelanaunews.com/blog/200...yote-use-case/

Should Native American parents be allowed to give their minor children
hallucinogenic peyote as part of Indian religious ceremonies?

That may be at the heart of a case that will be heard Friday in Leelanau
County by family court Judge Joseph E. Deegan, according to county
prosecutor Joseph T. Hubbell.


“Tied into this case is a First Amendment religious freedom argument,”
Hubbell said. “Generally, the law prohibits any interference with Native
American religious practices.”

Nonetheless, Hubbell is asking Deegan to “take jurisdiction” over five
minor children who, according to court papers, “may be or are eligible
to be members of the Grand Traverse Band of Ottawa and Chippewa Indians
(GTB) and/or are children of Native American parent(s).”

Hubbell said he could not explain why the GTB Tribal Court had not taken
jurisdiction in the case. Tribal Prosecutor Sara Brubaker did not return
a reporter’s phone call.

The former chief judge of the Tribal Court, Katherine Scotta, resigned
unexpectedly in January following months of bitter infighting and Tribal
Court challenges among candidates in a long-postponed Tribal Council
election. A replacement for Scotta has not yet been named.

Coincidentally, an associate judge now shouldering much of the Tribal
Court’s caseload, Wilson D. Brott, works part-time as an assistant
Leelanau County prosecutor. Brott could not be reached for comment.

According to court documents, the father of three of the children who
were allegedly given peyote in Suttons Bay Township. The mothers of the
three children are different women, two of whom the father never
married, according to court documents.

One of the father’s three children, an eight year-old boy, lives with
him. The two other children, girls aged 7 and 2, live with their mothers
in Leelanau County.

One of the father’s girls and two other girls who were allegedly given
peyote – a nine year-old and a seven year-old – reside with their mother
in Suttons Bay. According to court documents, she was never married to
any of the three men who fathered her three children.

The mother admitted to a social worker “that her children have taken the
medicine,” according to court documents.

An investigation conducted earlier this year by the Grand
Traverse/Leelanau Department of Human Services led up to the current
Family Court proceedings. A preliminary Family Court hearing in the
case was held April 25. A pretrial hearing will be held Friday.

According to court documents, one of the children – the seven-year-old
female – described a gathering attended by her father, mother and
others, during which “there is a medicine that she does not like and tea.”

The medicine “looks like mud and the tea is green,” according to a
report of the social worker’s interview with the girl. “The medicine is
in a bowl which is passed around and she had one spoonful. The tea is
contained in a bucket into which everybody scoops out with a cup. (The
girl) stated after she takes the medicine she kind of has a headache.”

A Child Protective Services worker who interviewed the girl and her half
siblings said the eight-year old boy “explained that Peyote opens our
mind to God’s ways and helps you to be brave and do a very good thing.
Peyote is in a bowl which is passed around, using a spoon.”

The boy is reported to have said that the peyote “makes him feel good.”
He said that when another child tried to spit it out, “a lot of grownups
told her to swallow it.”

Another child told the social worker that “she takes the medicine every
time at church,” according to court documents. “They meet in teepees
when the weather is warm and at people’s houses.”

A number of the children and their parents were interviewed at Suttons
Bay Elementary School in February by a Child Protective Services worker,
according to court documents.

The court documents include reports from Munson Medical Center
indicating that tests of the children’s urine were conducted – and
results were positive for mescaline, one of the active ingredients in
peyote.

Peyote is a species of cactus that is indigenous to the American
southwest. Its use is not associated with traditional practices of the
Ottawa and Chippewa Indians or other Great Lakes tribes.

Historically, the use of peyote has been more closely associated with
religious practices of tribes in Arizona and New Mexico.











CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NATIONAL
SECURITY AGENCY/CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY WIRETAPPING PROGRAM....

CPS Does not protect children...
It is sickening how many children are subject to abuse, neglect and even
killed at the hands of Child Protective Services.

every parent should read this .pdf from
connecticut dcf watch...

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com/8x11.pdf

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com

Number of Cases per 100,000 children in the US
These numbers come from The National Center on
Child Abuse and Neglect in Washington. (NCCAN)
Recent numbers have increased significantly for CPS

*Perpetrators of Maltreatment*

Physical Abuse CPS 160, Parents 59
Sexual Abuse CPS 112, Parents 13
Neglect CPS 410, Parents 241
Medical Neglect CPS 14 Parents 12
Fatalities CPS 6.4, Parents 1.5

Imagine that, 6.4 children die at the hands of the very agencies that
are supposed to protect them and only 1.5 at the hands of parents per
100,000 children. CPS perpetrates more abuse, neglect, and sexual abuse
and kills more children then parents in the United States. If the
citizens of this country hold CPS to the same standards that they hold
parents too. No judge should ever put another child in the hands of ANY
government agency because CPS nationwide is guilty of more harm and
death than any human being combined. CPS nationwide is guilty of more
human rights violations and deaths of children then the homes from which
they were removed. When are the judges going to wake up and see that
they are sending children to their death and a life of abuse when
children are removed from safe homes based on the mere opinion of a
bunch of social workers.

BE SURE TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR CANDIDATES STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF
REFORMING OR ABOLISHING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES ("MAKE YOUR CANDIDATES
TAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE.") THEN REMEMBER TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY IF THEY
ARE "FAMILY UNFRIENDLY" IN THE NEXT ELECTION...
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Old May 18th 07, 05:23 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.parenting.spanking
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Default Native American Children in middle of peyote use case: any opinions?

0:-] wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2007 11:31:02 -0700, fx wrote:

"Native American Children in middle of peyote use case: any
opinions?"

Sure. It's a crock of **** to call a mind altering drug a religious
ceremonial substance.

And especially ****ty to feed mind altering drugs to children.



But it's OK with you if Child Protective Services forces massive amounts
of Ritalin, Prozak ,Zoloft, Paxil and Adderall down children's throats
every day against their, and their parents will?

what's wrong with this picture?




At most they could use a "token" amount, as in the sacramental wine of
some Christian sects and cults.

Something that would not actually introduce enough to have any effect.

That in itself would be bad enough.

In some churches they don't even use wine, but substitute grape juice.
I believe this is for the children who take "communion."

Children in middle of peyote use case

http://www.leelanaunews.com/blog/200...yote-use-case/

Should Native American parents be allowed to give their minor children
hallucinogenic peyote as part of Indian religious ceremonies?

That may be at the heart of a case that will be heard Friday in Leelanau
County by family court Judge Joseph E. Deegan, according to county
prosecutor Joseph T. Hubbell.


“Tied into this case is a First Amendment religious freedom argument,”
Hubbell said. “Generally, the law prohibits any interference with Native
American religious practices.”


So what if they took up drinking poisons and handling snakes, and
refusing medical health treatments?

Nonetheless, Hubbell is asking Deegan to “take jurisdiction” over five
minor children who, according to court papers, “may be or are eligible
to be members of the Grand Traverse Band of Ottawa and Chippewa Indians
(GTB) and/or are children of Native American parent(s).”


This is NOT a Peyote eating tribe by tradition. More ****.

Hubbell said he could not explain why the GTB Tribal Court had not taken
jurisdiction in the case. Tribal Prosecutor Sara Brubaker did not return
a reporter’s phone call.


Because they don't want to be the villains and are willing to let the
white eyes take the fall for what they damn well know they should be
policing.

The former chief judge of the Tribal Court, Katherine Scotta, resigned
unexpectedly in January following months of bitter infighting and Tribal
Court challenges among candidates in a long-postponed Tribal Council
election. A replacement for Scotta has not yet been named.

Coincidentally, an associate judge now shouldering much of the Tribal
Court’s caseload, Wilson D. Brott, works part-time as an assistant
Leelanau County prosecutor. Brott could not be reached for comment.

According to court documents, the father of three of the children who
were allegedly given peyote in Suttons Bay Township. The mothers of the
three children are different women, two of whom the father never
married, according to court documents.

One of the father’s three children, an eight year-old boy, lives with
him. The two other children, girls aged 7 and 2, live with their mothers
in Leelanau County.

One of the father’s girls and two other girls who were allegedly given
peyote – a nine year-old and a seven year-old – reside with their mother
in Suttons Bay. According to court documents, she was never married to
any of the three men who fathered her three children.

The mother admitted to a social worker “that her children have taken the
medicine,” according to court documents.

An investigation conducted earlier this year by the Grand
Traverse/Leelanau Department of Human Services led up to the current
Family Court proceedings. A preliminary Family Court hearing in the
case was held April 25. A pretrial hearing will be held Friday.

According to court documents, one of the children – the seven-year-old
female – described a gathering attended by her father, mother and
others, during which “there is a medicine that she does not like and tea.”

The medicine “looks like mud and the tea is green,” according to a
report of the social worker’s interview with the girl. “The medicine is
in a bowl which is passed around and she had one spoonful. The tea is
contained in a bucket into which everybody scoops out with a cup. (The
girl) stated after she takes the medicine she kind of has a headache.”

A Child Protective Services worker who interviewed the girl and her half
siblings said the eight-year old boy “explained that Peyote opens our
mind to God’s ways and helps you to be brave and do a very good thing.
Peyote is in a bowl which is passed around, using a spoon.”

The boy is reported to have said that the peyote “makes him feel good.”
He said that when another child tried to spit it out, “a lot of grownups
told her to swallow it.”

Another child told the social worker that “she takes the medicine every
time at church,” according to court documents. “They meet in teepees
when the weather is warm and at people’s houses.”

A number of the children and their parents were interviewed at Suttons
Bay Elementary School in February by a Child Protective Services worker,
according to court documents.

The court documents include reports from Munson Medical Center
indicating that tests of the children’s urine were conducted – and
results were positive for mescaline, one of the active ingredients in
peyote.

Peyote is a species of cactus that is indigenous to the American
southwest. Its use is not associated with traditional practices of the
Ottawa and Chippewa Indians or other Great Lakes tribes.


As I said. It's a crock of **** from a pack of drug nutsos.

Historically, the use of peyote has been more closely associated with
religious practices of tribes in Arizona and New Mexico.


Nor should they be feeding it to children, if they do.















CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NATIONAL
SECURITY AGENCY/CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY WIRETAPPING PROGRAM....


You are lying. You have as yet to provide a single piece of verifiable
evidence from any other than the Usenet nutsos, you flabby brained
piece of rat****.
Bull****. You are lying again.




And you haven't proved I'm wrong, talk is cheap!




It is sickening how many children are subject to abuse, neglect and even
killed at the hands of Child Protective Services.


Of course, and it's far fewer than at the hands of parents, stupid.

every parent should read this .pdf from
connecticut dcf watch...

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com/8x11.pdf


Nutsos.

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com



More nutsos.
Number of Cases per 100,000 children in the US
These numbers come from The National Center on
Child Abuse and Neglect in Washington. (NCCAN)
Recent numbers have increased significantly for CPS


Still unwilling to give the link for the data that says and proves the
bull**** provided below, aren't you, lying propagandist sicko.


*Perpetrators of Maltreatment*

Physical Abuse CPS 160, Parents 59
Sexual Abuse CPS 112, Parents 13
Neglect CPS 410, Parents 241
Medical Neglect CPS 14 Parents 12
Fatalities CPS 6.4, Parents 1.5

Imagine that, 6.4 children die at the hands of the very agencies that
are supposed to protect them and only 1.5 at the hands of parents per
100,000 children.


No accurate count can be made of the general population. Unlike foster
parents, they do NOT sign away their constitutional rights, and are
NOT subject to random contacts from a government agency where they
cannot refuse entry.

Nor do parents in the general population have to rise to the level of
the lowest denominator in foster care parenting.

A foster parent can't even legally spank a child, and can be charged
with and CONVICTED of child abuse in most states for simply spanking
leaving NO MARKS at all...as well it should be.

Withhold a meal as punishment? That's child abuse in foster care.

Force a child to take a cold shower as punishment? That's child abuse
in foster care.

CPS perpetrates more abuse, neglect, and sexual abuse
and kills more children then parents in the United States.


You have the same level of access to bio families in the population
that CPS has into the foster homes of those families they use for
placements?

If not, then you are lying. There is virtually NO way to know what
goes on behind locked doors.

And bio parents have rights of privacy foster parents have contracted
away.

If the
citizens of this country hold CPS to the same standards that they hold
parents too.


No parent would be able to keep their child, stupid. The standards by
LAW in most states is 'minimally acceptable parenting,' you fake,
fraud, lying, ****ant.

No judge should ever put another child in the hands of ANY
government agency because CPS nationwide is guilty of more harm and
death than any human being combined.


Completely stupid and confused babbling. CPS isn't any government
agency. Are you saying, NO SCHOOLS, no headstart, no health services,
nothing at all if a government agency delivers the services?

See how completely stupid your sick biases and self loathing have made
you?

CPS nationwide is guilty of more
human rights violations and deaths of children then the homes from which
they were removed.


Liar. Come on, prove it without using the nutso propaganda machines of
child abusing assholes like you.


One of the biggest myth's that Child Protective Services has ever
created is that if your for cps reform your a child abuser, nothing is
further from the truth...

Child Protective Services will "NEVER" be able to accomplish its mission
of protecting children as long as the individual states keep using
children taken if from innocent families as "COMMODITIES FOR FEDERAL
DOLLARS"

here's 2 examples you did not comment on

Outrageous Fortune,Private lawyers in arizona's Maricopa County
child-dependency cases are soaking us for unbelievable bucks...


http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2007-...geous-fortune/

and

A conversation with Terry Goddard, 04.22.2007 by The Arizona Daily Star

http://www.azstarnet.com/opinion/179315.php


" STAR: Can we talk about Child Protective Services for a minute?
There's been a lot of activity in the Legislature, a lot of talk about
what, if anything, needs to be done about CPS.

The Legislature may want to conduct closed hearings on CPS because most
members of the Legislature don't really understand what CPS does.
GODDARD: I did an opinion. I am afraid it didn't get any attention
because it was issued the Friday before Easter.

We did a precomprehensive, which goes to the Brandon Williams (the
5-year-old autistic boy who died March 21) cases, which is the
obligation of health-care providers and others in the community under
current state law to report any incident of abuse.

It was a reply to a legislator. Clearly there was failure of a number of
different agencies to report what could have been, and actually was,
evidence of abuse, and they didn't do it.

STAR: What did they ask you to do?

GODDARD: I would refer you to the letter. It's on our Web site at
azag.gov under "opinions."

It does try to articulate what I think many people have misunderstood in
the past, which is exactly what the reporting obligations are. They're
very extensive under state law. Basically, if you had seen young Brandon
with bandages, that should have been reported.

I can't argue with somebody who wants to raise the Legislature's
understanding of what CPS does and what pressures they're under. If the
only question is getting a Legislature more up to speed, I would
certainly support it. I think that's a great idea.

STAR: Is there anybody who measures the success of CPS?

GODDARD: I tend to doubt it because the standard of success keeps changing.


(that's frightening, an agency with such power and no oversight or
Accountability. FX)

I've heard the governor talk entirely in terms of child welfare. Some
legislators talk entirely of family unification.
And CPS is constantly in a pingpong match between those two separate poles.

Right now — this has been my experience — they're leaning toward family
unification as the primary obligation. And child welfare is there, but
as a secondary objective.

We represent CPS in every case of dependency and severance. Right now,
there are 7,000 in the process that I'm aware of. The AG's office has
won 99 percent of the cases for both severance and dependency.

That is not normal in a contested legal situation. I mean, there's a
lawyer on the other side of every one of these cases, usually
state-appointed but nonetheless a competent lawyer is handing the
interest of the parents, the family.


We should not be winning 99 percent of anything.


(my point exactly, he knows what's happening that the governor or
someone is using the system in a way it was never met to be used. FX)

We're good. We have some very dedicated attorneys; they're not that
good. I would be happy with a 70 percent or 80 percent win rate because
then it would mean that some of the close calls were coming through the
system.

STAR: So you're saying that's because you're only getting the worst cases?

GODDARD: We get the worst of the worst."




************************************************** ******************
do you really believe every one of those 7000 families deserves to be
in the CPS system? as you are dealing with the Family equivalent of a
"Death Sentence" even one innocent family destroyed is too much, far too
much and if you read "Outrageous Fortune"

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2007-...geous-fortune/


what do you think is going on here, to me it looks they are using
innocent children as commodities for federal dollars...

PS. This was going on in Kansas and Texas until some news agencys shine
a light on the problem...

What do you think, do you think these families had proper
representation in the Family courts?


When are the judges going to wake up and see that
they are sending children to their death and a life of abuse when
children are removed from safe homes based on the mere opinion of a
bunch of social workers.


You forgot the question mark.

BE SURE TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR CANDIDATES STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF
REFORMING OR ABOLISHING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES ("MAKE YOUR CANDIDATES
TAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE.") THEN REMEMBER TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY IF THEY
ARE "FAMILY UNFRIENDLY" IN THE NEXT ELECTION...


Define family unfriendly.



"Child Protective Services" in its current form without any credible
oversight...


People that drug, rape, sell, assault, and kill their own children
aren't family friendly, and YOU, bunky are trying your best to protect
them.


Not in the least, I think every child abuser belongs jail.


Go back and read the stats you dismissed with a claim of propaganda
(when the same data that is used by all sources, comes from THIS
source, the data submitted to the USDHHS, for publication).

You are a liar.


Not me, that data is incomplete and very seldom matches up with the
individual states data...



yawn


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CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NATIONAL
SECURITY AGENCY/CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY WIRETAPPING PROGRAM....

P.S. do you watch TV? the head of the National Security agency
recently testified before Congress and the House of representatives that
as many as 5000 Americans may have had their civil rights violated by
the NSA/CIA wiretapping program since the program's implementation
several years ago...


Now let's see 7000 families in the CPS system in Arizona alone on
04.22.2007 ( I only have Terry Goddard's word on it!) and considering
Child Protective Services Routinely violates Articles 1, 5, 6, 7, 8, 13
and 14 of the United States Constitution on every investigation, now
if you were to multiply that by 50 States.

you do see where this is going?

and you know what that means? It means

CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NATIONAL
SECURITY AGENCY/CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY WIRETAPPING PROGRAM....

The NSA/CIA are amateurs compared to Child Protective Services for civil
rights violations...

BE SURE TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR CANDIDATES STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF
REFORMING OR ABOLISHING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES ("MAKE YOUR CANDIDATES
TAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE.") THEN REMEMBER TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY IF THEY
ARE "FAMILY UNFRIENDLY" IN THE NEXT ELECTION...
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Old May 18th 07, 05:32 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.parenting.spanking
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"fx" wrote in message
...
0:-] wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2007 11:31:02 -0700, fx wrote:

"Native American Children in middle of peyote use case: any
opinions?"

Sure. It's a crock of **** to call a mind altering drug a religious
ceremonial substance. And especially ****ty to feed mind altering drugs
to children.



But it's OK with you if Child Protective Services forces massive amounts
of Ritalin, Prozak ,Zoloft, Paxil and Adderall down children's throats
every day against their, and their parents will?

what's wrong with this picture?


Your bias.

CPS does not force anyone to take any drug. I have never seen a CPS worker
standing over someone shoving pills down their throat, never heard of it,
have never seen it written in any reputable forum.

In case you missed it, doctors are the only ones in this country who can
write prescriptions for those drugs. Also, all parents do things against
the will of their children, or haven't you noticed that. Every single one
of us do it. Without exception. Why? Because we are required to do what
we think is best for our children, its a moral obligation. As for the will
of the parents, I have fostered more than 200 children, many on these types
of drugs, and have never had one single parent complain about them. Not
one. Not once. But then again maybe they realize just how much they have
screwed up their own kids and are willing to let someone one else make a
call of their type rather than admit to their own culpability in their
child's situation.

Ron


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Old May 18th 07, 05:58 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.parenting.spanking
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Default Native American Children in middle of peyote use case: any opinions?

Ron wrote:
"fx" wrote in message
...
0:-] wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2007 11:31:02 -0700, fx wrote:

"Native American Children in middle of peyote use case: any
opinions?"

Sure. It's a crock of **** to call a mind altering drug a religious
ceremonial substance. And especially ****ty to feed mind altering drugs
to children.


But it's OK with you if Child Protective Services forces massive amounts
of Ritalin, Prozak ,Zoloft, Paxil and Adderall down children's throats
every day against their, and their parents will?

what's wrong with this picture?


Your bias.

CPS does not force anyone to take any drug. I have never seen a CPS worker
standing over someone shoving pills down their throat, never heard of it,
have never seen it written in any reputable forum.

In case you missed it, doctors are the only ones in this country who can
write prescriptions for those drugs. Also, all parents do things against
the will of their children, or haven't you noticed that. Every single one
of us do it. Without exception. Why? Because we are required to do what
we think is best for our children, its a moral obligation. As for the will
of the parents, I have fostered more than 200 children, many on these types
of drugs, and have never had one single parent complain about them. Not
one. Not once. But then again maybe they realize just how much they have
screwed up their own kids and are willing to let someone one else make a
call of their type rather than admit to their own culpability in their
child's situation.

Ron




try this for yourself and learn Google

Child Protective Services forces Ritalin

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search
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Old May 18th 07, 02:40 PM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.parenting.spanking
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"fx" wrote in message
...
Ron wrote:
"fx" wrote in message
...
0:-] wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2007 11:31:02 -0700, fx wrote:

"Native American Children in middle of peyote use case: any
opinions?"

Sure. It's a crock of **** to call a mind altering drug a religious
ceremonial substance. And especially ****ty to feed mind altering drugs
to children.

But it's OK with you if Child Protective Services forces massive amounts
of Ritalin, Prozak ,Zoloft, Paxil and Adderall down children's throats
every day against their, and their parents will?

what's wrong with this picture?


Your bias.

CPS does not force anyone to take any drug. I have never seen a CPS
worker standing over someone shoving pills down their throat, never heard
of it, have never seen it written in any reputable forum.

In case you missed it, doctors are the only ones in this country who can
write prescriptions for those drugs. Also, all parents do things against
the will of their children, or haven't you noticed that. Every single
one of us do it. Without exception. Why? Because we are required to do
what we think is best for our children, its a moral obligation. As for
the will of the parents, I have fostered more than 200 children, many on
these types of drugs, and have never had one single parent complain about
them. Not one. Not once. But then again maybe they realize just how
much they have screwed up their own kids and are willing to let someone
one else make a call of their type rather than admit to their own
culpability in their child's situation.

Ron




try this for yourself and learn Google

Child Protective Services forces Ritalin

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search


Oh.... joy. More propaganda web sites. Ya know, the nice thing about the
internet is that anyone can write anything, truth or fiction, and not be
held accountable for what they write. Imagine what it would be like if our
government had that protection.

You want more information? Try some of the following web sites. I can say
with some authority that they are not going to be propaganda filled sites,
because I actually read what they say and screen for the propaganda that you
seem to prefer.

I'd suggest that you actually be the one to learn to use google. Learn how
to build a search that is going to screen out the BS and give you fact
rather than fiction.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...cinterest.html

http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/Ritalin.html

http://www.healing-arts.org/children...rd-ritalin.htm

http://commdocs.house.gov/committees...edcew6-109.htm

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