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What is in those Vaccinations?????
"Bryan Heit" wrote in message ... john wrote: "Bryan Heit" wrote in message so, polio epidemics were due to improved sanitation? Is that the story. Nope. You really need to pay attention more, we've covered this before. I thought sanitation was sorted out in the 19 century in western countries? Far from it. Even today many poor people in the western nations live with poor sanitation. And not too surprisingly, it is these people who also suffer from the highest rates of infectious disease... Bryan so why did we have polio epidemics in the west when we had sanitation long ago? |
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What is in those Vaccinations?????
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"Mike McWilliams" wrote in message ... Or maybe you should explain for everyone exactly what some cure diluted 30C is going to do, and how we can measure it's effectiveness, or even the difference from another dose of pure water. "Not one case receiving homeopathic care died, while the "old school" doctors lost twenty percent of their (smallpox) cases.....I gave about three hundred internal vaccinations, five to adults acting as practical nurses; to the man who installed the telephone and lights in the pest-house; to mothers who slept with their children while they had smallpox in its severest form. All of these people, exposed daily, were immune."--W. L. Bonnell, MD That leaves you to explain how it works. How can something diluted billions of times have any effect. I propose that fluid replacement was a better cure at the time than conventional medicine. Of course, that has nothing to do with homeopathy except that homeopaths regularly feed people straight water as a cure. |
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What is in those Vaccinations?????
Bryan Heit wrote:
Mark Probert wrote: Leave it to John to tell only half the yarn. I'm surprised he even got half the truth right. John seems to have a predilection for making things up, and it's becoming more and more difficult to tell his lies apart form his half-truths... True. Are you aware that his website was mentioned in a study of Internet sites with mis and dys information? It was called the largest suppository of bull****. |
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What is in those Vaccinations?????
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"Mike McWilliams" wrote in message ... Or maybe you should explain for everyone exactly what some cure diluted 30C is going to do, and how we can measure it's effectiveness, or even the difference from another dose of pure water. "Not one case receiving homeopathic care died, while the "old school" doctors lost twenty percent of their (smallpox) cases.....I gave about three hundred internal vaccinations, five to adults acting as practical nurses; to the man who installed the telephone and lights in the pest-house; to mothers who slept with their children while they had smallpox in its severest form. All of these people, exposed daily, were immune."--W. L. Bonnell, MD So *he* says. Like there's any supporting evidence. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth |
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What is in those Vaccinations?????
"Bryan Heit" wrote in message ... 1) During those years many people still did not have access to proper sanitation. Most polio epidemics in the 1900's were in poor and rural areas - areas which even today don't necessarily have proper sanitation. Why did they have smallpox and smallpox epidemics in cities, yet rural areas hardly experienced smallpox at all? 2) Population density (more people = easier transfer of disease & more people to be infected). Yet less people in rural areas? |
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What is in those Vaccinations?????
"Bryan Heit" wrote in message ... Firstly, there was quite a bit of smallpox in rural areas. It was just noticed more in cities as the population is larger, and the population densities meaned that a larger portion of the population became infected. Many rural areas went for decades without smallpox, while towns suffered epidemics. If sanitation had nothing to do with smallpox how come Leicester just about eliminated smallpox purely through sanitary methods? For decades http://www.whale.to/a/biggsext.html And Leicester was the second biggest town in the UK, so your theory of many people spreading infection etc doesn't hold water. Not only that they completely took apart vaccination by comparison, and showed that poor sanitation and poverty was the cause of smallpox and its spread "The town of Leicester rejected vaccination in favour of sanitation. Her experience during the past fifty years makes nonsense of the claims of the pro-vaccinists. When her population was thoroughly vaccinated she suffered severely from smallpox. As vaccination declined to one per cent of the infants born, smallpox disappeared altogether."---- Lilly Loat [Book 1951] The Truth About Vaccination and Immunization |
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What is in those Vaccinations?????
Mark Probert wrote: PeterB wrote: Mark Probert wrote: PeterB wrote: Mark Probert wrote: PeterB wrote: Mark Probert wrote: PeterB wrote: Mark Probert wrote: PeterB wrote: Mark Probert wrote: Rich wrote: "Bryan Heit" wrote in message ... john wrote: "Bryan Heit" wrote in message ... I have put some DDT pics for you here http://www.whale.to/v/polio2.htm and you are asking us to believe all that spraying had no effect at all? now, that is unbelievable Trying to change the topic? Apparently I've beaten you so badly with the whole polio thing that your only hope is to change the topic to something completely unrelated. Firstly - please provide proof (i.e. a link to google groups for example), demonstrating where I stated that DDT was non-toxic. You can't, because I've never made that claim. Not that we should be surprised you are lying about what I said - you and the truth rarely meet. In fact, the medical literature is extremely clear about the toxicological eeffects of DDT. Including potential cancer risks, endocrine disorders, low birth weight, and so forth. Some reviews: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_DocSum http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_DocSum http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_DocSum http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_DocSum Of course, it isn't as simple as we'd like it to be. Although DDT has some medical effects, as well as ecological effects, DDT represents one of the most potent malarial control substances known to human kind. Since the banning of DDT malaria has spread over a much larger portion of the globe, with disastrous effects on human health. Global warming may be driving the spread of malaria even further. Today, the big question many scientists are asking is if it is possible to use DDT for malarial control, but use it in such a way as to minimize the ecological and human health effects. And answer? We do know - yet. I'm on the side of "Yes!" The reason DDT is an effective antimalarial is that the few species of mosquito that transmit malaria, immediately after engorgement with blood, find a nearby vertical surface, alight head-down, and rest for a long period before flying off. If the interior walls of houses in areas where malaria is indigenous are sprayed with DDT, many, or most of the disease-carrying mosquitos are killed before they have the opportunity to infect more victims. DDT on interior surfaces is not exposed to weather, and is thus not spreading the chemical into the environment where it poses a threat to birds, mostly raptors at the top of the food chain. DDT on house walls poses very little threat to human residents, certainly less threat than the rapid spread of malaria, and even less than malaria-prevention medications. Having had malaria in my 20's and a recurrence in my 50's, I can attest that it really sucks, even if you are healthy. Cue Jan to post something about personal experiences/anecdotes. No one can compete with your record, Markey. You've experienced everything but crucifixion. Or did I speak too soon? Barring that, your cousin knew Jesus. Aha...Petey...once again you prove that when I think you cannot display your stupidity any more cogently than you have done, you exceed yourself. It must be really and truly difficult for you to do so, and I do admire, in a paradoxical sort of way, your efforts. I have mentioned my having Malaria since at least 1999. Which means nothing unless your claims can be medically examined by readers of mha. Your implication was that I made it up as a convenience in this thread. Not so, SupplementBreath. Implied? Not at all. You're a liar, plain and simple. Thanks, Petey, for the directness. At least I know I have been correct all along when I considered you to be an asshole. There are many kinds of people in this world, Markey. You just happen to be most of them. Petey, I understand that you developed the sure fire way of preventing identify theft: Have an identity that no one would consider worth stealing. That's just the malaria talking. Or is it the pharmosa blogosa? Nope. It is the dead on description of your dark, narrow life. Try to think happy thoughts, ok? |
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What is in those Vaccinations?????
PeterB wrote:
Mark Probert wrote: PeterB wrote: Mark Probert wrote: PeterB wrote: Mark Probert wrote: PeterB wrote: Mark Probert wrote: PeterB wrote: Mark Probert wrote: PeterB wrote: Mark Probert wrote: Rich wrote: "Bryan Heit" wrote in message ... john wrote: "Bryan Heit" wrote in message ... I have put some DDT pics for you here http://www.whale.to/v/polio2.htm and you are asking us to believe all that spraying had no effect at all? now, that is unbelievable Trying to change the topic? Apparently I've beaten you so badly with the whole polio thing that your only hope is to change the topic to something completely unrelated. Firstly - please provide proof (i.e. a link to google groups for example), demonstrating where I stated that DDT was non-toxic. You can't, because I've never made that claim. Not that we should be surprised you are lying about what I said - you and the truth rarely meet. In fact, the medical literature is extremely clear about the toxicological eeffects of DDT. Including potential cancer risks, endocrine disorders, low birth weight, and so forth. Some reviews: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_DocSum http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_DocSum http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_DocSum http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_DocSum Of course, it isn't as simple as we'd like it to be. Although DDT has some medical effects, as well as ecological effects, DDT represents one of the most potent malarial control substances known to human kind. Since the banning of DDT malaria has spread over a much larger portion of the globe, with disastrous effects on human health. Global warming may be driving the spread of malaria even further. Today, the big question many scientists are asking is if it is possible to use DDT for malarial control, but use it in such a way as to minimize the ecological and human health effects. And answer? We do know - yet. I'm on the side of "Yes!" The reason DDT is an effective antimalarial is that the few species of mosquito that transmit malaria, immediately after engorgement with blood, find a nearby vertical surface, alight head-down, and rest for a long period before flying off. If the interior walls of houses in areas where malaria is indigenous are sprayed with DDT, many, or most of the disease-carrying mosquitos are killed before they have the opportunity to infect more victims. DDT on interior surfaces is not exposed to weather, and is thus not spreading the chemical into the environment where it poses a threat to birds, mostly raptors at the top of the food chain. DDT on house walls poses very little threat to human residents, certainly less threat than the rapid spread of malaria, and even less than malaria-prevention medications. Having had malaria in my 20's and a recurrence in my 50's, I can attest that it really sucks, even if you are healthy. Cue Jan to post something about personal experiences/anecdotes. No one can compete with your record, Markey. You've experienced everything but crucifixion. Or did I speak too soon? Barring that, your cousin knew Jesus. Aha...Petey...once again you prove that when I think you cannot display your stupidity any more cogently than you have done, you exceed yourself. It must be really and truly difficult for you to do so, and I do admire, in a paradoxical sort of way, your efforts. I have mentioned my having Malaria since at least 1999. Which means nothing unless your claims can be medically examined by readers of mha. Your implication was that I made it up as a convenience in this thread. Not so, SupplementBreath. Implied? Not at all. You're a liar, plain and simple. Thanks, Petey, for the directness. At least I know I have been correct all along when I considered you to be an asshole. There are many kinds of people in this world, Markey. You just happen to be most of them. Petey, I understand that you developed the sure fire way of preventing identify theft: Have an identity that no one would consider worth stealing. That's just the malaria talking. Or is it the pharmosa blogosa? Nope. It is the dead on description of your dark, narrow life. Try to think happy thoughts, ok? I am happy that you are so transparent. |
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john wrote:
Firstly, there was quite a bit of smallpox in rural areas. It was just noticed more in cities as the population is larger, and the population densities meaned that a larger portion of the population became infected. Many rural areas went for decades without smallpox, while towns suffered epidemics. And many towns/cities also went decades without smallpox epidemics. Not that we're surprised that you only told 1/2 of the story. That's the nature of epidemics - they flare up, subside, and then flare up again sometime in the future. There are thousands of rural and urban epidemics which have been recorded: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum Here's one from my home, where roving bands of doctors treated all sorts of diseases, including smallpox, in the provinces highly isolated and small rural communities: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum If sanitation had nothing to do with smallpox how come Leicester just about eliminated smallpox purely through sanitary methods? For decades http://www.whale.to/a/biggsext.html He didn't, as I mentioned in another post there is no link between sanitation and smallpox. In fact, that opinion was largely driven by racist ideologies and class distinctions. A topic well understood and discussed by scientists and sociologists alike: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum Not only that they completely took apart vaccination by comparison, and showed that poor sanitation and poverty was the cause of smallpox and its spread Then how was smallpox eliminated in countries with very poor sanitation - India for example. Bryan |
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"Bryan Heit" wrote in message ... Then how was smallpox eliminated in countries with very poor sanitation - India for example. Bryan It wasn't by vaccination as it disappeared when only 10% of tghe world had been vaccinated, some countries not al all and vaccination was proven useless by statstics, over 90% of the victims being vaccinated as scientist Wallace proved http://www.whale.to/vaccine/smallpox3.html so what was it then? |
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