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Jeff wrote: "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" wrote in message oups.com... (...) This is where liberalism really bugs me. Liberals are the poison paranoia people. Somebody finds some kind of politically correct "poison" like thimerosal, and regardless of the evidence for, or against, liberals will try to hamstring a program that will save 3/4 million kids a year, to keep it from being used. Unintended consequences. They don't care. If the solution doesn't fit their utopian vision, they'd rather *prevent* a reasonable version of it used at all. Disgusting! And then you have conservatives who sent people to war in Iraq because of weapons of mass destruction that don't exist. I think the estimate of the number of people who have died has to be around 15,000 directly and around 200,000 directly and indirectly. COMMENT: Yeah, but don't blame me for them. I'm a libertarian, and never liked that war. COMMENT This is where labels really bug me. Not all conservatives are in favor of the war. And not all liberals are against thimerasol. I am quite liberal and in favor of vaccination. In fact, because of vaccination, I have yet to see a case of Hib menigitis. And there are thousands of kids who are in high school would have otherwise been in the ground. I am also in favor of using GM foods and dislike organic foods. I guess logic can overcome my liberalism. Jeff COMMENT: You must be a lonely, lonely man, then. Vaccination does cut across party lines, because parental concern does. However, vaccine liability and tort law reform usually doesn't. Liberman is the only major liberal in congress I can think of who's come out in favor of tort law reform (without which you historically wouldn't HAVE any vaccines). There must be some others, but they're not very visible. Historically, The Democrats didn't give in to legal protection of vaccine-makers until there very nearly weren't any vaccines or vaccine producers left in the US (I think we're down to about 4 from about 30). That's how out of touch they are. SBH |
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David Wright wrote: Actually, trying to tag the anti-thimerosal crowd as "liberals" is rather disgusting in its own right. The anti-thimerosal people are a mixture of Luddite nitwits and relatives of autistic children who are looking for someone to blame. This sort of thing crosses all ideological boundaries -- or are you going to tell me that good ol' Dan Burton (R-Ind) is a "liberal"? COMMENT: You can find a few crossovers on any political issue you like, including the war in Iraq and tort reform. But while all liberals are not luddites, I think it's closer to the truth that most luddites are liberals. As I pointed out in another message, Ralph Nader was never in danger of splitting the Republican party in 2000. He DID split the Democrats and give us Bush. His group is a subset of the Left, and a not-uninfluential one. SBH |
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Caledonia wrote: Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com wrote: This is where liberalism really bugs me. Liberals are the poison paranoia people. I always thought liberals were the people who wanted to extend healthcare benefits to cover all individuals living in the U.S. Or at the very least, expand government programs serving uninsured children and provide childhood immunizations regardless of nationality/immigration status, sort of like the Kennedy/Kerry proposal. Caledonia COMMENT: Yes, liberals are indeed the people who never met a government program for citizens they didn't like. The Kennedy/Kerry proposal is just the tail end of a Clinton program that effectively 50% socialized the vaccine business in the early 90's, and came close to completing the job of driving every last vaccine maker off American soil (a goal which seems to be dear to the Democratic heart, for some reason). When they're all gone, no doubt we'll import all our vaccines from other countries. While liberals no doubt whine about the outsourcing, loss of jobs, and maybe even vaccine sweatshops. The essence of liberalism is to bind up the mouths of the kine who tread the grain. Then to complain about flour shortages and high prices, and call for government-subsidized bread. SBH |
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"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" wrote: David Wright wrote: Actually, trying to tag the anti-thimerosal crowd as "liberals" is rather disgusting in its own right. The anti-thimerosal people are a mixture of Luddite nitwits and relatives of autistic children who are looking for someone to blame. This sort of thing crosses all ideological boundaries -- or are you going to tell me that good ol' Dan Burton (R-Ind) is a "liberal"? COMMENT: You can find a few crossovers on any political issue you like, including the war in Iraq and tort reform. But while all liberals are not luddites, I think it's closer to the truth that most luddites are liberals. As I pointed out in another message, Ralph Nader was never in danger of splitting the Republican party in 2000. He DID split the Democrats and give us Bush. His group is a subset of the Left, and a not-uninfluential one. Being in Dan's district and listening to him talk, he has a grandson or daughter with autism and is looking for something to blame more than anything else. -- There are three subjects doctors know nothing about and should be ignored when they pretend to: sex, diet and lower back pain. Joel N. Shurkin on the NASW mailing list |
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