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Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causingher to lose sight and ability to walk
On Feb 24, 9:46*am, Dan Sullivan wrote:
On Feb 22, 11:28 pm, LindaLouMom wrote: I agree, Sometimes crazy stuff happens in fostercare. Although what was the crazy stuff going on at home to have them takin in the first place? All the statistics you posted stated that children in foster care turn out bad..well if the dam bio parents were doing the RIGHT thing (not abusing the children, feeding them, protecting them) then these children would not be in foster care. You must be unaware that children can be removed to foster care not because of abuse or neglect... but because of the potential for abuse or neglect. And at least one state can remove children because someone files a petition that the parent or parents are overwhelmed by caring for their children. Actually the "at risk of" category is HUGE. Think of the absurdity of removing kids who are "at risk of" neglect or abuse and placing them in Foster Care which statistically places the kids "at risk of" neglect and abuse. Ron and (LindaLouMom)'s lame argument is basically like when somebody says their own poop doesn't stink. A few people actually dare to present the absurdity that theirs stinks less than others. Some Fosters play this "Sometimes crazy stuff happens in fostercare." thing like it's some kind of excuse. Fortunately there is a growing number of Foster Carers who refuse to be idealogical puppets for the agencies. The old "Do as we say or we'll cut you off" game isn't working as well as it used to for the agencies. |
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Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causingher to lose sight and ability to walk
I do not know what state you are from but Here in Ohio..I sit and
watch so many children DIE at the hands of their bio family because the system refuses to take the children. My neighbor had 3 children...5yrs, 15mo months, 3 months...left the 5 year old to watch every night while she went to the bars...I have went into her house night after night and took the kids into my house. I called the CPS every single time. They visit ask questions then give bio mom a case plan to work on..a day or two later I have the kids again. 2 of the children were born toxic..did they remove the children HELL NO. Guess who has the children now..NOT BIO and not CPS. I just took them one day and have had them for almost 13 months. ( 5year old knows the ratio of water to powder formula when making a bottle) I am not a foster parent nor am I a worker. I am a bio mom of 4 and a teacher. I do not get the funds foster parents get, I do not get any financial help from anyone for keeping these 3 children safe. Bio mom calls once or twice a month to ask about "her babies" and says tell them I love them. WHATEVER!! In my position as a teacher in the inner city, I see abuse committed by bio family DAILY. I call CPS every time I see things and hear things from the children that is not right. Do they ever get removed? NO! One little boy bruised from head to toe because I called about him talking too much in class. Services came to school, took pictures and called mom to the building and questioned her, she said He needs to learn to follow rules and he just bruises easy....he was released to her even though she admitted she is the one who caused the bruises. I am not sure how other other states run the system but here in ohio the system favors the bio families, even when they have caused much harm to the children. |
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Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causingher to lose sight and ability to walk
On Feb 25, 12:17 am, LindaLouMom wrote:
I do not know what state you are from but Here in Ohio..I sit and watch so many children DIE at the hands of their bio family because the system refuses to take the children. A child is more likely to be abused, mollested or die in the hands of the state. And I highly doubt you sit there watching children die. My neighbor had 3 children...5yrs, 15mo months, 3 months...left the 5 year old to watch every night while she went to the bars...I have went into her house night after night and took the kids into my house. I called the CPS every single time. They visit ask questions then give bio mom a case plan to work on..a day or two later I have the kids again. 2 of the children were born toxic..did they remove the children HELL NO. Guess who has the children now..NOT BIO and not CPS. I just took them one day and have had them for almost 13 months. ( 5year old knows the ratio of water to powder formula when making a bottle) I am not a foster parent nor am I a worker. I am a bio mom of 4 and a teacher. I do not get the funds foster parents get, I do not get any financial help from anyone for keeping these 3 children safe. Bio mom calls once or twice a month to ask about "her babies" and says tell them I love them. WHATEVER!! Maybe you could take the real mother to court for child support. In my position as a teacher in the inner city, I see abuse committed by bio family DAILY. I call CPS every time I see things and hear things from the children that is not right. Do they ever get removed? NO! One little boy bruised from head to toe because I called about him talking too much in class. Services came to school, took pictures and called mom to the building and questioned her, she said He needs to learn to follow rules and he just bruises easy....he was released to her even though she admitted she is the one who caused the bruises. I am not sure how other other states run the system but here in ohio the system favors the bio families, even when they have caused much harm to the children. You know, Linda, maybe you came from this perfect middle class family. Maybe you have a wonderful view of childhood and what it should be like. Maybe you sit there watching television only to see the most horriffic acts of abuse being committed by only the most horrible of parents. As a teacher, I'm sure you come into contact with many children. If you are a teacher in a poor neighborhood perhaps it is more likely that you see kids who come from less then perfect worlds. But don't exagerate that which you can not prove. And do not commit to an ultimate solution that just does not work for the children. You will have people like my buddy Ron here, who will swear up and down that the foster care system is the best thing for many of these kids. Yet they get these kids, bounce them around from home to home as if they're puppies. They're always trying to figure out what they are going to do with these kids once they're in the system. Some get adopted into loving homes. Great. Others end up aging out of the system with no family ties, bonds or social support. Lots of them are medicated heavily with psychiatric drugs that they just don't need. There are more than half a million children and youth in the U.S. foster care system, a 90% increase since 1987. Three of 10 of the nation's homeless are former foster children. A recent study has found that 12-18 months after leaving foster ca 27% of the males and 10% of the females had been incarcerated 33% were receiving public assistance 37% had not finished high school 50% were unemployed *Casey Family Programs National Center for Resource Family Support Children in foster care are three to six times more likely than children not in care to have emotional, behavioral and developmental problems, including conduct disorders, depression, difficulties in school and impaired social relationships. Some experts estimate that about 30% of the children in care have marked or severe emotional problems. Various studies have indicated that children and young people in foster care tend to have limited education and job skills, perform poorly in school compared to children who are not in foster care, lag behind in their education by at least one year, and have lower educational attainment than the general population. *Casey Family Programs National Center for Resource Family Support 80 percent of prison inmates have been through the foster care system. *National Association of Social Workers Children are 11 times more likely to be abused in State care than they are in their own homes. *National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect (NCCAN) Children died as a result of abuse in foster care 5.25 times more often than children in the general population. 2.1 percent of all child fatalities took place in foster care. While this may seem like a relatively low number, we must consider the contrast in population between children in the general population versus children in foster care. In 1997, there were nearly 71 million children in the general population (99.6%), but only 302 thousand in state care (.4%) in state care. As state care is supposed to be a 'safe haven', the number of fatalities should be less or at least equal to what it is in the general population of children. By this standard, there should have been less than .4% of child fatalities occurring in foster care, however, there was 5.25 times that amount. (31 states reporting) *CPS Watch Inc. |
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Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causingher to lose sight and ability to walk
It's a freakin' miracle the agency has not made a case
on the kids she described, particularly given that they get bonus money for doing it! If true, you should file for child support against all of the parents involved AND the state. Medicaid for the kids taken in? Do you really think these kids have no living relatives? You could also launch a case about child abandonment, both against the CPS agency and the parents. Do you honestly think this is typical of what CPS agencies do? By the way, have you considered the possibility that CPS might turn around and remove all of the kids, yours and theirs, and accuse you of child neglect or abuse? Seems like the unthinkable doesn't it? But it's happenned. The behavior of CPS agencies is genuinely schizophrenic because while they fail to protect kids in obvious danger, large masses of kids are removed without the legally required "imminent danger", more of a nit-picky or "political expediency" objective. Those jammed up caseloads they always whine about when they want MONEY are not jammed up with obvious cases like what you describe. Instead they work to "make cases" where they should not. For a parent to disrespect the CPS workers is viewed as worse than actual child abuse. They're such morons they even report this ""crime"" to the court as if it is a basis to make a case! (It's NOT!) There just aren't enough kids abandoned as you describe those, to keep the huge bureaucracy funded at the level to which they are accustomed. What's REALLY peculiar about LindaLouMom is that she describes how the system failed thse kids, and yet she holds out the Foster Care system as saintly. WHY is that?? She described how it did NOT help those kids yet justifies the same system that failed them?? Wierd. It's more like her whole goal is to puke on parents in general. Teacher? The "aire of superiority" exists in some teachers. |
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Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causing her to lose sight and ability to walk
"Greegor" wrote in message ... On Feb 23, 4:40 pm, "Ron" wrote: "LK" wrote in message ... On Feb 22, 11:28 pm, LindaLouMom wrote: I agree, Sometimes crazy stuff happens in fostercare. Although what was the crazy stuff going on at home to have them takin in the first place? All the statistics you posted stated that children in foster care turn out bad..well if the dam bio parents were doing the RIGHT thing (not abusing the children, feeding them, protecting them) then these children would not be in foster care. Therefore, the final blame rest with the BIO-PARENTS..not anyone else. Of course fosterparents who commit crazy acts as the one just discussed needs to be sentenced to jail... Just because the caseworkers pull children from their home does not make the caseworks the bad people....they are ONLY trying to protect them from the DANGER they face in their current home situation. What a great example of the Self-Righteously Hypocritical mentality that jusfifies babystealing and plagues the falsley accused easy targets such as poor. Here, allow me to enlighten you oh great loud opinion based on ignorance person here. Visithttp://www.LegallyKidnapped.blogspot.com We know that you would not agree with that position, but then again you do seem to have issues with facts dont you. Not to fear, there are more than eough examples of **** poor parenting on both sides of the issue for everyone. The difference is, when the parents fail to do their job the child suffers. The same could be said for foster parents, but then again if the parents had not failed the children would not be in care. Ron Is there a miniumum IQ requirement for people wanting to be Fosters? In WHAT way are the parents responsible for horrible child abuse at the hands OF THE SYSTEM? The argument is really sick. If a kid was removed for the neglect because of a messy house, how are those parents responsible when the kids get their heads bashed in in foster care? The concepts involved are well beyond your ability to comprehend gregg, as you have proven so many times in the past. But, once again I'll try and clarify it a bit for you. I have no hope of success, but at least I know that going in. Lets use you as an example. It might help you to understand. Lisa's child. If she were to be abused while she is in care (6 years now is it?), you would bear some responsibility for that abuse, since without your original abuse of her she would not be IN care and therefore not in the situation. Get it? Ron |
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Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causing her to lose sight and ability to walk
"LK" wrote in message ... On Feb 23, 5:40 pm, "Ron" wrote: "LK" wrote in message ... On Feb 22, 11:28 pm, LindaLouMom wrote: I agree, Sometimes crazy stuff happens in fostercare. Although what was the crazy stuff going on at home to have them takin in the first place? All the statistics you posted stated that children in foster care turn out bad..well if the dam bio parents were doing the RIGHT thing (not abusing the children, feeding them, protecting them) then these children would not be in foster care. Therefore, the final blame rest with the BIO-PARENTS..not anyone else. Of course fosterparents who commit crazy acts as the one just discussed needs to be sentenced to jail... Just because the caseworkers pull children from their home does not make the caseworks the bad people....they are ONLY trying to protect them from the DANGER they face in their current home situation. What a great example of the Self-Righteously Hypocritical mentality that jusfifies babystealing and plagues the falsley accused easy targets such as poor. Here, allow me to enlighten you oh great loud opinion based on ignorance person here. Visithttp://www.LegallyKidnapped.blogspot.com Ron buddy. Long time no see. *Same, new job, been real busy. We know that you would not agree with that position, but then again you do seem to have issues with facts dont you. No more then you do with the truth. *Ahh, truth vs facts. We have discussed that here before (not you and I, but I and others), and as usual I dont expect the concept to get through to anyone who cannot face the facts. Not to fear, there are more than eough examples of **** poor parenting on both sides of the issue for everyone. Nobody's perfect. *Agreed. The difference is, when the parents fail to do their job the child suffers. The same could be said for foster parents, but then again if the parents had not failed the children would not be in care. Tell me again how that relieves this foster parent from responsibility for his own actions? *It does not. Nor does it releave the parets from their original abuse or some level of responsibility for all of the abuse that results from their original actions. Ron You forgot your tag line. *Got a new computer system for Christmas, just have not added it back in yet. Not to sure I will to be honest, getting a bit tired of all the jerking off with pangborn and his followers (read as "Leaches") so I dont know if I will be getting back into those conversations. I'm a busy puppy these days, and the new schedule is far beyond bizzare. Thats the price one pays for advancement I suppose. Ron |
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Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causing her to lose sight and ability to walk
"LK" wrote in message ... On Feb 25, 12:17 am, LindaLouMom wrote: I do not know what state you are from but Here in Ohio..I sit and watch so many children DIE at the hands of their bio family because the system refuses to take the children. A child is more likely to be abused, mollested or die in the hands of the state. And I highly doubt you sit there watching children die. My neighbor had 3 children...5yrs, 15mo months, 3 months...left the 5 year old to watch every night while she went to the bars...I have went into her house night after night and took the kids into my house. I called the CPS every single time. They visit ask questions then give bio mom a case plan to work on..a day or two later I have the kids again. 2 of the children were born toxic..did they remove the children HELL NO. Guess who has the children now..NOT BIO and not CPS. I just took them one day and have had them for almost 13 months. ( 5year old knows the ratio of water to powder formula when making a bottle) I am not a foster parent nor am I a worker. I am a bio mom of 4 and a teacher. I do not get the funds foster parents get, I do not get any financial help from anyone for keeping these 3 children safe. Bio mom calls once or twice a month to ask about "her babies" and says tell them I love them. WHATEVER!! Maybe you could take the real mother to court for child support. In my position as a teacher in the inner city, I see abuse committed by bio family DAILY. I call CPS every time I see things and hear things from the children that is not right. Do they ever get removed? NO! One little boy bruised from head to toe because I called about him talking too much in class. Services came to school, took pictures and called mom to the building and questioned her, she said He needs to learn to follow rules and he just bruises easy....he was released to her even though she admitted she is the one who caused the bruises. I am not sure how other other states run the system but here in ohio the system favors the bio families, even when they have caused much harm to the children. You know, Linda, maybe you came from this perfect middle class family. Maybe you have a wonderful view of childhood and what it should be like. Maybe you sit there watching television only to see the most horriffic acts of abuse being committed by only the most horrible of parents. As a teacher, I'm sure you come into contact with many children. If you are a teacher in a poor neighborhood perhaps it is more likely that you see kids who come from less then perfect worlds. But don't exagerate that which you can not prove. And do not commit to an ultimate solution that just does not work for the children. You will have people like my buddy Ron here, who will swear up and down that the foster care system is the best thing for many of these kids. Yet they get these kids, bounce them around from home to home as if they're puppies. They're always trying to figure out what they are going to do with these kids once they're in the system. Some get adopted into loving homes. Great. Others end up aging out of the system with no family ties, bonds or social support. Lots of them are medicated heavily with psychiatric drugs that they just don't need. There are more than half a million children and youth in the U.S. foster care system, a 90% increase since 1987. Three of 10 of the nation's homeless are former foster children. A recent study has found that 12-18 months after leaving foster ca 27% of the males and 10% of the females had been incarcerated 33% were receiving public assistance 37% had not finished high school 50% were unemployed *Casey Family Programs National Center for Resource Family Support Children in foster care are three to six times more likely than children not in care to have emotional, behavioral and developmental problems, including conduct disorders, depression, difficulties in school and impaired social relationships. Some experts estimate that about 30% of the children in care have marked or severe emotional problems. Various studies have indicated that children and young people in foster care tend to have limited education and job skills, perform poorly in school compared to children who are not in foster care, lag behind in their education by at least one year, and have lower educational attainment than the general population. *Casey Family Programs National Center for Resource Family Support 80 percent of prison inmates have been through the foster care system. *National Association of Social Workers Children are 11 times more likely to be abused in State care than they are in their own homes. *National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect (NCCAN) Children died as a result of abuse in foster care 5.25 times more often than children in the general population. 2.1 percent of all child fatalities took place in foster care. While this may seem like a relatively low number, we must consider the contrast in population between children in the general population versus children in foster care. In 1997, there were nearly 71 million children in the general population (99.6%), but only 302 thousand in state care (.4%) in state care. As state care is supposed to be a 'safe haven', the number of fatalities should be less or at least equal to what it is in the general population of children. By this standard, there should have been less than .4% of child fatalities occurring in foster care, however, there was 5.25 times that amount. (31 states reporting) *CPS Watch Inc. Please, povide links to the above statement so that their accuracy can be verified. Ron |
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Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causingher to lose sight and ability to walk
On Feb 25, 4:53*pm, "Ron" wrote:
"Greegor" wrote in message ... On Feb 23, 4:40 pm, "Ron" wrote: "LK" wrote in message ... On Feb 22, 11:28 pm, LindaLouMom wrote: I agree, Sometimes crazy stuff happens in fostercare. Although what was the crazy stuff going on at home to have them takin in the first place? All the statistics you posted stated that children in foster care turn out bad..well if the dam bio parents were doing the RIGHT thing (not abusing the children, feeding them, protecting them) then these children would not be in foster care. Therefore, the final blame rest with the BIO-PARENTS..not anyone else. Of course fosterparents who commit crazy acts as the one just discussed needs to be sentenced to jail... Just because the caseworkers pull children from their home does not make the caseworks the bad people....they are ONLY trying to protect them from the DANGER they face in their current home situation. What a great example of the Self-Righteously Hypocritical mentality that jusfifies babystealing and plagues the falsley accused easy targets such as poor. Here, allow me to enlighten you oh great loud opinion based on ignorance person here. Visithttp://www.LegallyKidnapped.blogspot.com We know that you would not agree with that position, but then again you do seem to have issues with facts dont you. Not to fear, there are more than eough examples of **** poor parenting on both sides of the issue for everyone. The difference is, when the parents fail to do their job the child suffers. The same could be said for foster parents, but then again if the parents had not failed the children would not be in care. Ron Is there a miniumum IQ requirement for people wanting to be Fosters? In WHAT way are the parents responsible for horrible child abuse at the hands OF THE SYSTEM? The argument is really sick. If a kid was removed for the neglect because of a messy house, how are those parents responsible when the kids get their heads bashed in in foster care? The concepts involved are well beyond your ability to comprehend gregg, as you have proven so many times in the past. *But, once again I'll try and clarify it a bit for you. *I have no hope of success, but at least I know that going in. Lets use you as an example. *It might help you to understand. *Lisa's child. If she were to be abused while she is in care (6 years now is it?), you would bear some responsibility for that abuse, since without your original abuse of her she would not be IN care and therefore not in the situation. Get it? If there was REAL child abuse why do you think they didn't take it into criminal court? The sham courts that remove kids are NOT up to the legal standards they should be. You think such a sham court removal makes it OK for a Foster to engage in actual CRIMINAL child abuse? |
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Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causingher to lose sight and ability to walk
*Got a new computer system for Christmas, just have not added it back in
yet. *Not to sure I will to be honest, getting a bit tired of all the jerking off with pangborn and his followers (read as "Leaches") so I dont know if I will be getting back into those conversations. *I'm a busy puppy these days, and the new schedule is far beyond bizzare. *Thats the price one pays for advancement I suppose. Ronald Van Dyne of Omaha got promoted to what? Head baby stealer? |
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Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causingher to lose sight and ability to walk
On Feb 25, 6:17*pm, "Ron" wrote:
"LK" wrote in message ... On Feb 23, 5:40 pm, "Ron" wrote: "LK" wrote in message ... On Feb 22, 11:28 pm, LindaLouMom wrote: I agree, Sometimes crazy stuff happens in fostercare. Although what was the crazy stuff going on at home to have them takin in the first place? All the statistics you posted stated that children in foster care turn out bad..well if the dam bio parents were doing the RIGHT thing (not abusing the children, feeding them, protecting them) then these children would not be in foster care. Therefore, the final blame rest with the BIO-PARENTS..not anyone else. Of course fosterparents who commit crazy acts as the one just discussed needs to be sentenced to jail... Just because the caseworkers pull children from their home does not make the caseworks the bad people....they are ONLY trying to protect them from the DANGER they face in their current home situation. What a great example of the Self-Righteously Hypocritical mentality that jusfifies babystealing and plagues the falsley accused easy targets such as poor. Here, allow me to enlighten you oh great loud opinion based on ignorance person here. Visithttp://www.LegallyKidnapped.blogspot.com Ron buddy. *Long time no see. *Same, new job, been real busy. We know that you would not agree with that position, but then again you do seem to have issues with facts dont you. No more then you do with the truth. *Ahh, truth vs facts. *We have discussed that here before (not you and I, but I and others), and as usual I dont expect the concept to get through to anyone who cannot face the facts. Ron buddy, Here's the problem with your facts. They are written and interpreted in order to serve and support a particular point of view. They are not at all objective. They mention how many kids they suspect were maltreated they mention the various types of maltreatment suspected. They leave out other relevent factors. For example, they count some children more then once. If a child was reported more then once in that particular year, that kid was counted twice. They don't tell you how many households abuse has taken place in, because that would be a smaller number, because some of these kids have siblings. So if 899,000 kids were substantiated as abused, the number of abusers or households where abuse had taken place would be compairatevely smaller based on the number of children in a household. It is relevent because we should be told how many abusers are out there. Also your facts state that 50.3% of abused children were girls and 47.7% were boys. That adds up to 98% of abused children being boys or girls. What is the other two percent? Based on 230 foster kids in 15 years, you should have seen at least 4.6 of these by now. Not to fear, there are more than eough examples of **** poor parenting on both sides of the issue for everyone. Nobody's perfect. *Agreed. What about you Ron? The difference is, when the parents fail to do their job the child suffers. The same could be said for foster parents, but then again if the parents had not failed the children would not be in care. Tell me again how that relieves this foster parent from responsibility for his own actions? *It does not. * Then what are you jumping in for with your bull****? What the parent did to the child is irrelevent at this point. We are suspecting that as a teacher lindalou or whatever her name is, would be able to see these things that you and your extremest pro-cps views refuse too. Nor does it releave the parets from their original abuse or some level of responsibility for all of the abuse that results from their original actions. The parent looses responsibility for what happens to the kid when they loose the kid. The state takes over the responsibility for what happens to the kid while they have control of the kid. It's as simple as that Ron. If the parents are responsible for the kid entering foster care then fine. They are responsible for the kid being in foster care. Not what happens to the kid in foster care. If the foster parent shakes the kid and the kid is harmed from being shaken by that foster parent, the foster parent is responsible for shaking the kid. The real parent didn't shake the kid, nor did the real parent choose the foster parents that the kid was shaken by. That was the state who chose that foster parent for that child to be shaken by. Ron You forgot your tag line. *Got a new computer system for Christmas, just have not added it back in yet. *Not to sure I will to be honest, getting a bit tired of all the jerking off with pangborn and his followers (read as "Leaches") so I dont know if I will be getting back into those conversations. *I'm a busy puppy these days, and the new schedule is far beyond bizzare. *Thats the price one pays for advancement I suppose. Ron So what are you like the great leader of all the foster parents now? |
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