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Old July 15th 03, 11:11 PM
Marie
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Default Has anyone ever tried these?

In my neverending quest to find *something* that will increase my milk
supply, I am currently taking: 80mg of domperidone/day, 16 capsules of
Fenugreek/day and 16 capsules of Blessed Thistle/day. SIGH All this, and
I'm still oly making *maybe* 1/2 of what I need for my twin boys. While I
can't find anything definitive--I'm not sure I can/should increase my
Fenugreek or Blessed Thistle (if any of you know what the max dosage should
be, please let me know), so I've been trying to find other things I can add
to my regime that may help.

Today I read something that suggested raspberry leaf, fennel, and brewer's
yeast may help. Has anyone had any experience with any of these? What
about Milk Thistle (something else someone recommended)? I'm wondering
about dosage, and any side-effects/interactions I should be worried about.

Any other ideas for increasing supply? The boys *still* haven't latched on,
so I'm struggling to increase through pumping alone.

Actually, that raises another question--even if they don't latch, could it
help supply if they just kinda lie there? I'll put them to my breast and
they'll mouth it/lick it/fall asleep on it--just not latch DOUBLE SIGH

TIA

Marie
Chris and Alex--born 04/23/03 @ 31 wks gestational.


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Old July 15th 03, 11:48 PM
Jolene
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Did they ever latch?

"Marie" wrote in message
ble.rogers.com...
In my neverending quest to find *something* that will increase my milk
supply, I am currently taking: 80mg of domperidone/day, 16 capsules of
Fenugreek/day and 16 capsules of Blessed Thistle/day. SIGH All this,

and
I'm still oly making *maybe* 1/2 of what I need for my twin boys. While I
can't find anything definitive--I'm not sure I can/should increase my
Fenugreek or Blessed Thistle (if any of you know what the max dosage

should
be, please let me know), so I've been trying to find other things I can

add
to my regime that may help.

Today I read something that suggested raspberry leaf, fennel, and brewer's
yeast may help. Has anyone had any experience with any of these? What
about Milk Thistle (something else someone recommended)? I'm wondering
about dosage, and any side-effects/interactions I should be worried about.

Any other ideas for increasing supply? The boys *still* haven't latched

on,
so I'm struggling to increase through pumping alone.

Actually, that raises another question--even if they don't latch, could it
help supply if they just kinda lie there? I'll put them to my breast and
they'll mouth it/lick it/fall asleep on it--just not latch DOUBLE SIGH

TIA

Marie
Chris and Alex--born 04/23/03 @ 31 wks gestational.





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Old July 16th 03, 12:10 AM
Shannon G
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Default Has anyone ever tried these?

Instead of the capsules, have you tried a tincture? It is infused and much
stronger than the dried, and most likely old, herb? I've had great success
with Nursing Mothers Tincture from kerrysherbals.com. HTH.

Shannon

"Marie" wrote in message
ble.rogers.com...
In my neverending quest to find *something* that will increase my milk
supply, I am currently taking: 80mg of domperidone/day, 16 capsules of
Fenugreek/day and 16 capsules of Blessed Thistle/day. SIGH All this,

and
I'm still oly making *maybe* 1/2 of what I need for my twin boys. While I
can't find anything definitive--I'm not sure I can/should increase my
Fenugreek or Blessed Thistle (if any of you know what the max dosage

should
be, please let me know), so I've been trying to find other things I can

add
to my regime that may help.

Today I read something that suggested raspberry leaf, fennel, and brewer's
yeast may help. Has anyone had any experience with any of these? What
about Milk Thistle (something else someone recommended)? I'm wondering
about dosage, and any side-effects/interactions I should be worried about.

Any other ideas for increasing supply? The boys *still* haven't latched

on,
so I'm struggling to increase through pumping alone.

Actually, that raises another question--even if they don't latch, could it
help supply if they just kinda lie there? I'll put them to my breast and
they'll mouth it/lick it/fall asleep on it--just not latch DOUBLE SIGH

TIA

Marie
Chris and Alex--born 04/23/03 @ 31 wks gestational.




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Old July 16th 03, 12:35 AM
Truffles
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Larry McMahan wrote:

Marie writes:
: In my neverending quest to find *something* that will increase my milk
: supply, I am currently taking: 80mg of domperidone/day, 16 capsules of
: Fenugreek/day and 16 capsules of Blessed Thistle/day. SIGH All this, and
: I'm still oly making *maybe* 1/2 of what I need for my twin boys. While I
: can't find anything definitive--I'm not sure I can/should increase my
: Fenugreek or Blessed Thistle (if any of you know what the max dosage should
: be, please let me know), so I've been trying to find other things I can add
: to my regime that may help.

: Today I read something that suggested raspberry leaf, fennel, and brewer's
: yeast may help. Has anyone had any experience with any of these? What
: about Milk Thistle (something else someone recommended)? I'm wondering
: about dosage, and any side-effects/interactions I should be worried about.

: Any other ideas for increasing supply? The boys *still* haven't latched on,
: so I'm struggling to increase through pumping alone.

: Actually, that raises another question--even if they don't latch, could it
: help supply if they just kinda lie there? I'll put them to my breast and
: they'll mouth it/lick it/fall asleep on it--just not latch DOUBLE SIGH

: TIA

: Marie
: Chris and Alex--born 04/23/03 @ 31 wks gestational.


OK. if they are not latching well, then you must be pumping. What is your
nursing and pumping schedule. I think you are taking enough herbals, so that
if you are recieving adequate nursign stimulation you should be producing
adequate milk.

How well do they latch, if at all? How long do they nurse? How often/many
times a day do you nurse them? Do you pump? Do you feed them EBM? Do you
use a lact-aid or SNS? Do you feed by bottle? (If so, get rid of it.)
How much EBM, and how much formula (if any) do you feed them a day? These
are the kinds of questions we need detailed answers to do give you any
useful help.

Now for some other ralated suggestions to increase your supply.

1. Drink plenty of water. Normally this would mean at least 12 oz (350 ml)
every 2 hours. Keep a sports bottle by your bed at night. With twins, you
may want to drink more.

2. Get plenty of rest. Especially with twins! Nap whenever they do. Don't
do housework, errands, or cook. Let Dh do it all, of if you can, hire help.
Spend a much time in bed with the twins as possible. Lot's of skin to skin
contact, lots of nursing.

3. Nurse as often as possible. Even if it is only comfort nursing.

These things are just as important as the herbals in increasing supply.

Give us a speedy answer and we will try to offer more help.


Larry, I've suggested the SNS and some of your other suggestions in the
past. She is not nursing and won't ditch the bottles. Just pumping.

Marie, I suggest you check out www.pumpingmoms.org

--
Brigitte aa #2145
edd #3 February 15, 2004
http://www.babiesonline.com/babies/j/joshuaandkaterina/

"Readers are plentiful; thinkers are rare."
~ Harriet Martineau

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Old July 16th 03, 01:04 AM
iphigenia
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Default Has anyone ever tried these?

Marie wrote:

Today I read something that suggested raspberry leaf, fennel, and
brewer's yeast may help. Has anyone had any experience with any of
these? What about Milk Thistle (something else someone
recommended)? I'm wondering about dosage, and any
side-effects/interactions I should be worried about.


Other than what Larry said, which I completely agree with...

Red raspberry leaf is for toning the uterus. It's good for the last
trimester of pregnancy and for alleviating dysmenorrhea. It is not a
galactagogue.

Fennel may have mild galactagogue properties. Its main use is for helping
colicky babies (you drink the tea an hour before nursing).

Brewer's yeast definitely helps. Lots of women have reported increased
production after having a beer, which is made with brewer's yeast.

Milk thistle has been reported to increase supply.

For more information on herbal safety and dosages while BF, see:
http://www.kellymom.com/herbal/index.html

--
iphigenia
www.tristyn.net


  #6  
Old July 16th 03, 01:48 AM
Larry McMahan
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Default Has anyone ever tried these?

Marie writes:
: In my neverending quest to find *something* that will increase my milk
: supply, I am currently taking: 80mg of domperidone/day, 16 capsules of
: Fenugreek/day and 16 capsules of Blessed Thistle/day. SIGH All this, and
: I'm still oly making *maybe* 1/2 of what I need for my twin boys. While I
: can't find anything definitive--I'm not sure I can/should increase my
: Fenugreek or Blessed Thistle (if any of you know what the max dosage should
: be, please let me know), so I've been trying to find other things I can add
: to my regime that may help.

: Today I read something that suggested raspberry leaf, fennel, and brewer's
: yeast may help. Has anyone had any experience with any of these? What
: about Milk Thistle (something else someone recommended)? I'm wondering
: about dosage, and any side-effects/interactions I should be worried about.

: Any other ideas for increasing supply? The boys *still* haven't latched on,
: so I'm struggling to increase through pumping alone.

: Actually, that raises another question--even if they don't latch, could it
: help supply if they just kinda lie there? I'll put them to my breast and
: they'll mouth it/lick it/fall asleep on it--just not latch DOUBLE SIGH

: TIA

: Marie
: Chris and Alex--born 04/23/03 @ 31 wks gestational.


OK. if they are not latching well, then you must be pumping. What is your
nursing and pumping schedule. I think you are taking enough herbals, so that
if you are recieving adequate nursign stimulation you should be producing
adequate milk.

How well do they latch, if at all? How long do they nurse? How often/many
times a day do you nurse them? Do you pump? Do you feed them EBM? Do you
use a lact-aid or SNS? Do you feed by bottle? (If so, get rid of it.)
How much EBM, and how much formula (if any) do you feed them a day? These
are the kinds of questions we need detailed answers to do give you any
useful help.

Now for some other ralated suggestions to increase your supply.

1. Drink plenty of water. Normally this would mean at least 12 oz (350 ml)
every 2 hours. Keep a sports bottle by your bed at night. With twins, you
may want to drink more.

2. Get plenty of rest. Especially with twins! Nap whenever they do. Don't
do housework, errands, or cook. Let Dh do it all, of if you can, hire help.
Spend a much time in bed with the twins as possible. Lot's of skin to skin
contact, lots of nursing.

3. Nurse as often as possible. Even if it is only comfort nursing.

These things are just as important as the herbals in increasing supply.

Give us a speedy answer and we will try to offer more help.

Larry

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Old July 16th 03, 02:06 AM
Marie
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"Shannon G" wrote in message
...
Instead of the capsules, have you tried a tincture? It is infused and

much
stronger than the dried, and most likely old, herb? I've had great

success
with Nursing Mothers Tincture from kerrysherbals.com. HTH.


Haven't tried tinctures--mainly 'cause I've only been able to find the
capsules. I'll try your link--thanks :-)

Marie


Shannon

"Marie" wrote in message
ble.rogers.com...
In my neverending quest to find *something* that will increase my milk
supply, I am currently taking: 80mg of domperidone/day, 16 capsules of
Fenugreek/day and 16 capsules of Blessed Thistle/day. SIGH All this,

and
I'm still oly making *maybe* 1/2 of what I need for my twin boys. While

I
can't find anything definitive--I'm not sure I can/should increase my
Fenugreek or Blessed Thistle (if any of you know what the max dosage

should
be, please let me know), so I've been trying to find other things I can

add
to my regime that may help.

Today I read something that suggested raspberry leaf, fennel, and

brewer's
yeast may help. Has anyone had any experience with any of these? What
about Milk Thistle (something else someone recommended)? I'm wondering
about dosage, and any side-effects/interactions I should be worried

about.

Any other ideas for increasing supply? The boys *still* haven't latched

on,
so I'm struggling to increase through pumping alone.

Actually, that raises another question--even if they don't latch, could

it
help supply if they just kinda lie there? I'll put them to my breast

and
they'll mouth it/lick it/fall asleep on it--just not latch DOUBLE SIGH

TIA

Marie
Chris and Alex--born 04/23/03 @ 31 wks gestational.






  #8  
Old July 16th 03, 02:07 AM
Marie
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Thanks for the link--it looks like the kind of info I need :-)

Marie

"iphigenia" wrote in message
...
Marie wrote:

Today I read something that suggested raspberry leaf, fennel, and
brewer's yeast may help. Has anyone had any experience with any of
these? What about Milk Thistle (something else someone
recommended)? I'm wondering about dosage, and any
side-effects/interactions I should be worried about.


Other than what Larry said, which I completely agree with...

Red raspberry leaf is for toning the uterus. It's good for the last
trimester of pregnancy and for alleviating dysmenorrhea. It is not a
galactagogue.

Fennel may have mild galactagogue properties. Its main use is for helping
colicky babies (you drink the tea an hour before nursing).

Brewer's yeast definitely helps. Lots of women have reported increased
production after having a beer, which is made with brewer's yeast.

Milk thistle has been reported to increase supply.

For more information on herbal safety and dosages while BF, see:
http://www.kellymom.com/herbal/index.html

--
iphigenia
www.tristyn.net




  #9  
Old July 16th 03, 02:24 AM
Marie
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"Larry McMahan" wrote in message
...
Marie writes:
: In my neverending quest to find *something* that will increase my milk
: supply, I am currently taking: 80mg of domperidone/day, 16 capsules of
: Fenugreek/day and 16 capsules of Blessed Thistle/day. SIGH All this,

and
: I'm still oly making *maybe* 1/2 of what I need for my twin boys. While

I
: can't find anything definitive--I'm not sure I can/should increase my
: Fenugreek or Blessed Thistle (if any of you know what the max dosage

should
: be, please let me know), so I've been trying to find other things I can

add
: to my regime that may help.

: Today I read something that suggested raspberry leaf, fennel, and

brewer's
: yeast may help. Has anyone had any experience with any of these? What
: about Milk Thistle (something else someone recommended)? I'm wondering
: about dosage, and any side-effects/interactions I should be worried

about.

: Any other ideas for increasing supply? The boys *still* haven't latched

on,
: so I'm struggling to increase through pumping alone.

: Actually, that raises another question--even if they don't latch, could

it
: help supply if they just kinda lie there? I'll put them to my breast

and
: they'll mouth it/lick it/fall asleep on it--just not latch DOUBLE SIGH

: TIA

: Marie
: Chris and Alex--born 04/23/03 @ 31 wks gestational.


OK. if they are not latching well, then you must be pumping. What is

your
nursing and pumping schedule. I think you are taking enough herbals, so

that
if you are recieving adequate nursign stimulation you should be producing
adequate milk.


Whenever possible, I pump at least 20 minutes every 2 hours. However, if
the boys and I are alone, and they're needing my attention, I sometimes have
to skip a pump.


How well do they latch, if at all?


Not at all, though we're still trying to teach them.

How long do they nurse?


They don't nurse, but I try and give them at least an hour or so of breast
time each day.

How often/many times a day do you nurse them? Do you pump? Do you feed

them EBM?

They each feed about every two-three hours, I pump as often as possible,
they get all the EBM I can produce (about half to 2/3 of what they need)

Do you use a lact-aid or SNS?


I tried tube feeding--it worked with finger-feeding but took about an hour
for each feeding. When we tried it with the breast, they couldn't get *any*
suction and got nothing from the breast or the tube.

Do you feed by bottle? (If so, get rid of it.)


And how do my babies eat if I do?

How much EBM, and how much formula (if any) do you feed them a day?


Between the two of them, they consume about 600-700ml of EBM a day, and
between 300-400ml of formula.

These are the kinds of questions we need detailed answers to do give you

any
useful help.

Now for some other ralated suggestions to increase your supply.

1. Drink plenty of water. Normally this would mean at least 12 oz (350

ml)
every 2 hours. Keep a sports bottle by your bed at night. With twins,

you
may want to drink more.


Does it have to be water or does fruitjuice, pop, etc. count?

2. Get plenty of rest. Especially with twins! Nap whenever they do.


About once a week, if I'm lucky, they nap at the same time :-}

Don't do housework, errands, or cook. Let Dh do it all, of if you can,

hire help.

We have some help, but not enough.

Spend a much time in bed with the twins as possible. Lot's of skin to

skin
contact, lots of nursing.
3. Nurse as often as possible. Even if it is only comfort nursing.


Is it better to do it together or individually? Right now, I try and use it
as one-on-one time.

These things are just as important as the herbals in increasing supply.

Give us a speedy answer and we will try to offer more help.

Larry



  #10  
Old July 16th 03, 02:28 AM
Marie
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"Truffles" wrote in message
...
Larry McMahan wrote:

Marie writes:
: In my neverending quest to find *something* that will increase my milk
: supply, I am currently taking: 80mg of domperidone/day, 16 capsules

of
: Fenugreek/day and 16 capsules of Blessed Thistle/day. SIGH All

this, and
: I'm still oly making *maybe* 1/2 of what I need for my twin boys.

While I
: can't find anything definitive--I'm not sure I can/should increase my
: Fenugreek or Blessed Thistle (if any of you know what the max dosage

should
: be, please let me know), so I've been trying to find other things I

can add
: to my regime that may help.

: Today I read something that suggested raspberry leaf, fennel, and

brewer's
: yeast may help. Has anyone had any experience with any of these?

What
: about Milk Thistle (something else someone recommended)? I'm

wondering
: about dosage, and any side-effects/interactions I should be worried

about.

: Any other ideas for increasing supply? The boys *still* haven't

latched on,
: so I'm struggling to increase through pumping alone.

: Actually, that raises another question--even if they don't latch,

could it
: help supply if they just kinda lie there? I'll put them to my breast

and
: they'll mouth it/lick it/fall asleep on it--just not latch DOUBLE

SIGH

: TIA

: Marie
: Chris and Alex--born 04/23/03 @ 31 wks gestational.


OK. if they are not latching well, then you must be pumping. What is

your
nursing and pumping schedule. I think you are taking enough herbals, so

that
if you are recieving adequate nursign stimulation you should be

producing
adequate milk.

How well do they latch, if at all? How long do they nurse? How

often/many
times a day do you nurse them? Do you pump? Do you feed them EBM? Do

you
use a lact-aid or SNS? Do you feed by bottle? (If so, get rid of it.)
How much EBM, and how much formula (if any) do you feed them a day?

These
are the kinds of questions we need detailed answers to do give you any
useful help.

Now for some other ralated suggestions to increase your supply.

1. Drink plenty of water. Normally this would mean at least 12 oz (350

ml)
every 2 hours. Keep a sports bottle by your bed at night. With twins,

you
may want to drink more.

2. Get plenty of rest. Especially with twins! Nap whenever they do.

Don't
do housework, errands, or cook. Let Dh do it all, of if you can, hire

help.
Spend a much time in bed with the twins as possible. Lot's of skin to

skin
contact, lots of nursing.

3. Nurse as often as possible. Even if it is only comfort nursing.

These things are just as important as the herbals in increasing supply.

Give us a speedy answer and we will try to offer more help.


Larry, I've suggested the SNS and some of your other suggestions in the
past. She is not nursing and won't ditch the bottles. Just pumping.


Not won't--CAN'T. I would love the boys to learn to bf but I refuse to
starve them to do it. I spent 5.5 weeks visiting them in hospital before I
got them home--I will not risk putting them back in.


Marie, I suggest you check out www.pumpingmoms.org


Thanks for the link--I'll check it out.

Marie


--
Brigitte aa #2145
edd #3 February 15, 2004
http://www.babiesonline.com/babies/j/joshuaandkaterina/

"Readers are plentiful; thinkers are rare."
~ Harriet Martineau



 




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