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Students increasingly being arrested for school offenses
And we also have many juveniles shifted up to Adult Courts for what formerly
might have been considered pranks. All part and parcel of the Criminalize the family, and Permit the child to get away with outrageous behavior. Schools are increasingly summoning the police. Not so nice to see little Johnny led out of school in handcuffs, nor for parents to face the legal bills. Ho hum.......When will folks learn? Courts have ruled repeatedly that fit parents are presumed to act IN THEIR CHILD'S BEST INTERESTS. Subject: Arresting Unruly Students From: (Mr Munyan) Date: 1/4/2004 6:57 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: ARRESTING UNRULY STUDENTS Greetings: Now is the time for all good educators to read the following article: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/04/education/04TOLE.html If your browser will not allow you to access this site, then the following is a cut and pasted text version: __________________________________________________ ____ Unruly Students Facing Arrest, Not Detention SARA RIMER, The New York Times TOLEDO, Ohio (Jan. 3) -- The 14-year-old girl arrived at school here on Oct. 17 wearing a low-cut midriff top under an unbuttoned sweater. It was a clear violation of the dress code, and school officials gave her a bowling shirt to put on. She refused. Her mother came to the school with an oversize T-shirt. She refused to wear that, too. "It was real ugly," said the girl, whose mother did not want her to be identified. It was a standoff. So the city police officer assigned to the school handcuffed the girl, put her in a police car and took her to the detention center at the Lucas County juvenile courthouse. She was booked on a misdemeanor charge and placed in a holding cell for several hours, until her mother, a 34-year-old vending machine technician, got off work and picked her up. She was one of more than two dozen students in Toledo who were arrested in school in October for offenses like being loud and disruptive, cursing at school officials, shouting at classmates and violating the dress code. They had all violated the city's safe school ordinance. In cities and suburbs around the country, schools are increasingly sending students into the juvenile justice system for the sort of adolescent misbehavior that used to be handled by school administrators. In Toledo and many other places, the juvenile detention center has become an extension of the principal's office. School officials say they have little choice. "The goal is not to put kids out, but to maintain classrooms free of disruptions that make it impossible for teachers to teach and kids to learn," said Jane Bruss, the spokeswoman for the Toledo public schowho is concerned about the rise in school-related cases. There were 1,727 such cases in Lucas County in 2002, up from 1,237 in 2000. Fred Whitman, the court's intake officer, said that only a handful of cases - perhaps 2 percent - were for serious i by student misconduct cases that should be handled in the schools. Although few statistics are available, anecdotal evidence suggests that such cases are on the rise. "Everybody agreed - no matter what side of the system they're from - that they are seeing increasing numbers of kids coming to court for school-based offenses," said Andy Block, who assisted in a 2001 study of Virginia's juvenile justice system by the American Bar Association's Juvenile Defender Center. "All the professionals in the court system were very resentful of this. They felt they were being handed problems and students that the schools were better equipped to address." According to an analysis of school arrest data by the Advancement Project, a civil rights advocacy group in Washington, there were 2,345 juvenile arrests in 2001 in public schools in Miami-Dade County, Fla., nearly three times as many as in 1999. Sixty percent, the project said, were for "simple assaults" - fights that did not involve weapons -and "miscellaneous" charges, including disorderly conduct. Many of the court cases around the country involve special-education students whose behavior is often related to their disabilities, Mr. Block and others say. In an elementary school in northeastern Pennsylvania, an 8-year-old boy in a special-education class was charged with disorderly conduct this fall for his behavior in a time-out room: urinating on the floor, throwing his shoes at the ceiling and telling a teacher, "Kids rule." "Teachers and school administrators know now that they can shift these kids into juvenile court," said Marsha Levick, legal director for the Juvenile Law Center of Philadelphia, which is representing the boy and has asked that the charges be dismissed. "The culture has shifted. Juvenile court is seen as an antidote for all sorts of behavior that in the past resulted in time out or suspension." __________________________________________________ ___ Yessiree. If students can now be arrested for disobeying their dress codes, then they sure as hell can be arrested for disobeying their uniform policies. As a long time supporter of mandatory uniform policies, this is some of the best news I've heard in a long time and certainly a step in the right direction. Let's be honest. Any student who deliberately disobeys a mandatory school dress code or uniform policy is guilty of opposition to authority and insubordination. Any student who displays such behavior is being disruptive to the school setting. If a student persists in such behavior after one simple warning, then that student deserves to be arrested on the spot, handcuffed, and taken to either a jail or a detention facility. Give them a trial and some time behind bars if they are found guilty. The same thing goes for all other school misbehavior too. Any form of chronic school or classroom disruption, opposition to authority, disrespect to any school employee, or any other rule violation should be automatic grounds for the same consequences as well. While we're at it, let's slap a hefty fine on the parents too. Maybe if the parents knew for certain that they will be fined for the misbehavior of their precious little prima donnas, then maybe they would take more responsibility for the parenting responsibilities and teach them the sanctity of school authority. This may sound harsh, but it's way past time to stop mollycoddling all these snot nosed punks, who are running roughshod over their schools and classrooms today, as well as the spineless limp wristed parents who let them to get away with it. The sad reality of today is that punishments such as after-school detentions and ISS assignments very seldom work anymore and are hard to enforce. It's time to get tough. I don't think I would have to sing this tune if we still had the paddle as a standard utility device in every classroom and a nationwide corps of teachers who had the guts and know how to use it. But we don't. Therefore, we have to look at some other alternatives. If we are not allowed to give them a good whipping, then I can't think of a better one than some mandatory jail time. If I were President Bush, I would seriously consider placing the Department of Education under the direct authority of the Department of Justice and invite Attorney General John Ashcroft to be in charge. He's already doing a hell of a job keeping our terrorists in line, and I think he can do likewise with the snot nosed punks who are terrorizing our public schools. Then I would expand his budget and let him hire as many assistants he needs to do the job. The bottom line is that it's high time to enlist the assistance of our federal government and local law enforcement agencies to bring back order and discipline back to our nation's public schools. Very Sincerely, Arthur Claude Munyan, Sr. |
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Students increasingly being arrested for school offenses
BTW, I can already anticipate L's stereotyped response to such a posting.
She asks ridiculous baiting questions such as "Do you support paddling, whipping, etc. of children." Her only response. Predictable... And she's a teacher?? Wait and see or gather and surmise. chuckle Article for NY Times reveals: Subject: Students increasingly being arrested for school offenses From: (Fern5827) Date: 1/6/2004 9:39 AM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: And we also have many juveniles shifted up to Adult Courts for what formerly might have been considered pranks. All part and parcel of the Criminalize the family, and Permit the child to get away with outrageous behavior. Schools are increasingly summoning the police. Not so nice to see little Johnny led out of school in handcuffs, nor for parents to face the legal bills. Ho hum.......When will folks learn? Courts have ruled repeatedly that fit parents are presumed to act IN THEIR CHILD'S BEST INTERESTS. Subject: Arresting Unruly Students From: (Mr Munyan) Date: 1/4/2004 6:57 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: ARRESTING UNRULY STUDENTS Greetings: Now is the time for all good educators to read the following article: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/04/education/04TOLE.html If your browser will not allow you to access this site, then the following is a cut and pasted text version: _________________________________________________ _____ Unruly Students Facing Arrest, Not Detention SARA RIMER, The New York Times TOLEDO, Ohio (Jan. 3) -- The 14-year-old girl arrived at school here on Oct. 17 wearing a low-cut midriff top under an unbuttoned sweater. It was a clear violation of the dress code, and school officials gave her a bowling shirt to put on. She refused. Her mother came to the school with an oversize T-shirt. She refused to wear that, too. "It was real ugly," said the girl, whose mother did not want her to be identified. It was a standoff. So the city police officer assigned to the school handcuffed the girl, put her in a police car and took her to the detention center at the Lucas County juvenile courthouse. She was booked on a misdemeanor charge and placed in a holding cell for several hours, until her mother, a 34-year-old vending machine technician, got off work and picked her up. She was one of more than two dozen students in Toledo who were arrested in school in October for offenses like being loud and disruptive, cursing at school officials, shouting at classmates and violating the dress code. They had all violated the city's safe school ordinance. In cities and suburbs around the country, schools are increasingly sending students into the juvenile justice system for the sort of adolescent misbehavior that used to be handled by school administrators. In Toledo and many other places, the juvenile detention center has become an extension of the principal's office. School officials say they have little choice. "The goal is not to put kids out, but to maintain classrooms free of disruptions that make it impossible for teachers to teach and kids to learn," said Jane Bruss, the spokeswoman for the Toledo public schowho is concerned about the rise in school-related cases. There were 1,727 such cases in Lucas County in 2002, up from 1,237 in 2000. Fred Whitman, the court's intake officer, said that only a handful of cases - perhaps 2 percent - were for serious i by student misconduct cases that should be handled in the schools. Although few statistics are available, anecdotal evidence suggests that such cases are on the rise. "Everybody agreed - no matter what side of the system they're from - that they are seeing increasing numbers of kids coming to court for school-based offenses," said Andy Block, who assisted in a 2001 study of Virginia's juvenile justice system by the American Bar Association's Juvenile Defender Center. "All the professionals in the court system were very resentful of this. They felt they were being handed problems and students that the schools were better equipped to address." According to an analysis of school arrest data by the Advancement Project, a civil rights advocacy group in Washington, there were 2,345 juvenile arrests in 2001 in public schools in Miami-Dade County, Fla., nearly three times as many as in 1999. Sixty percent, the project said, were for "simple assaults" - fights that did not involve weapons -and "miscellaneous" charges, including disorderly conduct. Many of the court cases around the country involve special-education students whose behavior is often related to their disabilities, Mr. Block and others say. In an elementary school in northeastern Pennsylvania, an 8-year-old boy in a special-education class was charged with disorderly conduct this fall for his behavior in a time-out room: urinating on the floor, throwing his shoes at the ceiling and telling a teacher, "Kids rule." "Teachers and school administrators know now that they can shift these kids into juvenile court," said Marsha Levick, legal director for the Juvenile Law Center of Philadelphia, which is representing the boy and has asked that the charges be dismissed. "The culture has shifted. Juvenile court is seen as an antidote for all sorts of behavior that in the past resulted in time out or suspension." _________________________________________________ ____ Yessiree. If students can now be arrested for disobeying their dress codes, then they sure as hell can be arrested for disobeying their uniform policies. As a long time supporter of mandatory uniform policies, this is some of the best news I've heard in a long time and certainly a step in the right direction. Let's be honest. Any student who deliberately disobeys a mandatory school dress code or uniform policy is guilty of opposition to authority and insubordination. Any student who displays such behavior is being disruptive to the school setting. If a student persists in such behavior after one simple warning, then that student deserves to be arrested on the spot, handcuffed, and taken to either a jail or a detention facility. Give them a trial and some time behind bars if they are found guilty. The same thing goes for all other school misbehavior too. Any form of chronic school or classroom disruption, opposition to authority, disrespect to any school employee, or any other rule violation should be automatic grounds for the same consequences as well. While we're at it, let's slap a hefty fine on the parents too. Maybe if the parents knew for certain that they will be fined for the misbehavior of their precious little prima donnas, then maybe they would take more responsibility for the parenting responsibilities and teach them the sanctity of school authority. This may sound harsh, but it's way past time to stop mollycoddling all these snot nosed punks, who are running roughshod over their schools and classrooms today, as well as the spineless limp wristed parents who let them to get away with it. The sad reality of today is that punishments such as after-school detentions and ISS assignments very seldom work anymore and are hard to enforce. It's time to get tough. I don't think I would have to sing this tune if we still had the paddle as a standard utility device in every classroom and a nationwide corps of teachers who had the guts and know how to use it. But we don't. Therefore, we have to look at some other alternatives. If we are not allowed to give them a good whipping, then I can't think of a better one than some mandatory jail time. If I were President Bush, I would seriously consider placing the Department of Education under the direct authority of the Department of Justice and invite Attorney General John Ashcroft to be in charge. He's already doing a hell of a job keeping our terrorists in line, and I think he can do likewise with the snot nosed punks who are terrorizing our public schools. Then I would expand his budget and let him hire as many assistants he needs to do the job. The bottom line is that it's high time to enlist the assistance of our federal government and local law enforcement agencies to bring back order and discipline back to our nation's public schools. Very Sincerely, Arthur Claude Munyan, Sr. |
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Kane has some problems with violent, abusive verbiage, impulse control, and
anger management. You just proved my case. Thank you for the public airing of your hostile, harassing remarks. Kane has many enemies on many NG's: Subject: Students increasingly being arrested for school offenses From: (Kane) Date: 1/6/2004 10:46 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: (Fern5827) wrote in message ... BTW, I can already anticipate L's stereotyped response to such a posting. Why would "L" respond at all? It's OT in this ng. She asks ridiculous baiting questions such as "Do you support paddling, whipping, etc. of children." I'll go her one better. I KNOW you support paddling and whipping of children, so I needn't ask. You've posted it here, and you are now doing it again with your silly game in hopes to stave off the inevitable....YOU being exposed for the filthy child and family hating **** you are. Her only response. Predictable... Her "only response?" I don't think so. And she's a teacher?? Wait and see or gather and surmise. chuckle Nice try Tarragon, but you won't get out of being responsible for who and what you a a vicious, nasty, thoughtless, stupid pile of filth. What you seem to forget when you post something such as this to aps is that your cohorts have posted many times that 90% or more of parents spank. Where do you think these angry out of control teens come from anyway? My kids, and those of hundreds of families I know that don't use CP never had such problems with their children. It's you spanking yahoos that produce these children. And your only solution: CP. Kane Article for NY Times reveals: Subject: Students increasingly being arrested for school offenses From: (Fern5827) Date: 1/6/2004 9:39 AM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: And we also have many juveniles shifted up to Adult Courts for what formerly might have been considered pranks. All part and parcel of the Criminalize the family, and Permit the child to get away with outrageous behavior. Schools are increasingly summoning the police. Not so nice to see little Johnny led out of school in handcuffs, nor for parents to face the legal bills. Ho hum.......When will folks learn? Courts have ruled repeatedly that fit parents are presumed to act IN THEIR CHILD'S BEST INTERESTS. Subject: Arresting Unruly Students From: (Mr Munyan) Date: 1/4/2004 6:57 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: ARRESTING UNRULY STUDENTS Greetings: Now is the time for all good educators to read the following article: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/04/education/04TOLE.html If your browser will not allow you to access this site, then the following is a cut and pasted text version: _________________________________________________ _____ Unruly Students Facing Arrest, Not Detention SARA RIMER, The New York Times TOLEDO, Ohio (Jan. 3) -- The 14-year-old girl arrived at school here on Oct. 17 wearing a low-cut midriff top under an unbuttoned sweater. It was a clear violation of the dress code, and school officials gave her a bowling shirt to put on. She refused. Her mother came to the school with an oversize T-shirt. She refused to wear that, too. "It was real ugly," said the girl, whose mother did not want her to be identified. It was a standoff. So the city police officer assigned to the school handcuffed the girl, put her in a police car and took her to the detention center at the Lucas County juvenile courthouse. She was booked on a misdemeanor charge and placed in a holding cell for several hours, until her mother, a 34-year-old vending machine technician, got off work and picked her up. She was one of more than two dozen students in Toledo who were arrested in school in October for offenses like being loud and disruptive, cursing at school officials, shouting at classmates and violating the dress code. They had all violated the city's safe school ordinance. In cities and suburbs around the country, schools are increasingly sending students into the juvenile justice system for the sort of adolescent misbehavior that used to be handled by school administrators. In Toledo and many other places, the juvenile detention center has become an extension of the principal's office. School officials say they have little choice. "The goal is not to put kids out, but to maintain classrooms free of disruptions that make it impossible for teachers to teach and kids to learn," said Jane Bruss, the spokeswoman for the Toledo public schowho is concerned about the rise in school-related cases. There were 1,727 such cases in Lucas County in 2002, up from 1,237 in 2000. Fred Whitman, the court's intake officer, said that only a handful of cases - perhaps 2 percent - were for serious i by student misconduct cases that should be handled in the schools. Although few statistics are available, anecdotal evidence suggests that such cases are on the rise. "Everybody agreed - no matter what side of the system they're from - that they are seeing increasing numbers of kids coming to court for school-based offenses," said Andy Block, who assisted in a 2001 study of Virginia's juvenile justice system by the American Bar Association's Juvenile Defender Center. "All the professionals in the court system were very resentful of this. They felt they were being handed problems and students that the schools were better equipped to address." According to an analysis of school arrest data by the Advancement Project, a civil rights advocacy group in Washington, there were 2,345 juvenile arrests in 2001 in public schools in Miami-Dade County, Fla., nearly three times as many as in 1999. Sixty percent, the project said, were for "simple assaults" - fights that did not involve weapons -and "miscellaneous" charges, including disorderly conduct. Many of the court cases around the country involve special-education students whose behavior is often related to their disabilities, Mr. Block and others say. In an elementary school in northeastern Pennsylvania, an 8-year-old boy in a special-education class was charged with disorderly conduct this fall for his behavior in a time-out room: urinating on the floor, throwing his shoes at the ceiling and telling a teacher, "Kids rule." "Teachers and school administrators know now that they can shift these kids into juvenile court," said Marsha Levick, legal director for the Juvenile Law Center of Philadelphia, which is representing the boy and has asked that the charges be dismissed. "The culture has shifted. Juvenile court is seen as an antidote for all sorts of behavior that in the past resulted in time out or suspension." _________________________________________________ ____ Yessiree. If students can now be arrested for disobeying their dress codes, then they sure as hell can be arrested for disobeying their uniform policies. As a long time supporter of mandatory uniform policies, this is some of the best news I've heard in a long time and certainly a step in the right direction. Let's be honest. Any student who deliberately disobeys a mandatory school dress code or uniform policy is guilty of opposition to authority and insubordination. Any student who displays such behavior is being disruptive to the school setting. If a student persists in such behavior after one simple warning, then that student deserves to be arrested on the spot, handcuffed, and taken to either a jail or a detention facility. Give them a trial and some time behind bars if they are found guilty. The same thing goes for all other school misbehavior too. Any form of chronic school or classroom disruption, opposition to authority, disrespect to any school employee, or any other rule violation should be automatic grounds for the same consequences as well. While we're at it, let's slap a hefty fine on the parents too. Maybe if the parents knew for certain that they will be fined for the misbehavior of their precious little prima donnas, then maybe they would take more responsibility for the parenting responsibilities and teach them the sanctity of school authority. This may sound harsh, but it's way past time to stop mollycoddling all these snot nosed punks, who are running roughshod over their schools and classrooms today, as well as the spineless limp wristed parents who let them to get away with it. The sad reality of today is that punishments such as after-school detentions and ISS assignments very seldom work anymore and are hard to enforce. It's time to get tough. I don't think I would have to sing this tune if we still had the paddle as a standard utility device in every classroom and a nationwide corps of teachers who had the guts and know how to use it. But we don't. Therefore, we have to look at some other alternatives. If we are not allowed to give them a good whipping, then I can't think of a better one than some mandatory jail time. If I were President Bush, I would seriously consider placing the Department of Education under the direct authority of the Department of Justice and invite Attorney General John Ashcroft to be in charge. He's already doing a hell of a job keeping our terrorists in line, and I think he can do likewise with the snot nosed punks who are terrorizing our public schools. Then I would expand his budget and let him hire as many assistants he needs to do the job. The bottom line is that it's high time to enlist the assistance of our federal government and local law enforcement agencies to bring back order and discipline back to our nation's public schools. Very Sincerely, Arthur Claude Munyan, Sr. |
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He is also a "never-spanked" boy! ;-) It is useful to have him argue for the anti-spanking zealotS' side. Doan On 7 Jan 2004, Fern5827 wrote: Kane has some problems with violent, abusive verbiage, impulse control, and anger management. You just proved my case. Thank you for the public airing of your hostile, harassing remarks. Kane has many enemies on many NG's: Subject: Students increasingly being arrested for school offenses From: (Kane) Date: 1/6/2004 10:46 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: (Fern5827) wrote in message ... BTW, I can already anticipate L's stereotyped response to such a posting. Why would "L" respond at all? It's OT in this ng. She asks ridiculous baiting questions such as "Do you support paddling, whipping, etc. of children." I'll go her one better. I KNOW you support paddling and whipping of children, so I needn't ask. You've posted it here, and you are now doing it again with your silly game in hopes to stave off the inevitable....YOU being exposed for the filthy child and family hating **** you are. Her only response. Predictable... Her "only response?" I don't think so. And she's a teacher?? Wait and see or gather and surmise. chuckle Nice try Tarragon, but you won't get out of being responsible for who and what you a a vicious, nasty, thoughtless, stupid pile of filth. What you seem to forget when you post something such as this to aps is that your cohorts have posted many times that 90% or more of parents spank. Where do you think these angry out of control teens come from anyway? My kids, and those of hundreds of families I know that don't use CP never had such problems with their children. It's you spanking yahoos that produce these children. And your only solution: CP. Kane Article for NY Times reveals: Subject: Students increasingly being arrested for school offenses From: (Fern5827) Date: 1/6/2004 9:39 AM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: And we also have many juveniles shifted up to Adult Courts for what formerly might have been considered pranks. All part and parcel of the Criminalize the family, and Permit the child to get away with outrageous behavior. Schools are increasingly summoning the police. Not so nice to see little Johnny led out of school in handcuffs, nor for parents to face the legal bills. Ho hum.......When will folks learn? Courts have ruled repeatedly that fit parents are presumed to act IN THEIR CHILD'S BEST INTERESTS. Subject: Arresting Unruly Students From: (Mr Munyan) Date: 1/4/2004 6:57 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: ARRESTING UNRULY STUDENTS Greetings: Now is the time for all good educators to read the following article: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/04/education/04TOLE.html If your browser will not allow you to access this site, then the following is a cut and pasted text version: _________________________________________________ _____ Unruly Students Facing Arrest, Not Detention SARA RIMER, The New York Times TOLEDO, Ohio (Jan. 3) -- The 14-year-old girl arrived at school here on Oct. 17 wearing a low-cut midriff top under an unbuttoned sweater. It was a clear violation of the dress code, and school officials gave her a bowling shirt to put on. She refused. Her mother came to the school with an oversize T-shirt. She refused to wear that, too. "It was real ugly," said the girl, whose mother did not want her to be identified. It was a standoff. So the city police officer assigned to the school handcuffed the girl, put her in a police car and took her to the detention center at the Lucas County juvenile courthouse. She was booked on a misdemeanor charge and placed in a holding cell for several hours, until her mother, a 34-year-old vending machine technician, got off work and picked her up. She was one of more than two dozen students in Toledo who were arrested in school in October for offenses like being loud and disruptive, cursing at school officials, shouting at classmates and violating the dress code. They had all violated the city's safe school ordinance. In cities and suburbs around the country, schools are increasingly sending students into the juvenile justice system for the sort of adolescent misbehavior that used to be handled by school administrators. In Toledo and many other places, the juvenile detention center has become an extension of the principal's office. School officials say they have little choice. "The goal is not to put kids out, but to maintain classrooms free of disruptions that make it impossible for teachers to teach and kids to learn," said Jane Bruss, the spokeswoman for the Toledo public schowho is concerned about the rise in school-related cases. There were 1,727 such cases in Lucas County in 2002, up from 1,237 in 2000. Fred Whitman, the court's intake officer, said that only a handful of cases - perhaps 2 percent - were for serious i by student misconduct cases that should be handled in the schools. Although few statistics are available, anecdotal evidence suggests that such cases are on the rise. "Everybody agreed - no matter what side of the system they're from - that they are seeing increasing numbers of kids coming to court for school-based offenses," said Andy Block, who assisted in a 2001 study of Virginia's juvenile justice system by the American Bar Association's Juvenile Defender Center. "All the professionals in the court system were very resentful of this. They felt they were being handed problems and students that the schools were better equipped to address." According to an analysis of school arrest data by the Advancement Project, a civil rights advocacy group in Washington, there were 2,345 juvenile arrests in 2001 in public schools in Miami-Dade County, Fla., nearly three times as many as in 1999. Sixty percent, the project said, were for "simple assaults" - fights that did not involve weapons -and "miscellaneous" charges, including disorderly conduct. Many of the court cases around the country involve special-education students whose behavior is often related to their disabilities, Mr. Block and others say. In an elementary school in northeastern Pennsylvania, an 8-year-old boy in a special-education class was charged with disorderly conduct this fall for his behavior in a time-out room: urinating on the floor, throwing his shoes at the ceiling and telling a teacher, "Kids rule." "Teachers and school administrators know now that they can shift these kids into juvenile court," said Marsha Levick, legal director for the Juvenile Law Center of Philadelphia, which is representing the boy and has asked that the charges be dismissed. "The culture has shifted. Juvenile court is seen as an antidote for all sorts of behavior that in the past resulted in time out or suspension." _________________________________________________ ____ Yessiree. If students can now be arrested for disobeying their dress codes, then they sure as hell can be arrested for disobeying their uniform policies. As a long time supporter of mandatory uniform policies, this is some of the best news I've heard in a long time and certainly a step in the right direction. Let's be honest. Any student who deliberately disobeys a mandatory school dress code or uniform policy is guilty of opposition to authority and insubordination. Any student who displays such behavior is being disruptive to the school setting. If a student persists in such behavior after one simple warning, then that student deserves to be arrested on the spot, handcuffed, and taken to either a jail or a detention facility. Give them a trial and some time behind bars if they are found guilty. The same thing goes for all other school misbehavior too. Any form of chronic school or classroom disruption, opposition to authority, disrespect to any school employee, or any other rule violation should be automatic grounds for the same consequences as well. While we're at it, let's slap a hefty fine on the parents too. Maybe if the parents knew for certain that they will be fined for the misbehavior of their precious little prima donnas, then maybe they would take more responsibility for the parenting responsibilities and teach them the sanctity of school authority. This may sound harsh, but it's way past time to stop mollycoddling all these snot nosed punks, who are running roughshod over their schools and classrooms today, as well as the spineless limp wristed parents who let them to get away with it. The sad reality of today is that punishments such as after-school detentions and ISS assignments very seldom work anymore and are hard to enforce. It's time to get tough. I don't think I would have to sing this tune if we still had the paddle as a standard utility device in every classroom and a nationwide corps of teachers who had the guts and know how to use it. But we don't. Therefore, we have to look at some other alternatives. If we are not allowed to give them a good whipping, then I can't think of a better one than some mandatory jail time. If I were President Bush, I would seriously consider placing the Department of Education under the direct authority of the Department of Justice and invite Attorney General John Ashcroft to be in charge. He's already doing a hell of a job keeping our terrorists in line, and I think he can do likewise with the snot nosed punks who are terrorizing our public schools. Then I would expand his budget and let him hire as many assistants he needs to do the job. The bottom line is that it's high time to enlist the assistance of our federal government and local law enforcement agencies to bring back order and discipline back to our nation's public schools. Very Sincerely, Arthur Claude Munyan, Sr. |
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(Fern5827) wrote in message ...
Kane has some problems with violent, abusive verbiage, impulse control, and anger management. Kane has no such problems. He uses the language and this forum to expose evil. YOU and those like you: Gigolos that torture children and rip them away from their mother then sit idly by interfering with any attempts by the mother to get her child returned; Plantlife that hate children and loving families so much It argues in favor of beatings by family's church; Lying advocates of abusive thoughtless child beating under the guise of neutrality. You just proved my case. Thank you for the public airing of your hostile, harassing remarks. I have that. And I do that. I'm am HAPPY, OVERJOYED in fact that you recognize it. Now you just have to tell the truth about YOU, Yew. Kane has many enemies on many NG's: I relish them nearly as much as I do my friends and supporters. "So, are you going to respond to my statement: What you seem to forget when you post something such as this to aps is that your cohorts have posted many times that 90% or more of parents spank. Where do you think these angry out of control teens come from anyway? My kids, and those of hundreds of families I know that don't use CP never had such problems with their children. It's you spanking yahoos that produce these children. And your only solution: CP." So Silage, what is YOUR solution? What you accuse (with no comment actually made by L at all) another of claiming you support? Well, tell us....do you NOT support spanking as a parenting skill? And if so how is it that there are all these angry out of control teens? 90% of them have to have been spanked, or are you prepared to prove that only the unspanked children were the acting out teens? R R R R You are a sorry Wilted bunch of Weeds, the lot of you. Kane Subject: Students increasingly being arrested for school offenses From: (Kane) Date: 1/6/2004 10:46 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: (Fern5827) wrote in message ... BTW, I can already anticipate L's stereotyped response to such a posting. Why would "L" respond at all? It's OT in this ng. She asks ridiculous baiting questions such as "Do you support paddling, whipping, etc. of children." I'll go her one better. I KNOW you support paddling and whipping of children, so I needn't ask. You've posted it here, and you are now doing it again with your silly game in hopes to stave off the inevitable....YOU being exposed for the filthy child and family hating **** you are. Her only response. Predictable... Her "only response?" I don't think so. And she's a teacher?? Wait and see or gather and surmise. chuckle Nice try Tarragon, but you won't get out of being responsible for who and what you a a vicious, nasty, thoughtless, stupid pile of filth. What you seem to forget when you post something such as this to aps is that your cohorts have posted many times that 90% or more of parents spank. Where do you think these angry out of control teens come from anyway? My kids, and those of hundreds of families I know that don't use CP never had such problems with their children. It's you spanking yahoos that produce these children. And your only solution: CP. Kane Article for NY Times reveals: Subject: Students increasingly being arrested for school offenses From: (Fern5827) Date: 1/6/2004 9:39 AM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: And we also have many juveniles shifted up to Adult Courts for what formerly might have been considered pranks. All part and parcel of the Criminalize the family, and Permit the child to get away with outrageous behavior. Schools are increasingly summoning the police. Not so nice to see little Johnny led out of school in handcuffs, nor for parents to face the legal bills. Ho hum.......When will folks learn? Courts have ruled repeatedly that fit parents are presumed to act IN THEIR CHILD'S BEST INTERESTS. Subject: Arresting Unruly Students From: (Mr Munyan) Date: 1/4/2004 6:57 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: ARRESTING UNRULY STUDENTS Greetings: Now is the time for all good educators to read the following article: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/04/education/04TOLE.html If your browser will not allow you to access this site, then the following is a cut and pasted text version: _________________________________________________ _____ Unruly Students Facing Arrest, Not Detention SARA RIMER, The New York Times TOLEDO, Ohio (Jan. 3) -- The 14-year-old girl arrived at school here on Oct. 17 wearing a low-cut midriff top under an unbuttoned sweater. It was a clear violation of the dress code, and school officials gave her a bowling shirt to put on. She refused. Her mother came to the school with an oversize T-shirt. She refused to wear that, too. "It was real ugly," said the girl, whose mother did not want her to be identified. It was a standoff. So the city police officer assigned to the school handcuffed the girl, put her in a police car and took her to the detention center at the Lucas County juvenile courthouse. She was booked on a misdemeanor charge and placed in a holding cell for several hours, until her mother, a 34-year-old vending machine technician, got off work and picked her up. She was one of more than two dozen students in Toledo who were arrested in school in October for offenses like being loud and disruptive, cursing at school officials, shouting at classmates and violating the dress code. They had all violated the city's safe school ordinance. In cities and suburbs around the country, schools are increasingly sending students into the juvenile justice system for the sort of adolescent misbehavior that used to be handled by school administrators. In Toledo and many other places, the juvenile detention center has become an extension of the principal's office. School officials say they have little choice. "The goal is not to put kids out, but to maintain classrooms free of disruptions that make it impossible for teachers to teach and kids to learn," said Jane Bruss, the spokeswoman for the Toledo public schowho is concerned about the rise in school-related cases. There were 1,727 such cases in Lucas County in 2002, up from 1,237 in 2000. Fred Whitman, the court's intake officer, said that only a handful of cases - perhaps 2 percent - were for serious i by student misconduct cases that should be handled in the schools. Although few statistics are available, anecdotal evidence suggests that such cases are on the rise. "Everybody agreed - no matter what side of the system they're from - that they are seeing increasing numbers of kids coming to court for school-based offenses," said Andy Block, who assisted in a 2001 study of Virginia's juvenile justice system by the American Bar Association's Juvenile Defender Center. "All the professionals in the court system were very resentful of this. They felt they were being handed problems and students that the schools were better equipped to address." According to an analysis of school arrest data by the Advancement Project, a civil rights advocacy group in Washington, there were 2,345 juvenile arrests in 2001 in public schools in Miami-Dade County, Fla., nearly three times as many as in 1999. Sixty percent, the project said, were for "simple assaults" - fights that did not involve weapons -and "miscellaneous" charges, including disorderly conduct. Many of the court cases around the country involve special-education students whose behavior is often related to their disabilities, Mr. Block and others say. In an elementary school in northeastern Pennsylvania, an 8-year-old boy in a special-education class was charged with disorderly conduct this fall for his behavior in a time-out room: urinating on the floor, throwing his shoes at the ceiling and telling a teacher, "Kids rule." "Teachers and school administrators know now that they can shift these kids into juvenile court," said Marsha Levick, legal director for the Juvenile Law Center of Philadelphia, which is representing the boy and has asked that the charges be dismissed. "The culture has shifted. Juvenile court is seen as an antidote for all sorts of behavior that in the past resulted in time out or suspension." _________________________________________________ ____ Yessiree. If students can now be arrested for disobeying their dress codes, then they sure as hell can be arrested for disobeying their uniform policies. As a long time supporter of mandatory uniform policies, this is some of the best news I've heard in a long time and certainly a step in the right direction. Let's be honest. Any student who deliberately disobeys a mandatory school dress code or uniform policy is guilty of opposition to authority and insubordination. Any student who displays such behavior is being disruptive to the school setting. If a student persists in such behavior after one simple warning, then that student deserves to be arrested on the spot, handcuffed, and taken to either a jail or a detention facility. Give them a trial and some time behind bars if they are found guilty. The same thing goes for all other school misbehavior too. Any form of chronic school or classroom disruption, opposition to authority, disrespect to any school employee, or any other rule violation should be automatic grounds for the same consequences as well. While we're at it, let's slap a hefty fine on the parents too. Maybe if the parents knew for certain that they will be fined for the misbehavior of their precious little prima donnas, then maybe they would take more responsibility for the parenting responsibilities and teach them the sanctity of school authority. This may sound harsh, but it's way past time to stop mollycoddling all these snot nosed punks, who are running roughshod over their schools and classrooms today, as well as the spineless limp wristed parents who let them to get away with it. The sad reality of today is that punishments such as after-school detentions and ISS assignments very seldom work anymore and are hard to enforce. It's time to get tough. I don't think I would have to sing this tune if we still had the paddle as a standard utility device in every classroom and a nationwide corps of teachers who had the guts and know how to use it. But we don't. Therefore, we have to look at some other alternatives. If we are not allowed to give them a good whipping, then I can't think of a better one than some mandatory jail time. If I were President Bush, I would seriously consider placing the Department of Education under the direct authority of the Department of Justice and invite Attorney General John Ashcroft to be in charge. He's already doing a hell of a job keeping our terrorists in line, and I think he can do likewise with the snot nosed punks who are terrorizing our public schools. Then I would expand his budget and let him hire as many assistants he needs to do the job. The bottom line is that it's high time to enlist the assistance of our federal government and local law enforcement agencies to bring back order and discipline back to our nation's public schools. Very Sincerely, Arthur Claude Munyan, Sr. |
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Notice THIS thread just died dead...R R R R R ...was... Students increasingly being arrested for school offenses
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(Fern5827) wrote in message: Nothing of any substance beyond the usual Sap Flowing through Its little Cambium Layer. To which, noting that It didn't respond to the respose to Its claim of children being so out of control I posted the following: "So, are you going to respond to my statement: What you seem to forget when you post something such as this to aps is that your cohorts have posted many times that 90% or more of parents spank. Where do you think these angry out of control teens come from anyway? My kids, and those of hundreds of families I know that don't use CP never had such problems with their children. It's you spanking yahoos that produce these children. And your only solution: CP." So Silage, what is YOUR solution? What you accuse (with no comment actually made by L at all) another of claiming you support? Well, tell us....do you NOT support spanking as a parenting skill? And if so how is it that there are all these angry out of control teens? 90% of them have to have been spanked, or are you prepared to prove that only the unspanked children were the acting out teens? R R R R You are a sorry Wilted bunch of Weeds, the lot of you. So there you have it folks, yet another cornered Weasel Vine...just like the Doananator. Tsk. When they can't answer a simple question or refute a claim they run or dance or dodge or grew a new Leaf or two....chuckle You'd think their parents would have taught them not to do that publically, wouldn't you? Put that back in your pants, Fred the Plant. You are embarrassing yourself. The Doananator is obviously too young and too often spanked to know what he is doing so we'll just have to be patient with him...for a time....R R R RR Stoneman |
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