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Old November 19th 04, 12:43 PM
Bebelestrnge0721
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Subject: For those that care to know
From: "Tiffany"
Date: 11/18/2004 8:50 PM Eastern Standard Time
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"Bebelestrnge0721" wrote in message
...
Subject: For those that care to know
From:
(Karen O'Mara)
Date: 11/18/2004 12:25 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

(Bebelestrnge0721) wrote in message
...
My daughter has mantained residential custody of her baby.The judge
refused
the
emergency petition for the father to take the baby from our home. My
daughter
has admitted to the judge she has made bad choices and mistakes since
the
father left her, and admits he has continually emotionally abused her ,
adding
to the severity of her mental and emotional health, and that she has
never
and
will never do anything to hurt her child . Our behavioral therapist
supported
her in court, that she has been working with our family for three years
and
our
home is a safe nurturing environment for the baby. As I have known in my
heart
to be the truth as well. There will still be a custody conference
(arbitration
hearing) in mid January.Hopfully My daughter and her ex can agree upon
something that works for the both of them at that time. Meanwhile my
granddaughter slept snug as a bug in her nursery last night ! I am happy
that
this has helped reasure my daughter that she is not a bad mom and that
she
can
and will be o.k. Thank you to everyone that listened and showed support
to
our
family. Bev

Keep us posted. I have been thinking about you. I hope the father of
the baby will remain sincere and help out and I hope your daughter
seizes the opportunities to be the best mother she can be. You hang in
there, too. You are a very caring person and probably a target because
of that.

Karen


Thanks Karen, I would love nothing more than for them both to get thier
heads
outta their butts, and do what is right for the baby. I can only respond
to
what I see from each of them , I have seen my daughter struggling while he
runs
around in his 2000 car with light effects and a stereo system you can hear
down
the block with his friends and girlfriends( three) since the breakup,
while
claiming he can not afford to buy shoes for his child? He bailed and left
her
holding all the emotional and financial support of this baby. It is what
happens most of the time with teenage boys that make babies, He is just a
heat
seeking missile and my daughter got burnt.


Bev that is the most sexist thing I have heard in sometime. You should be
ashamed of yourself for putting all the blame on the boy for the pregnancy!


Tiff holy macaroni ! I didn't mean that that is for sure .As a matter of fact
"THEY" got pregnant on purpose remember ? I have never felt this pregnancy was
his fault alone and that is not what I said in this post ?


Your daughter should have been thinking of HERSELF and been on a form of
birthcontrol or insisted he use a condom. Yeah, yeah, I know nothing is 100%
percent and I just bet she used something and it didn't work. Regardless, it
is NOT just his fault. She had sex too.




I know ! If you read back I was ranting that HE is the one running around in
the 2000, all spruced up car, that he got after he left his daughter , and he
claims he can not afford 25 bucks a week to help my daughter financially suport
HIS child. As it has been he has a free babysitter huh ? I am not sexist , I am
the mother of a teen with a baby and you bet I am gonna be upset with this boys
actions concerning taking care of his child, that is what this thread was about
not who's fault the pregnancy happened? So what part of what I typed is giving
that impression that I am blaming him and a sexist?
Bev
T










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Old November 19th 04, 04:05 PM
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"CME" wrote in message
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"P.Fritz" wrote in message
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"Bebelestrnge0721" wrote in message
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Subject: For those that care to know
From: (Karen O'Mara)
Date: 11/18/2004 12:25 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

(Bebelestrnge0721) wrote in message
...
My daughter has mantained residential custody of her baby.The judge
refused
the
emergency petition for the father to take the baby from our home. My
daughter
has admitted to the judge she has made bad choices and mistakes since
the
father left her, and admits he has continually emotionally abused her
,
adding
to the severity of her mental and emotional health, and that she has
never
and
will never do anything to hurt her child . Our behavioral therapist
supported
her in court, that she has been working with our family for three
years and
our
home is a safe nurturing environment for the baby. As I have known in
my
heart
to be the truth as well. There will still be a custody conference
(arbitration
hearing) in mid January.Hopfully My daughter and her ex can agree upon
something that works for the both of them at that time. Meanwhile my
granddaughter slept snug as a bug in her nursery last night ! I am
happy
that
this has helped reasure my daughter that she is not a bad mom and that
she
can
and will be o.k. Thank you to everyone that listened and showed
support to
our
family. Bev

Keep us posted. I have been thinking about you. I hope the father of
the baby will remain sincere and help out and I hope your daughter
seizes the opportunities to be the best mother she can be. You hang in
there, too. You are a very caring person and probably a target because
of that.

Karen


Thanks Karen, I would love nothing more than for them both to get thier
heads
outta their butts, and do what is right for the baby. I can only respond
to
what I see from each of them , I have seen my daughter struggling while
he runs
around in his 2000 car with light effects and a stereo system you can
hear down
the block with his friends and girlfriends( three) since the breakup,
while
claiming he can not afford to buy shoes for his child? He bailed and
left her
holding all the emotional and financial support of this baby. It is what
happens most of the time with teenage boys that make babies, He is just
a heat
seeking missile and my daughter got burnt.


Teen boys do not make babies........teen girls do. Teen girls have the
AAA (abort, abandon, adopt) choices WRT prgancy...teen boys do not. The
teen mother should be responsible for the consequences of her sole and
uniltaeral choices.

Your misandrist BS shows through all to clearly.


I'm afraid I have to disagree with you Paul, it takes 2 to make a baby and
he's just as responsible. Fact of the matter is, she chose to have the
baby yes, but he's still liable for the consequences for having
unprotected sex with her.


Actually no, it only takes one person's sole and unilateral choice to make a
baby..(it does take two to concieve) But in today's world.....the woman has
the sole choice wrt whether a child is born or not, and further has the sole
choice to abandon or adopt out the child if it is born. Woman should be
responsible for the results of their sole and unilateral choices.

(Get rid of the AAA choices for women and I would agree with you)



Christine



  #13  
Old November 19th 04, 04:07 PM
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"Tiffany" wrote in message
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"Bebelestrnge0721" wrote in message
...
Subject: For those that care to know
From: (Karen O'Mara)
Date: 11/18/2004 12:25 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

(Bebelestrnge0721) wrote in message
...
My daughter has mantained residential custody of her baby.The judge
refused
the
emergency petition for the father to take the baby from our home. My
daughter
has admitted to the judge she has made bad choices and mistakes since
the
father left her, and admits he has continually emotionally abused her ,
adding
to the severity of her mental and emotional health, and that she has
never
and
will never do anything to hurt her child . Our behavioral therapist
supported
her in court, that she has been working with our family for three years
and
our
home is a safe nurturing environment for the baby. As I have known in
my
heart
to be the truth as well. There will still be a custody conference
(arbitration
hearing) in mid January.Hopfully My daughter and her ex can agree upon
something that works for the both of them at that time. Meanwhile my
granddaughter slept snug as a bug in her nursery last night ! I am
happy
that
this has helped reasure my daughter that she is not a bad mom and that
she
can
and will be o.k. Thank you to everyone that listened and showed support
to
our
family. Bev

Keep us posted. I have been thinking about you. I hope the father of
the baby will remain sincere and help out and I hope your daughter
seizes the opportunities to be the best mother she can be. You hang in
there, too. You are a very caring person and probably a target because
of that.

Karen


Thanks Karen, I would love nothing more than for them both to get thier
heads
outta their butts, and do what is right for the baby. I can only respond
to
what I see from each of them , I have seen my daughter struggling while
he runs
around in his 2000 car with light effects and a stereo system you can
hear down
the block with his friends and girlfriends( three) since the breakup,
while
claiming he can not afford to buy shoes for his child? He bailed and left
her
holding all the emotional and financial support of this baby. It is what
happens most of the time with teenage boys that make babies, He is just a
heat
seeking missile and my daughter got burnt.


Bev that is the most sexist thing I have heard in sometime. You should be
ashamed of yourself for putting all the blame on the boy for the
pregnancy! Your daughter should have been thinking of HERSELF and been on
a form of birthcontrol or insisted he use a condom. Yeah, yeah, I know
nothing is 100% percent and I just bet she used something and it didn't
work. Regardless, it is NOT just his fault. She had sex too.


It is not sexist.....it is misandry



T



  #14  
Old November 19th 04, 04:11 PM
Tiffany
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"Bebelestrnge0721" wrote in message
...
Subject: For those that care to know
From: "Tiffany"
Date: 11/18/2004 8:50 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:


"Bebelestrnge0721" wrote in message
...
Subject: For those that care to know
From:
(Karen O'Mara)
Date: 11/18/2004 12:25 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

(Bebelestrnge0721) wrote in message
...
My daughter has mantained residential custody of her baby.The judge
refused
the
emergency petition for the father to take the baby from our home. My
daughter
has admitted to the judge she has made bad choices and mistakes since
the
father left her, and admits he has continually emotionally abused her
,
adding
to the severity of her mental and emotional health, and that she has
never
and
will never do anything to hurt her child . Our behavioral therapist
supported
her in court, that she has been working with our family for three
years
and
our
home is a safe nurturing environment for the baby. As I have known in
my
heart
to be the truth as well. There will still be a custody conference
(arbitration
hearing) in mid January.Hopfully My daughter and her ex can agree upon
something that works for the both of them at that time. Meanwhile my
granddaughter slept snug as a bug in her nursery last night ! I am
happy
that
this has helped reasure my daughter that she is not a bad mom and that
she
can
and will be o.k. Thank you to everyone that listened and showed
support
to
our
family. Bev

Keep us posted. I have been thinking about you. I hope the father of
the baby will remain sincere and help out and I hope your daughter
seizes the opportunities to be the best mother she can be. You hang in
there, too. You are a very caring person and probably a target because
of that.

Karen


Thanks Karen, I would love nothing more than for them both to get thier
heads
outta their butts, and do what is right for the baby. I can only respond
to
what I see from each of them , I have seen my daughter struggling while
he
runs
around in his 2000 car with light effects and a stereo system you can
hear
down
the block with his friends and girlfriends( three) since the breakup,
while
claiming he can not afford to buy shoes for his child? He bailed and
left
her
holding all the emotional and financial support of this baby. It is what
happens most of the time with teenage boys that make babies, He is just
a
heat
seeking missile and my daughter got burnt.


Bev that is the most sexist thing I have heard in sometime. You should be
ashamed of yourself for putting all the blame on the boy for the
pregnancy!


Tiff holy macaroni ! I didn't mean that that is for sure .As a matter of
fact
"THEY" got pregnant on purpose remember ? I have never felt this pregnancy
was
his fault alone and that is not what I said in this post ?


Your daughter should have been thinking of HERSELF and been on a form of
birthcontrol or insisted he use a condom. Yeah, yeah, I know nothing is
100%
percent and I just bet she used something and it didn't work. Regardless,
it
is NOT just his fault. She had sex too.




I know ! If you read back I was ranting that HE is the one running around
in
the 2000, all spruced up car, that he got after he left his daughter , and
he
claims he can not afford 25 bucks a week to help my daughter financially
suport
HIS child. As it has been he has a free babysitter huh ? I am not sexist ,
I am
the mother of a teen with a baby and you bet I am gonna be upset with this
boys
actions concerning taking care of his child, that is what this thread was
about
not who's fault the pregnancy happened? So what part of what I typed is
giving
that impression that I am blaming him and a sexist?
Bev
T






"He bailed and left her holding all the emotional and financial support of
this baby. It is what
happens most of the time with teenage boys that make babies, He is just a
heat seeking missile and my daughter got burnt."

First off...... maybe he was treated wrongly and left the situation to end
that. Sounds to me no matter what you say, you have issues with this boy and
probably did from the start. See, we don't have his side of the story but
that sentence is a good indication of how you feel about 'teenage boys'.
Did your daughter ever sit back and think about why he left her? Maybe as
she matures, she will.

Second, a lot of teenage mothers bail too. They push the baby off on
Grandma's.

T


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Old November 19th 04, 04:41 PM
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Hi, this is the Nazi coming out of lurking simply to say to Paul..

..But in today's world.....the woman has
the sole choice wrt whether a child is born or not, and further has the sole
choice to abandon or adopt out the child if it is born.


Yea, but that's no secret and men know this and so if they are stupid enough
to have sex with a woman whose character they don't know or trust and give over
their power in that way....I guess they get what they choose too.

Sorry, no sympathy for either men or women who choose to take a chance to make
babies with partners who cannot be trusted to stick around and make a home for
the child. Only sympathy for the children.

I'll be going back to my Nazi church now.

Joelle
The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page - St
Augustine
Joelle
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Old November 19th 04, 05:27 PM
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"Joelle" wrote in message
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Hi, this is the Nazi coming out of lurking simply to say to Paul..

.But in today's world.....the woman has
the sole choice wrt whether a child is born or not, and further has the
sole
choice to abandon or adopt out the child if it is born.


Yea, but that's no secret and men know this and so if they are stupid
enough
to have sex with a woman whose character they don't know or trust and give
over
their power in that way....I guess they get what they choose too.


In the current legal climate........I agree.



Sorry, no sympathy for either men or women who choose to take a chance to
make
babies with partners who cannot be trusted to stick around and make a home
for
the child. Only sympathy for the children.


Same here.....I was just speaking from my own moral / ethical viewpoint.
I would be all in favro of eliminating the AAA options, and making both
parents equally responsible.


I'll be going back to my Nazi church now.


Guess I missed the Nazi part..........


Joelle
The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page - St
Augustine
Joelle



  #17  
Old November 19th 04, 06:58 PM
Karen O'Mara
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"P.Fritz" wrote in message ...
Teen boys do not make babies........teen girls do. Teen girls have the AAA
(abort, abandon, adopt) choices WRT prgancy...teen boys do not. The teen
mother should be responsible for the consequences of her sole and uniltaeral
choices.

Your misandrist BS shows through all to clearly.


Boys who are old enough to impregnate a girl are old enough to use
condoms, say no to sex, or step up to the plate of responsibility when
his girl becomes pregnant.

Karen
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Old November 19th 04, 07:33 PM
P.Fritz
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"Karen O'Mara" wrote in message
om...
"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...
Teen boys do not make babies........teen girls do. Teen girls have the
AAA
(abort, abandon, adopt) choices WRT prgancy...teen boys do not. The teen
mother should be responsible for the consequences of her sole and
uniltaeral
choices.

Your misandrist BS shows through all to clearly.


Boys who are old enough to impregnate a girl are old enough to use
condoms, say no to sex, or step up to the plate of responsibility when
his girl becomes pregnant.

Karen


Whoosh......that is the point passing far over your head.........conception
does NOT equal birth


 




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