Cops: Fla. Woman Kept 9 Handcuffed At Home,5 Foster Children, 4 AdultsWere Malnourished And Handcuffed Together, Police Say...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=judith+leekin+DCF

The state Department of Children and Families has custody of the
children and adults. DCF apparently investigated "similar allegations
for the same children" in 1999, but Leekin left to avoid the probe and
the case was closed, court records show.

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2007/jul/...faces-abuse-c/

PSL woman abused, profited off children, according to police
By Will Greenlee Friday, July 20, 2007

Video: News conference discussing the details of the arrest of Judith
Leekin. Video: Neighbors talk about what it was like living next to an
alleged child abuser.

Photo by Eric Hasert
Photo of Judith Leekin
http://media.tcpalm.com/tcp/content/...eekin_t220.jpg

This house on Hawthorne Circle in Port St. Lucie is the location of
alleged child abuse involving foster children.

View the arrest warrant for Judith Leekin on three charges
http://web.tcpalm.com/2007/07/19/0719leekinwarrant1.pdf

View the arrest warrant for Judith Leekin on two charges
http://web.tcpalm.com/2007/07/19/0719leekinwarrant2.pdf


PORT ST. LUCIE - The 62-year-old woman used plastic ties and handcuffs
to control the nine children and adults, some with special needs.

Malnourished, at least one person was starving to death while another
was "abandoned" two weeks ago at a Publix in St. Petersburg.

Police on Thursday said they suspect Judith Leekin, of the 100 block
of Southwest Hawthorne Circle, kept the people for profit.

"The manner in which the person that we're looking at, their
lifestyle, the properties that they own, the only source of income
that we can attribute this to would be any income that was coming as a
result of caring for these people," Capt. Scott Bartal said.

Leekin faces five counts of aggravated child abuse and single counts
of tampering with a witness and possession of a fictitious
identification after an 18-year-old woman told investigators her
"adoptive mother" left her July 4 at a Publix in St. Petersburg.

Police tracked Leekin down to a second home in Sanford and found four
children and four "adult" adoptees. She turned herself in to police at
the St. Lucie County jail Thursday.

Leekin reportedly took the 18-year-old to St. Petersburg "under the
guise of going to Busch Gardens," court records show. She was sent
inside to make some purchases, but Leekin was gone when she came out.

She told investigators she'd lived with Leekin since she was 5 years
old in several apartments and houses but "wasn't allowed to go outside
for any reason," court records show.

She also hadn't been to a doctor, dentist or school, and since she was
15, often wore "zipties" around her wrists. When Leekin left, the
zipties would be bound by another tie and then "ziptied to another
person," according to records. Investigators found zipties and
handcuffs in a candy bowl in Leekin's five-bedroom home. The home
contained surveillance equipment, allegedly so she could see if state
and law enforcement officials were at the door.

The 18-year-old said she slept on the tile floor of a small hallway
with at least eight other "adoptive brothers and sisters." There were
no blankets and when cold, they "dealt with it." The hallway had three
access doors that locked from the outside with deadbolt locks.

Leekin routinely threatened the woman's life and said she'd "shoot or
cut off her head and someone else would bury her where she would never
be found," court records show.

Bartal said a birth certificate helped point the investigation to New
York, where Leekin is thought to have lived. He also said several
counterfeit documents were recovered. The FBI is helping in the case,
but a spokesperson there could not be reached late Thursday.

"There were some very serious questions as to the names of the
individuals in the house and just how they arrived to be there,"
Bartal said. "Birth certificates were counterfeit involving some of
these individuals, and we're still trying to learn their true
identity."

Police also aren't entirely positive of Leekin's identity. She has at
least two driver licenses with different names and Social Security
numbers. One indicates Venezuela is her country of origin and the
other Trinidad and Tobago.

The state Department of Children and Families has custody of the
children and adults. DCF apparently investigated "similar allegations
for the same children" in 1999, but Leekin left to avoid the probe and
the case was closed, court records show.

Lorrene Egan, District 15 operations manager with DCF, declined to
discuss that case.

"This is just a very sad, sad situation," she said. "Thank God
somebody made the phone call."

Bartal said other than that incident, Leekin wasn't known to the DCF
for receiving subsidies from the state. Police are investigating
whether she's getting funds from New York.

The case still is posing questions to investigators and is continuing.

"Did they get here of their own free will, and if they did, what were
the circumstances that were presented to whoever turned them over to
this lady?" Bartal said. "What did she tell these people? We're
talking about nine people coming into control of this one person. How
did that happen?"

Bartal declined to detail what kind of statements the victims gave
police.

Leekin was held Thursday in the St. Lucie County jail on $435,000
bail, a jail official said.

THE ABUSE

A state child protection team that evaluates alleged child abuse cases
to help law enforcement and social services agencies conducted medical
exams and forensic interviews on the four children. Among the
documented findings on one or more of the children a

Ligature marks on wrist

Scars on back, possibly inflicted

Burns on lower legs

Academically delayed (second-, third- and fourth-grade level)

Severe dental problems

Medically fragile, can't stand up straight

Eye problems

Not on growth charts for height or weight

Findings positive for physical abuse and neglect

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:21:45 -0700, Greegor
wrote:

So, Greg, what clever claims, like the requirement that CPS be perfect
in its all seeing wisdom, like no other organization, group, or people
on this planet, so are remiss and responsible solely for this horror
show?

Come on, time's a wastin', boy


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=judith+leekin+DCF

The state Department of Children and Families has custody of the
children and adults. DCF apparently investigated "similar allegations
for the same children" in 1999, but Leekin left to avoid the probe and
the case was closed, court records show.

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2007/jul/...faces-abuse-c/

PSL woman abused, profited off children, according to police
By Will Greenlee Friday, July 20, 2007

Video: News conference discussing the details of the arrest of Judith
Leekin. Video: Neighbors talk about what it was like living next to an
alleged child abuser.

Photo by Eric Hasert
Photo of Judith Leekin
http://media.tcpalm.com/tcp/content/...eekin_t220.jpg

This house on Hawthorne Circle in Port St. Lucie is the location of
alleged child abuse involving foster children.

View the arrest warrant for Judith Leekin on three charges
http://web.tcpalm.com/2007/07/19/0719leekinwarrant1.pdf

View the arrest warrant for Judith Leekin on two charges
http://web.tcpalm.com/2007/07/19/0719leekinwarrant2.pdf


PORT ST. LUCIE - The 62-year-old woman used plastic ties and handcuffs
to control the nine children and adults, some with special needs.

Malnourished, at least one person was starving to death while another
was "abandoned" two weeks ago at a Publix in St. Petersburg.

Police on Thursday said they suspect Judith Leekin, of the 100 block
of Southwest Hawthorne Circle, kept the people for profit.

"The manner in which the person that we're looking at, their
lifestyle, the properties that they own, the only source of income
that we can attribute this to would be any income that was coming as a
result of caring for these people," Capt. Scott Bartal said.

Leekin faces five counts of aggravated child abuse and single counts
of tampering with a witness and possession of a fictitious
identification after an 18-year-old woman told investigators her
"adoptive mother" left her July 4 at a Publix in St. Petersburg.

Police tracked Leekin down to a second home in Sanford and found four
children and four "adult" adoptees. She turned herself in to police at
the St. Lucie County jail Thursday.

Leekin reportedly took the 18-year-old to St. Petersburg "under the
guise of going to Busch Gardens," court records show. She was sent
inside to make some purchases, but Leekin was gone when she came out.

She told investigators she'd lived with Leekin since she was 5 years
old in several apartments and houses but "wasn't allowed to go outside
for any reason," court records show.

She also hadn't been to a doctor, dentist or school, and since she was
15, often wore "zipties" around her wrists. When Leekin left, the
zipties would be bound by another tie and then "ziptied to another
person," according to records. Investigators found zipties and
handcuffs in a candy bowl in Leekin's five-bedroom home. The home
contained surveillance equipment, allegedly so she could see if state
and law enforcement officials were at the door.

The 18-year-old said she slept on the tile floor of a small hallway
with at least eight other "adoptive brothers and sisters." There were
no blankets and when cold, they "dealt with it." The hallway had three
access doors that locked from the outside with deadbolt locks.

Leekin routinely threatened the woman's life and said she'd "shoot or
cut off her head and someone else would bury her where she would never
be found," court records show.

Bartal said a birth certificate helped point the investigation to New
York, where Leekin is thought to have lived. He also said several
counterfeit documents were recovered. The FBI is helping in the case,
but a spokesperson there could not be reached late Thursday.

"There were some very serious questions as to the names of the
individuals in the house and just how they arrived to be there,"
Bartal said. "Birth certificates were counterfeit involving some of
these individuals, and we're still trying to learn their true
identity."

Police also aren't entirely positive of Leekin's identity. She has at
least two driver licenses with different names and Social Security
numbers. One indicates Venezuela is her country of origin and the
other Trinidad and Tobago.

The state Department of Children and Families has custody of the
children and adults. DCF apparently investigated "similar allegations
for the same children" in 1999, but Leekin left to avoid the probe and
the case was closed, court records show.

Lorrene Egan, District 15 operations manager with DCF, declined to
discuss that case.

"This is just a very sad, sad situation," she said. "Thank God
somebody made the phone call."

Bartal said other than that incident, Leekin wasn't known to the DCF
for receiving subsidies from the state. Police are investigating
whether she's getting funds from New York.

The case still is posing questions to investigators and is continuing.

"Did they get here of their own free will, and if they did, what were
the circumstances that were presented to whoever turned them over to
this lady?" Bartal said. "What did she tell these people? We're
talking about nine people coming into control of this one person. How
did that happen?"

Bartal declined to detail what kind of statements the victims gave
police.

Leekin was held Thursday in the St. Lucie County jail on $435,000
bail, a jail official said.

THE ABUSE

A state child protection team that evaluates alleged child abuse cases
to help law enforcement and social services agencies conducted medical
exams and forensic interviews on the four children. Among the
documented findings on one or more of the children a

Ligature marks on wrist

Scars on back, possibly inflicted

Burns on lower legs

Academically delayed (second-, third- and fourth-grade level)

Severe dental problems

Medically fragile, can't stand up straight

Eye problems

Not on growth charts for height or weight

Findings positive for physical abuse and neglect

On Jul 25, 1:21 pm, Greegor wrote:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=judith+leekin+DCF

The state Department of Children and Families has custody of the
children and adults. DCF apparently investigated "similar allegations
for the same children" in 1999, but Leekin left to avoid the probe and
the case was closed, court records show.

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2007/jul/...red-several-ch...

PSL woman abused, profited off children, according to police
By Will Greenlee Friday, July 20, 2007

Video: News conference discussing the details of the arrest of Judith
Leekin. Video: Neighbors talk about what it was like living next to an
alleged child abuser.

Photo by Eric Hasert
Photo of Judith Leekin
http://www.digitaljournal.com/images...ge3080036g.jpg

This house on Hawthorne Circle in Port St. Lucie is the location of
alleged child abuse involving foster children.

View the arrest warrant for Judith Leekin on three charges
http://web.tcpalm.com/2007/07/19/0719leekinwarrant1.pdf

View the arrest warrant for Judith Leekin on two charges
http://web.tcpalm.com/2007/07/19/0719leekinwarrant2.pdf

PORT ST. LUCIE - The 62-year-old woman used plastic ties and handcuffs
to control the nine children and adults, some with special needs.

Malnourished, at least one person was starving to death while another
was "abandoned" two weeks ago at a Publix in St. Petersburg.

Police on Thursday said they suspect Judith Leekin, of the 100 block
of Southwest Hawthorne Circle, kept the people for profit.

"The manner in which the person that we're looking at, their
lifestyle, the properties that they own, the only source of income
that we can attribute this to would be any income that was coming as a
result of caring for these people," Capt. Scott Bartal said.

Leekin faces five counts of aggravated child abuse and single counts
of tampering with a witness and possession of a fictitious
identification after an 18-year-old woman told investigators her
"adoptive mother" left her July 4 at a Publix in St. Petersburg.

Police tracked Leekin down to a second home in Sanford and found four
children and four "adult" adoptees. She turned herself in to police at
the St. Lucie County jail Thursday.

Leekin reportedly took the 18-year-old to St. Petersburg "under the
guise of going to Busch Gardens," court records show. She was sent
inside to make some purchases, but Leekin was gone when she came out.

She told investigators she'd lived with Leekin since she was 5 years
old in several apartments and houses but "wasn't allowed to go outside
for any reason," court records show.

She also hadn't been to a doctor, dentist or school, and since she was
15, often wore "zipties" around her wrists. When Leekin left, the
zipties would be bound by another tie and then "ziptied to another
person," according to records. Investigators found zipties and
handcuffs in a candy bowl in Leekin's five-bedroom home. The home
contained surveillance equipment, allegedly so she could see if state
and law enforcement officials were at the door.

The 18-year-old said she slept on the tile floor of a small hallway
with at least eight other "adoptive brothers and sisters." There were
no blankets and when cold, they "dealt with it." The hallway had three
access doors that locked from the outside with deadbolt locks.

Leekin routinely threatened the woman's life and said she'd "shoot or
cut off her head and someone else would bury her where she would never
be found," court records show.

Bartal said a birth certificate helped point the investigation to New
York, where Leekin is thought to have lived. He also said several
counterfeit documents were recovered. The FBI is helping in the case,
but a spokesperson there could not be reached late Thursday.

"There were some very serious questions as to the names of the
individuals in the house and just how they arrived to be there,"
Bartal said. "Birth certificates were counterfeit involving some of
these individuals, and we're still trying to learn their true
identity."

Police also aren't entirely positive of Leekin's identity. She has at
least two driver licenses with different names and Social Security
numbers. One indicates Venezuela is her country of origin and the
other Trinidad and Tobago.

The state Department of Children and Families has custody of the
children and adults. DCF apparently investigated "similar allegations
for the same children" in 1999, but Leekin left to avoid the probe and
the case was closed, court records show.

Lorrene Egan, District 15 operations manager with DCF, declined to
discuss that case.

"This is just a very sad, sad situation," she said. "Thank God
somebody made the phone call."

Bartal said other than that incident, Leekin wasn't known to the DCF
for receiving subsidies from the state. Police are investigating
whether she's getting funds from New York.

The case still is posing questions to investigators and is continuing.

"Did they get here of their own free will, and if they did, what were
the circumstances that were presented to whoever turned them over to
this lady?" Bartal said. "What did she tell these people? We're
talking about nine people coming into control of this one person. How
did that happen?"

Bartal declined to detail what kind of statements the victims gave
police.

Leekin was held Thursday in the St. Lucie County jail on $435,000
bail, a jail official said.

THE ABUSE

A state child protection team that evaluates alleged child abuse cases
to help law enforcement and social services agencies conducted medical
exams and forensic interviews on the four children. Among the
documented findings on one or more of the children a

Ligature marks on wrist

Scars on back, possibly inflicted

Burns on lower legs

Academically delayed (second-, third- and fourth-grade level)

Severe dental problems

Medically fragile, can't stand up straight

Eye problems

Not on growth charts for height or weight

Findings positive for physical abuse and neglect




http://tcpalm.com/news/2007/jul/20/p...ords-it-unrav/
Answers in abuse case sought in N.Y.
By Will Greenlee (Contact)
Originally published 11:43 a.m., July 20, 2007
Updated 05:09 p.m., July 20, 2007
PORT ST. LUCIE - As Judith Leekin sat in St. Lucie County jail
Friday, police asked a judge in New York to unseal court records that
apparently detail how the 62-year-old woman got custody of nine
people, at least some of whom were malnourished and had been bound
with plastic ties in her five-bedroom home.

Leekin, of 114 S.W. Hawthorne Circle, was arrested Wednesday on
charges including five counts of aggravated child abuse after an 18-
year-old woman told investigators her "adoptive mother" left her at a
Publix in St. Petersburg on July 4.

Leekin is thought to have received custody of the nine people in
Brooklyn, N.Y., police spokesman Chuck Johnson said. At least one of
the children was described as starving, and one told a horrific tale
of being restrained and made to sleep on the tile floor of a small
hallway with at least eight other "adoptive brothers and sisters."

"We know this whole thing starts in New York City," Johnson said.

Capt. Scott Bartal said Leekin may have used other names to adopt the
people, some of whom are adults with special needs. Investigators also
suspect she took custody of the people to collect money for their
upbringing, but used the cash to support her lifestyle. Her local home
was valued last year at $358,500, and another she owns in Sanford is
worth about $242,000, online property records show.

"On the surface it appears that it was for financial gain," Bartal
said. "We're dealing with false documents and people that just aren't
able to tell us all that they may know."

Some of the documents police hope to get unsealed include birth
certificates and reports of what case workers did in terms of placing
the children.

"Were they adopted? Are they foster children?" Bartal said. "If so,
the ones that we have, what are their names and are they the same ones
that are in the New York records?

"It's going to take a long time to sort all of this through, and
positive identification is going to be one of our biggest problems,"
Bartal said.

Meanwhile, the FBI is actively looking at the case to see if there's a
federal crime, Special Agent Ricardo J. Enriquez said.

"They're trying to see if there's any federal law that has been
violated - for example, violation of civil rights laws," he said.

Leekin's son, who lives in an apartment complex off St. Lucie West
Boulevard, would not comment Friday.

Eight years ago, Leekin got into a heated dispute with another woman
who was living with her, Claudette Jackson, now 44, that spurred a
year of legal battles.

Leekin appeared at the courthouse in January 1999 to file a domestic
violence injunction against Jackson, claiming Jackson punched and
slapped her, scratched her chest and pushed her. Jackson was arrested
in October 1998 on a misdemeanor battery charge, but it was dropped
about a month later.

The night before she asked for the injunction, Leekin claimed Jackson
put her two "nephews" out of their room and threw their things down a
staircase. "I was afraid for my life for the hundredth time," Leekin
wrote.

In a later court petition, Jackson wrote, "Judith does not work. She
has over 10 children between the ages of 6 and 17 years of age. They
were adopted in AKA names only 2 go to school."

Jackson said Leekin got money for the children from New York and had a
savings account with $50,000 in it.

Also in 1999, someone called the Florida Department of Children &
Families to report Leekin for alleged child abuse, though the case
apparently was closed. Because that case is included in the current
investigation, a spokeswoman said Friday the records are confidential.

She said the nine people would be taken care of "physically and
psychologically," but declined to say where they'd be housed or who'd
care for them.

The Administration for Children's Services, which oversees child
welfare in New York, also is cooperating with the police
investigation, press secretary Sheila Stainback said in an e-mail.

Staff writers Alexi Howk and Derek Simmonsen and researcher Karen
Bayha contributed to this report.

Judith Leekin has used names including Judith S. Johnson, Judith Lee-
kin-de Johnson, Michelle Wells and Eastlyn J. Giraud, Port St. Lucie
police spokesman Chuck Johnson said.

Police believe Leekin came to the United States from Trinidad and
Tobago in 1962 and became a U.S. citizen in 1995.





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Do You Know This Woman? Arrested for the Abuse of 9 People In Her Care
Posted Jul 22, 2007

Judtih Leekin, Port St. Lucie police photo
http://www.digitaljournal.com/images...ge3080036g.jpg

Nine children and mentally disabled adults left in handcuffs and zip
ties.
Malnourished and their true identities are unknown at this time. They
have been rescued mainly due to a young woman found wondering after
being abandoned by her adoptive mother.

Abandoned at a Publix store in St. Petersburg, Fl. July 4, 2007, 3
hours away from her home in Port St. Lucie, FL. this woman's story
leads police on a long road of discovery.

After this young woman was found the police were called. She was taken
to a St. Vincent DePaul Shelter and a DCF investigation into her
claims was started.

Two DCF investigators, Lemaster and Olaleye, were initially put on the
case as it involved both children and adults possibly as victims of
abuse.

The young woman told of being with "Judith" (her adoptive mother)
since she was 5 years-old living in different places and never being
allowed to go outside. She stated she had never seen a doctor and had
never been to school.

At the approximate age of 15 she tells of zip ties being placed on her
wrists and left on almost daily. If "Judith" left the home she would
then be connected to another one of her "brothers or sisters" via a
second zip tie connecting them to keep them from wandering and in the
home. The young woman has scars on both wrists confirming her
statements. They would have to wet themselves rather than go to the
restroom as they had been told to sit until "Judith" would return.

According to her statement she and her brothers and sisters slept in a
small hallway on the floor on a sheet and a pillow they had no
blankets to cover themselves. She said threats against her life such
as getting shot or her head cut off were made against her regularly.

The police and DCF tried to made contact with Judith at her Port St.
Lucie home. After an unusually long wait "Judith" answered the door
and told them she lived in her home with only one son and that the
girl had left her home over a year ago. She denied everything the girl
had told investigators.

It was learned that in 1999 allegations had been made against "Judith"
and that she had fled the area to avoid a DCF investigation at that
time and for some (unknown at this time) reason that case had been
closed.

The police and DCF went back to the home to find out where these
people indeed were and to interview them check on their welfare. when
they arrived they found the home appeared abandoned with the shutters
closed and no one home.

Judith's five bedroom home in Port St. Lucie, Fl
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...house_t600.jpg

The police were concerned for the welfare of the children and mentally-
challenged adults that were supposed to be in "Judith's" care. They
entered the home (with a search warrant) and found what appeared a
home hurriedly abandoned. Pictures taken off the walls, closets open
with some clothing gone.

They found a small hallway in the home as it had been described to
them by the young woman. This small area had three doors, all were
locked from the outside and equipped with deadlocks so that anyone
inside would not be able to get out if the doors were locked unless
they had a key. Also inside this hallway were cabinets containing
clothing belonging to multiple persons, also confirming what they had
been told. Handcuffs, zip ties, pillows and a variety of paperwork
were found and taken as evidence.

The police then learned "Judith" had another home in Sanford, FL. The
Sanford police were contacted and asked to check the residence and to
see if the children and four adult adoptees were with her. The Sanford
police met with resistance when they arrived but eventually did manage
to get into the home and found four children and four adults. They
were all taken from the home and are currently temporary care.

The four children who were aged possibly between 14-17 did go through
medical examinations. (No names are being given due to their ages and
circumstances along with the fact that police are unsure of their
correct names at this time.)

TG a male aprox. 15 years old had ligatures on his wrists, scars on
his back, and was at an aprox. 3rd grade level.

TW a female aprox. 16 had burns on her lower legs, was at 3rd or 4th
grade level and was in the 25% for her height and weight for her age.

JG a male aprox. 15 had scars on his back, medically neglected and
scoliosis, has a stunted growth at the 7th percentile in his height
and 4th percentile of his weight class. He was found to be at a 2nd or
3rd grade level.

RE a male aprox. 16 was found to be medically fragile, could not stand
up straight and walked hunched over, he has vision and dental
problems. And he is not on the growth charts at all for his height and
weight. He is was also found to be illiterate.

The specific condition of the mentally-disabled adults is not being
reported at this time other than being malnourished and of being in
poor condition also.

This horrifying case gets even more twisted as the police find the
woman they believe to be 62 years old and going by the name "Judith
Leekin" has more than one social security number, two drivers licenses
under two different names with different countries of birth listed,
Venezuela and Tobago Trinidad. Other names she is known to have gone
by are Judith S. Johnson, Judith Leekin-de Johnson, Michelle Wells and
Eastlyn J. Giraud.

She had no known source of income and it is suspected at this time she
has supported her lifestyle by collecting money on the persons she was
supposed to be taking care of and raising but the police have been
unable to confirm this as they have found no evidence of her receiving
funds as of yet.

The document's the police took from her home included what appeared to
be birth certificates and other documents that supposedly identify the
children and adults but they the police have found they may be
forgeries. So at this time the true ages and names of all these people
in not known for sure at this point.

The young woman that this whole case started with was able to tell
police she had been adopted in New York City. The police have
contacted New York officials to get any documents unsealed such as
birth certificates and any reports from caseworkers that might shed
some light onto the situation.

Allegations made by a woman (eight years ago) that lived with "Judith"
eight years ago "Judith" does not work. She has over 10 children
between the ages of 6 and 17 years of age. They were adopted in AKA
names and only 2 go to school. The woman also claimed that "Judith"
got money for these children from New York."

So how does a 62 year-old woman control nine people? The medical
condition of the children tells some of her methods along with the
statements from the young woman of the threats she endured. Obviously
there are others involved in this as it was reported that a neighbor
saw "Judith" and others load up into two vehicles when she made her
run to Sanford. So who were these persons.

There are a lot of unanswered questions in this case and it will
probably be a long time sorting it all out but at least these children
and adults are no longer in the "care" of this woman and police, DCF
and the FBI are all involved in trying to sort it all out.

So far the charges this woman is being held on include 1 count of
tampering with a victim, 4 counts aggravated child abuse, 1 count
aggravated child abuse (the young woman) , unauthorized possession of,
and other unlawful acts in relation to, driver's license or
identification card.

"Judith Leekin" is being held at the St. Lucie County Jail at this
time after turning herself in, in lieu of $435,000 bail she is
considered a high flight risk and it was requested she get no bond at
this time.

Anyone with any information on this case please come forward and talk
to the police :

Port St. Lucie Police Department
121 SW Port St. Lucie Blvd.
Port St. Lucie Fl 34984
Voice: 772-871-5064

PDF files of the arrest warrents can be found here and here.

http://web.tcpalm.com/2007/07/19/0719leekinwarrant1.pdf
http://web.tcpalm.com/2007/07/19/0719leekinwarrant2.pdf

A video statement from the police can be viewed here.
http://multimedia.tcpalm.com/video/index.cfm?vid=1364

Other sources:
http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2007/jul/...faces-abuse-c/

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2007/jul/...ords-it-unrav/

Just can't help wishing CPS had more funding to hire more people to
have more time to supervise and check up on more placements to promote
a far better change of catching these kinds and or drive them off.

What do you think, Greg? A cut in funding would more likely improve
performance. Kick those caseloads up. Cut back on transportation.
Reduce the number of investigators.

My solution or yours.

Oh, wait. Sue them. That will be the ticket to instant improvement by
people already run ragged by double to triple the recommended
caseload, who do it year after year now with no letup.

How dare they leave. And look for better conditions of work elsewhere,
eh?

I think we ought to sue them for giving up, don't you?

They are violating our civil rights....or sumpthin'

Hyuk, hyuk.

Gimmee a third hyuk, little buddie.

0;]


On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:17:56 -0700, Greegor
wrote:

On Jul 25, 1:21 pm, Greegor wrote:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=judith+leekin+DCF

The state Department of Children and Families has custody of the
children and adults. DCF apparently investigated "similar allegations
for the same children" in 1999, but Leekin left to avoid the probe and
the case was closed, court records show.

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2007/jul/...red-several-ch...

PSL woman abused, profited off children, according to police
By Will Greenlee Friday, July 20, 2007

Video: News conference discussing the details of the arrest of Judith
Leekin. Video: Neighbors talk about what it was like living next to an
alleged child abuser.

Photo by Eric Hasert
Photo of Judith Leekin
http://www.digitaljournal.com/images...ge3080036g.jpg

This house on Hawthorne Circle in Port St. Lucie is the location of
alleged child abuse involving foster children.

View the arrest warrant for Judith Leekin on three charges
http://web.tcpalm.com/2007/07/19/0719leekinwarrant1.pdf

View the arrest warrant for Judith Leekin on two charges
http://web.tcpalm.com/2007/07/19/0719leekinwarrant2.pdf

PORT ST. LUCIE - The 62-year-old woman used plastic ties and handcuffs
to control the nine children and adults, some with special needs.

Malnourished, at least one person was starving to death while another
was "abandoned" two weeks ago at a Publix in St. Petersburg.

Police on Thursday said they suspect Judith Leekin, of the 100 block
of Southwest Hawthorne Circle, kept the people for profit.

"The manner in which the person that we're looking at, their
lifestyle, the properties that they own, the only source of income
that we can attribute this to would be any income that was coming as a
result of caring for these people," Capt. Scott Bartal said.

Leekin faces five counts of aggravated child abuse and single counts
of tampering with a witness and possession of a fictitious
identification after an 18-year-old woman told investigators her
"adoptive mother" left her July 4 at a Publix in St. Petersburg.

Police tracked Leekin down to a second home in Sanford and found four
children and four "adult" adoptees. She turned herself in to police at
the St. Lucie County jail Thursday.

Leekin reportedly took the 18-year-old to St. Petersburg "under the
guise of going to Busch Gardens," court records show. She was sent
inside to make some purchases, but Leekin was gone when she came out.

She told investigators she'd lived with Leekin since she was 5 years
old in several apartments and houses but "wasn't allowed to go outside
for any reason," court records show.

She also hadn't been to a doctor, dentist or school, and since she was
15, often wore "zipties" around her wrists. When Leekin left, the
zipties would be bound by another tie and then "ziptied to another
person," according to records. Investigators found zipties and
handcuffs in a candy bowl in Leekin's five-bedroom home. The home
contained surveillance equipment, allegedly so she could see if state
and law enforcement officials were at the door.

The 18-year-old said she slept on the tile floor of a small hallway
with at least eight other "adoptive brothers and sisters." There were
no blankets and when cold, they "dealt with it." The hallway had three
access doors that locked from the outside with deadbolt locks.

Leekin routinely threatened the woman's life and said she'd "shoot or
cut off her head and someone else would bury her where she would never
be found," court records show.

Bartal said a birth certificate helped point the investigation to New
York, where Leekin is thought to have lived. He also said several
counterfeit documents were recovered. The FBI is helping in the case,
but a spokesperson there could not be reached late Thursday.

"There were some very serious questions as to the names of the
individuals in the house and just how they arrived to be there,"
Bartal said. "Birth certificates were counterfeit involving some of
these individuals, and we're still trying to learn their true
identity."

Police also aren't entirely positive of Leekin's identity. She has at
least two driver licenses with different names and Social Security
numbers. One indicates Venezuela is her country of origin and the
other Trinidad and Tobago.

The state Department of Children and Families has custody of the
children and adults. DCF apparently investigated "similar allegations
for the same children" in 1999, but Leekin left to avoid the probe and
the case was closed, court records show.

Lorrene Egan, District 15 operations manager with DCF, declined to
discuss that case.

"This is just a very sad, sad situation," she said. "Thank God
somebody made the phone call."

Bartal said other than that incident, Leekin wasn't known to the DCF
for receiving subsidies from the state. Police are investigating
whether she's getting funds from New York.

The case still is posing questions to investigators and is continuing.

"Did they get here of their own free will, and if they did, what were
the circumstances that were presented to whoever turned them over to
this lady?" Bartal said. "What did she tell these people? We're
talking about nine people coming into control of this one person. How
did that happen?"

Bartal declined to detail what kind of statements the victims gave
police.

Leekin was held Thursday in the St. Lucie County jail on $435,000
bail, a jail official said.

THE ABUSE

A state child protection team that evaluates alleged child abuse cases
to help law enforcement and social services agencies conducted medical
exams and forensic interviews on the four children. Among the
documented findings on one or more of the children a

Ligature marks on wrist

Scars on back, possibly inflicted

Burns on lower legs

Academically delayed (second-, third- and fourth-grade level)

Severe dental problems

Medically fragile, can't stand up straight

Eye problems

Not on growth charts for height or weight

Findings positive for physical abuse and neglect




http://tcpalm.com/news/2007/jul/20/p...ords-it-unrav/
Answers in abuse case sought in N.Y.
By Will Greenlee (Contact)
Originally published 11:43 a.m., July 20, 2007
Updated 05:09 p.m., July 20, 2007
PORT ST. LUCIE - As Judith Leekin sat in St. Lucie County jail
Friday, police asked a judge in New York to unseal court records that
apparently detail how the 62-year-old woman got custody of nine
people, at least some of whom were malnourished and had been bound
with plastic ties in her five-bedroom home.

Leekin, of 114 S.W. Hawthorne Circle, was arrested Wednesday on
charges including five counts of aggravated child abuse after an 18-
year-old woman told investigators her "adoptive mother" left her at a
Publix in St. Petersburg on July 4.

Leekin is thought to have received custody of the nine people in
Brooklyn, N.Y., police spokesman Chuck Johnson said. At least one of
the children was described as starving, and one told a horrific tale
of being restrained and made to sleep on the tile floor of a small
hallway with at least eight other "adoptive brothers and sisters."

"We know this whole thing starts in New York City," Johnson said.

Capt. Scott Bartal said Leekin may have used other names to adopt the
people, some of whom are adults with special needs. Investigators also
suspect she took custody of the people to collect money for their
upbringing, but used the cash to support her lifestyle. Her local home
was valued last year at $358,500, and another she owns in Sanford is
worth about $242,000, online property records show.

"On the surface it appears that it was for financial gain," Bartal
said. "We're dealing with false documents and people that just aren't
able to tell us all that they may know."

Some of the documents police hope to get unsealed include birth
certificates and reports of what case workers did in terms of placing
the children.

"Were they adopted? Are they foster children?" Bartal said. "If so,
the ones that we have, what are their names and are they the same ones
that are in the New York records?

"It's going to take a long time to sort all of this through, and
positive identification is going to be one of our biggest problems,"
Bartal said.

Meanwhile, the FBI is actively looking at the case to see if there's a
federal crime, Special Agent Ricardo J. Enriquez said.

"They're trying to see if there's any federal law that has been
violated - for example, violation of civil rights laws," he said.

Leekin's son, who lives in an apartment complex off St. Lucie West
Boulevard, would not comment Friday.

Eight years ago, Leekin got into a heated dispute with another woman
who was living with her, Claudette Jackson, now 44, that spurred a
year of legal battles.

Leekin appeared at the courthouse in January 1999 to file a domestic
violence injunction against Jackson, claiming Jackson punched and
slapped her, scratched her chest and pushed her. Jackson was arrested
in October 1998 on a misdemeanor battery charge, but it was dropped
about a month later.

The night before she asked for the injunction, Leekin claimed Jackson
put her two "nephews" out of their room and threw their things down a
staircase. "I was afraid for my life for the hundredth time," Leekin
wrote.

In a later court petition, Jackson wrote, "Judith does not work. She
has over 10 children between the ages of 6 and 17 years of age. They
were adopted in AKA names only 2 go to school."

Jackson said Leekin got money for the children from New York and had a
savings account with $50,000 in it.

Also in 1999, someone called the Florida Department of Children &
Families to report Leekin for alleged child abuse, though the case
apparently was closed. Because that case is included in the current
investigation, a spokeswoman said Friday the records are confidential.

She said the nine people would be taken care of "physically and
psychologically," but declined to say where they'd be housed or who'd
care for them.

The Administration for Children's Services, which oversees child
welfare in New York, also is cooperating with the police
investigation, press secretary Sheila Stainback said in an e-mail.

Staff writers Alexi Howk and Derek Simmonsen and researcher Karen
Bayha contributed to this report.

Judith Leekin has used names including Judith S. Johnson, Judith Lee-
kin-de Johnson, Michelle Wells and Eastlyn J. Giraud, Port St. Lucie
police spokesman Chuck Johnson said.

Police believe Leekin came to the United States from Trinidad and
Tobago in 1962 and became a U.S. citizen in 1995.





http://www.digitaljournal.com/articl...le_In_Her_Care

Do You Know This Woman? Arrested for the Abuse of 9 People In Her Care
Posted Jul 22, 2007

Judtih Leekin, Port St. Lucie police photo
http://www.digitaljournal.com/images...ge3080036g.jpg

Nine children and mentally disabled adults left in handcuffs and zip
ties.
Malnourished and their true identities are unknown at this time. They
have been rescued mainly due to a young woman found wondering after
being abandoned by her adoptive mother.

Abandoned at a Publix store in St. Petersburg, Fl. July 4, 2007, 3
hours away from her home in Port St. Lucie, FL. this woman's story
leads police on a long road of discovery.

After this young woman was found the police were called. She was taken
to a St. Vincent DePaul Shelter and a DCF investigation into her
claims was started.

Two DCF investigators, Lemaster and Olaleye, were initially put on the
case as it involved both children and adults possibly as victims of
abuse.

The young woman told of being with "Judith" (her adoptive mother)
since she was 5 years-old living in different places and never being
allowed to go outside. She stated she had never seen a doctor and had
never been to school.

At the approximate age of 15 she tells of zip ties being placed on her
wrists and left on almost daily. If "Judith" left the home she would
then be connected to another one of her "brothers or sisters" via a
second zip tie connecting them to keep them from wandering and in the
home. The young woman has scars on both wrists confirming her
statements. They would have to wet themselves rather than go to the
restroom as they had been told to sit until "Judith" would return.

According to her statement she and her brothers and sisters slept in a
small hallway on the floor on a sheet and a pillow they had no
blankets to cover themselves. She said threats against her life such
as getting shot or her head cut off were made against her regularly.

The police and DCF tried to made contact with Judith at her Port St.
Lucie home. After an unusually long wait "Judith" answered the door
and told them she lived in her home with only one son and that the
girl had left her home over a year ago. She denied everything the girl
had told investigators.

It was learned that in 1999 allegations had been made against "Judith"
and that she had fled the area to avoid a DCF investigation at that
time and for some (unknown at this time) reason that case had been
closed.

The police and DCF went back to the home to find out where these
people indeed were and to interview them check on their welfare. when
they arrived they found the home appeared abandoned with the shutters
closed and no one home.

Judith's five bedroom home in Port St. Lucie, Fl
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...house_t600.jpg

The police were concerned for the welfare of the children and mentally-
challenged adults that were supposed to be in "Judith's" care. They
entered the home (with a search warrant) and found what appeared a
home hurriedly abandoned. Pictures taken off the walls, closets open
with some clothing gone.

They found a small hallway in the home as it had been described to
them by the young woman. This small area had three doors, all were
locked from the outside and equipped with deadlocks so that anyone
inside would not be able to get out if the doors were locked unless
they had a key. Also inside this hallway were cabinets containing
clothing belonging to multiple persons, also confirming what they had
been told. Handcuffs, zip ties, pillows and a variety of paperwork
were found and taken as evidence.

The police then learned "Judith" had another home in Sanford, FL. The
Sanford police were contacted and asked to check the residence and to
see if the children and four adult adoptees were with her. The Sanford
police met with resistance when they arrived but eventually did manage
to get into the home and found four children and four adults. They
were all taken from the home and are currently temporary care.

The four children who were aged possibly between 14-17 did go through
medical examinations. (No names are being given due to their ages and
circumstances along with the fact that police are unsure of their
correct names at this time.)

TG a male aprox. 15 years old had ligatures on his wrists, scars on
his back, and was at an aprox. 3rd grade level.

TW a female aprox. 16 had burns on her lower legs, was at 3rd or 4th
grade level and was in the 25% for her height and weight for her age.

JG a male aprox. 15 had scars on his back, medically neglected and
scoliosis, has a stunted growth at the 7th percentile in his height
and 4th percentile of his weight class. He was found to be at a 2nd or
3rd grade level.

RE a male aprox. 16 was found to be medically fragile, could not stand
up straight and walked hunched over, he has vision and dental
problems. And he is not on the growth charts at all for his height and
weight. He is was also found to be illiterate.

The specific condition of the mentally-disabled adults is not being
reported at this time other than being malnourished and of being in
poor condition also.

This horrifying case gets even more twisted as the police find the
woman they believe to be 62 years old and going by the name "Judith
Leekin" has more than one social security number, two drivers licenses
under two different names with different countries of birth listed,
Venezuela and Tobago Trinidad. Other names she is known to have gone
by are Judith S. Johnson, Judith Leekin-de Johnson, Michelle Wells and
Eastlyn J. Giraud.

She had no known source of income and it is suspected at this time she
has supported her lifestyle by collecting money on the persons she was
supposed to be taking care of and raising but the police have been
unable to confirm this as they have found no evidence of her receiving
funds as of yet.

The document's the police took from her home included what appeared to
be birth certificates and other documents that supposedly identify the
children and adults but they the police have found they may be
forgeries. So at this time the true ages and names of all these people
in not known for sure at this point.

The young woman that this whole case started with was able to tell
police she had been adopted in New York City. The police have
contacted New York officials to get any documents unsealed such as
birth certificates and any reports from caseworkers that might shed
some light onto the situation.

Allegations made by a woman (eight years ago) that lived with "Judith"
eight years ago "Judith" does not work. She has over 10 children
between the ages of 6 and 17 years of age. They were adopted in AKA
names and only 2 go to school. The woman also claimed that "Judith"
got money for these children from New York."

So how does a 62 year-old woman control nine people? The medical
condition of the children tells some of her methods along with the
statements from the young woman of the threats she endured. Obviously
there are others involved in this as it was reported that a neighbor
saw "Judith" and others load up into two vehicles when she made her
run to Sanford. So who were these persons.

There are a lot of unanswered questions in this case and it will
probably be a long time sorting it all out but at least these children
and adults are no longer in the "care" of this woman and police, DCF
and the FBI are all involved in trying to sort it all out.

So far the charges this woman is being held on include 1 count of
tampering with a victim, 4 counts aggravated child abuse, 1 count
aggravated child abuse (the young woman) , unauthorized possession of,
and other unlawful acts in relation to, driver's license or
identification card.

"Judith Leekin" is being held at the St. Lucie County Jail at this
time after turning herself in, in lieu of $435,000 bail she is
considered a high flight risk and it was requested she get no bond at
this time.

Anyone with any information on this case please come forward and talk
to the police :

Port St. Lucie Police Department
121 SW Port St. Lucie Blvd.
Port St. Lucie Fl 34984
Voice: 772-871-5064

PDF files of the arrest warrents can be found here and here.

http://web.tcpalm.com/2007/07/19/0719leekinwarrant1.pdf
http://web.tcpalm.com/2007/07/19/0719leekinwarrant2.pdf

A video statement from the police can be viewed here.
http://multimedia.tcpalm.com/video/index.cfm?vid=1364

Other sources:
http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2007/jul/...faces-abuse-c/

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2007/jul/...ords-it-unrav/

More money? How much are we paying now?
Are we getting a fair value for the current funding?

How much money did Judith Leekin get?

Are you trying to say that the agencies failed
to check up on somebody they put NINE PEOPLE with
because they just didn't have the money to check?

Why did they let go of the 1999 investigation
instead of getting LAW ENFORCEMENT involved?

Wouldn't that have been a reasonable circumstance
to ask for FBI help to locate these people?

Would the phone call have cost them too much? sarcasm

People who perform this poorly do NOT deserve more money.

Many of the children had false birth certificates, while
Leekin has used at least five aliases, police say.
Although she immigrated to the United States,
police say U.S. Immigration and Customs
Enforcement has no record of her name.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localne...ekin_0726.html

Kane, Do you think the agencies who placed these
9 people did ANY background check at all?

Foreign National but no record with INS?
Fake Birth Certificates?

I have heard nothing about any spouse.
How one person get NINE charges?

Did you see her upscale house?
Zip ties and cuffs were to keep the charges from
damaging the house she said.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localne...BUSE_0721.html

Woman, 18, tells investigators abuse began at age 5
By PAUL QUINLAN Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Saturday, July 21, 2007

PORT ST. LUCIE - The drive from Port St. Lucie ended in the parking
lot of a St. Petersburg Publix around 7:20 p.m. on the Fourth of July.
Nervous about where they were headed, 18-year-old Tracey Wells got out
to use the bathroom, as did the three others in the car: a man named
Tony, Wells' adoptive mother and her adoptive brother.

Tony was the last to see her. Inside the grocery store, he handed
Wells a $20 bill and a new wallet and told her to wait there. Moments
later, she looked outside. The car was gone.

Employees called the police, who took the lost woman to the St.
Vincent de Paul Society. Tracey Wells would go on to describe a life
of imprisonment and abuse that began at age 5 and horrified those who
heard it. She spoke of being handcuffed or zip-tied to her adoptive
siblings daily, of sleeping in a tile hallway with little more than a
sheet and a pillow, and of not being able to use the bathroom.

An investigation began that would come to involve three Florida police
departments, the Department of Children and Families and the FBI,
leading Wednesday to the arrest of a 62-year-old Port St. Lucie woman,
Judith Leekin.

Authorities say Leekin earned her living keeping Wells, along with
four developmentally disabled adults and four teenagers - found
starving and scarred - in her Port St. Lucie home and collecting
support on their behalf.

As Leekin sits in the St. Lucie County jail, held in lieu of $435,000
bail on five counts of aggravated child abuse and charges of false
identification and witness tampering, investigators are tracing leads
to New York, where they believe Leekin may have adopted the teens and
obtained false identification for them and herself.

On Friday, police said they have asked a circuit judge to unseal DCF
records that might help identify the children they believe Leekin
adopted under her various aliases.

DCF is evaluating the teens - who are in temporary care, as are the
adults - and are looking into the case. They would not comment on the
investigation or on why a 1999 complaint involving Leekin and the same
children went nowhere. Leekin left Port St. Lucie then to avoid the
investigation, and the case was closed, according to court records.

Vern Melvin, head of DCF District 15, said in general that cases could
be closed because investigators turn up either no evidence of abuse or
evidence that could be explained.

"What I'm suggesting here is there's some cases where it's not always
cut and dried," he said. "You make the investigation and you do the
best you can with the information that's available."

Neighbors say they noticed nothing to suggest that the friendly woman
next door abused the teens or adults in her care, some of whom they
occasionally spotted performing meticulous yard work in front of the
two-story pink house at 114 S.W. Hawthorne Circle.

Steven Fenster, 61, who lives two houses down, said Leekin brought him
some wind chimes as a gift when he moved to the neighborhood.
Skeptical of some of the allegations against her, he says she seemed
warm to him and had a nice smile. From his vantage point, he saw no
signs of abuse or neglect, he said, though he wondered how she could
afford her house, as she never seemed to go to work.

"It got to the point where I said, how much of this is real?" said
Fenster, a retired science teacher from New York's Bronx borough. "She
has a nice house. She says she owns other property. I didn't know
where the money was coming from."

Investigators found the four teenagers in the house days after Wells
was left at the St. Petersburg Publix, according to court records.
It's not clear where the adults were.

Nothing seemed unusual on the investigators' first visit, when Leekin
denied Wells' allegations and said the 18-year-old had left the home a
year earlier. But a follow-up visit later that day turned up the four
teenagers - ages 15 to 17 - hiding in an upstairs bedroom and a
surveillance system that Wells told investigators was used to alert
Leekin to the presence of police. They also found handcuffs and zip-
ties in a bowl, which Leekin said were used to keep them from damaging
the house, court records show.

When investigators later returned to take the teens away, the home was
shuttered and empty. Clothes had been pulled from closets with doors
left open and scuff marks left on the walls where pictures once hung.
Police caught up to Leekin, the kids and the adults at her second home
in Sanford, about 20 miles northeast of Orlando.

Medical and psychological exams revealed numerous problems with the
teens, who were "noticeably" undersized and underdeveloped, police
said. Some had scars on their backs and wrists, as well as burns on
their legs. One was deemed illiterate, while others had less than
fourth-grade educations.

The identities of all involved remain a mystery, investigators say.
Leekin herself has two Florida driver licenses, one listing Trinidad
and Tobago as her home country. The other lists Venezuela.

Police say Leekin has at least five aliases and that the documents
identifying the children are forgeries that may have originated in New
York, where Wells told investigators Leekin adopted her.

"This whole thing starts in New York City," Port St. Lucie police
spokesman Chuck Johnson said.

Leekin's Miami attorney, Mario Garcia Jr., has declined to comment on
the case, citing his own ongoing investigation into the allegations.

But retired neighbors of Leekin's, such as 62-year-old David Schlein,
say that if the children who Leekin kept in her home were subjected to
a life of abuse, she hid it well.

"They were real nice kids," Schlein said. "They were always just
working around the house."

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:20:01 -0700, Greegor
wrote:

More money? How much are we paying now?

Tell us.

Are we getting a fair value for the current funding?

Pencil it out.


How much money did Judith Leekin get?


Use your Windows provided calculator.

Are you trying to say that the agencies failed
to check up on somebody they put NINE PEOPLE with
because they just didn't have the money to check?

Yes. Exactly that.

Why did you ask me how much money was paid to HERE if the question
really was, "does CPS lack the money to fund the number of workers
that would have more likely freed up more workers to keep tabs on
cases that might turn out like this."

Why did they let go of the 1999 investigation
instead of getting LAW ENFORCEMENT involved?

Because workers are up to their eyeballs in ringing phones, demands
from the court they produce voluminous reports, supervisors collecting
data from them that has to be sorted out and specifically formatted to
provide exactly what a legislative budget oversight committee is
screaming for (and for the past three decades clerical staff has been
cut..and computers bought so the WORKERS had to do the work, little
Johnny, one of 87 children on a 39 family caseload, has set a fire,
pulled the refrigerator over on himself, smeared feces on the
neighbors car, and she better get out there right now before the cops
are called, and little Johnny is hauled away in handcuffs, ... and
that's before 10 am.

Just wait for the afternoon, when she's done with lunch, has to turn
the screeching phone back, on and wipes the crumbs from her croissant
from her desk.

Then, Greg, she'll remember, among the 412 other things she has to
decide from her prior days and the morning's work, to call the cops
because she THINKS, but has no proof, that something might be afoot
with this lady ... who has successfully hidden from her THE TOTAL
NUMBER OF PEOPLE SHE'S USING TO SCAM.

My bet is the lady has at least two revolving caseworkers going all
the time.

Or, Greg, YOU, not I, can assume that the workers had plenty of time
to hang out and jabber with her, as they picked up subtle clues that
there were nine victims....quietly holding their breaths...IN THE
OTHER HOUSE SHE OWNED WHERE SHE PUT THEM WHEN COMPANY FROM CPS AND DHS
CALLED.

Note, she had a video cam surveillance, and could simply NOT answer
the door, let the worker leave, run the victims to her other house,
and then answer the door with ONLY the current worker's charges in the
home...them carefully brainwashed to cover up for the nice lady.

I would think, that if I had detective training...which CPS workers do
not, that for a case like this, where we had only SUSPECTED there
MIGHT be a problem, I'd want about $250,000 a year for my skills.

So, Greg, YOU show us how CPS workers could have caught this very
clever lady, with the help she had (did you know about the adult
son?), the former roomie, or lover, or roomielover, and the incredible
funding to play with she had scammed, to buy the means to hide so
well?

YOU lay CPS worker for a moment since YOU are claiming they didn't do
their job...and YOU DO IT.

Step by step show us how you'd have caught this lady at any point in
her game.

After all, you are Greegor, the mastermind of detection. Right?

[[[ recover a prior line for clarity of Greg's question ]]]

Why did they let go of the 1999 investigation
instead of getting LAW ENFORCEMENT involved?

Wouldn't that have been a reasonable circumstance
to ask for FBI help to locate these people?

You mean letting go of the 1999 investigation?

You have to show me what they were investigating for, Greg. You can't
call the FBI for allegations someone has been spanked.

Mmmmm...and who was looking for them?

List the seekers.

Why would you think she couldn't produce any being looked for as she
wished to and did, if needed?

Look at the system and the mechanics of her scam, Greg.

And if you are referring to information from the news you listed..no I
didn't read it and am not going to. Quote directly to establish the
premise for your stupid questions.

Would the phone call have cost them too much? sarcasm

Yes, in fact. If they call on every such incidence of possible
problems they'd need to double their staff.

They don't just call the FBI and say "I think there is a problem.
Here's the address and name, go get'm Gman."

People who perform this poorly do NOT deserve more money.

You mean because whenever there is a suspicion they should go to the
FBI, and do a three hour interview...you don't think the FBI just
says, to the demand, "go get'm Gman," "okay, we'll collect the details
of the case from you if we find anything," do you?

You are so out of touch with the world and reality Greg you should
take your freak show on the road.

People who YOU just asked to do the impossible, Greg (The FBI would
hear that ONCE, Greg, and no CPS worker's calls would ever be taken
again...besides, they can't call the FBI and demand an investigation
of anything.

But cutting funding would fix it, as you say.

Now, if you don't mind, explain to me how that works.

In MY world of business I have resources: I have a production floor
with tools and materials; I have workers to turn those into my
product; I have people to sell the products (everything from salesmen
to shipping people, to advertising folks I pay for).

And I find that I am NOT turning a profit.

The logical Greegorian solution would be, of course, to cut the flow
of funding.

That will get production number up, and sales up. Yep, That's what
I'll do.

Along with that advice, Greg, don't you think it would nice to
include, for your consulting fee, a short list of really good, and
very cheap bankruptcy attorneys?

The child protection "Industry" cannot defy reality, Greg.

Only YOU can do that.

Offer your services and fee schedule to them.

Consult away.

Maybe you and krp can get together.

I can see it now.

"Greegorian KRaP, Inc. Your solution to too much potential success."

"Gregcrap inc." for short.

Receptionist: "Gregcrap, Louise speaking, how may we help you fail
today," Lilly Tomlin doing the telephone operator voice

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PS, it ain't about what they deserve, Greg, it's about what they need,
and what the children, abused and neglected, need. So call me Hitler.
K

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:35:53 -0700, Greegor
wrote:

Many of the children had false birth certificates, while
Leekin has used at least five aliases, police say.
Although she immigrated to the United States,
police say U.S. Immigration and Customs
Enforcement has no record of her name.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localne...ekin_0726.html

Kane, Do you think the agencies who placed these
9 people did ANY background check at all?

Yes I do.


Foreign National but no record with INS?
Fake Birth Certificates?


What makes you think she presented with a name of a foreign?
"U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has no record of her name."

I have heard nothing about any spouse.

Relevance to your question?

How one person get NINE charges?

Two or three to a name, Greg.

On the other hand, I believe I could have accessed, perfectly legally,
databases that MIGHT have tipped me off...but then, I'd need time, and
I'd need to have a way to photo ID the person named in the data
source, and compare it to the woman across the desk from me.

Workers in most states, for instance, can pull up employment records
the state keeps for FICA compliance, etc. It's a fed thing, but state
Dept of Employment to enforce, as I recall.

If there is such a record at all. Jane Doe, six places of employment,
salary, withholding etc. Lady across the desk gives the correct SS
number that allowed me access. Lady has a face, data records do not.
No fingerprint images either.

She exists, has an identity now.

Crim check shows NO data. Even the FBI wouldn't have data on the "ID"
(you've heard of identity theft, have you not little man....why do you
think it's just a thriving business? The ID's go to cons just like
this one, for various scams...this is only ONE of the kinds).

Now show us, what would tip you off there was something screwy here?

I saw a sister act once that did much the same as this lady, but
smaller scam.

Sis just stole her CLEAN sister's ID and pasted HER own pick over her
sisters. Metaphorically speaking, and in fact in reality.

Did you see her upscale house?

Yes. She's a scam artist. I've seen them before. And their ill gotten
gains. Have you a point? yawn

Zip ties and cuffs were to keep the charges from
damaging the house she said.

Well, that alone should have tipped of the caseworker named Dick
Tracy, now shouldn't it?

She would, of course, let the first DHS worker in the house
immediately without delay, kids and adults scattered about in starving
injured condition, and their bindings on display.

What WAS that caseworker thinking, anyway....about her new yacht?

Yer just smoke screening for escape from my questions on lethal force
and similar, right, Greg?

You aren't really going to debate me on this.

And you never have, and never will post for any honest purpose, Greg.

It's always part of YOUR scam. One way or another.

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