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Wouldn't Want To Go To School Today
If you use as a measuring stick the success you have enjoyed and the
ability to retire in your early 50s, Catholic elementary school in the 1950s and Catholic high school in late '50s-early '60s sho nuff worked for me. It contributed at least significantly, albeit not totally. It wasn't for everyone though; the nuns prior to 1960 could be brutal. I recall our third grade class having 86 kids, but you could hear a pin drop. The stories I hear today, especially pertaining to govt. schools: metal detectors, cops patrolling the halls, absolute chaos in the classroom .... whew. You have to feel sorry for those kiddos who want to learn. They're probably in the distinct minority though and, if so, that's a major cause of the problem. Private school? Hah, the high school I attended now charges $20K per year just for tuition. The old lady and I made the right choice not to reproduce. |
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Way Back Jack wrote:
If you use as a measuring stick the success you have enjoyed and the ability to retire in your early 50s, Catholic elementary school in the 1950s and Catholic high school in late '50s-early '60s sho nuff worked for me. It contributed at least significantly, albeit not totally. It wasn't for everyone though; the nuns prior to 1960 could be brutal. I recall our third grade class having 86 kids, but you could hear a pin drop. The stories I hear today, especially pertaining to govt. schools: metal detectors, cops patrolling the halls, absolute chaos in the classroom .... whew. Personally, I don't feel that walking the halls in any of the public school around here is any different (more or less dangerous) than walking around any of the local shopping malls.... (and the schools are probably a whole lot safer than shopping at the nearby factory outlets around November or December...) Public education probably has more of a cross-section statically proportional to the local general population than most of the private schools do.... so I'm guessing that if the school hallways are scary, so are the streets..... Martin You have to feel sorry for those kiddos who want to learn. They're probably in the distinct minority though and, if so, that's a major cause of the problem. Private school? Hah, the high school I attended now charges $20K per year just for tuition. The old lady and I made the right choice not to reproduce. |
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On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 13:18:56 -0600, Rowley
wrote: Way Back Jack wrote: If you use as a measuring stick the success you have enjoyed and the ability to retire in your early 50s, Catholic elementary school in the 1950s and Catholic high school in late '50s-early '60s sho nuff worked for me. It contributed at least significantly, albeit not totally. It wasn't for everyone though; the nuns prior to 1960 could be brutal. I recall our third grade class having 86 kids, but you could hear a pin drop. The stories I hear today, especially pertaining to govt. schools: metal detectors, cops patrolling the halls, absolute chaos in the classroom .... whew. Personally, I don't feel that walking the halls in any of the public school around here is any different (more or less dangerous) than walking around any of the local shopping malls.... (and the schools are probably a whole lot safer than shopping at the nearby factory outlets around November or December...) Public education probably has more of a cross-section statically proportional to the local general population than most of the private schools do.... so I'm guessing that if the school hallways are scary, so are the streets..... Alas, practically every place is less safe now. __________ Martin You have to feel sorry for those kiddos who want to learn. They're probably in the distinct minority though and, if so, that's a major cause of the problem. Private school? Hah, the high school I attended now charges $20K per year just for tuition. The old lady and I made the right choice not to reproduce. |
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Way Back Jack wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 13:18:56 -0600, Rowley wrote: Way Back Jack wrote: If you use as a measuring stick the success you have enjoyed and the ability to retire in your early 50s, Catholic elementary school in the 1950s and Catholic high school in late '50s-early '60s sho nuff worked for me. It contributed at least significantly, albeit not totally. It wasn't for everyone though; the nuns prior to 1960 could be brutal. I recall our third grade class having 86 kids, but you could hear a pin drop. The stories I hear today, especially pertaining to govt. schools: metal detectors, cops patrolling the halls, absolute chaos in the classroom .... whew. Personally, I don't feel that walking the halls in any of the public school around here is any different (more or less dangerous) than walking around any of the local shopping malls.... (and the schools are probably a whole lot safer than shopping at the nearby factory outlets around November or December...) Public education probably has more of a cross-section statically proportional to the local general population than most of the private schools do.... so I'm guessing that if the school hallways are scary, so are the streets..... Alas, practically every place is less safe now. I don't know - for the part 20 years I've been living in the same neighborhood and nothing really bad has happened here - and it's a pretty mixed bag of people - both ethnically and social economically ..... sure I have burglar bars on my windows, but I installed them back when I was traveling for business and during a period when hardly anyone was living in the neighborhood... I think part of the problem is perception.... the news typically only reports on bad things, so most people assume that is what happens on a daily basis - even though it doesn't.... not saying there aren't scary places, just probably not as many of them as some people think..... Martin __________ Martin You have to feel sorry for those kiddos who want to learn. They're probably in the distinct minority though and, if so, that's a major cause of the problem. Private school? Hah, the high school I attended now charges $20K per year just for tuition. The old lady and I made the right choice not to reproduce. |
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On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:33:38 -0600, Rowley
wrote: Way Back Jack wrote: On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 13:18:56 -0600, Rowley wrote: Way Back Jack wrote: If you use as a measuring stick the success you have enjoyed and the ability to retire in your early 50s, Catholic elementary school in the 1950s and Catholic high school in late '50s-early '60s sho nuff worked for me. It contributed at least significantly, albeit not totally. It wasn't for everyone though; the nuns prior to 1960 could be brutal. I recall our third grade class having 86 kids, but you could hear a pin drop. The stories I hear today, especially pertaining to govt. schools: metal detectors, cops patrolling the halls, absolute chaos in the classroom .... whew. Personally, I don't feel that walking the halls in any of the public school around here is any different (more or less dangerous) than walking around any of the local shopping malls.... (and the schools are probably a whole lot safer than shopping at the nearby factory outlets around November or December...) Public education probably has more of a cross-section statically proportional to the local general population than most of the private schools do.... so I'm guessing that if the school hallways are scary, so are the streets..... Alas, practically every place is less safe now. I don't know - for the part 20 years I've been living in the same neighborhood and nothing really bad has happened here - and it's a pretty mixed bag of people - both ethnically and social economically .... sure I have burglar bars on my windows, but I installed them back when I was traveling for business and during a period when hardly anyone was living in the neighborhood... I think part of the problem is perception.... the news typically only reports on bad things, so most people assume that is what happens on a daily basis - even though it doesn't.... not saying there aren't scary places, just probably not as many of them as some people think..... 20 years? Look at the original post; I'm talking about 50 years ago. Been there; done that. Martin __________ Martin You have to feel sorry for those kiddos who want to learn. They're probably in the distinct minority though and, if so, that's a major cause of the problem. Private school? Hah, the high school I attended now charges $20K per year just for tuition. The old lady and I made the right choice not to reproduce. |
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Way Back Jack wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:33:38 -0600, Rowley wrote: Way Back Jack wrote: On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 13:18:56 -0600, Rowley wrote: Way Back Jack wrote: If you use as a measuring stick the success you have enjoyed and the ability to retire in your early 50s, Catholic elementary school in the 1950s and Catholic high school in late '50s-early '60s sho nuff worked for me. It contributed at least significantly, albeit not totally. It wasn't for everyone though; the nuns prior to 1960 could be brutal. I recall our third grade class having 86 kids, but you could hear a pin drop. The stories I hear today, especially pertaining to govt. schools: metal detectors, cops patrolling the halls, absolute chaos in the classroom .... whew. Personally, I don't feel that walking the halls in any of the public school around here is any different (more or less dangerous) than walking around any of the local shopping malls.... (and the schools are probably a whole lot safer than shopping at the nearby factory outlets around November or December...) Public education probably has more of a cross-section statically proportional to the local general population than most of the private schools do.... so I'm guessing that if the school hallways are scary, so are the streets..... Alas, practically every place is less safe now. I don't know - for the part 20 years I've been living in the same neighborhood and nothing really bad has happened here - and it's a pretty mixed bag of people - both ethnically and social economically .... sure I have burglar bars on my windows, but I installed them back when I was traveling for business and during a period when hardly anyone was living in the neighborhood... I think part of the problem is perception.... the news typically only reports on bad things, so most people assume that is what happens on a daily basis - even though it doesn't.... not saying there aren't scary places, just probably not as many of them as some people think..... 20 years? Look at the original post; I'm talking about 50 years ago. Been there; done that. 50 years.... hmm... the place where I am living (where my actual house is) was probably only accessible via horseback and even then with all the mesquite maybe not even then.... Times indeed have changed here in Texas in the last 50 years.... I recently watched a documentry on PBS in the past week - "A Class Apart" - http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/class/ Which covers the events leading up to the 1954 U.S. Supreme Court civil-rights case - Hernandez v. Texas... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hernandez_v._Texas 1954 was also the year of Brown v. Board of Education.... In 1948 there was a civil-rights case against the local school district here - which was about segregated campuses, some students went to a brick building school, others were in old army barracks, and the rest were taught in old army tents..... I'm guessing not everybody looks upon those olden days with fond memories... Martin Martin __________ Martin You have to feel sorry for those kiddos who want to learn. They're probably in the distinct minority though and, if so, that's a major cause of the problem. Private school? Hah, the high school I attended now charges $20K per year just for tuition. The old lady and I made the right choice not to reproduce. |
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On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:51:28 -0600, Rowley
wrote: Way Back Jack wrote: On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:33:38 -0600, Rowley wrote: Way Back Jack wrote: On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 13:18:56 -0600, Rowley wrote: Way Back Jack wrote: If you use as a measuring stick the success you have enjoyed and the ability to retire in your early 50s, Catholic elementary school in the 1950s and Catholic high school in late '50s-early '60s sho nuff worked for me. It contributed at least significantly, albeit not totally. It wasn't for everyone though; the nuns prior to 1960 could be brutal. I recall our third grade class having 86 kids, but you could hear a pin drop. The stories I hear today, especially pertaining to govt. schools: metal detectors, cops patrolling the halls, absolute chaos in the classroom .... whew. Personally, I don't feel that walking the halls in any of the public school around here is any different (more or less dangerous) than walking around any of the local shopping malls.... (and the schools are probably a whole lot safer than shopping at the nearby factory outlets around November or December...) Public education probably has more of a cross-section statically proportional to the local general population than most of the private schools do.... so I'm guessing that if the school hallways are scary, so are the streets..... Alas, practically every place is less safe now. I don't know - for the part 20 years I've been living in the same neighborhood and nothing really bad has happened here - and it's a pretty mixed bag of people - both ethnically and social economically .... sure I have burglar bars on my windows, but I installed them back when I was traveling for business and during a period when hardly anyone was living in the neighborhood... I think part of the problem is perception.... the news typically only reports on bad things, so most people assume that is what happens on a daily basis - even though it doesn't.... not saying there aren't scary places, just probably not as many of them as some people think..... 20 years? Look at the original post; I'm talking about 50 years ago. Been there; done that. 50 years.... hmm... the place where I am living (where my actual house is) was probably only accessible via horseback and even then with all the mesquite maybe not even then.... Times indeed have changed here in Texas in the last 50 years.... I recently watched a documentry on PBS in the past week - "A Class Apart" - http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/class/ Which covers the events leading up to the 1954 U.S. Supreme Court civil-rights case - Hernandez v. Texas... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hernandez_v._Texas 1954 was also the year of Brown v. Board of Education.... In 1948 there was a civil-rights case against the local school district here - which was about segregated campuses, some students went to a brick building school, others were in old army barracks, and the rest were taught in old army tents..... I'm guessing not everybody looks upon those olden days with fond memories... Lemme put it this way, sonny: The city in which I was raised has 300 murders a year, population 600,000. In 1960, there were 950,000 souls living in that city. I don't know how many murders were committed but for the entire State of 4.2 million, there were 105 murders. Then came LBJ's Great Society that promised us cradle-to-grave entitlement but which delivered a "you owes us attitude" and a massive welfare State that all but destroyed the black family, e.g., black out of wedlock rate 1963: 25%; today 70%. Gee, Martin Luther King told us that when Civil Rights were realized, behavior would improve. Well, we've transcended Civil Rights and now have "preferential treatment" for the "protected" groups and yet behavior has worsened. Brother Martin lied to us. Yeah, the old days were better, for everyone. Martin Martin __________ Martin You have to feel sorry for those kiddos who want to learn. They're probably in the distinct minority though and, if so, that's a major cause of the problem. Private school? Hah, the high school I attended now charges $20K per year just for tuition. The old lady and I made the right choice not to reproduce. |
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Way Back Jack wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:51:28 -0600, Rowley wrote: Way Back Jack wrote: On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:33:38 -0600, Rowley wrote: Way Back Jack wrote: On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 13:18:56 -0600, Rowley wrote: Way Back Jack wrote: If you use as a measuring stick the success you have enjoyed and the ability to retire in your early 50s, Catholic elementary school in the 1950s and Catholic high school in late '50s-early '60s sho nuff worked for me. It contributed at least significantly, albeit not totally. It wasn't for everyone though; the nuns prior to 1960 could be brutal. I recall our third grade class having 86 kids, but you could hear a pin drop. The stories I hear today, especially pertaining to govt. schools: metal detectors, cops patrolling the halls, absolute chaos in the classroom .... whew. Personally, I don't feel that walking the halls in any of the public school around here is any different (more or less dangerous) than walking around any of the local shopping malls.... (and the schools are probably a whole lot safer than shopping at the nearby factory outlets around November or December...) Public education probably has more of a cross-section statically proportional to the local general population than most of the private schools do.... so I'm guessing that if the school hallways are scary, so are the streets..... Alas, practically every place is less safe now. I don't know - for the part 20 years I've been living in the same neighborhood and nothing really bad has happened here - and it's a pretty mixed bag of people - both ethnically and social economically .... sure I have burglar bars on my windows, but I installed them back when I was traveling for business and during a period when hardly anyone was living in the neighborhood... I think part of the problem is perception.... the news typically only reports on bad things, so most people assume that is what happens on a daily basis - even though it doesn't.... not saying there aren't scary places, just probably not as many of them as some people think..... 20 years? Look at the original post; I'm talking about 50 years ago. Been there; done that. 50 years.... hmm... the place where I am living (where my actual house is) was probably only accessible via horseback and even then with all the mesquite maybe not even then.... Times indeed have changed here in Texas in the last 50 years.... I recently watched a documentry on PBS in the past week - "A Class Apart" - http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/class/ Which covers the events leading up to the 1954 U.S. Supreme Court civil-rights case - Hernandez v. Texas... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hernandez_v._Texas 1954 was also the year of Brown v. Board of Education.... In 1948 there was a civil-rights case against the local school district here - which was about segregated campuses, some students went to a brick building school, others were in old army barracks, and the rest were taught in old army tents..... I'm guessing not everybody looks upon those olden days with fond memories... Lemme put it this way, sonny: The city in which I was raised has 300 murders a year, population 600,000. We've got around 80k - but that spread out over a county around 800 sq. miles.... some kids ride the school bus for more than an hour each way to school... not sure how many murders, seems to be at least one or two in the local paper every week, course the paper only comes out twice a week.... In 1960, there were 950,000 souls living in that city. I don't know how many murders were committed but for the entire State of 4.2 million, there were 105 murders. Reported murders? I seem to remember reading a book on journalism from around the 40's/50's - think the book mentioned that some things were "news" and other were not..... Then came LBJ's Great Society that promised us cradle-to-grave entitlement but which delivered a "you owes us attitude" and a massive welfare State that all but destroyed the black family, e.g., black out of wedlock rate 1963: 25%; today 70%. The people in Austin recently renamed Town Lake to Lady Bird Lake in honor of LBJ's wife..... Something to keep in mind... the civil-rights cases I mentioned were all before the U.S. Supreme Court.... not LBJ.... Gee, Martin Luther King told us that when Civil Rights were realized, behavior would improve. Well, we've transcended Civil Rights and now have "preferential treatment" for the "protected" groups and yet behavior has worsened. No for the most part behavior hasn't improved or even changed..... Martin Brother Martin lied to us. Yeah, the old days were better, for everyone. Martin Martin __________ Martin You have to feel sorry for those kiddos who want to learn. They're probably in the distinct minority though and, if so, that's a major cause of the problem. Private school? Hah, the high school I attended now charges $20K per year just for tuition. The old lady and I made the right choice not to reproduce. |
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Rowley wrote:
Way Back Jack wrote: On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:51:28 -0600, Rowley wrote: snippage In 1960, there were 950,000 souls living in that city. I don't know how many murders were committed but for the entire State of 4.2 million, there were 105 murders. Reported murders? I seem to remember reading a book on journalism from around the 40's/50's - think the book mentioned that some things were "news" and other were not..... Went looking to see if I had the book that I remember reading.... found one (not sure it is the same book, still browsing it to see if I can find the passage...) The book is a bit "older" than 50 years - the copy I have was printed in 1936 and the original publication was 1932... (which is one of the reasons I think it might have been another book I read as I seem to remember it was from the early 50s...) "A College Course in Reporting for Beginners", By Curtis D. MacDougall, published New York, by The Macmillan Company.... It's a pretty thick book - 550 pages or so... Chapter XX (20) covers "Crime" It opens with this... (page 333) "American newspapers print more news about crime than do their European counterparts because, within the last few decades, this nation has become the most lawless in the world.".... In the back of the book there is an Appendix (F) which has reprints of the front pages of the final editions of newspapers all around the US for the day of Saturday, March 14th, 1931 (so 78 years next saturday on the nose.... a bit more than 50 I know.... 50% more) The papers are; The Boston Daily Globe (2 cents) The New York Times (2 cents) New York Herald Tribune (2 cents) The Atlanta Constitution (8 cents - I think, the print is small) The Cincinnati Enquirer (3 cents) Chicago Daily Tribune (2 cents) Milwaukee Sentinel (3 cents) Arkansas Gazette (3 cents) Seattle Post Intelligencer (5 cents) Morning Oregonian (5 cents) A lot of news seemed to have been crammed onto the front pages back then - much more dense than today's front pages... Some news from the time (since these are all from the same day, a lot of the national articles are of the same events...)... "Burglars Get $750,000 Gems at Palm Beach" (Arkansas Gazette says it was $650,000...) "Two Women Attacked by Kentucky Negros; Posse is Hunting Pair" "Massachusetts Declares War Upon Dry Law" "Drunken Policeman Fires on Passing Autos; Shot by Officers Who Are Sent to Investigate" Lots of kidnappings.... murders, burglaries, some hit and runs, bootleggers, a mother drowned her two kids and then herself... gasoline went down a penny to 13 cents (16.5 cents in Portland Or, but with a few stations selling it for 11 cents...... usual stories on politics and corruption... someone bombed some gambler's home.... And interesting headline... "Progressives' Conference is Twitted By Coolidge" (they had Twitter back then? Who knew).... Ah, the good old old days.... Martin snippage |
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On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:28:27 -0600, Rowley
wrote: the civil-rights cases I mentioned were all before the U.S. Supreme Court.... not LBJ.... "Reverse" discrimination although watered-down and not as blatant courtesy of the SCOTUS Bakke and Gratz decisions is still alive-and-well pursuant to SCOTUS ruling in Grutter v. Bollinger. |
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