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Old July 26th 06, 11:27 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,sci.med.immunology,sci.med.nursing,uk.people.health
Mark Probert
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john wrote:
"HCN" wrote in message
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pharma drivel deleted

Notice how these pharma boys like to be anonymous


Just like , right?
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Old July 26th 06, 11:42 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,sci.med.immunology,sci.med.nursing,uk.people.health
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"Bryan Heit" wrote in message
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Johns just bitter because he tried to re-write the vaccine section and was
spanked for filling it with his lies. so now he says the whole thing is
crap, aside from the one or two entries which fit his perceptions. Those
limited number are OK.

Bryan


vax bull****. Their main effort was to block links to smallpox books on
line http://www.whale.to/vaccines/smallpox14.html

So unless you think 30 books are all lies, but in your world anyone who
doesn't believe in vaccines is a liar/crank/quack/mad


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Old July 27th 06, 07:34 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,sci.med.immunology,sci.med.nursing,uk.people.health
Bryan Heit
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john wrote:
So unless you think 30 books are all lies


Not lies, just fiction.

Bryan
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Old July 27th 06, 11:12 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,sci.med.immunology,sci.med.nursing,uk.people.health
john
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"Bryan Heit" wrote in message
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john wrote:
So unless you think 30 books are all lies


Not lies, just fiction.

Bryan


Fiction is the vaccinator/allopath story of vaccination, get the real one on
whale.to

Which is why the allopaths have to spend so much time lying on places like
Wikipedia


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Old July 29th 06, 11:07 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,sci.med.immunology,sci.med.nursing,uk.people.health
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In article ,
john wrote:

"HCN" wrote in message
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pharma drivel deleted

Notice how these pharma boys like to be anonymous

Fact: Measles deaths declined by 99.4% before vax. So no evidence vax did
anything.


Fact: measles declined not at all before vax. Measles declined by
over 99.9% after vax. So massive evidence vax did something.

Fact: measles killed hundreds in the US every year before vax, now
down to approximately zero. So massive evidence vax did something.

Fact: Vitamin C prevents all deaths and disability. Never used by pharma
boys which shows where they are coming from


Fact: massive overstatement, backed by a couple of uncontrolled
studies from the 1940s.

Fact: Measles is safe if managed properly, even without vitamin C. A
medical naturopath in 1890 never lost anyone to measles


Fact: No way to verify that claim now, over 100 years later.

Fact: Over 50% of measles deaths in first world are due to other drugs like
steroids.


Fact: Nonsensical claim, propagated by Luddites who think all modern
technology is evil.

Fact: MMR kills and causes ADD, now 1 in 100 kids. At least 26 deaths in UK
caused by MMR.


Fact: Measles kills and disables, no evidence on ADD. 26 deaths over
how many years?

Come to think of it, ADD is a new claim by the anti-vaxers about MMR.
Guess the autism reed was getting too slender.

Fact: Last MMR vaccine was withdrawn as unsafe when it caused meningitis
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/mmr9.html


Fact: other MMR vaccines still on market.

Note to pharma moron:

Because, of course... measles as a virus does not exist in the world where
the "germ theory" does not exist.


But instead, in such a world, diseases are caused by evil spirits.

Study the Bechamp cellular disease theory so you know what we believe
http://www.whale.to/v/disease2.html


Then you're *know* they're nuts. Especially when they haul out a
fraudulent "quotation" from Pasteur to back their position.

No where do we say germs don't exist. This is the two theories side
by side http://www.whale.to/v/germ.htm


No, they just have the cart before the horse and claim the germs are
the symptom, not the cause. Then they haul out a fraudulent set of
claims about Koch's postulates and HIV to try to prove AIDS doesn't
exist. Not hobbled by consistency.

This is in a world governed by gods, ley-lines, fairies, goblins and bad
diets. You may want to live in your fairy-tale world, but unfortunately
the victims of the witch-doctors are very real.


Yes, they are 780,000 deaths by Allopathy every year in US alone
http://www.whale.to/w/iatrogenic.html


Right -- "allopaths" are to blame for the fact that people in nursing
homes get bedsores, and are to blame when someone is malnourished.
Damn those allopaths! They're also to blame for all car crashes,
earthquakes, and the troubles in the Middle East.

And relying on ad hominem is just an admission you have no argument,


When john does it, however, and he often does, then it's OK. It's
just not OK when other people do it.

I'll have to put you in my kill file along with the rest


That is to say, the rest of the people who raise points for which john
has no canned answer on whale.to.

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Old July 30th 06, 12:27 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,sci.med.immunology,sci.med.nursing,uk.people.health
D. C. Sessions
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In message , john wrote:

Fact: Measles deaths declined by 99.4% before vax. So no evidence vax did
anything.


So the 441,703 US cases in 1960 represented only 0.6% of the
more than 73 million cases per year earlier in the century?

Something doesn't add up here. Please clarify the maths.

Fact: Vitamin C prevents all deaths and disability. Never used by pharma
boys which shows where they are coming from


Easy enough to prove by posting the statistics for New Mexico
or Ireland, both areas where the population ingests massive
amounts of vitamin C (high enough that a change in diet to one
normal elsewhere can result in withdrawal scurvy.)

According to your vitamin C theory, the measles mortality in
New Mexico or Ireland in 1960 should have been markedly less
than that in Scotland or Colorado.

Fact: Measles is safe if managed properly, even without vitamin C. A
medical naturopath in 1890 never lost anyone to measles


How many did he lose to pneumonia?

Fact: Over 50% of measles deaths in first world are due to other drugs
like steroids.


Again, easy to test. A very high percentage of the measles cases in
the Netherlands occur in religious communities which neither vaccinate
nor use any other medicines including steroids. What is their case
mortality compared to the rest of the Netherlands?

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