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  #11  
Old July 30th 06, 08:50 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,uk.politics,uk.politics.misc
Ilena Rose
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Default 'the MMR10'.

Thanks Jason ... it's not that easy having an egomaniac like Stephen
"Dr Sue" Barrett and his Gang of Rag-tag Posse Members lose to me
several times in court ... Probert is just one of his psycho
sycophants. O So Humble Barrett calls himself "The Media" ... just to
give you an idea.

BTW ... Dr Sue also sued Dr. Whtacker ... as well as Dr. Mercola ...
the list goes on and on and on ...

You are a brave man to defend me here in his Den of Smearers ... thank
you.

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...WatchWatch.htm
  #12  
Old July 30th 06, 09:03 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,uk.politics,uk.politics.misc
Jason Johnson
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Default 'the MMR10'.

In article , Ilena Rose
wrote:

Thanks Jason ... it's not that easy having an egomaniac like Stephen
"Dr Sue" Barrett and his Gang of Rag-tag Posse Members lose to me
several times in court ... Probert is just one of his psycho
sycophants. O So Humble Barrett calls himself "The Media" ... just to
give you an idea.

BTW ... Dr Sue also sued Dr. Whtacker ... as well as Dr. Mercola ...
the list goes on and on and on ...

You are a brave man to defend me here in his Den of Smearers ... thank
you.

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...WatchWatch.htm

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ilena,
I don't worry about the people that I call netcops. I don't mind when
people (especially doctors) correct any bad advice that I provide as long
as they do so in a professional way. I was really offended when one of the
posters in the cardiology newsgroup posted the home address of my friend
Doctor Chung--that was over the line. I admire you for standing up to
people and even taking them to court. Keep it up. I am on your side.
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  #13  
Old July 30th 06, 09:35 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,uk.politics,uk.politics.misc
David Wright
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Default 'the MMR10'.

In article ,
Jason Johnson wrote:
In article ,
(David Wright) wrote:

In article ,
Jason Johnson wrote:

I love the way you stand up for yourself
and don't take no crap from anyone.
Keep up the great work and the interesting
posts.


Gee, Jason, glad you're not biased or anything.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

David,
Believe it or not--everyone is biased.


Golly, ya think?

For example, people in the medical establishment are biased
against alternative doctors that in most cases treat medical
problems and diseases with vit., minerals and herbs.
I receive a newsletter each month from Doctor
Julian Whitaker (alternative doctor). He has told
lots of stories in those newsletters about his battles
with the medical establishment.


Yes, I'm well aware of Whitaker. I've always wondered why
a supposedly health-oriented doctor was so porky, but let's
ignore that one for the moment. I've gotten promotional
mailers for his newsletter and looked at some of his claims
and I'm not impressed.

Those that are in favor of placing mercury and aluminum
in vaccines seem to me to be biased against those of us
that don't want known poisons to be placed in vaccines.


Aluminum is not a "known poison" or you'd have been dead
long ago, Jason. You consume it in your food every day.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
  #14  
Old July 30th 06, 10:24 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,uk.politics,uk.politics.misc
Jason Johnson
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Default 'the MMR10'.

In article ,
(David Wright) wrote:

In article ,
Jason Johnson wrote:
In article ,
(David Wright) wrote:

In article ,
Jason Johnson wrote:

I love the way you stand up for yourself
and don't take no crap from anyone.
Keep up the great work and the interesting
posts.


Gee, Jason, glad you're not biased or anything.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

David,
Believe it or not--everyone is biased.


Golly, ya think?

For example, people in the medical establishment are biased
against alternative doctors that in most cases treat medical
problems and diseases with vit., minerals and herbs.
I receive a newsletter each month from Doctor
Julian Whitaker (alternative doctor). He has told
lots of stories in those newsletters about his battles
with the medical establishment.


Yes, I'm well aware of Whitaker. I've always wondered why
a supposedly health-oriented doctor was so porky, but let's
ignore that one for the moment. I've gotten promotional
mailers for his newsletter and looked at some of his claims
and I'm not impressed.

Those that are in favor of placing mercury and aluminum
in vaccines seem to me to be biased against those of us
that don't want known poisons to be placed in vaccines.


Aluminum is not a "known poison" or you'd have been dead
long ago, Jason. You consume it in your food every day.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

David,
You appear to have a bias in relation to Doctor Whitaker--just kidding.

I have a copy of "Laboratory Test Handbook" that was written by three
medical doctors. Many doctors have that same book in their offices.

It has a long list of items in the index listed under
POISONING (code: 988.8)
Aluminum and Mercury are on that list.
I checked the page that discussed Aluminum and I copied the following
information from that page:
"Patients at risk [for alumninum poisoning]:
1. infants on parenteral fluids.
2. burn patients.
3. patients with renal failure"

It's possible that the reason those patients have to be checked is because
aluminum might be one of the ingredients of the fluids those patients
receive
in the IVs.

This sentence was taken from the above mentioned book:
"The potential toxicity of Al includes anemia and it's role in progressive
dementia and osteodystrophy."

I recently read a book that was written by a kidney specialist and he
advised kidney patients to not use antacids that contain aluminum since it
causes
"nerve and blood cell toxicity."

I do believe that alumnium is safer than mercury. However, neither mercury
or alumnium should be used in vaccines since they are known poisons. Yes,
I have used antacids that contain aluminum and have mercury in my dental
fillings. My health would probably be better than it now is if I had never
been exposed to any known poisons.
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  #15  
Old July 30th 06, 10:28 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,uk.politics,uk.politics.misc
Ilena Rose
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Default 'the MMR10'.


http://www.laleva.cc/environment/alu...lzheimer2.html

Can Aluminum Cause Alzheimer's Disease?
by Melvyn R. Werbach, M.D.



Senile dementia is a progressive degenerative brain disease associated
with old age. Its symptoms include short-term memory loss, slowness in
thought and movement, confusion, disorientation, depression,
difficulty communicating, and loss of physical function. Alzheimer's
disease accounts for about half of all senile dementia cases. Although
there are many theories about what causes Alzheimer's, the fact is,
its origins remain poorly understood.
One theory proposed that the common occurrence of being exposed to
aluminum could cause Alzheimer's dementia. Aluminum, the theory
postulated, becomes concentrated in the characteristic lesions (senile
plaques and neurofibrillary tangles) that develop in the brain during
the course of the disease. At first, medical scientists thought this
theory was absurd. Aluminum, they believed, accumulated merely as a
result of a destructive process caused by some other factor.
In recent years, however, the aluminum hypothesis has been gaining
respect. For example, studies have discovered a direct association
between the level of aluminum in municipal drinking water and the risk
of Alzheimer's dementia. One study found aluminum in drinking water
was related to only this specific type of dementia;1 another found
that the probability of the association being due to chance was only 1
in 24, with a 46 percent increased risk for people drinking water with
the highest aluminum levels.2
The use of aluminum-containing antiperspirants--but not the use of
antiperspirants and deodorants in general--has also been associated
with a risk of Alzheimer's dementia, with a trend toward a higher risk
corresponding with increasing frequency of use.3 This relationship
does not extend to aluminum-containing antacids,4 which may simply be
evidence that the aluminum in antacids is not absorbed--the process of
absorption through the gut mucosa is quite different from absorption
through the skin.
We also know that serum aluminum concentrations increase with age.
Aluminum may accumulate slowly over our lifetimes or we may absorb it
more easily as we age. Moreover, there is evidence that people with
probable Alzheimer's disease have serum aluminum levels that are often
significantly higher than those of people with other types of
dementia, as well healthy people of similar ages.5
Further evidence that aluminum fosters the development of Alzheimer's
dementia comes from a scientific (placebo-controlled) trial of
desferrioxamine, a drug that removes aluminum from the body by binding
with it. While regular administration of the drug failed to stop the
disease from progressing, desferrioxamine did significantly reduce the
rate of decline in the ability of a group of people with Alzheimer's
dementia to care for themselves.6
Although the aluminum/Alzheimer's link remains unproven, I believe
that waiting for definitive proof before taking a few easy and
protective measures is foolhardy--and more scientists are starting to
agree.7,8 Perhaps one person in 10 age 65 or older suffers from
dementia; by age 80 that figure rises to one in five. This is too
common an illness to ignore preventive measures until we can know for
certain why it develops.


Ways To Avoid Aluminum


Here are my suggestions for minimizing your exposure to aluminum.
* Drinking water should be low in aluminum. Some bottled-water
companies provide an analysis of the aluminum content of their water.
You might also find out from your public water company what the
aluminum level is in the local drinking water.
* Aluminum-containing antiperspirants can easily be avoided, as can
aluminum utensils and even, to play it safe, aluminum-containing
antacids.
* Commercially processed foods such as cake and pancake mixes, frozen
doughs and self-rising flour are sources of dietary aluminum, so their
ingestion should be minimized. Watch for and avoid sodium aluminum
phosphate, an ingredient in baking powder. Pickles and cheese should
also be avoided.
* There is a close relationship between silicon and aluminum in
Alzheimer brain lesions, as the two substances bind together to form
aluminosilicates.9 High levels of silica in drinking water in the form
of silicic acid do seem to protect against the adverse effects of
aluminum ingestion, and silicic acid ingestion increases urinary
aluminum excretion.10,11 Whether silica supplements protect against
the development of dementia has yet to be determined.
* Besides minimizing aluminum exposure, taking the Recommended Dietary
Allowance (RDA) of calcium, magnesium and zinc should help to protect
against aluminum accumulation.12-14 Deficiencies of these important
minerals are common among the elderly.15 Yet, unless there is
laboratory evidence of a zinc deficiency, I would not recommend zinc
supplementation to help prevent Alzheimer's disease, for two reasons.
First, beta-amyloid protein, the major substance found in the brain
lesions (usually in a liquid form), binds with zinc. At concentrations
only slightly higher than those normally found in the brain, excess
zinc may convert the protein to the solid form that is found in
Alzheimer lesions.16 This suggests that, at least in theory, excess
zinc could actually promote the development of the disease. Second,
there is a lack of adequate research demonstrating the efficacy of
zinc supplementation in preventing Alzheimer's, although in one study
all six relatively young dementia victims had some memory improvement
following supplementation with zinc aspartate.17

References
1. Martyn, C.N., et al. Lancet, 1: 59-62, 1989.

2. Neri, L.C., & Hewitt, D. Letter. Lancet, 338: 390, 1991.

3. Graves, A.B., et al. J Clin Epidemio,l 43(1): 35-44, 1990.

4. Ibid.

5. Zapatero, M.D. Biol Trace Elem Res, 47: 235-40, 1995.

6. McLachlan, D.R., et al. Lancet, 337: 1304-8, 1991.

7. Lukiw, W.J. Mineral and Metal Neurotoxicology. 113-26. CRC Press,
1997.

8. McLachlan, D.R., et al. Can Med Assoc J, 145(7): 793-804, 1991.

9. Candy, J.M., et al. Lancet, i: 354-57, 1986.

10. Jacqmin-Gadda, H., et al. Epidemiology 7(3): 281-85, 1996.

11. Bellia, J.P., et al. Ann Clin Lab Sci, 26: 227-33, 1996.

12. Foster, H.D. Health, Disease and the Environment. 311-16. Boca
Raton, Fla.: CRC Press, 1992:

13. Durlach, J. Magnes Res, 3(3): 217-18, 1990.

14. Wenk, G.L., & Stemmer, K.L. Brain Res 288: 393-95, 1983.

15. Werbach, M.R. Foundations of Nutritional Medicine: Common
nutritional deficiencies. Tarzana, Calif.: Third Line Press, 1997.

16. Bush, A.I., et al. Science, 265: 1464-67, 1994.

17. Constantinidis, J. Schweiz Arch Neurol Neurochir Psychiatr,
141(6): 523-56, 1990.
Melvyn R. Werbach, M.D., is a faculty member at the UCLA School of
Medicine and the author of Nutritional Influences on Illness (Third
Line Press Inc., 1993).

Melvyn R. Werbach, M.D., is a faculty member at the UCLA School of
Medicine and the author of Nutritional Influences on Illness (Third
Line Press Inc., 1993).





http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...kWatchWAtch.ht


  #16  
Old July 30th 06, 11:50 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,uk.politics,uk.politics.misc
Jan Drew
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Default 'the MMR10'. [Mark Probert BUSTED AGAIN -x5]


"Mark Probert" wrote in message
...
Jason Johnson wrote:
In article , Mark Probert
wrote:

Jason Johnson wrote:
In article , Ilena Rose
wrote:
Disbarred attorney Mark S Probert claimed:
There is absolutely no proof that the MMR causes autism. He

is blind to the evidence.
He also claimed there is absolutely no proof that he was ever
disbarred.
See the NY Supreme Court Order to Disbar him he
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/SandraProbert.htm
So much for veracity from HealthFraud Probert.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ilena,
Welcome back. I enjoy reading your posts. Mark is also an expert
in diverting attention from the central issue in posts. For example,
if someone posts information about a study that shows that MMR

causes autism, he will attack the organization that conducted
the study instead of discussing the actual study. Often, the biases of

the sponsors of a study are as important as the results are.
It usually works
since his buddies take his side in regard to attacking the

organization
that conducted the study instead of discussing the actual study. It

reminded me of how a defense attorney representing a murderer trys to
get the members of the jury to believe that someone else
must have done the murder. This is a method of diverting attention
away from his client. He also trys to divert attention by attacking
the person that made the post related to the study. He is making use
of his legal training related to responding to posts. If anyone does
not believe me, read his future posts.

Thank you Jason, for now proving something that I suspected all along.


That's 22222222222222222 funny.

Jason Nailed you.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mark,
Read your most recent posts. In one case, you actually discounted one
research study while promoting another research study.


I wish you would post the URL of what you are talking about, so I would
know what you are talking about.

It's my opinion (and let me know if I am wrong) that you discount any
study results that you do not agree with and believe any study results
that support your point of view. Many people do the same thing.


Generally speaking, as you did not provide the courtesy of a link to what
you are talking about, I discount studies that are poorly done, "unique"
in the sense that they have never been replicated, done by someone who has
a proven bias, etc.

However, what you have observed is that my opinions are supported by good
science, and I dismiss bad science, if you want to call some of the crap
that.

A true scientist will read all of the research studies and try to keep an
open mind related to studies that do not support his or her point of
view.


That's nice, but irrelevant. A true scientist, and I am not a scientist,
will review a study for various things, such as selection bias,
methodology, valid sampling, appropriate use of statistical analysis, etc.
They would know that not all studies, just like not all opinions, are
created equal. Some actually are better than others.


BTW, just for your information, if wish to have further discussion with
me, I suggest that you email me.

mark{dot}probert{at}gmail{dot}com

No email, no further responses.


This is a game famous for Mark.

WARNING. Mark LIES about e-mail.

That is a PROVEN FACT.
Mark KNOWS it.

What is said should be right HERE out in the open.

NOT behind e-mail.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...549640201535a2

Mark Probert wrote:


Fri, Jun 23 2006

[Subject title. All ADHD meds are not the same..]


That is real. I offered you and Ilena a mutual cease fire, no
conditions, and you and she slapped the same condition on it.


I replied:
Sat, Jun 24 2006


No conditions? Just EXACTLY is this * cease fire* you offered?



Mark wrote:


Mon, Jun 26 2006

Addressing only the substantive issues in posts, including the biases of
the authors of articles that are posted. Period.


My reply:


So...you refuse to post your ceasefire.


Why is that, Mark?


You stated the below in this thread.


*That is real. I offered you and Ilena a mutual cease fire, no
conditions, and you and she slapped the same condition on it.*


Wed, Jun 28 2006



Mark wrote:


Oh, I see...you asked "Just EXACTLY is this * cease fire* you offered?"
when you meant to ask "Just EXACTLY where is this * cease fire* you
offered?"

You should be more clear.


It is in the archives. Look it up.


Easy to see why he refused.. again.


I did look it up.


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/5dc4c69029...


Subject: Dear Jan & IIena


Tues, Feb 8 2005


If they can do it, why can't we?


Israel, Palestinians Declare Ceasefire


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/17a05b4c76...


Thurs, Feb 10 2005 7:06 pm


Look at the first message in this thread. It is your choice to emulate
the
Palestinians and Israelis,


What is you choice? Commence declaring Ceasefire.


RIGHT NOW.


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/07e38a462c...


Fri, Feb 11 2005


When you stop, I stop, not before.


Ceasfire?
1 Mark Probert Feb 12 2005


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/78eb9b427f...


Sat, Feb 12 2005 3:36 pm


Jan, if you want a ceasfire, act like it. I am tired of being the first to
turn the other cheek and being trashed by your and Ilena. My offer, like
that between Abbas and Sharon, was unconditional. My next offer will be
conditional.


Your choice.


Choose peace.


==


All should be able to see [as shown above]I already did on Feb 10 2005.


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/5f0e54e999...,


Feb 13 2005



I wrote:
You didn't make an offer, you posted a question, so all can see you are
lying AGAIN.



To any intelligent being, it was an offer.

That is sufficiently clear. You did not make an offer. You posted a
question.


==


Now..here is Mark Probert telling a whopper lie.


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/2b208c112a...


Feb 11 2005, 2:11 pm


YOU are fully responsible
for Ilena contacting my wife who is not a participant in usenet.


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/5f0e54e999...


From : Jan
Sent : Saturday, February 12, 2005 12:27 PM
To : "Mark Probert"
Subject : New Website Exposes Ilena Rosenthal and the Humantics
Foundation


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An additional note:


Should you email me again I will construe that to be a withdrawal of your
request that not email you, and I will, when I deem it appropriate, email
you.







  #17  
Old July 30th 06, 11:54 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,uk.politics,uk.politics.misc
Jeff
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Default 'the MMR10'.


"Jason Johnson" wrote in message
...

(...)

Aluminum is not a "known poison" or you'd have been dead
long ago, Jason. You consume it in your food every day.


What is a known poision. Yet, I consume liters of it nearly every day.

Jeff


  #18  
Old July 31st 06, 12:20 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,uk.politics,uk.politics.misc
Jason Johnson
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Posts: 213
Default 'the MMR10'.

In article , Ilena Rose
wrote:

http://www.laleva.cc/environment/alu...lzheimer2.html

Can Aluminum Cause Alzheimer's Dis
by Melvyn R. Werbach, M.D.



Senile dementia is a progressive degenerative brain disease associated
with old age. Its symptoms include short-term memory loss, slowness in
thought and movement, confusion, disorientation, depression,
difficulty communicating, and loss of physical function. Alzheimer's
disease accounts for about half of all senile dementia cases. Although
there are many theories about what causes Alzheimer's, the fact is,
its origins remain poorly understood.
One theory proposed that the common occurrence of being exposed to
aluminum could cause Alzheimer's dementia. Aluminum, the theory
postulated, becomes concentrated in the characteristic lesions (senile
plaques and neurofibrillary tangles) that develop in the brain during
the course of the disease. At first, medical scientists thought this
theory was absurd. Aluminum, they believed, accumulated merely as a
result of a destructive process caused by some other factor.
In recent years, however, the aluminum hypothesis has been gaining
respect. For example, studies have discovered a direct association
between the level of aluminum in municipal drinking water and the risk
of Alzheimer's dementia. One study found aluminum in drinking water
was related to only this specific type of dementia;1 another found
that the probability of the association being due to chance was only 1
in 24, with a 46 percent increased risk for people drinking water with
the highest aluminum levels.2
The use of aluminum-containing antiperspirants--but not the use of
antiperspirants and deodorants in general--has also been associated
with a risk of Alzheimer's dementia, with a trend toward a higher risk
corresponding with increasing frequency of use.3 This relationship
does not extend to aluminum-containing antacids,4 which may simply be
evidence that the aluminum in antacids is not absorbed--the process of
absorption through the gut mucosa is quite different from absorption
through the skin.
We also know that serum aluminum concentrations increase with age.
Aluminum may accumulate slowly over our lifetimes or we may absorb it
more easily as we age. Moreover, there is evidence that people with
probable Alzheimer's disease have serum aluminum levels that are often
significantly higher than those of people with other types of
dementia, as well healthy people of similar ages.5
Further evidence that aluminum fosters the development of Alzheimer's
dementia comes from a scientific (placebo-controlled) trial of
desferrioxamine, a drug that removes aluminum from the body by binding
with it. While regular administration of the drug failed to stop the
disease from progressing, desferrioxamine did significantly reduce the
rate of decline in the ability of a group of people with Alzheimer's
dementia to care for themselves.6
Although the aluminum/Alzheimer's link remains unproven, I believe
that waiting for definitive proof before taking a few easy and
protective measures is foolhardy--and more scientists are starting to
agree.7,8 Perhaps one person in 10 age 65 or older suffers from
dementia; by age 80 that figure rises to one in five. This is too
common an illness to ignore preventive measures until we can know for
certain why it develops.


Ways To Avoid Aluminum


Here are my suggestions for minimizing your exposure to aluminum.
* Drinking water should be low in aluminum. Some bottled-water
companies provide an analysis of the aluminum content of their water.
You might also find out from your public water company what the
aluminum level is in the local drinking water.
* Aluminum-containing antiperspirants can easily be avoided, as can
aluminum utensils and even, to play it safe, aluminum-containing
antacids.
* Commercially processed foods such as cake and pancake mixes, frozen
doughs and self-rising flour are sources of dietary aluminum, so their
ingestion should be minimized. Watch for and avoid sodium aluminum
phosphate, an ingredient in baking powder. Pickles and cheese should
also be avoided.
* There is a close relationship between silicon and aluminum in
Alzheimer brain lesions, as the two substances bind together to form
aluminosilicates.9 High levels of silica in drinking water in the form
of silicic acid do seem to protect against the adverse effects of
aluminum ingestion, and silicic acid ingestion increases urinary
aluminum excretion.10,11 Whether silica supplements protect against
the development of dementia has yet to be determined.
* Besides minimizing aluminum exposure, taking the Recommended Dietary
Allowance (RDA) of calcium, magnesium and zinc should help to protect
against aluminum accumulation.12-14 Deficiencies of these important
minerals are common among the elderly.15 Yet, unless there is
laboratory evidence of a zinc deficiency, I would not recommend zinc
supplementation to help prevent Alzheimer's disease, for two reasons.
First, beta-amyloid protein, the major substance found in the brain
lesions (usually in a liquid form), binds with zinc. At concentrations
only slightly higher than those normally found in the brain, excess
zinc may convert the protein to the solid form that is found in
Alzheimer lesions.16 This suggests that, at least in theory, excess
zinc could actually promote the development of the disease. Second,
there is a lack of adequate research demonstrating the efficacy of
zinc supplementation in preventing Alzheimer's, although in one study
all six relatively young dementia victims had some memory improvement
following supplementation with zinc aspartate.17

References
1. Martyn, C.N., et al. Lancet, 1: 59-62, 1989.

2. Neri, L.C., & Hewitt, D. Letter. Lancet, 338: 390, 1991.

3. Graves, A.B., et al. J Clin Epidemio,l 43(1): 35-44, 1990.

4. Ibid.

5. Zapatero, M.D. Biol Trace Elem Res, 47: 235-40, 1995.

6. McLachlan, D.R., et al. Lancet, 337: 1304-8, 1991.

7. Lukiw, W.J. Mineral and Metal Neurotoxicology. 113-26. CRC Press,
1997.

8. McLachlan, D.R., et al. Can Med Assoc J, 145(7): 793-804, 1991.

9. Candy, J.M., et al. Lancet, i: 354-57, 1986.

10. Jacqmin-Gadda, H., et al. Epidemiology 7(3): 281-85, 1996.

11. Bellia, J.P., et al. Ann Clin Lab Sci, 26: 227-33, 1996.

12. Foster, H.D. Health, Disease and the Environment. 311-16. Boca
Raton, Fla.: CRC Press, 1992:

13. Durlach, J. Magnes Res, 3(3): 217-18, 1990.

14. Wenk, G.L., & Stemmer, K.L. Brain Res 288: 393-95, 1983.

15. Werbach, M.R. Foundations of Nutritional Medicine: Common
nutritional deficiencies. Tarzana, Calif.: Third Line Press, 1997.

16. Bush, A.I., et al. Science, 265: 1464-67, 1994.

17. Constantinidis, J. Schweiz Arch Neurol Neurochir Psychiatr,
141(6): 523-56, 1990.
Melvyn R. Werbach, M.D., is a faculty member at the UCLA School of
Medicine and the author of Nutritional Influences on Illness (Third
Line Press Inc., 1993).

Melvyn R. Werbach, M.D., is a faculty member at the UCLA School of
Medicine and the author of Nutritional Influences on Illness (Third
Line Press Inc., 1993).





http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...kWatchWAtch.ht

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Ilena,
Thanks for posting this interesting research study. The "gang" keeps
asking for studies and you posted an excellent study. I wonder if they
will even bother commenting on it or just look for reason to discount the
study without even bothering to read it? I hope not. I know of at least
three doctors that believe that aluminum may cause senile dementia and I
agree with them. That is one of the reasons that aluminum should NOT be
used in vaccines and medications.
Keep up the great work,
Jason
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"Jeff" wrote in message
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Aluminum is not a "known poison" or you'd have been dead
long ago, Jason. You consume it in your food every day.


What is a known poision. Yet, I consume liters of it nearly every day.

Jeff


ALL diversion of *aluminum in vaccines* is noted.


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Way to go, Jason.

The "gang"..............

"Jason Johnson" wrote in message
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In article , Ilena Rose
wrote:

http://www.laleva.cc/environment/alu...lzheimer2.html

Can Aluminum Cause Alzheimer's Dis
by Melvyn R. Werbach, M.D.



Senile dementia is a progressive degenerative brain disease associated
with old age. Its symptoms include short-term memory loss, slowness in
thought and movement, confusion, disorientation, depression,
difficulty communicating, and loss of physical function. Alzheimer's
disease accounts for about half of all senile dementia cases. Although
there are many theories about what causes Alzheimer's, the fact is,
its origins remain poorly understood.
One theory proposed that the common occurrence of being exposed to
aluminum could cause Alzheimer's dementia. Aluminum, the theory
postulated, becomes concentrated in the characteristic lesions (senile
plaques and neurofibrillary tangles) that develop in the brain during
the course of the disease. At first, medical scientists thought this
theory was absurd. Aluminum, they believed, accumulated merely as a
result of a destructive process caused by some other factor.
In recent years, however, the aluminum hypothesis has been gaining
respect. For example, studies have discovered a direct association
between the level of aluminum in municipal drinking water and the risk
of Alzheimer's dementia. One study found aluminum in drinking water
was related to only this specific type of dementia;1 another found
that the probability of the association being due to chance was only 1
in 24, with a 46 percent increased risk for people drinking water with
the highest aluminum levels.2
The use of aluminum-containing antiperspirants--but not the use of
antiperspirants and deodorants in general--has also been associated
with a risk of Alzheimer's dementia, with a trend toward a higher risk
corresponding with increasing frequency of use.3 This relationship
does not extend to aluminum-containing antacids,4 which may simply be
evidence that the aluminum in antacids is not absorbed--the process of
absorption through the gut mucosa is quite different from absorption
through the skin.
We also know that serum aluminum concentrations increase with age.
Aluminum may accumulate slowly over our lifetimes or we may absorb it
more easily as we age. Moreover, there is evidence that people with
probable Alzheimer's disease have serum aluminum levels that are often
significantly higher than those of people with other types of
dementia, as well healthy people of similar ages.5
Further evidence that aluminum fosters the development of Alzheimer's
dementia comes from a scientific (placebo-controlled) trial of
desferrioxamine, a drug that removes aluminum from the body by binding
with it. While regular administration of the drug failed to stop the
disease from progressing, desferrioxamine did significantly reduce the
rate of decline in the ability of a group of people with Alzheimer's
dementia to care for themselves.6
Although the aluminum/Alzheimer's link remains unproven, I believe
that waiting for definitive proof before taking a few easy and
protective measures is foolhardy--and more scientists are starting to
agree.7,8 Perhaps one person in 10 age 65 or older suffers from
dementia; by age 80 that figure rises to one in five. This is too
common an illness to ignore preventive measures until we can know for
certain why it develops.


Ways To Avoid Aluminum


Here are my suggestions for minimizing your exposure to aluminum.
* Drinking water should be low in aluminum. Some bottled-water
companies provide an analysis of the aluminum content of their water.
You might also find out from your public water company what the
aluminum level is in the local drinking water.
* Aluminum-containing antiperspirants can easily be avoided, as can
aluminum utensils and even, to play it safe, aluminum-containing
antacids.
* Commercially processed foods such as cake and pancake mixes, frozen
doughs and self-rising flour are sources of dietary aluminum, so their
ingestion should be minimized. Watch for and avoid sodium aluminum
phosphate, an ingredient in baking powder. Pickles and cheese should
also be avoided.
* There is a close relationship between silicon and aluminum in
Alzheimer brain lesions, as the two substances bind together to form
aluminosilicates.9 High levels of silica in drinking water in the form
of silicic acid do seem to protect against the adverse effects of
aluminum ingestion, and silicic acid ingestion increases urinary
aluminum excretion.10,11 Whether silica supplements protect against
the development of dementia has yet to be determined.
* Besides minimizing aluminum exposure, taking the Recommended Dietary
Allowance (RDA) of calcium, magnesium and zinc should help to protect
against aluminum accumulation.12-14 Deficiencies of these important
minerals are common among the elderly.15 Yet, unless there is
laboratory evidence of a zinc deficiency, I would not recommend zinc
supplementation to help prevent Alzheimer's disease, for two reasons.
First, beta-amyloid protein, the major substance found in the brain
lesions (usually in a liquid form), binds with zinc. At concentrations
only slightly higher than those normally found in the brain, excess
zinc may convert the protein to the solid form that is found in
Alzheimer lesions.16 This suggests that, at least in theory, excess
zinc could actually promote the development of the disease. Second,
there is a lack of adequate research demonstrating the efficacy of
zinc supplementation in preventing Alzheimer's, although in one study
all six relatively young dementia victims had some memory improvement
following supplementation with zinc aspartate.17

References
1. Martyn, C.N., et al. Lancet, 1: 59-62, 1989.

2. Neri, L.C., & Hewitt, D. Letter. Lancet, 338: 390, 1991.

3. Graves, A.B., et al. J Clin Epidemio,l 43(1): 35-44, 1990.

4. Ibid.

5. Zapatero, M.D. Biol Trace Elem Res, 47: 235-40, 1995.

6. McLachlan, D.R., et al. Lancet, 337: 1304-8, 1991.

7. Lukiw, W.J. Mineral and Metal Neurotoxicology. 113-26. CRC Press,
1997.

8. McLachlan, D.R., et al. Can Med Assoc J, 145(7): 793-804, 1991.

9. Candy, J.M., et al. Lancet, i: 354-57, 1986.

10. Jacqmin-Gadda, H., et al. Epidemiology 7(3): 281-85, 1996.

11. Bellia, J.P., et al. Ann Clin Lab Sci, 26: 227-33, 1996.

12. Foster, H.D. Health, Disease and the Environment. 311-16. Boca
Raton, Fla.: CRC Press, 1992:

13. Durlach, J. Magnes Res, 3(3): 217-18, 1990.

14. Wenk, G.L., & Stemmer, K.L. Brain Res 288: 393-95, 1983.

15. Werbach, M.R. Foundations of Nutritional Medicine: Common
nutritional deficiencies. Tarzana, Calif.: Third Line Press, 1997.

16. Bush, A.I., et al. Science, 265: 1464-67, 1994.

17. Constantinidis, J. Schweiz Arch Neurol Neurochir Psychiatr,
141(6): 523-56, 1990.
Melvyn R. Werbach, M.D., is a faculty member at the UCLA School of
Medicine and the author of Nutritional Influences on Illness (Third
Line Press Inc., 1993).

Melvyn R. Werbach, M.D., is a faculty member at the UCLA School of
Medicine and the author of Nutritional Influences on Illness (Third
Line Press Inc., 1993).





http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...kWatchWAtch.ht

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~

Ilena,
Thanks for posting this interesting research study. The "gang" keeps
asking for studies and you posted an excellent study. I wonder if they
will even bother commenting on it or just look for reason to discount the
study without even bothering to read it? I hope not. I know of at least
three doctors that believe that aluminum may cause senile dementia and I
agree with them. That is one of the reasons that aluminum should NOT be
used in vaccines and medications.
Keep up the great work,
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~



 




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