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Child welfare agency can't get FBI data Indiana FSSA
Would it be better for a child to be FIRST PLACED with relatives that they
know, rather than being instantly taken to *stranger foster care*? Especially young children under age 7 who are presumably less used to being moved around and establishing a relationship with that family? Very interesting article, thanks Wex. Wex sent in: Subject: Child welfare agency can't get FBI data From: wexwimpy Date: 6/26/2004 4:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: Child welfare agency can't get FBI data Bureau says state agency cannot use its database to conduct background checks on family guardians. By Eunice Trotter June 26, 2004 The FBI has denied Indiana Child Protection Services access to its criminal records database, thwarting caseworkers' ability to conduct national background checks on relatives who want to provide a home for abuse or neglected children. The background checks were to begin July 1, when a new law, House Enrolled Act 1194, is scheduled to go into effect. The law requires an FBI criminal background check of everyone in a relative's home. FBI officials formally notified the state this week that Child Protection Services, or CPS, is not a criminal justice agency and therefore is not eligible to access criminal records in the Department of Justice database. The law puts family members who seek to take in children under more scrutiny than foster parents. "If the FBI won't let us have access to the information, then we can't get it," said state Rep. Dennis Avery, D-Evansville, author of the law. Local judges also have said CPS could not have access to juvenile criminal records for the purpose of doing background checks, said Avery. As officials worked to digest the FBI decision, another blow to the new law came Friday when the Indiana Civil Liberties Union, acting on behalf of a child in foster care, filed a legal action to have the child placed with relatives. ICLU legal director Ken Falk said a motion was left Friday at Marion County juvenile court, asking a judge to overturn a CPS decision to place a child in foster care rather than with a relative. The petitioner in the confidential filing is a court-appointed representative for the unnamed child. Falk said the organization wants the legal action to be decided on behalf of all Indiana children who might be placed in foster care instead of with suitable relatives. "What this law would do, in effect, is make it much easier to place a child with a stranger than with a relative," said Falk, adding that only local background checks are performed on foster parents. "Every single person in the system recognizes there are problems with this law that have to be solved, but they won't be solved by next Thursday," Falk said. Marion County juvenile court Judge James W. Payne, who was unavailable for comment, has been a critic of the FBI background check provision. He foresaw a bottleneck of children waiting in foster care and a threat to the state's federal funding. Millions of dollars could be lost if the state violates federal rules that prohibit state wards from being in multiple placements. Annette Biesecker, a lawyer for the Indiana Family and Social Services Administration, the state agency over CPS, said caseworkers will continue to perform local background checks, including reviews of the state's child abuse and neglect database. She said the administration and other officials will continue to propose changes in the law to help protect children by keeping them out of the homes of unsuitable relatives. "We agree it was a good bill, but it presents certain challenges that under current law we cannot perform," she said. "We can't make the FBI give us the information." Legislators and FSSA officials said they had thought accessing basic FBI records through the Indiana State Police would have been relatively simple, though at a cost of $39 per check. But this method would have taken two or three months to complete for each person in a household being investigated, and the information would not have been adequate to determine whether a relative had been convicted of one of 19 crimes included in the new law. State Rep. David Orentlicher, D-Indianapolis, co-author of the law and a member of the Governor's Commission on Abused and Neglected Children and Their Families, said legislators will make changes to the law during the coming session. It is likely the revised law will require more thorough local checks, which in some cases were not performed at all in the past, he said. Cathleen Graham, who heads a statewide foster care association, said her organization supports the intent of the legislation to better protect children who are being placed with family members. She said the new law likely will cause children to be moved to several foster homes. "It is not a good thing for children to be repeatedly moved from place to place," Graham said. Sharon Pierce, executive director of The Villages, the state's largest foster care agency, said changes to the bill are welcomed. "I think then it could be a really positive tool to make sure children's connections with families are not hurt." http://www.indystar.com/articles/7/158035-9047-009.html Defend your civil liberties! Get information at http://www.aclu.org, become a member at http://www.aclu.org/join and get active at http://www.aclu.org/action. |
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Child welfare agency can't get FBI data Indiana FSSA
"Fern5827" wrote in message ... Would it be better for a child to be FIRST PLACED with relatives that they know, rather than being instantly taken to *stranger foster care*? No. It is best that they be placed in a safe family home. IF a relative is known immediately and IF that person is "fit", then, perhaps, yes. IF the agency were well funded, IF the caseworkers were trained well and IF they were paid well, IF they were given assistants and assistance, AND IF the proposed kin could be found to be free of criminal history of abuse and violence, be chemical free and IF their home could be quickly inspected and presumed safe and further, IF the kin / relative would to down to LE themselves and order and pay for their own criminal background checks, and IF someone like yourself, should you be a "fit" retired elder in our society would volunteer to help out with the problem instead of fuddying around commenting ignorantly upon the extant problems, THEN Perhaps we'll make changes that work. One child at a time. What have you done to improve the life of a child today? Recycle grey water? Sherm. |
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Child welfare agency can't get FBI data Indiana FSSA
Sherry dully commented:
and IF someone like yourself, should you be a "fit" retired elder in our society would volunteer to help out with the problem instead of fuddying around commenting ignorantly upon the extant problems, My dear, at least I am not pouting about Laura Bush's face-lift. I am contributing, whereas you constantly follow the pattern of finding fault. Read the latest Pew Commission on FC and their focus groups about perceptions of fosters? At least 30% feel fosters have monetary motives. What have you done to help families? I have a documented record of VOLUNTEERISM. Whereas I presume you were PAID. Or did you VOLUNTEER? Did'ja hear the latest from Indiana? |
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Child welfare agency can't get FBI data Indiana FSSA
"Fern5827" wrote in message ... Sherry dully commented: and IF someone like yourself, should you be a "fit" retired elder in our society would volunteer to help out with the problem instead of fuddying around commenting ignorantly upon the extant problems, My dear, at least I am not pouting about Laura Bush's face-lift. I am contributing, whereas you constantly follow the pattern of finding fault. Read the latest Pew Commission on FC and their focus groups about perceptions of fosters? At least 30% feel fosters have monetary motives. What have you done to help families? I have a documented record of VOLUNTEERISM. Whereas I presume you were PAID. Or did you VOLUNTEER? Only a total fool would ever consider me dull, Fool. Kane generously gives you credit for being higher up the food chain than I would, Mildew. You have consistently failed and refused to document your proclaimed volunteer "work". For that matter, your professed Masters Degree, etc. My volunteer work history is extensive. Wanna' tell us even ONE of your positions? My advocacy goes far beyond your recycling of grey water... I have never accepted nor requested any payment for my charitable, civic or other interests to which I give away my freely donated time, money, energy and effort. My parents instilled in me the obligations that I have which walk hand in hand with privilege that has been bestowed upon me. They taught me well for it is far more rewarding than difficult. I am not going to "presume" that someone like you cannot understand this, instead I'll just regard it as self-evident. You "presume" as you prattle on. You don't know what you're talking/ typing about. For you to presume my history of efforts to my fellow humans, tiny and elderly and other interests, is idiotic and senile. I follow my heart and I walk the walk of my dedication. As for Foster parenting, I also foster animals and I have adopted a few who are taken to my farm where I have caretakers hired to help the unadoptable very old ones to live out there remaining days in comfort and peace. My foster children have trusts set up for them for their future. These trusts include any funds which may have been made payable to me for their needs. I don't need the money, you feeble, narrow-minded babbling decrepit piece of the nothingness of your so-called life. Except to correct for the benefit of someone who comes to this newsgroup sincerely seeking help and information, I'll not be responding to your gibberish again. If a needy soul listend to your uninformed pap, it could harm a parent and child for need of a kind informed word and correct information. What in the world are you posting on this newsgroup for anyway? You have never been nor could you qualifiy as a foster parent, providing a safe family home. It is strange that your anger and angst should be directed toward good folks who are devoted and commited in their resolve to help children. Because you protesteth so much, a reasonable person might be led to believe that you have tried and failed at becoming a foster or adoptive parent. Or even a successful parent at all. Did your daughter ever get out from under the department's supervision for her difficulties? Whatever ~ You do not belong amongst the good folks here who try to actually help parents and children. Your grey water bucket overfloweth, Sherman |
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Sherry, dear.
ASS-umptions on your part. Infertile? For you to presume my history of efforts to my fellow humans, tiny and elderly and other interests, is idiotic and senile. I follow my heart Too bad your adjectives are pejorative. My foster children have trusts set up for them for their future. These trusts include any funds which may have been made payable to me for their needs. I Do they know about these trust funds? you feeble, narrow-minded babbling decrepit piece of the nothingness of your so-called lif "The lady doth protest too much." I'll not be responding to your gibberish again. If a needy soul listend to your uninformed pap, it could It is strange that your anger and angst should be directed toward good folks who are devoted and commited in their resolve to help children. THESE ARE only YOUR PERCEPTIONS. Did your wealth not teach you there are 2 sides to every story? Sherry or She man Sherman. Are you a transvestite? Sherry aka Sherman has a bug.... Subject: Child welfare agency can't get FBI data Indiana FSSA From: "Sherman" Date: 6/27/2004 9:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: "Fern5827" wrote in message ... Sherry dully commented: and IF someone like yourself, should you be a "fit" retired elder in our society would volunteer to help out with the problem instead of fuddying around commenting ignorantly upon the extant problems, My dear, at least I am not pouting about Laura Bush's face-lift. I am contributing, whereas you constantly follow the pattern of finding fault. Read the latest Pew Commission on FC and their focus groups about perceptions of fosters? At least 30% feel fosters have monetary motives. What have you done to help families? I have a documented record of VOLUNTEERISM. Whereas I presume you were PAID. Or did you VOLUNTEER? Only a total fool would ever consider me dull, Fool. Kane generously gives you credit for being higher up the food chain than I would, Mildew. You have consistently failed and refused to document your proclaimed volunteer "work". For that matter, your professed Masters Degree, etc. My volunteer work history is extensive. Wanna' tell us even ONE of your positions? My advocacy goes far beyond your recycling of grey water... I have never accepted nor requested any payment for my charitable, civic or other interests to which I give away my freely donated time, money, energy and effort. My parents instilled in me the obligations that I have which walk hand in hand with privilege that has been bestowed upon me. They taught me well for it is far more rewarding than difficult. I am not going to "presume" that someone like you cannot understand this, instead I'll just regard it as self-evident. You "presume" as you prattle on. You don't know what you're talking/ typing about. For you to presume my history of efforts to my fellow humans, tiny and elderly and other interests, is idiotic and senile. I follow my heart and I walk the walk of my dedication. As for Foster parenting, I also foster animals and I have adopted a few who are taken to my farm where I have caretakers hired to help the unadoptable very old ones to live out there remaining days in comfort and peace. My foster children have trusts set up for them for their future. These trusts include any funds which may have been made payable to me for their needs. I don't need the money, you feeble, narrow-minded babbling decrepit piece of the nothingness of your so-called life. Except to correct for the benefit of someone who comes to this newsgroup sincerely seeking help and information, I'll not be responding to your gibberish again. If a needy soul listend to your uninformed pap, it could harm a parent and child for need of a kind informed word and correct information. What in the world are you posting on this newsgroup for anyway? You have never been nor could you qualifiy as a foster parent, providing a safe family home. It is strange that your anger and angst should be directed toward good folks who are devoted and commited in their resolve to help children. Because you protesteth so much, a reasonable person might be led to believe that you have tried and failed at becoming a foster or adoptive parent. Or even a successful parent at all. Did your daughter ever get out from under the department's supervision for her difficulties? Whatever ~ You do not belong amongst the good folks here who try to actually help parents and children. Your grey water bucket overfloweth, Sherman FSSA INDIANA - NG ascps has pointers to a support group set up to help kin disallowed by CPS there. Email. Fern. |
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