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ACFM against child abuse.
Dear Friends and dear Brethren and others,
Athens Christian Friends Meeting (T) after being led by the Spirit of Christ on the subject and after earnest prayer for along time now has come to believe that we must be perfected in love, for God is Love and in love there is no fear. The 5th chapter of Matthew's Gospel, the 13th chapter of 1st Corinthians, etc. spoke to us deeply individually and corporately as a Meeting. We have a Ministry called Biblical Child Training Advocacy, this Ministry is coming under the hands of the Meeting and stopping to exist as is. Because of past and maybe wrong interpretations of certain Bible verses we taught that children should be disciplined with the rod. We are led to see that our view was in error. What children need is love, love brings love. Discipline is also needed but everything should flow out of true love. Therefore our Meeting is led to decla "After Meeting today and praying to the Lord Athens Christian Friends Meeting is led to support any law which would support innocent children. We think that a mild spanking (3 smacks) would not harm a child but because of child abuse we will support any law to end it. We are led to agree with what Friend Bill Samuel (on our Forum) said concerning the need for Bible studies and family worship and we know that love is the one thing needful. So Athens Christian Friends Meeting therefore is willing to support a law against spanking if it will help children be safe from abuse." God Bless! Th. Papaioannou |
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ACFM against child abuse.
So Athens Christian Friends Meeting therefore
is willing to support a law against spanking if it will help children be safe from abuse. But what about the ABUSE CAUSED by such a law in the hands of intrusive second guessing socialist anti spank zealot bureaucrats? Child REMOVAL is an abuse and the inevitable result of any such law. Is THAT what your ACFM supports? Three smacks on the bottom would be ok? Careful Padre, for the zealots would mark you as a CHILD MOLESTOR for such things. I suggest you get out of your ivory tower and find out more, much MORE, about a very complex issue before giving simplistic answers. Second Guessing Parents? You support that? If you are located in Greece, perhaps you just don't know what is going on in the USA or most other countries in regard to FAMILY ABUSE in the vain name of PROTECTING CHILDREN. It is as ironic and bitter sweet as the "Health through Labor" sign over the gates of the camp at Dachau. If your religion wishes to step into action regarding the Child Protection INDUSTRY and it's ABUSES OF FAMILIES, I would be very willing to make a case for that. I suspect you just don't KNOW about that. Much like the citizens of Dachau. I personally have been marked by a caseworkers FALSE WITNESS stating that I have a history of Sexual Abuse, when in fact, I do not. The Juvenile Court, the caseworkers and the Child Protection agency have all refused to correct what they know for a fact is false information in the records. The proof is in paper form, from THEIR OWN agency, old documents. I would say that if your sect is going to take a stand, this ACTUAL situation should come before some lofty idealistic political support. Surely you do not believe that caseworkers who bear such FALSE WITNESS should be given the power of such sweeping and powerful laws over something as sacred as family bonds. Perhaps this will communicate to you the evil done by the caseworkers already given entirely too much power to "play God" themselves. I ask you on humanitarian grounds, if you would intercede on my behalf by making a formal request to the governor for the investigation and correction of this FALSE WITNESS in the case records. I would of course provide you with the proof. Humanitarian in that it has harmed the child and her family. FALSE WITNESS has been used and defended as "In the best interest of the child". Do you believe that such a LIE benefits the child? Judge not lest ye be Judged yourself. Thou shalt not bear FALSE WITNESS. I honestly think that you do not understand the 41 BILLION DOLLAR Child Protection Industry in America, a cartel of many THOUSANDS of people all deriving financial benefit from imagined and NOT CRIMINALLY PROVEN child abuse. Most are NOT criminal cases, but worse, end up removing children from their parents forever. Greg in Iowa, USA |
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The fact that your group would support any law that abolishes spanking
is very good news indeed. While many of you still believe that it's okay to hit children three times mildly, you recognize that allowing children to be hit in the name of discipline sets the stage for child abuse. You also recognize that in love there is no fear, and you recognize that certain Bible versus may have been misinterpreted, thus resulting in the faulty Biblical justification for disciplinary hitting of children. By the nature of your post, I suspect it will not be long before the Biblical Child Training Advocacy recognized that even hitting children three times mildly in the name of discipline is not love, is not Biblical, and is not good parenting. Parenting is about teaching. Discipline is part of parenting. Hitting children, however mildly, is neither discipline nor teaching, nor is it supported in the New Testament. LaVonne Th.Papaioannou wrote: Dear Friends and dear Brethren and others, Athens Christian Friends Meeting (T) after being led by the Spirit of Christ on the subject and after earnest prayer for along time now has come to believe that we must be perfected in love, for God is Love and in love there is no fear. The 5th chapter of Matthew's Gospel, the 13th chapter of 1st Corinthians, etc. spoke to us deeply individually and corporately as a Meeting. We have a Ministry called Biblical Child Training Advocacy, this Ministry is coming under the hands of the Meeting and stopping to exist as is. Because of past and maybe wrong interpretations of certain Bible verses we taught that children should be disciplined with the rod. We are led to see that our view was in error. What children need is love, love brings love. Discipline is also needed but everything should flow out of true love. Therefore our Meeting is led to decla "After Meeting today and praying to the Lord Athens Christian Friends Meeting is led to support any law which would support innocent children. We think that a mild spanking (3 smacks) would not harm a child but because of child abuse we will support any law to end it. We are led to agree with what Friend Bill Samuel (on our Forum) said concerning the need for Bible studies and family worship and we know that love is the one thing needful. So Athens Christian Friends Meeting therefore is willing to support a law against spanking if it will help children be safe from abuse." God Bless! Th. Papaioannou |
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Greg Hanson wrote: So Athens Christian Friends Meeting therefore is willing to support a law against spanking if it will help children be safe from abuse. But what about the ABUSE CAUSED by such a law in the hands of intrusive second guessing socialist anti spank zealot bureaucrats? Who are the "intrusive second guessing socialist anti spank zealot bureaucrats? The people that removed your children for abuse? Child REMOVAL is an abuse and the inevitable result of any such law. Is THAT what your ACFM supports? Child removal is abuse? Tell it to the children I have worked with, and my graduate students have worked with, Greg. Tell it to the little girl who will never speak because her vocal cords are severely damaged by being forced to drink tabasco sauce. Tell it to the little girl who is now a teenager and can never have children because of the abuse she suffered as a child. Tell it to the little boy who is permanently disfigured because his mother threw hot water on his face to teach him never to touch the stove. For that matter, tell it to any child who is in a home where he/she is being hurt. Tell the child no one cares. Three smacks on the bottom would be ok? Careful Padre, for the zealots would mark you as a CHILD MOLESTOR for such things. Three smack on the bottom should not result in removal. Three smacks on the bottom should indicate that a parent is in desperate need of information regarding alternative forms of parenting. You are not for hitting, and you are legally protected. I am not for hitting, and I am legally protected. It's now time for our children to enjoy that protection. LaVonne I suggest you get out of your ivory tower and find out more, much MORE, about a very complex issue before giving simplistic answers. Second Guessing Parents? You support that? If you are located in Greece, perhaps you just don't know what is going on in the USA or most other countries in regard to FAMILY ABUSE in the vain name of PROTECTING CHILDREN. It is as ironic and bitter sweet as the "Health through Labor" sign over the gates of the camp at Dachau. If your religion wishes to step into action regarding the Child Protection INDUSTRY and it's ABUSES OF FAMILIES, I would be very willing to make a case for that. I suspect you just don't KNOW about that. Much like the citizens of Dachau. I personally have been marked by a caseworkers FALSE WITNESS stating that I have a history of Sexual Abuse, when in fact, I do not. The Juvenile Court, the caseworkers and the Child Protection agency have all refused to correct what they know for a fact is false information in the records. The proof is in paper form, from THEIR OWN agency, old documents. I would say that if your sect is going to take a stand, this ACTUAL situation should come before some lofty idealistic political support. Surely you do not believe that caseworkers who bear such FALSE WITNESS should be given the power of such sweeping and powerful laws over something as sacred as family bonds. Perhaps this will communicate to you the evil done by the caseworkers already given entirely too much power to "play God" themselves. I ask you on humanitarian grounds, if you would intercede on my behalf by making a formal request to the governor for the investigation and correction of this FALSE WITNESS in the case records. I would of course provide you with the proof. Humanitarian in that it has harmed the child and her family. FALSE WITNESS has been used and defended as "In the best interest of the child". Do you believe that such a LIE benefits the child? Judge not lest ye be Judged yourself. Thou shalt not bear FALSE WITNESS. I honestly think that you do not understand the 41 BILLION DOLLAR Child Protection Industry in America, a cartel of many THOUSANDS of people all deriving financial benefit from imagined and NOT CRIMINALLY PROVEN child abuse. Most are NOT criminal cases, but worse, end up removing children from their parents forever. Greg in Iowa, USA |
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Carlson LaVonne wrote in message ...
Greg Hanson wrote: So Athens Christian Friends Meeting therefore is willing to support a law against spanking if it will help children be safe from abuse. But what about the ABUSE CAUSED by such a law in the hands of intrusive second guessing socialist anti spank zealot bureaucrats? Who are the "intrusive second guessing socialist anti spank zealot bureaucrats? The people that removed your children for abuse? Child REMOVAL is an abuse and the inevitable result of any such law. Is THAT what your ACFM supports? Child removal is abuse? Tell it to the children I have worked with, and my graduate students have worked with, Greg. Tell it to the little girl who will never speak because her vocal cords are severely damaged by being forced to drink tabasco sauce. Tell it to the little girl who is now a teenager and can never have children because of the abuse she suffered as a child. Tell it to the little boy who is permanently disfigured because his mother threw hot water on his face to teach him never to touch the stove. Tell it to the hundreds of children who have died because of state intervention. LaVonne you are certainly a state whore who revels in stealing children in the name of Facism. What a state whore you are LaVonne!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For that matter, tell it to any child who is in a home where he/she is being hurt. Tell the child no one cares. Three smacks on the bottom would be ok? Careful Padre, for the zealots would mark you as a CHILD MOLESTOR for such things. Three smack on the bottom should not result in removal. Three smacks on the bottom should indicate that a parent is in desperate need of information regarding alternative forms of parenting. You are not for hitting, and you are legally protected. I am not for hitting, and I am legally protected. It's now time for our children to enjoy that protection. LaVonne I suggest you get out of your ivory tower and find out more, much MORE, about a very complex issue before giving simplistic answers. Second Guessing Parents? You support that? If you are located in Greece, perhaps you just don't know what is going on in the USA or most other countries in regard to FAMILY ABUSE in the vain name of PROTECTING CHILDREN. It is as ironic and bitter sweet as the "Health through Labor" sign over the gates of the camp at Dachau. If your religion wishes to step into action regarding the Child Protection INDUSTRY and it's ABUSES OF FAMILIES, I would be very willing to make a case for that. I suspect you just don't KNOW about that. Much like the citizens of Dachau. I personally have been marked by a caseworkers FALSE WITNESS stating that I have a history of Sexual Abuse, when in fact, I do not. The Juvenile Court, the caseworkers and the Child Protection agency have all refused to correct what they know for a fact is false information in the records. The proof is in paper form, from THEIR OWN agency, old documents. I would say that if your sect is going to take a stand, this ACTUAL situation should come before some lofty idealistic political support. Surely you do not believe that caseworkers who bear such FALSE WITNESS should be given the power of such sweeping and powerful laws over something as sacred as family bonds. Perhaps this will communicate to you the evil done by the caseworkers already given entirely too much power to "play God" themselves. I ask you on humanitarian grounds, if you would intercede on my behalf by making a formal request to the governor for the investigation and correction of this FALSE WITNESS in the case records. I would of course provide you with the proof. Humanitarian in that it has harmed the child and her family. FALSE WITNESS has been used and defended as "In the best interest of the child". Do you believe that such a LIE benefits the child? Judge not lest ye be Judged yourself. Thou shalt not bear FALSE WITNESS. I honestly think that you do not understand the 41 BILLION DOLLAR Child Protection Industry in America, a cartel of many THOUSANDS of people all deriving financial benefit from imagined and NOT CRIMINALLY PROVEN child abuse. Most are NOT criminal cases, but worse, end up removing children from their parents forever. Greg in Iowa, USA |
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ACFM against child abuse.
Greg Hanson ) wrote:
[snip] == It is as ironic and bitter sweet as the == "Health through Labor" sign over the gates == of the camp at Dachau. Except that there IS no such sign over the gates of Dachau. The sign over the gates of Dachau said: "Arbeit macht frei ('working makes one free')." Wanna try some more citations from a history on which you obviously have less than a complete grasp? -- The virtue most often rewarded is patience. -Ivan Gowch |
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