'the MMR10'.

"The Rifleman" wrote in message
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Are you the "rifleman" who taught Dick Cheney how to shoot straight?


No I am the rifleman who's brother became autistic back in the 60s after
getting his measles jabs

The reasons why your brother became autistic have nothing to do with the
measles jabs.

Jeff

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"Mark Probert" wrote in message
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The Rifleman wrote:
Are you the "rifleman" who taught Dick Cheney how to shoot straight?


No I am the rifleman who's brother became autistic back in the 60s after
getting his measles jabs

I see you ducked.

There is absolutely no proof that the MMR causes autism. It was
scaremonergered by Wakefield, and the US study you mention was miniscule.

Your brother was born with the genes that lead to autism.

Oh.... You know about his brother's genes?

I doubt Mark knows about his brother's genes. However, the studies clearly
show that measles does not cause autism, except, perhaps in a very small
minority of cases.

In addition, studies show that kids who develop symptoms of autism after
getting MMR have signs of autism before the jabs.

Jeff

Poor Mark.

"The Rifleman" wrote in message
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There is absolutely no proof that the MMR causes autism. It was
scaremonergered by Wakefield, and the US study you mention was miniscule.

There is absolutely no proof that the MMR is safe and did not cause
autism, single jabs are safer.

Actually, many studies were done about autism and MMR. The Institute of
Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences (USA) reveiwed the MMR studies.
They found no evidence of MMR causing autism.

There is no evidence that single jabs are safer. They carry a slightly
higher risk of infection. In addition, they are not as well tested as the
MMR shot.

Your brother was born with the genes that lead to autism.

Odd how it surfaced within days of his shots then.

Experts on child behavior compared the videos of kids who had autism before
they got vaccines to videos of normal children before they had vaccines. The
experts were able to spot subtle behavioral differences between the kids who
had autism and those who didn't. This indicates that autism was developing
BEFORE they got the jabs. The experts did not know which kids developed
autism and which ones didn't at the time they looked at the video.

Jeff

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In infants, too. Infants handle vaccines well. And infants have been
shown to produce antibodies. The vaccines have been shown to work.

Jeff


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antibody bull**** http://www.whale.to/vaccines/antibody.html

Lancet. 1984 Apr 28;1(8383):921-6. Related Articles, Links


Prevention of the HBsAg carrier state in newborn infants of mothers who are
chronic carriers of HBsAg and HBeAg by administration of hepatitis-B vaccine
and hepatitis-B immunoglobulin. Double-blind randomised placebo-controlled
study.

Wong VC, Ip HM, Reesink HW, Lelie PN, Reerink-Brongers EE, Yeung CY, Ma HK.

Newborn infants of Chinese HBeAg-carrier mothers in Hong Kong were randomly
assigned to one of four study groups. Group I was treated with 3 micrograms
heat-inactivated hepatitis B (HB) vaccine at birth and at 1, 2, and 6 months
thereafter, in conjunction with seven monthly HBIg injections; group II was
treated according to the same vaccine schedule but received only one HBIg
injection at birth; group III received only the vaccine, at months 0, 1, 2,
and 6; and group IV received placebos for both vaccine and HBIg. The first
set of injections was given within 1 h after birth. Comparisons were made in
the 140 children who were at least six months old at the close of the trial
(495 days). In all three treatment groups development of the persistent
carrier state was significantly (p less than or equal to 0.0001) less
frequent than in controls (2.9%, 6.8%, and 21.0% versus 73.2%). Although
vaccination alone was significantly less protective than vaccination plus
multiple HBIg injections (p = 0.03), the degree of protection was still
remarkable. 12 months after the first set of injections 96-100% of the
infants in the three treatment groups were anti-HBs positive; the geometric
mean titres of anti-HBs in the three groups did not differ significantly.
This indicates that even high doses of HBIg do not interfere with the
anti-HBs response to the vaccine. Probable intra-uterine HB infections were
observed in 3 infants. No serious side-effects were observed from the
interventions, even in the babies with intra-uterine infections who had
received HBIg and HB-vaccine at birth. To prevent development of the
persistent HBsAg carrier state, and thereby the consequent chronic liver
disease and/or primary carcinoma of the liver, HB vaccine and HBIg should be
administered as soon as possible after birth to all newborn infants at risk
of perinatal hepatitis B infection.

Lancet. 1986 Nov 15;2(8516):1143-5. Related Articles, Links


Seven-year study of hepatitis B vaccine efficacy in infants from an endemic
area (Senegal).

Coursaget P, Yvonnet B, Chotard J, Sarr M, Vincelot P, N'doye R, Diop-Mar I,
Chiron JP.

A booster dose of hepatitis B vaccine was given to 143 children in whom
hepatitis B had not developed 1 year after initial vaccination. Over the
next six years the incidence of hepatitis B in this group was 1.5% per year
compared with 11.5% per year in a similar group of unvaccinated children. In
the first 4 years the protective efficacy of the vaccine was 100%, but
during the 5th and 6th years it fell to 67%. For maximum protection a second
booster is needed, 5 years after the first.

"The Rifleman" wrote in message
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MMR is unsafe, simple as that, there is simply to much circumstancial
evidence to support it, and the drug companies have been unable to prove
its safe, all they have been able to do is to try and discredit their
opponants.

Innoculate by all means, but do it one vaccine at a time, give your child
body a chance.

Actually, MMR is safe. Not perferctly safe. There are rare serious
reactions. However the benefits of vaccination far outweigh the risks.

Would you rather your kid was immunized with a virus that has been weakened
and rarely leads to any disease, or have an illness with a death rate of
about 1 in 1000 and serious sequela rate of about 1 in 1000?

The vaccine is much safer than the disease.

jeff

"The Rifleman" wrote in message
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Inst it amasing the recording increase in kids reported to have develpoed
autism, esp as it mirrrors the MMR usage quite nicley.

The amazing part is that people continue to repeat this nonsense.

If one considers that the rates of autism diagnoses were going up before the
MMR was introduced in 1988 and showed no spike after the introduction, then
one would conclude that the increase of autism diagnoses had nothing to do
with MMR. The autism rate curve continued at without any change after the
introduction of MMR in 1988.

See fig. 2:
http://www.freenetpages.co.uk/hp/gin...une%201999.pdf

Jeff

The Rifleman wrote:
"Jan Drew" wrote in message
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"Mark Probert" wrote in message
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The Rifleman wrote:
Are you the "rifleman" who taught Dick Cheney how to shoot straight?


No I am the rifleman who's brother became autistic back in the 60s after
getting his measles jabs
I see you ducked.

There is absolutely no proof that the MMR causes autism. It was
scaremonergered by Wakefield, and the US study you mention was miniscule.

Your brother was born with the genes that lead to autism.
Oh.... You know about his brother's genes?

Poor Mark.
he knows nothing about my families genes and even less about MMR.

Like I said, you shoot facts as well as Cheney shoots pheasant.

A copious amount of research has been done showing that there is clearly
a significant genetic component to autism. There may be an environmental
factor thrown in, but, that has yet to be identified.

As for MMR, I am quite familiar with it. Obviously, you are not.

Jeff wrote:
"Jan Drew" wrote in message
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"Mark Probert" wrote in message
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The Rifleman wrote:
Are you the "rifleman" who taught Dick Cheney how to shoot straight?


No I am the rifleman who's brother became autistic back in the 60s after
getting his measles jabs
I see you ducked.

There is absolutely no proof that the MMR causes autism. It was
scaremonergered by Wakefield, and the US study you mention was miniscule.

Your brother was born with the genes that lead to autism.
Oh.... You know about his brother's genes?

I doubt Mark knows about his brother's genes. However, the studies clearly
show that measles does not cause autism, except, perhaps in a very small
minority of cases.

After a lot of reading, I am beginning to think that this is a placebo
that is thrown to the anti-vaccination liars to make them think that
their continued existence still means something.

In addition, studies show that kids who develop symptoms of autism after
getting MMR have signs of autism before the jabs.

Precisely. A fact that the anti-vac liars cannot disprove.

The Rifleman wrote:
There is absolutely no proof that the MMR causes autism. It was
scaremonergered by Wakefield, and the US study you mention was miniscule.

There is absolutely no proof that the MMR is safe and did not cause autism,
single jabs are safer.

Untrue. There are several studies showing no MMR-Autism link, and, the
ones that do show something, are subpar.

There is no reason to think that a single vaccine is any safer, and, if
the child gets site reactions, they are probably more dangerous.

Your brother was born with the genes that lead to autism.

Odd how it surfaced within days of his shots then.

It is not odd that your family did not see it before his vaccination. It
happens all the time.

The Rifleman wrote:
Inst it amasing the recording increase in kids reported to have develpoed
autism, esp as it mirrrors the MMR usage quite nicley.


Studies show that for the same period, other developmental disabilities
were on the decline. I could infer, using your illogic, that the MMR
prevents those disabilities.

However, since I prefer real logic, I will point out that during that
same period the diagnostic definition of Autism underwent a massive
change, and brought many of the other developmental disabilities into
Autism spectrum, thus making a statistical change, not a medical one.

Further, there was a greater awareness of the need to find why "Johnny
Can't Read" and, this, too, fueled the apparent increase.

All the autistics were previously there, but they were not called autistic.