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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:40:27 -0400, "bizby40"
wrote: Uhmmm...have you HEARD of nude daycare ??? What's up with these WAY OUT extreme hypotheticals? As I've said repeatedly, it was only to point out that pretty much everyone has a line they wouldn't want their DCPs to cross. LOL. You guys never saw *Auntie Mame?* I don't remember the name of the school... but it was a *nudist* school and Mame enrolled Patrick in it because she wanted him to have a *well-rounded* education. -- Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. The Outer Limits |
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bizby40 wrote:
"Jeanne" wrote in message ... I suggested switching daycares because that seemed to me a reasonable solution. If I'm unhappy with the workers for whatever reason (and inappropriate dress is a valid reason) I don't think an individual customer should be able to force a dress code. But as an individual customer I can take my business elsewhere. I do think that an individual customer should voice their concerns though. And she did voice her concern on dress. But she didn't get the response she wanted - the director did nothing. It is at *that point* that I suggest she may want to consider if the dress is an important enough issue to switch daycare. It may be that 5 other individual customers voice the same concerns and then something is done. Maybe. Maybe not. Jeanne |
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"Jeanne" wrote in message ... bizby40 wrote: "Jeanne" wrote in message ... I suggested switching daycares because that seemed to me a reasonable solution. If I'm unhappy with the workers for whatever reason (and inappropriate dress is a valid reason) I don't think an individual customer should be able to force a dress code. But as an individual customer I can take my business elsewhere. I do think that an individual customer should voice their concerns though. And she did voice her concern on dress. But she didn't get the response she wanted - the director did nothing. It is at *that point* that I suggest she may want to consider if the dress is an important enough issue to switch daycare. I don't disagree with that. Bizby It may be that 5 other individual customers voice the same concerns and then something is done. Maybe. Maybe not. Jeanne |
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:48:17 -0400, Ericka Kammerer
wrote: Barbara Bomberger wrote: But the OPs objection was to the style, not to the function. And wearing a shirt short enough to show a belly button does NOT mean that when you stretch your hands up, you automatically show everything. Goodness, if it did, I would be in trouble, as I dress on the "liberal side" I guess. And I'm an old woman. Personally, I was more worried about the other end of the skirt. It is difficult for me to imagine anything I'd call a mini skirt that would permit a teacher to be down on the floor playing with kids without being inappropriate. Yes, you definitely have a point with that one. I do see a difficulty with true interaciton with the kids unless the skirt is a "skort" or culottes. I also don't get the resistance to the notion that it is appropriate to have some dress standards for preschool teachers. The dress code for much of the professional world is *much* more strict than it is for preschoolers, and believe me, looking at it from the perspective of *running* a preschool, I'm *quite* well aware that if we had teachers dressed in mini skirts, not only would it be an indication that the teachers weren't doing their job as expected, but we'd be getting plenty of phone calls from irate parents. For every parent who's cool with midriff baring tops, low cut pants, and mini skirts, there'll be another who isn't keen on that role model for her preschool-aged daughter (or son). I can't afford to run a preschool where half the parents are ****ed off over teachers' attire. True. And in th is case, I expect, if its true that half the parents are upset, then the kids will be directed to change their attire. barb Best wishes, Ericka |
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:21:20 GMT, Nan wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 19:15:23 -0400, Ericka Kammerer wrote: More importantly, though, I don't think you even have to revert to much of a morality argument here. It's a job requirement to get down on the floor and play with the kids. If you can't do that in what you're wearing, it doesn't really matter whether someone finds it too revealing. I.e., if it were just about a neckline that was too low or something like that, it might be a somewhat different issue. I know that clothing most would consider somewhat risqué also would not be allowed at our preschool, as staff are expected to dress comfortably and casually, but professionally, but clothing that isn't suitable to performing primary job tasks isn't even a close call. Well, I agree that clothing suited to physical requirements is a Good Thing. However, I have to laugh at the number of posts saying part of the job *requirement* is to get on the floor and play. AFAIK, it's not a requirement of DD5s preschool teachers *or* the Stay and Play staff. They *might* decide to crawl around and play outside, but it certainly isn't "required", and I don't think I ever saw any of the teachers or DC gals doing so. It certainly CAN be a requirement in an infant and toddler room. with older children, the emphasis is more on walking around and being aware of where the children are. But when I am in the baby room, I certainly bend to the ground, sit to the ground, and so on. I also regularly get forumla spiton me, so my attire in those rooms is casual in the extreme. Nan |
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:29:44 -0400, "bizby40"
wrote: "Nan" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 15:07:23 -0400, "bizby40" wrote: something as frivolous as dress. I contend that if your DCPs crossed *your* personal line of what is appropriate, whatever that might be, that you would then feel that the matter of dress was more important. You insult too easily, then. Because *I* pay more attention to the standard of care, not how someone is dressed. If the OP is unhappy with the standard of care, she's not mentioning it. If the clothing is her only gripe, I do feel that is trivial in the Big Picture, considering the "teachers" aren't performing ritual sacrifices naked. Re-read what I said. The OP probably didn't consider how they dressed to be important until they crossed the line of her comfort level. Just because your line is at a different place than hers, does not mean that she places more emphasis on clothing than on care. If the staff at your DCP began wearing clothing that for whatever reason crossed out of *your* comfort zone, then you would likely complain about that, even if the level of care remained the same. In my case the answer is probably no. There are alot of clothing items for young people that are out of my comfort zone. Lord knows my mini skirt and go go boots were probably out of my parents comfort zone. But unless you are talking about nudity or pornography, or wearing clothing with swear words or so on, I am willing to expand my comfort zone, dependent on my childrens care and my children's relationshipwith the teacher.provider. Bizby |
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enigma wrote:
so, you want all your daycare providers/teachers dressed like this? http://www.plainlydressed.com/ Heh. One of their outfits is made out of "Traditional Swedish Knit Polyester." |
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:41:19 -0400, Ericka Kammerer
wrote: While our 2yo teachers spend more time on the floor than our 3yo or 4yo teachers, all of them are down there occasionally for circle time, doing floor puzzles, sitting with a child in their laps, building block towers, and all sorts of other things. I think one of the hallmarks of a good preschool is teachers who are down on the children's level, rather than directing from on high. I seem to recall something in the NAEYC standards describing this as desirable behavior as well. Oh, I agree that it's desirable behavior. I'm just saying I don't think it's *required* behavior. E's teacher most likely did get on the floor with the children on occasion. However, her classroom was quite small and space was mainly taken up by the tables and chairs for the kids. I did see her sitting at the table in those terribly tiny chairs quite a bit ;-) Nan |
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Anonymama wrote in
: enigma wrote: so, you want all your daycare providers/teachers dressed like this? http://www.plainlydressed.com/ Heh. One of their outfits is made out of "Traditional Swedish Knit Polyester." obviously they have enough Englitch neighbors who allow borrowing of computers to make online advertising worthwhile. it's still kind of weird to me though. i could see why Lehman's was online, as they sell to disaffected city folk & back-to-the-landers, but the clothing site amused & confused me. depressing to see all the poly/cotton stuff though. lee -- war is peace freedom is slavery ignorance is strength 1984-George Orwell |
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enigma wrote:
Anonymama wrote in : enigma wrote: so, you want all your daycare providers/teachers dressed like this? http://www.plainlydressed.com/ Heh. One of their outfits is made out of "Traditional Swedish Knit Polyester." obviously they have enough Englitch neighbors who allow borrowing of computers to make online advertising worthwhile. Might they be Englitch themselves? I don't see that they eschew modern technology themselves, even though some of their clients might. |
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