Inappropriate Teacher's Dress

In article ,
Anonymama wrote:

enigma wrote:

so, you want all your daycare providers/teachers dressed like
this?
http://www.plainlydressed.com/

Heh. One of their outfits is made out of "Traditional Swedish Knit
Polyester."

One assumes they mean the knitting style is traditional Swedish . .
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Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care

In article ,
"bizby40" wrote:

why? are bellies that taboo in society currently?
most summer jobs, especially in childcare, are minimum wage.
yes, in that situation i *do* think it's too much to expect
they should buy special clothes for work. when i was working
summers, it was because i needed that money for next semester,
not to buy clothes. YMMV, i suppose.

If they don't have any appropriate clothing and can't or
won't get any, then they might just have to look for a
more suitable job.

Keeping in mind that the OP said she complained and the owner did
nothing, one must assume that these young women are NOT dressed in a way
that their boss finds inappropriate -- so they already have a suitable
job.

I didn't see the clothes, but I know how completely differently my MIL
and I react to the same things: something I might think is kind of
cute, she might think is completely slutty. So, short of posting
pictures, there's know way for me to know whether *I* would think the
young women were dressed inappropriately -- and, if their boss doesn't
have a problem with it, then the OPs choices are to live with it or find
somewhere else for her chidren to be.
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Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care

In article ,
Nan wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 19:15:23 -0400, Ericka Kammerer
wrote:

More importantly, though, I don't think you even have
to revert to much of a morality argument here. It's a job
requirement to get down on the floor and play with the kids.
If you can't do that in what you're wearing, it doesn't
really matter whether someone finds it too revealing. I.e.,
if it were just about a neckline that was too low or something
like that, it might be a somewhat different issue. I know that
clothing most would consider somewhat risqué also would not be
allowed at our preschool, as staff are expected to dress
comfortably and casually, but professionally, but clothing
that isn't suitable to performing primary job tasks isn't
even a close call.

Well, I agree that clothing suited to physical requirements is a Good
Thing. However, I have to laugh at the number of posts saying part of
the job *requirement* is to get on the floor and play. AFAIK, it's
not a requirement of DD5s preschool teachers *or* the Stay and Play
staff. They *might* decide to crawl around and play outside, but it
certainly isn't "required", and I don't think I ever saw any of the
teachers or DC gals doing so.

Nan

Actually, that's a good point. I work with kids of all ages (though not
in a full time program), and I can't get down on to the floor anymore
unless there are three strong adults and a crane to get me back up . . .
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Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care

In article ,
Nan wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:41:19 -0400, Ericka Kammerer
wrote:

While our 2yo teachers spend more time on the floor than
our 3yo or 4yo teachers, all of them are down there occasionally
for circle time, doing floor puzzles, sitting with a child in
their laps, building block towers, and all sorts of other things.
I think one of the hallmarks of a good preschool is teachers who
are down on the children's level, rather than directing from on high.
I seem to recall something in the NAEYC standards describing this
as desirable behavior as well.

Oh, I agree that it's desirable behavior. I'm just saying I don't
think it's *required* behavior.
E's teacher most likely did get on the floor with the children on
occasion. However, her classroom was quite small and space was mainly
taken up by the tables and chairs for the kids.
I did see her sitting at the table in those terribly tiny chairs quite
a bit ;-)

Nan

That I can do (and do regularly). It's hard on this arthritic body, but
it IS important to get down to the kid's level, so I manage.
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Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care

In article ,
Barbara Bomberger wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:29:44 -0400, "bizby40"
wrote:


"Nan" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 15:07:23 -0400, "bizby40"
wrote:

something as frivolous as dress. I contend that if your DCPs
crossed *your* personal line of what is appropriate, whatever
that might be, that you would then feel that the matter of dress
was more important.

You insult too easily, then.
Because *I* pay more attention to the standard of care, not how
someone is dressed.
If the OP is unhappy with the standard of care, she's not mentioning
it. If the clothing is her only gripe, I do feel that is trivial in
the Big Picture, considering the "teachers" aren't performing ritual
sacrifices naked.

Re-read what I said. The OP probably didn't consider how they
dressed to be important until they crossed the line of her comfort
level. Just because your line is at a different place than hers, does
not mean that she places more emphasis on clothing than on care.
If the staff at your DCP began wearing clothing that for whatever
reason crossed out of *your* comfort zone, then you would
likely complain about that, even if the level of care remained the
same.

In my case the answer is probably no. There are alot of clothing items
for young people that are out of my comfort zone. Lord knows my mini
skirt and go go boots were probably out of my parents comfort zone.

But unless you are talking about nudity or pornography, or wearing
clothing with swear words or so on, I am willing to expand my comfort
zone, dependent on my childrens care and my children's
relationshipwith the teacher.provider.

Bizby



This whole thread is making me thing about how I'd feel if there were
someone caring for a young girl (especially) who was really into the
slut-puppy look. I don't really care if they're tatooed or pierced (or
show same), but I guess there WOULD be looks that I'd not want on people
who were, essentially, serving as role models for my kids. However, the
OP's description wasn't enough for me to know if THOSE things would have
been over my "comfort" line.

And now you're making me wonder if My daughter did much babysitting
while she was going through her "slut-puppy" phase, and I'm trying to
remember if I made her dress differently! I can't remember.
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Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care

Anonymama wrote in
:

enigma wrote:

Anonymama wrote in
:

enigma wrote:

so, you want all your daycare providers/teachers
dressed like
this?
http://www.plainlydressed.com/

Heh. One of their outfits is made out of "Traditional
Swedish Knit Polyester."

obviously they have enough Englitch neighbors who allow
borrowing of computers to make online advertising
worthwhile.

Might they be Englitch themselves? I don't see that they
eschew modern technology themselves, even though some of
their clients might.

possibly. it's something i'd think about doing if i were in an
Amish or Mennonite community. it's also possible they're
Mennonite, because some sects are pretty liberal when it comes
to technology.
lee

--
war is peace
freedom is slavery
ignorance is strength
1984-George Orwell

dragonlady wrote:
In article ,
Barbara Bomberger wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:29:44 -0400, "bizby40"
wrote:


"Nan" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 15:07:23 -0400, "bizby40"
wrote:

something as frivolous as dress. I contend that if your DCPs
crossed *your* personal line of what is appropriate, whatever
that might be, that you would then feel that the matter of dress
was more important.

You insult too easily, then.
Because *I* pay more attention to the standard of care, not how
someone is dressed.
If the OP is unhappy with the standard of care, she's not mentioning
it. If the clothing is her only gripe, I do feel that is trivial in
the Big Picture, considering the "teachers" aren't performing ritual
sacrifices naked.

Re-read what I said. The OP probably didn't consider how they
dressed to be important until they crossed the line of her comfort
level. Just because your line is at a different place than hers, does
not mean that she places more emphasis on clothing than on care.
If the staff at your DCP began wearing clothing that for whatever
reason crossed out of *your* comfort zone, then you would
likely complain about that, even if the level of care remained the
same.

In my case the answer is probably no. There are alot of clothing items
for young people that are out of my comfort zone. Lord knows my mini
skirt and go go boots were probably out of my parents comfort zone.

But unless you are talking about nudity or pornography, or wearing
clothing with swear words or so on, I am willing to expand my comfort
zone, dependent on my childrens care and my children's
relationshipwith the teacher.provider.

Bizby



This whole thread is making me thing about how I'd feel if there were
someone caring for a young girl (especially) who was really into the
slut-puppy look. I don't really care if they're tatooed or pierced (or
show same), but I guess there WOULD be looks that I'd not want on people
who were, essentially, serving as role models for my kids. However, the
OP's description wasn't enough for me to know if THOSE things would have
been over my "comfort" line.

And now you're making me wonder if My daughter did much babysitting
while she was going through her "slut-puppy" phase, and I'm trying to
remember if I made her dress differently! I can't remember.

I'm with you here, vis a vis the piercings and tatoos but balking on
the slut-puppy look. (What's with the 'boy toy' 'angel' and 'red hots'
T-shirts in sizes for 12 year olds, anyway? But that's an old old
thread.) I'm still trying to have my daughters dress like little girls
(who climb trees, bike, whatnot) and having a beloved (female, role
model) teacher who wore sexually provocative clothing would, for me, be
over my comfort line. Can't tell if this was the style of dress of the
OP's teachers...

Caledonia

"dragonlady" wrote in message
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In article ,
"bizby40" wrote:

why? are bellies that taboo in society currently?
most summer jobs, especially in childcare, are minimum wage.
yes, in that situation i *do* think it's too much to expect
they should buy special clothes for work. when i was working
summers, it was because i needed that money for next semester,
not to buy clothes. YMMV, i suppose.

If they don't have any appropriate clothing and can't or
won't get any, then they might just have to look for a
more suitable job.

Keeping in mind that the OP said she complained and the owner did
nothing, one must assume that these young women are NOT dressed in a way
that their boss finds inappropriate -- so they already have a suitable
job.

I didn't see the clothes, but I know how completely differently my MIL
and I react to the same things: something I might think is kind of
cute, she might think is completely slutty. So, short of posting
pictures, there's know way for me to know whether *I* would think the
young women were dressed inappropriately -- and, if their boss doesn't
have a problem with it, then the OPs choices are to live with it or find
somewhere else for her chidren to be.

Yeah, this is about where I am. I don't know whether or not
I'd find the originally described attire offensive or not, but I
can imagine someone's dress going "over the line" enough for
me to complain about it. But, of course, if the owner chooses
to do nothing, then there is nothing she can do about it.

Bizby

--
Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care

"Ericka Kammerer" wrote in message
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Barbara Bomberger wrote:


But the OPs objection was to the style, not to the function. And
wearing a shirt short enough to show a belly button does NOT mean that
when you stretch your hands up, you automatically show everything.
Goodness, if it did, I would be in trouble, as I dress on the "liberal
side" I guess. And I'm an old woman.

. For every parent who's cool with midriff
baring tops, low cut pants, and mini skirts, there'll be another
who isn't keen on that role model for her preschool-aged daughter

Do pre-school kids really want to wear the same clothes as their teacher?
I've never come across that. To my preschooler the only thing that matters
is that her clothes are pink ;-P Anyone over about 12 is too old to worry
about what they wear.
Piercings are another matter, but parents can always say no.
Debbie

Welches wrote:

"Ericka Kammerer" wrote in message
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Barbara Bomberger wrote:



But the OPs objection was to the style, not to the function. And
wearing a shirt short enough to show a belly button does NOT mean that
when you stretch your hands up, you automatically show everything.
Goodness, if it did, I would be in trouble, as I dress on the "liberal
side" I guess. And I'm an old woman.

. For every parent who's cool with midriff
baring tops, low cut pants, and mini skirts, there'll be another
who isn't keen on that role model for her preschool-aged daughter

Do pre-school kids really want to wear the same clothes as their teacher?

It's not so much that the child will want to wear the same
clothes right then. It's more that the teacher sets an expectation
for what is appropriate attire in a given set of circumstances.
Children are exposed to a wide variety of influences. I can't do
a lot about most of them, but I can ensure that the modeling they
see at home reinforces what I believe to be appropriate behaviors,
and I would certainly want at least the teachers at school to be
modeling what I would consider appropriate behaviors.
Actually, it occurs to me to wonder whether those who are
accepting of these clothing choices for a preschool would be
equally accepting of the same clothing on, say, an elementary
school teacher or a high school teacher? And if not, why not?

Best wishes,
Ericka