| Teen faces expulsion and felony for loaning girlfriend medicine

Greg Hanson wrote:

Donna Metler wrote

If my child has life threatening athsma, you'd better
believe that I'm going to make sure she has an inhaler
on her person, that there's one stored at the school
in the nurse's office, and, if she's in a grade level
where she's with one teacher most of the time, that
there's one in the teacher's desk, labeled for her.

Greg wrote
ILLEGAL.
What makes you think it's LEGAL to keep prescription
medication in the teachers desk in a school?

Because it is LEGAL for a teacher to keep rescue medications when
children are too young to be responsible for the medication themselves.
For older children, the medication may be kept on their person. I've
taught young children in public schools. I've carried asthma inhalers
and kits for children with life threatening allergies.

LaVonne wrote
I would do the same thing!

Greg wrote
ILLEGAL.
When you get really happy about "letter of the law"
I just love to see you hoisted by your own petard.

Sorry, Greg. It is LEGAL.

It just goes to show that the pitfall traps of
zero-tolerance can even trip up an ""expert"".

Sorry, Greg. It is LEGAL. You are simply mistaken here.

LaVonne

Kane wrote:

On 13 Oct 2003 01:21:54 -0700, (Greg Hanson)
wrote:

Donna Metler wrote
If my child has life threatening athsma, you'd better
believe that I'm going to make sure she has an inhaler
on her person, that there's one stored at the school
in the nurse's office, and, if she's in a grade level
where she's with one teacher most of the time, that
there's one in the teacher's desk, labeled for her.

Greg wrote
ILLEGAL.

No it's not.

You are correct. It is not illegal, as Greg has claimed nearly a dozen
times a half dozen or so posts.

What makes you think it's LEGAL to keep prescription
medication in the teachers desk in a school?

I can give my prescription medication to anyone to hold for me. It is
illegal from them to use it for ANY PURPOSE other than to adminster to
me. It is illegal for me to let them with my knowledge and permission.

But it's not illegal for the teacher to hold. She has the legal status
as my representative, in loco parentis, do act on my behalf pertaining
to my child.

Teach better lock the drawer though or place it in her locked little
pin money box.... all teacher had that capacity when I was a kid and I
assume still get a lockable desk or container these days.

If there is a school nurse or person designated to administer
medications, that is the individual who keeps the medication. If there
is no person designated to administer medications or if the medication is
considered a rescue medication, (which can hold true for asthma
inhalers), the teacher keeps it in a locked container or desk, or on her
person when the child is very young or when the children and teacher are
away from the classroom.

For some reason, Greg continues to make the same mistaken claims, over
and over again. Oh, well.

LaVonne

That is all propaganda created by the germ-a-phobes. The same people who
brought us antibacterial soap. What they do not understand is when you
shelter yourself from germs your only weakening you immune system. Studies
have shown that children who are exposed to germs from other children when
they are young are less likely to develop a asthma. I think however its safe
to say that it is not a good idea to allow children to share a asthma
inhailer, but if they do and its for a good reason so what! Get over it!
Good point bobb


"bobb" wrote in message
k.net...

"Donna Metler" wrote in message
...
Oh, and one more thing which hasn't been pointed out yet. Inhalers
require
mouth contact, which means that by using another child's inhaler, the
child
is possibly being exposed to various infectious diseases.

What happened to the time when it was common and popular to share a soft
drink bottle or can? Fact is, I saw two boys sharing a soda at the 7-11.

Hmm... I once read that kissing spread disease, too. A jokster added..
he
merely stopped reading, instead.

I'm also told many people use their lips and tongues on other various
parts
of the body, too. So much for disease, huh?

bobb



While in this case
the two children had almost certainly had mouth-to-mouth contact, this
is
another reason to restrict use of an inhaler to the person for which it
was
intended. I can't imagine passing an inhaler around is sanitary.

Bottom line-if your child needs medication, MAKE SURE they have the
medication. Period.

Give me a break LaVonne! The chances of anyone dieing from two shots from a
Inhaler is next to none. Do you think a doctor can tell if someone is
allergic to a particular drug? No he prescribes it and if they have a
reaction they then learn that they are allergic to it. Also do you think
that student knew having suffered from asthma for years rather or not she
was allergic to that type of inhaler? I'm sick of hearing the what ifs from
anal retentive people. I can't go to the movies tonight because; what if I
get into a wreak or what if I get robed? Bottom line nothing happen. If
that student didn't give his girlfriend the inhaler a ambulance would have
needed to be call. I wonder who would have had to pay for that? Thank God
and the school district the charges got dropped! I'm not directing that at
you personally LaVonne, but I'm glade some of the people here are not
prosecutors.

"LaVonne Carlson" wrote in message
...


Donna Metler wrote:

"Greg Hanson" wrote in message
om...
The mother of the girl should sue for medical neglect on the part of
the school, for withholding/delaying inhaler in an asthma attack.

The person who committed medical neglect is the one who neglected to
provide
the girl with her own inhaler to keep on her person. The school is not
required to provide prescription medication.

Not only are schools not required to provide prescription medication,
schools
cannot legally administer prescription medication without a note from a
physician and the child's medication in original packaging.

(Hands in air) "Oh Well, her asthma killed her."
If my child has life threatening athsma, you'd better believe that I'm
going
to make sure she has an inhaler on her person, that there's one stored
at
the school in the nurse's office, and, if she's in a grade level where
she's
with one teacher most of the time, that there's one in the teacher's
desk,
labeled for her.

I would do the same thing!

I'm not going to assume there is a child in the next desk who uses the
same
prescription-nor would I expect the teacher to whip out my daughters
inhaler
and give it to another child.

How ridiculous this is. Inhaler prescriptions are different. I wonder
how
Greg would have responded if the child had died from a reaction to an
inhaler
that was not prescribed for the child.

LaVonne

Bravo, Bravo
You have to remember bobb the average person is stupid or should I say
dummied down.


some common sense instead of stupid law and apply intent instead of zero
tolerance.

We are considered a stupid people being ruled by those even more so.

bobb

I agree Doan. Kane was never spanked, either was Ivan and Steve. They are or
were some of the biggest assholes on these groups.

"Doan" wrote in message
...

On 13 Oct 2003, Kane wrote:

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:18:34 +0200, Barbara Bomberger
wrote:

snipping all the bushwah from Greegor the Whore............

A perfect example of how a "never-spanked" boy turned out.
I wonder how LaVonne feel if her children started calling
other women "smelly ****" and "Whore"?

Doan

Hey Banty,
Just out of curiosity were you spanked as a child?

"Banty" wrote in message
...
In article , Robyn Kozierok
says...

In article ,
Kane wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:18:34 +0200, Barbara Bomberger
wrote:

snipping all the bushwah from Greegor the Whore............


On 13 Oct 2003 04:37:48 -0700, (Kane)
wrote:



It sure isn't if the nurse or others call for an EMT wagon, and
administer any first aid available to choking victims. I'm not going
to list any here for asthma, but nurses know them, or better.

The only cure for an asthma attack is pretty much an inhaler, or an
injection of something like ephinephrine. The chances, in a sever
case, of a child making it until the EMT wagon came with the shot is
pretty slim. The chances of the school nurse having the drug is even
slimmer.

My adult step daughter is an asthma victim. When she was young I
certainly did check if they epi sticks available for emergency use.
They do and registered nurses (which I believe all school nurses were
at time) and trained PNs (my mother) could administer.

Allergic reactions can kill in minutes, just like asthma..that's why
epi kits are much more common than you think.

Where did you get the idea a school nurse wouldn't have emergency med
supplies? What would be the point of having a school nurse without
them?

I've never known of a school that kept epi on hand for general use.
Children who were known to need it could have their own epi kept at
school for their use, of course (on their person, in the classroom,
or in the nurse's office according to need and policy).

--Robyn

Right.

Nurses do not prescribe medicines. So they cannot keep epi 'on hand' for
any
random student. They may keep non-prescription benedryl on hand. They
also
will call paramedics, who can use certain medicines. They can keep
medicines
prescribed by a physician *for an individual student* for that student,
with
appropirate written authorization.

These folks who think students can or even should trade pescription
medicines on
each others' recognizance, and that nurses keep an in-house ER stock,
clearly
haven't come into contact with the medical profession in any cognizant
manner.

Banty

In article , billy f says...

Hey Banty,
Just out of curiosity were you spanked as a child?

LOL!

"billy f" wrote in message
m...
Give me a break LaVonne! The chances of anyone dieing from two shots from
a
Inhaler is next to none. Do you think a doctor can tell if someone is
allergic to a particular drug? No he prescribes it and if they have a
reaction they then learn that they are allergic to it. Also do you think
that student knew having suffered from asthma for years rather or not she
was allergic to that type of inhaler? I'm sick of hearing the what ifs
from
anal retentive people. I can't go to the movies tonight because; what if I
get into a wreak or what if I get robed? Bottom line nothing happen. If
that student didn't give his girlfriend the inhaler a ambulance would have
needed to be call. I wonder who would have had to pay for that? Thank God
and the school district the charges got dropped! I'm not directing that at
you personally LaVonne, but I'm glade some of the people here are not
prosecutors.

I ain't gonna worry about something that might happen... cuz it didn't. Of
course, CPS, now worry about the 'mights' and 'ifs' with a probablity
rating of almost nil, nadda, zero.

Hmmm.. why should it be either legal, or illegal, for a teacher to keep a
child's supply of medications in their desks? It's really about morality.
The child should have his/her own medicatioins on their persons just as they
would while not in school. A teacher or school nurse might have extra
medications, but only to be used in case the child forgot to bring
medication from home...much like the forgotten lunch, homework paper, or
book. Just like adults in a rush, kids do not always think of
everything.

We need to get rid of stupid laws.

bobb






"LaVonne Carlson" wrote in message
...


Donna Metler wrote:

"Greg Hanson" wrote in message
om...
The mother of the girl should sue for medical neglect on the part of
the school, for withholding/delaying inhaler in an asthma attack.

The person who committed medical neglect is the one who neglected to
provide
the girl with her own inhaler to keep on her person. The school is not
required to provide prescription medication.

Not only are schools not required to provide prescription medication,
schools
cannot legally administer prescription medication without a note from a
physician and the child's medication in original packaging.

(Hands in air) "Oh Well, her asthma killed her."
If my child has life threatening athsma, you'd better believe that I'm
going
to make sure she has an inhaler on her person, that there's one stored
at
the school in the nurse's office, and, if she's in a grade level where
she's
with one teacher most of the time, that there's one in the teacher's
desk,
labeled for her.

I would do the same thing!

I'm not going to assume there is a child in the next desk who uses the
same
prescription-nor would I expect the teacher to whip out my daughters
inhaler
and give it to another child.

How ridiculous this is. Inhaler prescriptions are different. I wonder
how
Greg would have responded if the child had died from a reaction to an
inhaler
that was not prescribed for the child.

LaVonne

"billy f" wrote in message
om...
That is all propaganda created by the germ-a-phobes. The same people who
brought us antibacterial soap.

Fact is, antibacterial soaps were taken off the market about 20 years ago
because of a number of studies. They were only recently brought back again
and I'm wondering why. Seems like study after study is over-turned. Today
it's good/bad.. tomorrow is bad/good. Good reason to quit reading cuz when
it comes to the government studies, ignorance is bliss.

What they do not understand is when you
shelter yourself from germs your only weakening you immune system. Studies
have shown that children who are exposed to germs from other children when
they are young are less likely to develop a asthma. I think however its
safe
to say that it is not a good idea to allow children to share a asthma
inhailer, but if they do and its for a good reason so what! Get over it!

Not just asthma.. there are a number of immunities that develop due to
early exposure of germs.. I really have to wonder why so much attention is
given to food preparation..such as chicken. Years ago, one may have brought
the live chicken inside and wrung it's neck. The sideboards and counter-tops
were not much more than pine boards which were hardly favorable for
cleanliness. Cold water from a cistern pump may have been the only in-door
plumbing for washing. People worry about bathrooms yet many still use the
less than spic-n-span ole two-holer. Ohmygosh.. I just happened to think
about privicacy. Two people using a toliet at the same time! How uncool
that is today.

Good point bobb


"bobb" wrote in message
k.net...

"Donna Metler" wrote in message
...
Oh, and one more thing which hasn't been pointed out yet. Inhalers
require
mouth contact, which means that by using another child's inhaler, the
child
is possibly being exposed to various infectious diseases.

What happened to the time when it was common and popular to share a soft
drink bottle or can? Fact is, I saw two boys sharing a soda at the
7-11.

Hmm... I once read that kissing spread disease, too. A jokster added..
he
merely stopped reading, instead.

I'm also told many people use their lips and tongues on other various
parts
of the body, too. So much for disease, huh?

bobb



While in this case
the two children had almost certainly had mouth-to-mouth contact, this
is
another reason to restrict use of an inhaler to the person for which
it
was
intended. I can't imagine passing an inhaler around is sanitary.

Bottom line-if your child needs medication, MAKE SURE they have the
medication. Period.