Water has memory, validating homeopathy

"Bob Officer" -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in message ...
On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 08:04:10 +0000 (UTC), in misc.health.alternative,
Steelclaws wrote:

Bob Officer -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in
m:

Sorry, Hans is a mediocre writer at best. The story lacks facts and
substance and Evidence.

So that makes you a clown.

PRojection Carole. All I ask for is evidence, and there is none.
Stories are not Evidence. Now if the story was backed by maybe a Hand
written note signed by Rockefeller or even a directive or letter of
agreement on Rockefeller Corporate Stationary signed by an employee
of Rockefeller.

All you have is mere-say. And mere-say is not ever considered
evidence. This is called the Empty Hand Syndrome. You got nothing, no
matter how much you wave those hands. (at least a clown is funny.)

Well, if someone wrote it, published it in either printed or online form
and it appears to support carole's assumptions, that's good enough for
her. She does not appear to do any validity checks.

Or checks with circular sources

Look at how many people have taken what Rense has on his pages about
Rife's Microscopes being vandalized, and his notes destroyed, when he
notes are on the web and account of all his microscopes state he
cannibalized them to build other microscopes.

Whatever the truth of it is, we do know that Fishbein tried to buy the microscope and that when Rife wouldn't
sell it, that's when things went bad for Rife.
The details might be a bit fuzzy but the overall story isn't.
Any inventor who comes up with a cure that threatens big pharma gets put out of business.

--
Carole
www.conspiracee.com
Bob Officer finally admits it -"I am a tool"
http://groups.google.com.au/group/mi...ss+epidemic%22

"Steelclaws" wrote in message
4.39...
Bob Officer -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in
:

On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 08:04:10 +0000 (UTC), in misc.health.alternative,
Steelclaws wrote:

Well, if someone wrote it, published it in either printed or online
form
and it appears to support carole's assumptions, that's good enough for
her. She does not appear to do any validity checks.

Or checks with circular sources

Yep, I've noticed that. Sometimes the sites she uses in an attempt to
back her claims up quote the original nonsense word-perfect.

Whereas your explanations depend on the body of science which is like a type of concensus rather than science.


Look at how many people have taken what Rense has on his pages about
Rife's Microscopes being vandalized, and his notes destroyed, when he
notes are on the web and account of all his microscopes state he
cannibalized them to build other microscopes.

Yes, that was rather noticeable.

--
There's this thing called being so open-minded your brains drop
out. -Richard Dawkins

Alternatively, you can have a mind closed tighter than a fish's arse where nothing can penetrate.

--
Carole
www.conspiracee.com
Bob Officer finally admits it -"I am a tool"
http://groups.google.com.au/group/mi...ss+epidemic%22

"Steelclaws" wrote in message
4.39...
"carole" wrote in
ond.com:

And as for homeopathy working, mind explaining to me why people who
rely
on homeopathic preparations to prevent malaria end up catching it?

Wrong preparation?

Every homeopathic preparation to prevent malaria appears to be
"wrong" then. People who rely on those get dangerously ill of
malaria. http://whatstheharm.net/newsarchive/...Podgorsek.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ht/5178122.stm

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/lif...article6406213.
ec e

No, and people dying of cancer doesn't stop the oncologists of
fleecing people of their money either.

False analogy.

"Looking at all cancers combined the five-year relative survival rate
has now reached 50%. The survival rate in women (56%) is higher than
that in men (43%) and this is also the case for ten-year rates (39%
vs.52%)."
http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/can...l/latestrates/

Homeopathic malaria prevention is still batting zero.

yes, but allopathic is batting zero on chronic diseases like ms, diabetes, alzheimers and asthma.
And with cancer, we know the stats are rigged - its 5 years survival from the time a person is diagnosed, so
earlier diagnosis makes the figures look better.
If alternative medicine wasn't suppressed there would probably be 100% cancer survival but the pharm cartel
has to make people afraid so they will be more prepared to cough up the cash for treatments.


Even the more responsible homeopaths - see that last link for one -
advise against it, but that does not stop homeoquacks fleecing their
dupes of their money and health.

Yes, but the rockefeller business with pharmaceuticals had $100m to spend on promoting his drugs to medical
colleges in 1904 which really got his leg in the door.


In a way you are correct: homeopathy is the propaganda. Not a
single properly conducted test has ever been able to show that it
has the slightest effect that would be distinguishable from
placebo.

I find that hard to believe.

Try reading some research articles on the topic.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20402610
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20233176
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20223686
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19887810
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17943868
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16125589

Anything put out by the NIH is propaganda since the government bodies
are infiltrated with pharmaceutical dupes.

And your _valid_ evidence for that claim would be?

Burton Goldberg couldn't put it any better when he says -

http://www.burtongoldberg.com/page43.html

I'm seriously not interested in someone who is trying to huckster his
worthless books says to denigrate the competition.

And then there is the little matter of how Australia's PBAC (pharm benefits advisory committee) got fired and
replaced with new more pharmaceutical friendly people to increase spending on pharm drugs.
And the way that Pan was put out of business was high handed and didn't add up.


Choose one -- propaganda (allopathic) or truth (alternative).
Head up your arse (allopathic) or enlightened user (alternative).

Fallacy of excluded middle. Not to mention a typical woo believer
lie.

Woo is allopathic which is no.1 cause of death in US.

Do you know why Gary Null keeps repeating that lie? He's peddling his
woo products and feels the need to denigrate competition. Now, what's
your motive for repeating the lie?

Unlike allopathic which peddles its poo products.

Pharmaceuticals have a proven physiological effect, woo crap products do
not - apart from when they poison the poor saps who take those. Btw, do
you remember when Gary Null managed to get poisoned by the stuff he
peddles? Now that was a fitting reward for him.
http://tinyurl.com/3yzn99y

Yes, pharmaceutical drugs are just so efficient - that's why they contribute to making allopathic the leading
cause of death in the US.
Yes, Gary Null took too much vit D. Nothing like the amount of adverse side effects with big pharma's crap.



--
Their sugar pills contain nothing and they won't poison your
body. The greater danger is that they poison your mind. -David
Colquhoun on homeopathy

Don't know David Colquhoun but obviously he isn't a great thinker.

Demonstrably better thinker than you. He's the professor of
pharmacology at University College London.

Oh diddums. I douibt it.
Anybody who thinks allopathic medicine can cure chronic disease can't
be too bright.

Where did that 'chronic' come from? It certainly was nowhere in the
actual discussion. Stop reading more into things that are there - oh
hell, sorry, that's your SOP as a conspiracy kook.

Any discussion about health invariably brings up disease -- chronic is long-term and ongoing disease.
Not really OT.


--
The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that
they know so much that ain't so. -Josh Billings

You should take note of the above quote yourself.

I have. You haven't - and that is glaringly obvious.

The only thing you have convinced me is that science is a committee where concensus is the guiding code.
People get ex-communicated if they don't obey the rules - like dr simoncini - on some cooked up pretext or
other.
Only those who fit in and don't rock the boat get to stay.


--
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and
I'm not sure about the universe. -Albert Einstein

Are you thinking about yourself when you quote Einstein, or maybe bob?


--
Carole
www.conspiracee.com
"For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy
that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of
invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice.

It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit,
highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political
operations.

Its preparations are concealed, not published.
Its mistakes are buried, not headlined.
Its dissenters are silenced, not praised.
No expenditure is questioned, no secret is revealed.

That is why the Athenian lawmaker Solon decreed it a crime for any citizen to shrink from controversy.
I am asking your help in the tremendous task of alerting the people." --President Kennedy

"carole" wrote in
nd.com:

Well, if someone wrote it, published it in either printed or online
form and it appears to support carole's assumptions, that's good
enough for her. She does not appear to do any validity checks.

Yes, I compare writings to others.

I've yet to see you to show any evidence that you'd compare the sites
you post to those that disagree with them or show that their claims are
baseless.

--
There are three kinds of medicine: medicine that has been
scientifically validated to work, medicine that has not, and
medicine that has been scientifically shown not to work. -Orac

And medicine that has had rigged studies and medicine that is
suppressed and the inventors labeled as quacks. Absolutely all sorts.

Present _valid_ evidence for your claims. Also present _valid_ evidence
that quackery works in anything else than relieving their dupes from
their cash.

--
The concepts of orthomolecular medicine are not biologically
plausible and not supported by the results of rigorous clinical
trials. These problems are compounded by the fact that
orthomolecular medicine can cause harm and is often very
expensive. -Simon Singh and Edzard Ernst

"carole" wrote in
nd.com:

Well, if someone wrote it, published it in either printed or online
form
and it appears to support carole's assumptions, that's good enough
for her. She does not appear to do any validity checks.

Or checks with circular sources

Yep, I've noticed that. Sometimes the sites she uses in an attempt to
back her claims up quote the original nonsense word-perfect.

Whereas your explanations depend on the body of science which is like
a type of concensus rather than science.

Science does not work on consensus, for heaven's sake! Anyone who makes
that claim does not have the faintest clue about real science. Science
works on evidence.

There's this thing called being so open-minded your brains drop
out. -Richard Dawkins

Alternatively, you can have a mind closed tighter than a fish's arse
where nothing can penetrate.

That's what you once said you have - and I can quote your message on
that, if need be.

--
Alternative diets are burdened with the risk of malnutrition and
have not been shown to be effective for any condition. Our
advice is to stay well clear of them. -Simon Singh and Edzard Ernst

"carole" wrote in
ond.com:

Wrong preparation?

Every homeopathic preparation to prevent malaria appears to be
"wrong" then. People who rely on those get dangerously ill of
malaria. http://whatstheharm.net/newsarchive/...Podgorsek.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ht/5178122.stm


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/lif...article6406213.
ec e

No, and people dying of cancer doesn't stop the oncologists of
fleecing people of their money either.

False analogy.

"Looking at all cancers combined the five-year relative survival rate
has now reached 50%. The survival rate in women (56%) is higher than
that in men (43%) and this is also the case for ten-year rates (39%
vs.52%)."
http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/can...l/latestrates/

Homeopathic malaria prevention is still batting zero.

yes, but allopathic is batting zero on chronic diseases like ms,
diabetes, alzheimers and asthma.

Real medicine can at least offer palliative medication for those
conditions. What does "alternative medicine" have? Nothing but placebos.

And with cancer, we know the stats
are rigged - its 5 years survival from the time a person is diagnosed,
so earlier diagnosis makes the figures look better.

Try actually reading what is being posted.

"and this is also the case for ten-year rates (39% vs.52%)"

Besides, "we" know nothing of the kind - what you imagine is your
business.

If alternative medicine wasn't suppressed there would probably be 100%
cancer survival

Present proper evidence for that claim - not that you ever can. There
are enough poor unfortunates who have resorted to cancer frauds like the
late and not one bit lamented Hulda Clark. E-mail some of the crooks who
huckster their "therapy" and ask what the survival rate of their
patients are.

but the pharm cartel has to make people afraid so they
will be more prepared to cough up the cash for treatments.

********.

It's usually the cancer crooks like Clark who try to scare their marks
off conventional treatment.

Even the more responsible homeopaths - see that last link for one -
advise against it, but that does not stop homeoquacks fleecing their
dupes of their money and health.

Yes, but the rockefeller business with pharmaceuticals had $100m to
spend on promoting his drugs to medical colleges in 1904 which really
got his leg in the door.

Not interested in that fantasy novel - and won't accept any of its
unbacked claims - not until some evidence crops up to back them up.

Try reading some research articles on the topic.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20402610
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20233176
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20223686
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19887810
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17943868
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16125589

Anything put out by the NIH is propaganda since the government
bodies are infiltrated with pharmaceutical dupes.

And your _valid_ evidence for that claim would be?

Burton Goldberg couldn't put it any better when he says -

http://www.burtongoldberg.com/page43.html

I'm seriously not interested in someone who is trying to huckster his
worthless books says to denigrate the competition.

And then there is the little matter of how Australia's PBAC (pharm
benefits advisory committee) got fired and replaced with new more
pharmaceutical friendly people to increase spending on pharm drugs.
And the way that Pan was put out of business was high handed and
didn't add up.

Pan got caught for dangerously bad quality control - and was slapped for
that.

Pharmaceuticals have a proven physiological effect, woo crap products
do not - apart from when they poison the poor saps who take those.
Btw, do you remember when Gary Null managed to get poisoned by the
stuff he peddles? Now that was a fitting reward for him.
http://tinyurl.com/3yzn99y

Yes, pharmaceutical drugs are just so efficient - that's why they
contribute to making allopathic the leading cause of death in the US.

Don't you ever get tired of lying? No matter how many times you repeat
that lie, it won't make it true.

Yes, Gary Null took too much vit D. Nothing like the amount of adverse
side effects with big pharma's crap.

I don't recall having ANY side effects from any medication I've ever
had.

--
The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that
they know so much that ain't so. -Josh Billings

You should take note of the above quote yourself.

I have. You haven't - and that is glaringly obvious.

The only thing you have convinced me is that science is a committee
where concensus is the guiding code.

********. Science works on evidence alone.

People get ex-communicated if
they don't obey the rules - like dr simoncini - on some cooked up
pretext or other.

Simoncini's fantasies about cancer being caused by fungi are dismissed
for the lack of evidence, and that's how it should be.

Only those who fit in and don't rock the boat get to stay.

Nonsense. Controversial theories are accepted, if the evidence backs
them. That's what happened with plate tectonics and H. pylori causing
stomach ulcers.

--
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and
I'm not sure about the universe. -Albert Einstein

Are you thinking about yourself when you quote Einstein, or maybe bob?

No, I'm thinking of the woo believers.

--
Anecdotes are useless precisely because they may point to
idiosyncratic responses. -Author Unknown

"Bob Officer" -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in message ...
On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 05:27:42 +1100, in misc.health.alternative,
"carole" wrote:

"Steelclaws" wrote in message
. 214.39...
Bob Officer -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in
:

On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 08:04:10 +0000 (UTC), in misc.health.alternative,
Steelclaws wrote:

Well, if someone wrote it, published it in either printed or online
form
and it appears to support carole's assumptions, that's good enough for
her. She does not appear to do any validity checks.

Or checks with circular sources

Yep, I've noticed that. Sometimes the sites she uses in an attempt to
back her claims up quote the original nonsense word-perfect.

Whereas your explanations depend on the body of science which is like a type of concensus rather than
science.

Carole, science is not done by consensus. Do you understand what the
word means. you can have a consensus of opinions, by science is
operated by evidence not opinions.


Look at how many people have taken what Rense has on his pages about
Rife's Microscopes being vandalized, and his notes destroyed, when he
notes are on the web and account of all his microscopes state he
cannibalized them to build other microscopes.

Yes, that was rather noticeable.

--
There's this thing called being so open-minded your brains drop
out. -Richard Dawkins

Alternatively, you can have a mind closed tighter than a fish's arse where nothing can penetrate.

Which is something you said before... much to the laughter which
resulted.

That would be laughter at your stupidity for those who may have missed it.

--
Carole
www.conspiracee.com
Bob Officer finally admits it -"I am a tool"
http://groups.google.com.au/group/mi...ss+epidemic%22

"Steelclaws" wrote in message
4.39...
"carole" wrote in
nd.com:

Well, if someone wrote it, published it in either printed or online
form
and it appears to support carole's assumptions, that's good enough
for her. She does not appear to do any validity checks.

Or checks with circular sources

Yep, I've noticed that. Sometimes the sites she uses in an attempt to
back her claims up quote the original nonsense word-perfect.

Whereas your explanations depend on the body of science which is like
a type of concensus rather than science.

Science does not work on consensus, for heaven's sake! Anyone who makes
that claim does not have the faintest clue about real science. Science
works on evidence.

There is science and scientism which works on concensus. What you biased lot of sceptics talk about is
scientism.
Look it up.


There's this thing called being so open-minded your brains drop
out. -Richard Dawkins

Alternatively, you can have a mind closed tighter than a fish's arse
where nothing can penetrate.

That's what you once said you have - and I can quote your message on
that, if need be.

That won't be necessary.
You lot have minds closed tighter than fishes arses, with preconceived ideas and bias.

--
Carole
www.conspiracee.com
Bob Officer finally admits it -"I am a tool"
http://groups.google.com.au/group/mi...ss+epidemic%22

"Bob Officer" -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in message ...
On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:05:43 +0000 (UTC), in misc.health.alternative,
Steelclaws wrote:

"carole" wrote in
pond.com:

Well, if someone wrote it, published it in either printed or online
form
and it appears to support carole's assumptions, that's good enough
for her. She does not appear to do any validity checks.

Or checks with circular sources

Yep, I've noticed that. Sometimes the sites she uses in an attempt to
back her claims up quote the original nonsense word-perfect.

Whereas your explanations depend on the body of science which is like
a type of concensus rather than science.

Science does not work on consensus, for heaven's sake! Anyone who makes
that claim does not have the faintest clue about real science. Science
works on evidence.

She doesn't understand anything it seems.

I understand plenty ...you used to have a signature where you promoted skeptism ...obviously you are
embarrassed now to admit it and your latest signature is distract while you work out how to cover yourself,
since you like to promote yourself as not having preconceptions or bias.


There's this thing called being so open-minded your brains drop
out. -Richard Dawkins

Alternatively, you can have a mind closed tighter than a fish's arse
where nothing can penetrate.

That's what you once said you have - and I can quote your message on
that, if need be.

How quickly she forgets. That's why I suspected cannabis abuse.

And you with your cupboard drinking would like to put the suspicion to somebody else of course.


--
Carole
www.conspiracee.com
Bob Officer finally admits it -"I am a tool"
http://groups.google.com.au/group/mi...ss+epidemic%22

"Bob Officer" -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in message ...
On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 05:25:11 +1100, in misc.health.alternative,
"carole" wrote:


"Bob Officer" -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in message ...
On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 08:04:10 +0000 (UTC), in misc.health.alternative,
Steelclaws wrote:

Bob Officer -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in
m:

Sorry, Hans is a mediocre writer at best. The story lacks facts and
substance and Evidence.

So that makes you a clown.

PRojection Carole. All I ask for is evidence, and there is none.
Stories are not Evidence. Now if the story was backed by maybe a Hand
written note signed by Rockefeller or even a directive or letter of
agreement on Rockefeller Corporate Stationary signed by an employee
of Rockefeller.

All you have is mere-say. And mere-say is not ever considered
evidence. This is called the Empty Hand Syndrome. You got nothing, no
matter how much you wave those hands. (at least a clown is funny.)

Well, if someone wrote it, published it in either printed or online form
and it appears to support carole's assumptions, that's good enough for
her. She does not appear to do any validity checks.

Or checks with circular sources

Look at how many people have taken what Rense has on his pages about
Rife's Microscopes being vandalized, and his notes destroyed, when he
notes are on the web and account of all his microscopes state he
cannibalized them to build other microscopes.

Whatever the truth of it is, we do know that Fishbein tried to buy the microscope and that when Rife
wouldn't
sell it, that's when things went bad for Rife.

No Carole, Rife sold at least 3 of 5 (or 6) his microscopes. he
cannibalized several (According to his own hand written notes and
notes of his emplyees) to build newer instruments because when
outside tests were run they didn't work as claimed.

Things went bad when he started to sell medical devices which didn't
work. That's called medical fraud, Carole.

No bob, that's not the impression I get. His offsider was jailed for heavens sake ...a typical way to deal
with pharmaceutical dissenters.
You should do a little more research as you haven't got to the truth of the matter yet.


The details might be a bit fuzzy but the overall story isn't.

That's right. Rife was a simple machinist. He did built fine optical
controls. For example: his slide holder could be used make to fine
and repeatable counts and measurements. One could look on the Vernier
of the control mechanism and precise tell where something was on the
slide. If you needed to refer to the specimen you could go directly
back to the same spot.

Again, not the impression I get. You forget that he was able to view pleomorphism of bacteria in their living
state. Also worked out the vibrations of many diseases including cancer, cured a lot of cancer victims 100%
accuracy.
Once more you need to do more research as your bias and preconceptions are showing.


Any inventor who comes up with a cure that threatens big pharma gets put out of business.

Provided the cure works, his didn't.

Look up the word "propaganda" --I think you'll find that spin and manipulation of facts are other search
terms.


--
Carole
www.conspiracee.com
Bob Officer finally admits it -"I am a tool"
http://groups.google.com.au/group/mi...ss+epidemic%22