| Ultimate abuse-16 & 17 yo olds may be put to death

On 17 May 2004 13:22:58 GMT, (Fern5827) wrote:

Should you have problems with families spanking, perhaps you would
wish to
redirect your energies toward the USSC which still permits states to
execute
some 16 and 17 year old for certain offenses.

We should leave smaller evils alone because we aren't attacking the
larger evils? How do you know we aren't attacking them ALL when we
attack the concept of subjecting little children to pain,
deliberately?

This is tantamount to arguing that because it rains about 5% of the
time, on average, we really don't need an umbrella.

Or that because a few criminals use guns in their crimes all citizens
must give up their guns.

And it's just as dangerous to assume that parents NOT being subject to
laws against child abuse would choose to not abuse.

Shall we stop complaining about and directing our energies to bad
plumbing because there are states that execute children?

Yet, most of the folk on this NG derive income from providing
services to
spanking parents.

Well, I see four educators posting here to aps. I guess you could, if
you stretched it given that "94% of parents admit to spanking at least
once," as you said in a previous post, make that argument.

It would mean that 94% of the four educators have class attendees who
were likely spanked. Yep, Yew made THAT connection alright.

Which posters am I missing here?

They dare not bite the hand that feeds them.

So who are these folks posting to aps that are, outside of the dubious
connection educators have to your claim, that are not biting the hand
that feeds them?

Fact is, Ficus, Yew are just babbling your usual lies again.

Have another tipple of Liquid Fertilizer. It will mellow you out and
put some rigidity in your Stalk.

Kane

Kane wrote:
: On 17 May 2004 13:22:58 GMT, (Fern5827) wrote:

[snip]
:Yet, most of the folk on this NG derive income from providing
: services to
:spanking parents.

: Well, I see four educators posting here to aps. I guess you could, if
: you stretched it given that "94% of parents admit to spanking at least
: once," as you said in a previous post, make that argument.

: It would mean that 94% of the four educators have class attendees who
: were likely spanked. Yep, Yew made THAT connection alright.

Some of my students are parents, and I know some of them spank. One
mother told me she gave up spanking after listening to my lecture about
the S2/S3 spinal nerves which innervate both the genitals and buttocks,
and how this may relate to fetishes.

: Which posters am I missing here?

Good question.


:They dare not bite the hand that feeds them.

: So who are these folks posting to aps that are, outside of the dubious
: connection educators have to your claim, that are not biting the hand
: that feeds them?

: Fact is, Ficus, Yew are just babbling your usual lies again.

Well, Fern, that is a pretty serious charge Kane just made. Can you
actually provide some evidence that most of the posters here are making
money in some manner which relates to parental spanking? If you can't
then it would appear that Kane is right about you.

Chris

Chris
wrote in message ...
Some of my students are parents, and I know
some of them spank. One mother told me she
gave up spanking after listening to my
lecture about the S2/S3 spinal nerves
which innervate both the genitals and
buttocks, and how this may relate to fetishes.

What are your qualifications to lecture on
the subject, Chris Dugan? Aside from being
an activist on the political subject?

You're so certain about what you say
that even you make sure to use the word
"may relate to" to cover your own uncertainty.

You get a few people sucking up to your views
and you get a bit carried away by that?

For every person who buys your dreck,
I could come up with a dozen people who
would be vocal about the opposite, actually
blaming sniveling ivory tower twits like
you for our major lack of discipline in
kids today.

On 20 May 2004 09:05:57 -0700, (Greg Hanson)
wrote:

....and I respond:

R R R R ....greegor, imitation is the highest form of flattery.

I'm touched.....R R R R R

But you don't do me nearly as well as I do. The difference is in the
ethics. I'm tell the truth when I call you a scum sucking little liar.

When you attack Chris, you are lying. As usual. Just like your buddy,
Droananator.

Chris
wrote in message ...
Some of my students are parents, and I know
some of them spank. One mother told me she
gave up spanking after listening to my
lecture about the S2/S3 spinal nerves
which innervate both the genitals and
buttocks, and how this may relate to fetishes.

What are your qualifications to lecture on
the subject, Chris Dugan?

What are yours to question his? You are an ass sitter of three long
years practice. He's been actively teaching the whole time and more.

Aside from being
an activist on the political subject?

Gee, does that mean "activists" lie or aren't up on their subject? You
best have a little chat with your buddies that are activists in the
Anti CPS game then.

You're so certain about what you say

He is that. Not many have given it as much thought and study as Chris.

that even you make sure to use the word
"may relate to" to cover your own uncertainty.

"May relate to" is not a sign of his uncertainty, but rather his
observance of academic protocols in lecturing publically.

You get a few people sucking up to your views
and you get a bit carried away by that?

A few? Millions of us do NOT believe in spanking, and among the many
reasons, this is a valid one. Sado/Masochistic walloping of the
buttocks, and variations, are clearly linked to populations that spank
and paddle children as a matter of course. Check out the english
experience with this.

For every person who buys your dreck,

"dreck?" Hey, nice one. I'll steal this first chance I get.

Speaking of "dreck"....

I could come up with a dozen people who
would be vocal about the opposite,

Well, why not list, now that he's come up with ME, your dozen? Go
ahead. We are patient. Take all the time you need. yawn

Then there's Gowtch, a dozen more for you to come up with, and
Lavonne, another dozen, Dreckboy, ...then Alborn, another dozen, and a
few that I'll go back in the archives for, then there's the entire
posting population of the website, Unschoolers for no spanking...I
think twenty of them.....

Care to get started on YOUR list now, little fellah on the couch?

actually
blaming sniveling ivory tower twits

People that don't believe in hitting children are snivelers, eh?

Funny how you have been sniveling and whining for three years now,
after having the child you spanked and punished with cold showers
taken away from you...eh?

like
you for our major lack of discipline in
kids today.

Fact is, there is no major lack of discipline today over any other
time in history. It's all smoke and mirrors, and liars like
you...ignorant putzes like bobb. If teen crime keeps dropping we are
going to have to start calling them saints. The only kids doing crime
seem to be SPANKED KIDS, you silly fool.

Yeah, we've seen the liars like Surgenor, who Chris took to direct
debate exchange and unmercifully exposed as a fact deprived
bull****ter. Surgy threatened him I've heard. Probably just a rumor.

No, greegor, Chris is not posting such information out of ignorance.
This knowledge is medical knowledge with considerable history.

The routing of nerve pathways and their functioning in human reactions
has stopped being a mystery long ago. And I suspect, as brain
functioning and scan studies continue, we will see even more evidence
of the mistaken notion that spanking leads to discipline, and not
injury.

Chris was being objectively reserved as any commentator NOT the
reseacher himself must be when referring to other's findings.

He's a teacher, a college instructor, I believe. That is their style,
if they are any good at their job. No attempt to mislead, in any way,
like your buddies, Douggie and Droaner.

Nice try at being Kane though. R R R R R.....

Keep watching.

Kane

Notice how Fern doesn't respond.

LaVonne

Chris wrote:

Kane wrote:
: On 17 May 2004 13:22:58 GMT, (Fern5827) wrote:

[snip]
:Yet, most of the folk on this NG derive income from providing
: services to
:spanking parents.

: Well, I see four educators posting here to aps. I guess you could, if
: you stretched it given that "94% of parents admit to spanking at least
: once," as you said in a previous post, make that argument.

: It would mean that 94% of the four educators have class attendees who
: were likely spanked. Yep, Yew made THAT connection alright.

Some of my students are parents, and I know some of them spank. One
mother told me she gave up spanking after listening to my lecture about
the S2/S3 spinal nerves which innervate both the genitals and buttocks,
and how this may relate to fetishes.

: Which posters am I missing here?

Good question.


:They dare not bite the hand that feeds them.

: So who are these folks posting to aps that are, outside of the dubious
: connection educators have to your claim, that are not biting the hand
: that feeds them?

: Fact is, Ficus, Yew are just babbling your usual lies again.

Well, Fern, that is a pretty serious charge Kane just made. Can you
actually provide some evidence that most of the posters here are making
money in some manner which relates to parental spanking? If you can't
then it would appear that Kane is right about you.

Chris