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August 30th 03, 06:53 PM
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A Good Man
Women! All those who feel as thought they have been wronged in a
relationship! What kind of man are YOU looking for? Are there any good women out there who would search for a good man, or is it all about "sex" and "money"? Straight Talk: Men - August 11, 2003 Guest Column by Harvey Yoder Macho. Crude. Insensitive. Controlling. Obsessed with sex. These were some of the first responses I got at a recent men's seminar when I asked what they thought society's perceptions were of males. They agreed these unflattering labels weren't true of all men all the time, but admitted that our gender had earned all too many of these negative stereotypes. We men do often behave badly. We leer at women, demean them by focusing on their body parts, and have been known to sometimes use, abuse and abandon them. And as the ultimate insult, more and more men have become addicted to pornography, have become regular supporters of a growing multibillion industry that uses women as moral prostitutes and reduces men to moral adolescents. I'll never forget the advice an older high school teacher once gave: "If you want a good woman, you have to be a good man. It's as simple as that," he said. "So start by listing the good qualities you are looking for, then concentrate on becoming that kind of person yourself, rather than just looking for those traits in someone else." That sounds basic. Just be a good man. You can only deserve the kind of person you are. But what is that kind of person like? For starters, a good man shows a high level of respect--for everyone. He treats women the way he would have other men treat his own daughter, mother or sister. That means seeing them not just as desirable, warm bodies, but as precious human beings with real minds, and with interests and feelings other than about sex. A good man strives to be a good lover, but realizes love has more to do with being patient than being passionate, with being kind and dependable than just amorous in bed. A real man knows real love is more about giving than about getting. A good man is honest. An "I love you" is never used just to get someone to give him what he wants, but is matched by kind, caring behavior in every part of his life. A good man doesn't indulge in pornographic fantasies of artificially endowed models (anorexics with breast implants) dying to have sex with him. He recognizes pornography use as not only infantile but dangerously addictive and downright harmful to relationships. A good man regards each human being as a genuinely beautiful person, not just for their physical shape or appearance, but for who they are as a child of God, a unique individual of incomparable worth. A good man sees sex as a God-given gift meant not only for pleasure, but for uniting one man to one woman "for as long as they both shall live." And, of course, for creating children who can grow up in a stable, loving family. A good man honors his commitments. When he says "for better or for worse," he means it. When he promises "until death do us part," he honors that promise. A good man knows how to be a decent Dad. He takes a strong interest in his children and provides for their physical, emotional and spiritual needs. They are always a number one priority in his life. But is being a good man really possible? Not perfectly, of course, and maybe not always, but it's what God created each of us to be, and what God can enable us to become. And when we fail, as we sometimes do, we are ready to admit it, immediately and honestly. We do whatever it takes to change and to do better, to avoid repeating the same kind of mistakes over and over again. As an imperfect father of two young adult sons, each of them imperfect but good men, and as a father-in-law of another one, I can only say that constantly working at this goal is worth all the effort it takes. The Bible tells the story of David, who when he had committed adultery and then realized the awfulness of what he had done, cried out to God on one of the greatest prayers of repentance in the Bible (Psalm 51). God honored him by calling him a "man after God's own heart." Likewise, God will love and bless us in our pursuit of becoming good men. And our wives, families and friends will forever thank us. 
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September 1st 03, 09:08 AM
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A Good Man
Harvey seems to have been tricked into letting a "good man" be defined by
people with a vested interest in a certain definition. Just like those same people define a "good" boy as a natural one who has been drugged into something which acts more like a girl. Maybe it's time to start delcaring the characteristics of typical girls and women as being "wrong". Women! All those who feel as thought they have been wronged in a relationship! What kind of man are YOU looking for? Are there any good women out there who would search for a good man, or is it all about "sex" and "money"? Straight Talk: Men - August 11, 2003 Guest Column by Harvey Yoder Macho. ************************************* Crude. Insensitive. Controlling. ************************************* I thought this was about men???? The above characteristics are sure found in a lot of women. Obsessed with sex. Is that worse than being obsessed with creating the desire for it in as many men as possible and then laughing as you withhold it? These were some of the first responses I got at a recent men's seminar when I asked what they thought society's perceptions were of males. Unfortunately for society, it's perceptions of males are formulated by a very small group with a big agenda and MUCH to much credibility. They agreed these unflattering labels weren't true of all men all the time, but admitted that our gender had earned all too many of these negative stereotypes. We men do often behave badly. Ah, yes, but do we do so more often than women??? And by whose definitions? We leer at women, Which harms who??? demean them by focusing on their body parts, Men don't focus on women's body parts nearly as often as women do. and have been known to sometimes use, abuse and abandon them. ???? And women DON'T do the same...to men AND to each other??? And as the ultimate insult, more and more men have become addicted to pornography, have become regular supporters of a growing multibillion industry that uses women as moral prostitutes and reduces men to moral adolescents. And is often an industry run by women and making small fortunes for women. AND women are also it's customers. I'll never forget the advice an older high school teacher once gave: "If you want a good woman, you have to be a good man. It's as simple as that," he said. Unfortunately, this advice will do nothing to create a pool of "good" women to pick from. "So start by listing the good qualities you are looking for, then concentrate on becoming that kind of person yourself, rather than just looking for those traits in someone else." That sounds basic. Just be a good man. You can only deserve the kind of person you are. But what is that kind of person like? For starters, a good man shows a high level of respect--for everyone. But why should a person feel obligated to "respect" others who have shown a total lack of respect for others or qualities deserving of respect? He treats women the way he would have other men treat his own daughter, mother or sister. Which earns him frequent kicks in the groin by those women he treats so respectfully... That means seeing them not just as desirable, warm bodies, but as precious human beings with real minds, Even when that is not the case??? Dumb... and with interests and feelings other than about sex. A good man strives to be a good lover, but realizes love has more to do with being patient than being passionate, with being kind and dependable than just amorous in bed. A real man knows real love is more about giving than about getting. And giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, ................. A good man is honest. An "I love you" is never used just to get someone to give him what he wants, but is matched by kind, caring behavior in every part of his life. "If she kicks you while you're down...lick her boot." A good man doesn't indulge in pornographic fantasies of artificially endowed models (anorexics with breast implants) dying to have sex with him. He recognizes pornography use as not only infantile but dangerously addictive and downright harmful to relationships. Yeah. It's best to realise you are stuck with what you got and what she's willing to give you...you must not be allowed to find out that a fantasy may be better than HER reality. A good man regards each human being as a genuinely beautiful person, Now HERE is a circular argument going off the track bigtime. If EACH human being truly IS a "genuinely beautiful person"....what the hell is Harvey bitchin' about???? : ) not just for their physical shape or appearance, but for who they are as a child of God, a unique individual of incomparable worth. A good man sees sex as a God-given gift meant not only for pleasure, but for uniting Awww, poor ignorant Harvey: ************************************************** ************************ ****** one man to one woman "for as long as they both shall live." And, of course, for creating children who can grow up in a stable, loving family. ************************************************** ************************ ****** .... the folks he's trying to suck up to don't believe anything of the kind. A good man honors his commitments. When he says "for better or for worse," he means it. When he promises "until death do us part," he honors that promise. Right up to the point where she has the divorce papers - and the restraining order - served on him while he's away at work. A good man knows how to be a decent Dad. Whether he's allowed to be or not. A case truly putting the lie to the phrase "knowledge is power". He takes a strong interest in his children ....if allowed... and provides for their physical, emotional and spiritual needs. If allowed...otherwise he just pays. They are always a number one priority in his life. Whether they are *IN* his life or not. But is being a good man really possible? Only so long a woman allows it. Not perfectly, of course, and maybe not always, but it's what God created each of us to be, and what God can enable us to become. That would be what God, the state, and the mothers of our children can allow us to become...or not. And when we fail, as we sometimes do, we are ready to admit it, immediately and honestly. We do whatever it takes to change and to do better, to avoid repeating the same kind of mistakes over and over again. Whether we've actually made those mistakes or not. As an imperfect father of two young adult sons, each of them imperfect but good men, and as a father-in-law of another one, I can only say that constantly working at this goal is worth all the effort it takes. The Bible tells the story of David, who when he had committed adultery and then realized the awfulness of what he had done, cried out to God on one of the greatest prayers of repentance in the Bible (Psalm 51). God honored him by calling him a "man after God's own heart." Likewise, God will love and bless us in our pursuit of becoming good men. And our wives, families and friends will forever thank us. Dream on amigo. Mel Gamble
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September 1st 03, 09:08 AM
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A Good Man
Harvey seems to have been tricked into letting a "good man" be defined by
people with a vested interest in a certain definition. Just like those same people define a "good" boy as a natural one who has been drugged into something which acts more like a girl. Maybe it's time to start delcaring the characteristics of typical girls and women as being "wrong". Women! All those who feel as thought they have been wronged in a relationship! What kind of man are YOU looking for? Are there any good women out there who would search for a good man, or is it all about "sex" and "money"? Straight Talk: Men - August 11, 2003 Guest Column by Harvey Yoder Macho. ************************************* Crude. Insensitive. Controlling. ************************************* I thought this was about men???? The above characteristics are sure found in a lot of women. Obsessed with sex. Is that worse than being obsessed with creating the desire for it in as many men as possible and then laughing as you withhold it? These were some of the first responses I got at a recent men's seminar when I asked what they thought society's perceptions were of males. Unfortunately for society, it's perceptions of males are formulated by a very small group with a big agenda and MUCH to much credibility. They agreed these unflattering labels weren't true of all men all the time, but admitted that our gender had earned all too many of these negative stereotypes. We men do often behave badly. Ah, yes, but do we do so more often than women??? And by whose definitions? We leer at women, Which harms who??? demean them by focusing on their body parts, Men don't focus on women's body parts nearly as often as women do. and have been known to sometimes use, abuse and abandon them. ???? And women DON'T do the same...to men AND to each other??? And as the ultimate insult, more and more men have become addicted to pornography, have become regular supporters of a growing multibillion industry that uses women as moral prostitutes and reduces men to moral adolescents. And is often an industry run by women and making small fortunes for women. AND women are also it's customers. I'll never forget the advice an older high school teacher once gave: "If you want a good woman, you have to be a good man. It's as simple as that," he said. Unfortunately, this advice will do nothing to create a pool of "good" women to pick from. "So start by listing the good qualities you are looking for, then concentrate on becoming that kind of person yourself, rather than just looking for those traits in someone else." That sounds basic. Just be a good man. You can only deserve the kind of person you are. But what is that kind of person like? For starters, a good man shows a high level of respect--for everyone. But why should a person feel obligated to "respect" others who have shown a total lack of respect for others or qualities deserving of respect? He treats women the way he would have other men treat his own daughter, mother or sister. Which earns him frequent kicks in the groin by those women he treats so respectfully... That means seeing them not just as desirable, warm bodies, but as precious human beings with real minds, Even when that is not the case??? Dumb... and with interests and feelings other than about sex. A good man strives to be a good lover, but realizes love has more to do with being patient than being passionate, with being kind and dependable than just amorous in bed. A real man knows real love is more about giving than about getting. And giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, ................. A good man is honest. An "I love you" is never used just to get someone to give him what he wants, but is matched by kind, caring behavior in every part of his life. "If she kicks you while you're down...lick her boot." A good man doesn't indulge in pornographic fantasies of artificially endowed models (anorexics with breast implants) dying to have sex with him. He recognizes pornography use as not only infantile but dangerously addictive and downright harmful to relationships. Yeah. It's best to realise you are stuck with what you got and what she's willing to give you...you must not be allowed to find out that a fantasy may be better than HER reality. A good man regards each human being as a genuinely beautiful person, Now HERE is a circular argument going off the track bigtime. If EACH human being truly IS a "genuinely beautiful person"....what the hell is Harvey bitchin' about???? : ) not just for their physical shape or appearance, but for who they are as a child of God, a unique individual of incomparable worth. A good man sees sex as a God-given gift meant not only for pleasure, but for uniting Awww, poor ignorant Harvey: ************************************************** ************************ ****** one man to one woman "for as long as they both shall live." And, of course, for creating children who can grow up in a stable, loving family. ************************************************** ************************ ****** .... the folks he's trying to suck up to don't believe anything of the kind. A good man honors his commitments. When he says "for better or for worse," he means it. When he promises "until death do us part," he honors that promise. Right up to the point where she has the divorce papers - and the restraining order - served on him while he's away at work. A good man knows how to be a decent Dad. Whether he's allowed to be or not. A case truly putting the lie to the phrase "knowledge is power". He takes a strong interest in his children ....if allowed... and provides for their physical, emotional and spiritual needs. If allowed...otherwise he just pays. They are always a number one priority in his life. Whether they are *IN* his life or not. But is being a good man really possible? Only so long a woman allows it. Not perfectly, of course, and maybe not always, but it's what God created each of us to be, and what God can enable us to become. That would be what God, the state, and the mothers of our children can allow us to become...or not. And when we fail, as we sometimes do, we are ready to admit it, immediately and honestly. We do whatever it takes to change and to do better, to avoid repeating the same kind of mistakes over and over again. Whether we've actually made those mistakes or not. As an imperfect father of two young adult sons, each of them imperfect but good men, and as a father-in-law of another one, I can only say that constantly working at this goal is worth all the effort it takes. The Bible tells the story of David, who when he had committed adultery and then realized the awfulness of what he had done, cried out to God on one of the greatest prayers of repentance in the Bible (Psalm 51). God honored him by calling him a "man after God's own heart." Likewise, God will love and bless us in our pursuit of becoming good men. And our wives, families and friends will forever thank us. Dream on amigo. Mel Gamble
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September 1st 03, 11:24 PM
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A Good Man
Being a "real man" is a feminist code word for a man to be a obey them as a
loyal indentured servant without question. "Me" wrote in message news.com... On 01 Sep 2003 08:08:56 GMT, (Mel Gamble) wrote: Harvey seems to have been tricked into letting a "good man" be defined by people with a vested interest in a certain definition. Just like those same people define a "good" boy as a natural one who has been drugged into something which acts more like a girl. Maybe it's time to start delcaring the characteristics of typical girls and women as being "wrong". Women! All those who feel as thought they have been wronged in a relationship! What kind of man are YOU looking for? Are there any good women out there who would search for a good man, or is it all about "sex" and "money"? Well I for one am sick of hearing women tell us what "real men" are supposed to be. They read off a laundry list of characteristics that we are supposed to have then tell us that we are not real men if we don't meet the test? NEWSFLASH! A real man is any average guy walking down the street. Some are good and some are bad but they are all real men. If anyone needs a course in what real men are, it's these women that try to tell us what they are. I'm no less of a man for not meeting your list than you are not a real woman for meeting some idealized version of womanhood that I dream up. Straight Talk: Men - August 11, 2003 Guest Column by Harvey Yoder Macho. ************************************* Crude. Insensitive. Controlling. ************************************* I thought this was about men???? The above characteristics are sure found in a lot of women. Obsessed with sex. Is that worse than being obsessed with creating the desire for it in as many men as possible and then laughing as you withhold it? These were some of the first responses I got at a recent men's seminar when I asked what they thought society's perceptions were of males. Unfortunately for society, it's perceptions of males are formulated by a very small group with a big agenda and MUCH to much credibility. They agreed these unflattering labels weren't true of all men all the time, but admitted that our gender had earned all too many of these negative stereotypes. We men do often behave badly. Ah, yes, but do we do so more often than women??? And by whose definitions? We leer at women, Which harms who??? demean them by focusing on their body parts, Men don't focus on women's body parts nearly as often as women do. and have been known to sometimes use, abuse and abandon them. ???? And women DON'T do the same...to men AND to each other??? And as the ultimate insult, more and more men have become addicted to pornography, have become regular supporters of a growing multibillion industry that uses women as moral prostitutes and reduces men to moral adolescents. And is often an industry run by women and making small fortunes for women. AND women are also it's customers. I'll never forget the advice an older high school teacher once gave: "If you want a good woman, you have to be a good man. It's as simple as that," he said. Unfortunately, this advice will do nothing to create a pool of "good" women to pick from. "So start by listing the good qualities you are looking for, then concentrate on becoming that kind of person yourself, rather than just looking for those traits in someone else." That sounds basic. Just be a good man. You can only deserve the kind of person you are. But what is that kind of person like? For starters, a good man shows a high level of respect--for everyone. But why should a person feel obligated to "respect" others who have shown a total lack of respect for others or qualities deserving of respect? He treats women the way he would have other men treat his own daughter, mother or sister. Which earns him frequent kicks in the groin by those women he treats so respectfully... That means seeing them not just as desirable, warm bodies, but as precious human beings with real minds, Even when that is not the case??? Dumb... and with interests and feelings other than about sex. A good man strives to be a good lover, but realizes love has more to do with being patient than being passionate, with being kind and dependable than just amorous in bed. A real man knows real love is more about giving than about getting. And giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, ................ A good man is honest. An "I love you" is never used just to get someone to give him what he wants, but is matched by kind, caring behavior in every part of his life. "If she kicks you while you're down...lick her boot." A good man doesn't indulge in pornographic fantasies of artificially endowed models (anorexics with breast implants) dying to have sex with him. He recognizes pornography use as not only infantile but dangerously addictive and downright harmful to relationships. Yeah. It's best to realise you are stuck with what you got and what she's willing to give you...you must not be allowed to find out that a fantasy may be better than HER reality. A good man regards each human being as a genuinely beautiful person, Now HERE is a circular argument going off the track bigtime. If EACH human being truly IS a "genuinely beautiful person"....what the hell is Harvey bitchin' about???? : ) not just for their physical shape or appearance, but for who they are as a child of God, a unique individual of incomparable worth. A good man sees sex as a God-given gift meant not only for pleasure, but for uniting Awww, poor ignorant Harvey: ************************************************* ************************* ****** one man to one woman "for as long as they both shall live." And, of course, for creating children who can grow up in a stable, loving family. ************************************************* ************************* ****** ... the folks he's trying to suck up to don't believe anything of the kind. A good man honors his commitments. When he says "for better or for worse," he means it. When he promises "until death do us part," he honors that promise. Right up to the point where she has the divorce papers - and the restraining order - served on him while he's away at work. A good man knows how to be a decent Dad. Whether he's allowed to be or not. A case truly putting the lie to the phrase "knowledge is power". He takes a strong interest in his children ...if allowed... and provides for their physical, emotional and spiritual needs. If allowed...otherwise he just pays. They are always a number one priority in his life. Whether they are *IN* his life or not. But is being a good man really possible? Only so long a woman allows it. Not perfectly, of course, and maybe not always, but it's what God created each of us to be, and what God can enable us to become. That would be what God, the state, and the mothers of our children can allow us to become...or not. And when we fail, as we sometimes do, we are ready to admit it, immediately and honestly. We do whatever it takes to change and to do better, to avoid repeating the same kind of mistakes over and over again. Whether we've actually made those mistakes or not. As an imperfect father of two young adult sons, each of them imperfect but good men, and as a father-in-law of another one, I can only say that constantly working at this goal is worth all the effort it takes. The Bible tells the story of David, who when he had committed adultery and then realized the awfulness of what he had done, cried out to God on one of the greatest prayers of repentance in the Bible (Psalm 51). God honored him by calling him a "man after God's own heart." Likewise, God will love and bless us in our pursuit of becoming good men. And our wives, families and friends will forever thank us. Dream on amigo. Mel Gamble
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September 1st 03, 11:24 PM
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A Good Man
Being a "real man" is a feminist code word for a man to be a obey them as a
loyal indentured servant without question. "Me" wrote in message news.com... On 01 Sep 2003 08:08:56 GMT, (Mel Gamble) wrote: Harvey seems to have been tricked into letting a "good man" be defined by people with a vested interest in a certain definition. Just like those same people define a "good" boy as a natural one who has been drugged into something which acts more like a girl. Maybe it's time to start delcaring the characteristics of typical girls and women as being "wrong". Women! All those who feel as thought they have been wronged in a relationship! What kind of man are YOU looking for? Are there any good women out there who would search for a good man, or is it all about "sex" and "money"? Well I for one am sick of hearing women tell us what "real men" are supposed to be. They read off a laundry list of characteristics that we are supposed to have then tell us that we are not real men if we don't meet the test? NEWSFLASH! A real man is any average guy walking down the street. Some are good and some are bad but they are all real men. If anyone needs a course in what real men are, it's these women that try to tell us what they are. I'm no less of a man for not meeting your list than you are not a real woman for meeting some idealized version of womanhood that I dream up. Straight Talk: Men - August 11, 2003 Guest Column by Harvey Yoder Macho. ************************************* Crude. Insensitive. Controlling. ************************************* I thought this was about men???? The above characteristics are sure found in a lot of women. Obsessed with sex. Is that worse than being obsessed with creating the desire for it in as many men as possible and then laughing as you withhold it? These were some of the first responses I got at a recent men's seminar when I asked what they thought society's perceptions were of males. Unfortunately for society, it's perceptions of males are formulated by a very small group with a big agenda and MUCH to much credibility. They agreed these unflattering labels weren't true of all men all the time, but admitted that our gender had earned all too many of these negative stereotypes. We men do often behave badly. Ah, yes, but do we do so more often than women??? And by whose definitions? We leer at women, Which harms who??? demean them by focusing on their body parts, Men don't focus on women's body parts nearly as often as women do. and have been known to sometimes use, abuse and abandon them. ???? And women DON'T do the same...to men AND to each other??? And as the ultimate insult, more and more men have become addicted to pornography, have become regular supporters of a growing multibillion industry that uses women as moral prostitutes and reduces men to moral adolescents. And is often an industry run by women and making small fortunes for women. AND women are also it's customers. I'll never forget the advice an older high school teacher once gave: "If you want a good woman, you have to be a good man. It's as simple as that," he said. Unfortunately, this advice will do nothing to create a pool of "good" women to pick from. "So start by listing the good qualities you are looking for, then concentrate on becoming that kind of person yourself, rather than just looking for those traits in someone else." That sounds basic. Just be a good man. You can only deserve the kind of person you are. But what is that kind of person like? For starters, a good man shows a high level of respect--for everyone. But why should a person feel obligated to "respect" others who have shown a total lack of respect for others or qualities deserving of respect? He treats women the way he would have other men treat his own daughter, mother or sister. Which earns him frequent kicks in the groin by those women he treats so respectfully... That means seeing them not just as desirable, warm bodies, but as precious human beings with real minds, Even when that is not the case??? Dumb... and with interests and feelings other than about sex. A good man strives to be a good lover, but realizes love has more to do with being patient than being passionate, with being kind and dependable than just amorous in bed. A real man knows real love is more about giving than about getting. And giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, and giving, ................ A good man is honest. An "I love you" is never used just to get someone to give him what he wants, but is matched by kind, caring behavior in every part of his life. "If she kicks you while you're down...lick her boot." A good man doesn't indulge in pornographic fantasies of artificially endowed models (anorexics with breast implants) dying to have sex with him. He recognizes pornography use as not only infantile but dangerously addictive and downright harmful to relationships. Yeah. It's best to realise you are stuck with what you got and what she's willing to give you...you must not be allowed to find out that a fantasy may be better than HER reality. A good man regards each human being as a genuinely beautiful person, Now HERE is a circular argument going off the track bigtime. If EACH human being truly IS a "genuinely beautiful person"....what the hell is Harvey bitchin' about???? : ) not just for their physical shape or appearance, but for who they are as a child of God, a unique individual of incomparable worth. A good man sees sex as a God-given gift meant not only for pleasure, but for uniting Awww, poor ignorant Harvey: ************************************************* ************************* ****** one man to one woman "for as long as they both shall live." And, of course, for creating children who can grow up in a stable, loving family. ************************************************* ************************* ****** ... the folks he's trying to suck up to don't believe anything of the kind. A good man honors his commitments. When he says "for better or for worse," he means it. When he promises "until death do us part," he honors that promise. Right up to the point where she has the divorce papers - and the restraining order - served on him while he's away at work. A good man knows how to be a decent Dad. Whether he's allowed to be or not. A case truly putting the lie to the phrase "knowledge is power". He takes a strong interest in his children ...if allowed... and provides for their physical, emotional and spiritual needs. If allowed...otherwise he just pays. They are always a number one priority in his life. Whether they are *IN* his life or not. But is being a good man really possible? Only so long a woman allows it. Not perfectly, of course, and maybe not always, but it's what God created each of us to be, and what God can enable us to become. That would be what God, the state, and the mothers of our children can allow us to become...or not. And when we fail, as we sometimes do, we are ready to admit it, immediately and honestly. We do whatever it takes to change and to do better, to avoid repeating the same kind of mistakes over and over again. Whether we've actually made those mistakes or not. As an imperfect father of two young adult sons, each of them imperfect but good men, and as a father-in-law of another one, I can only say that constantly working at this goal is worth all the effort it takes. The Bible tells the story of David, who when he had committed adultery and then realized the awfulness of what he had done, cried out to God on one of the greatest prayers of repentance in the Bible (Psalm 51). God honored him by calling him a "man after God's own heart." Likewise, God will love and bless us in our pursuit of becoming good men. And our wives, families and friends will forever thank us. Dream on amigo. Mel Gamble
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A Good Man
"Dave" Dave@freedoms-door wrote in message ... Being a "real man" is a feminist code word for a man to be a obey them as a loyal indentured servant without question. I always thought it meant agreeing with whatever a woman says even though you know better - as in - "Honey, everyone knows that washing machines eat men's socks." Because if a man presses a woman to own up to personal responsibility the response will be a total breakdown of communication - as in - "If you don't like the way I do the laundry, do it yourself."
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