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Old October 15th 03, 02:02 PM
Leslie
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Default Convincing woman to use abortion/adoption issue

And saying that a man just has "to say no to sex" is bull. He does have to
be responsible and use protection at all times, (and remember to take his
pill, but abstinance is certainly not his "only choice".

~AZ~


You might not like the cold hard facts, but even with using birth
control, or even if a man has been snipped (recently), there is STILL
a small chance that the woman could get pregnant. Women that are on
the pill get pregnant every day. Men who wear a condom end up with a
pregnant partner every day. Men who get a vasectomy end up with a
pregnant partner every day.

THE ONLY 100% CHANCE OF NOT HAVING A CHILD IS TO NOT HAVE SEX OR
CONFIRMED STERILIZATION.

Therefore, until the law allows a man to choose abortion or adoption,
or until the law allows a man to walk away from an unwanted pregnancy,
the only way a man can be 100% sure he will never have an unwanted
child (while he is still fertile), or be forced to pay child support
for an unwanted child is for the man "to say no to sex".

Because of the fact that birth control measures do not work 100%, and
because of the fact that the man has zero choice about the birth or
support of the unwanted child, then if he wants to make 100% sure he
is never forced to pay child support, then his only choice is
abstinence or positive sterilization. Unless he gets a vasectomy and
waits the alotted amount of time and has several tests to make sure
his sperm count is 0. So, his choices are 100% confirmed
sterilization, or abstinence.

I'm not saying all men should either be celibate or sterilized. But
if they are sexually active and have not been confirmed 100% sterile,
there is ALWAYS the chance of a pregnancy, of which he will have
absolutely no choice of paying child support for. That is the plain
and simple facts.

So men have three choices on unwanted pregnancies:

Abstinence
Confirmed sterilization
Get the laws changed to allow the man a choice for abortion/adoption
or to just walk away from an unwanted pregnancy.
  #12  
Old October 15th 03, 02:02 PM
Leslie
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Default Convincing woman to use abortion/adoption issue

And saying that a man just has "to say no to sex" is bull. He does have to
be responsible and use protection at all times, (and remember to take his
pill, but abstinance is certainly not his "only choice".

~AZ~


You might not like the cold hard facts, but even with using birth
control, or even if a man has been snipped (recently), there is STILL
a small chance that the woman could get pregnant. Women that are on
the pill get pregnant every day. Men who wear a condom end up with a
pregnant partner every day. Men who get a vasectomy end up with a
pregnant partner every day.

THE ONLY 100% CHANCE OF NOT HAVING A CHILD IS TO NOT HAVE SEX OR
CONFIRMED STERILIZATION.

Therefore, until the law allows a man to choose abortion or adoption,
or until the law allows a man to walk away from an unwanted pregnancy,
the only way a man can be 100% sure he will never have an unwanted
child (while he is still fertile), or be forced to pay child support
for an unwanted child is for the man "to say no to sex".

Because of the fact that birth control measures do not work 100%, and
because of the fact that the man has zero choice about the birth or
support of the unwanted child, then if he wants to make 100% sure he
is never forced to pay child support, then his only choice is
abstinence or positive sterilization. Unless he gets a vasectomy and
waits the alotted amount of time and has several tests to make sure
his sperm count is 0. So, his choices are 100% confirmed
sterilization, or abstinence.

I'm not saying all men should either be celibate or sterilized. But
if they are sexually active and have not been confirmed 100% sterile,
there is ALWAYS the chance of a pregnancy, of which he will have
absolutely no choice of paying child support for. That is the plain
and simple facts.

So men have three choices on unwanted pregnancies:

Abstinence
Confirmed sterilization
Get the laws changed to allow the man a choice for abortion/adoption
or to just walk away from an unwanted pregnancy.
  #13  
Old October 15th 03, 02:02 PM
Leslie
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Default Convincing woman to use abortion/adoption issue

And saying that a man just has "to say no to sex" is bull. He does have to
be responsible and use protection at all times, (and remember to take his
pill, but abstinance is certainly not his "only choice".

~AZ~


You might not like the cold hard facts, but even with using birth
control, or even if a man has been snipped (recently), there is STILL
a small chance that the woman could get pregnant. Women that are on
the pill get pregnant every day. Men who wear a condom end up with a
pregnant partner every day. Men who get a vasectomy end up with a
pregnant partner every day.

THE ONLY 100% CHANCE OF NOT HAVING A CHILD IS TO NOT HAVE SEX OR
CONFIRMED STERILIZATION.

Therefore, until the law allows a man to choose abortion or adoption,
or until the law allows a man to walk away from an unwanted pregnancy,
the only way a man can be 100% sure he will never have an unwanted
child (while he is still fertile), or be forced to pay child support
for an unwanted child is for the man "to say no to sex".

Because of the fact that birth control measures do not work 100%, and
because of the fact that the man has zero choice about the birth or
support of the unwanted child, then if he wants to make 100% sure he
is never forced to pay child support, then his only choice is
abstinence or positive sterilization. Unless he gets a vasectomy and
waits the alotted amount of time and has several tests to make sure
his sperm count is 0. So, his choices are 100% confirmed
sterilization, or abstinence.

I'm not saying all men should either be celibate or sterilized. But
if they are sexually active and have not been confirmed 100% sterile,
there is ALWAYS the chance of a pregnancy, of which he will have
absolutely no choice of paying child support for. That is the plain
and simple facts.

So men have three choices on unwanted pregnancies:

Abstinence
Confirmed sterilization
Get the laws changed to allow the man a choice for abortion/adoption
or to just walk away from an unwanted pregnancy.
  #14  
Old October 16th 03, 12:03 AM
AZ Astrea
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"Leslie" wrote in message
om...
And saying that a man just has "to say no to sex" is bull. He does have

to
be responsible and use protection at all times, (and remember to take

his
pill, but abstinance is certainly not his "only choice".

~AZ~


You might not like the cold hard facts, but even with using birth
control, or even if a man has been snipped (recently), there is STILL
a small chance that the woman could get pregnant. Women that are on
the pill get pregnant every day. Men who wear a condom end up with a
pregnant partner every day. Men who get a vasectomy end up with a
pregnant partner every day.

THE ONLY 100% CHANCE OF NOT HAVING A CHILD IS TO NOT HAVE SEX OR
CONFIRMED STERILIZATION.

----------------------------
Well, using condoms,(but not every time or not always correctly), there is
about a fourteen percent failure rate. This rate goes down to two percent
if condoms are always worn and always worn correctly.
The male birth control pill, so far has a one hundred percent success rate.
Vasectomy has a ninety-nine point ninety-five percent success rate. Once
you get an all clear after the six week and the twelve week tests for semen
the chances for impregnanting are one in one thousand.
If I were a man I would use all three.
But I agree that a man should be allowed to walk away from an unwanted
pregnancy since all the other options belong only to the woman.

~AZ~


Therefore, until the law allows a man to choose abortion or adoption,
or until the law allows a man to walk away from an unwanted pregnancy,
the only way a man can be 100% sure he will never have an unwanted
child (while he is still fertile), or be forced to pay child support
for an unwanted child is for the man "to say no to sex".

Because of the fact that birth control measures do not work 100%, and
because of the fact that the man has zero choice about the birth or
support of the unwanted child, then if he wants to make 100% sure he
is never forced to pay child support, then his only choice is
abstinence or positive sterilization. Unless he gets a vasectomy and
waits the alotted amount of time and has several tests to make sure
his sperm count is 0. So, his choices are 100% confirmed
sterilization, or abstinence.

I'm not saying all men should either be celibate or sterilized. But
if they are sexually active and have not been confirmed 100% sterile,
there is ALWAYS the chance of a pregnancy, of which he will have
absolutely no choice of paying child support for. That is the plain
and simple facts.

So men have three choices on unwanted pregnancies:

Abstinence
Confirmed sterilization
Get the laws changed to allow the man a choice for abortion/adoption
or to just walk away from an unwanted pregnancy.



  #15  
Old October 16th 03, 12:03 AM
AZ Astrea
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Default Convincing woman to use abortion/adoption issue


"Leslie" wrote in message
om...
And saying that a man just has "to say no to sex" is bull. He does have

to
be responsible and use protection at all times, (and remember to take

his
pill, but abstinance is certainly not his "only choice".

~AZ~


You might not like the cold hard facts, but even with using birth
control, or even if a man has been snipped (recently), there is STILL
a small chance that the woman could get pregnant. Women that are on
the pill get pregnant every day. Men who wear a condom end up with a
pregnant partner every day. Men who get a vasectomy end up with a
pregnant partner every day.

THE ONLY 100% CHANCE OF NOT HAVING A CHILD IS TO NOT HAVE SEX OR
CONFIRMED STERILIZATION.

----------------------------
Well, using condoms,(but not every time or not always correctly), there is
about a fourteen percent failure rate. This rate goes down to two percent
if condoms are always worn and always worn correctly.
The male birth control pill, so far has a one hundred percent success rate.
Vasectomy has a ninety-nine point ninety-five percent success rate. Once
you get an all clear after the six week and the twelve week tests for semen
the chances for impregnanting are one in one thousand.
If I were a man I would use all three.
But I agree that a man should be allowed to walk away from an unwanted
pregnancy since all the other options belong only to the woman.

~AZ~


Therefore, until the law allows a man to choose abortion or adoption,
or until the law allows a man to walk away from an unwanted pregnancy,
the only way a man can be 100% sure he will never have an unwanted
child (while he is still fertile), or be forced to pay child support
for an unwanted child is for the man "to say no to sex".

Because of the fact that birth control measures do not work 100%, and
because of the fact that the man has zero choice about the birth or
support of the unwanted child, then if he wants to make 100% sure he
is never forced to pay child support, then his only choice is
abstinence or positive sterilization. Unless he gets a vasectomy and
waits the alotted amount of time and has several tests to make sure
his sperm count is 0. So, his choices are 100% confirmed
sterilization, or abstinence.

I'm not saying all men should either be celibate or sterilized. But
if they are sexually active and have not been confirmed 100% sterile,
there is ALWAYS the chance of a pregnancy, of which he will have
absolutely no choice of paying child support for. That is the plain
and simple facts.

So men have three choices on unwanted pregnancies:

Abstinence
Confirmed sterilization
Get the laws changed to allow the man a choice for abortion/adoption
or to just walk away from an unwanted pregnancy.



  #16  
Old October 16th 03, 12:03 AM
AZ Astrea
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Default Convincing woman to use abortion/adoption issue


"Leslie" wrote in message
om...
And saying that a man just has "to say no to sex" is bull. He does have

to
be responsible and use protection at all times, (and remember to take

his
pill, but abstinance is certainly not his "only choice".

~AZ~


You might not like the cold hard facts, but even with using birth
control, or even if a man has been snipped (recently), there is STILL
a small chance that the woman could get pregnant. Women that are on
the pill get pregnant every day. Men who wear a condom end up with a
pregnant partner every day. Men who get a vasectomy end up with a
pregnant partner every day.

THE ONLY 100% CHANCE OF NOT HAVING A CHILD IS TO NOT HAVE SEX OR
CONFIRMED STERILIZATION.

----------------------------
Well, using condoms,(but not every time or not always correctly), there is
about a fourteen percent failure rate. This rate goes down to two percent
if condoms are always worn and always worn correctly.
The male birth control pill, so far has a one hundred percent success rate.
Vasectomy has a ninety-nine point ninety-five percent success rate. Once
you get an all clear after the six week and the twelve week tests for semen
the chances for impregnanting are one in one thousand.
If I were a man I would use all three.
But I agree that a man should be allowed to walk away from an unwanted
pregnancy since all the other options belong only to the woman.

~AZ~


Therefore, until the law allows a man to choose abortion or adoption,
or until the law allows a man to walk away from an unwanted pregnancy,
the only way a man can be 100% sure he will never have an unwanted
child (while he is still fertile), or be forced to pay child support
for an unwanted child is for the man "to say no to sex".

Because of the fact that birth control measures do not work 100%, and
because of the fact that the man has zero choice about the birth or
support of the unwanted child, then if he wants to make 100% sure he
is never forced to pay child support, then his only choice is
abstinence or positive sterilization. Unless he gets a vasectomy and
waits the alotted amount of time and has several tests to make sure
his sperm count is 0. So, his choices are 100% confirmed
sterilization, or abstinence.

I'm not saying all men should either be celibate or sterilized. But
if they are sexually active and have not been confirmed 100% sterile,
there is ALWAYS the chance of a pregnancy, of which he will have
absolutely no choice of paying child support for. That is the plain
and simple facts.

So men have three choices on unwanted pregnancies:

Abstinence
Confirmed sterilization
Get the laws changed to allow the man a choice for abortion/adoption
or to just walk away from an unwanted pregnancy.



  #17  
Old October 16th 03, 01:02 AM
Tracy
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Default Convincing woman to use abortion/adoption issue

"Leslie" wrote in message
om...
And saying that a man just has "to say no to sex" is bull. He does have

to
be responsible and use protection at all times, (and remember to take

his
pill, but abstinance is certainly not his "only choice".

~AZ~


You might not like the cold hard facts, but even with using birth
control, or even if a man has been snipped (recently), there is STILL
a small chance that the woman could get pregnant. Women that are on
the pill get pregnant every day. Men who wear a condom end up with a
pregnant partner every day. Men who get a vasectomy end up with a
pregnant partner every day.

THE ONLY 100% CHANCE OF NOT HAVING A CHILD IS TO NOT HAVE SEX OR
CONFIRMED STERILIZATION.



I'd be very careful with what you are saying, because you are 100% incorrect
in stating confirmed sterilization is 100% effective. Sterilization -
confirmed or not - is not 100%. It is near 100%, but there has been cases
where someone has fathered, or mothered, a child after being surgically
sterilized.


Tracy
~~~~~~~
http://www.hornschuch.net/tracy/
"You can't solve problems with the same
type of thinking that created them."
Albert Einstein

*** spamguard in place! to email me: tracy at hornschuch dot net ***



  #18  
Old October 16th 03, 01:02 AM
Tracy
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Default Convincing woman to use abortion/adoption issue

"Leslie" wrote in message
om...
And saying that a man just has "to say no to sex" is bull. He does have

to
be responsible and use protection at all times, (and remember to take

his
pill, but abstinance is certainly not his "only choice".

~AZ~


You might not like the cold hard facts, but even with using birth
control, or even if a man has been snipped (recently), there is STILL
a small chance that the woman could get pregnant. Women that are on
the pill get pregnant every day. Men who wear a condom end up with a
pregnant partner every day. Men who get a vasectomy end up with a
pregnant partner every day.

THE ONLY 100% CHANCE OF NOT HAVING A CHILD IS TO NOT HAVE SEX OR
CONFIRMED STERILIZATION.



I'd be very careful with what you are saying, because you are 100% incorrect
in stating confirmed sterilization is 100% effective. Sterilization -
confirmed or not - is not 100%. It is near 100%, but there has been cases
where someone has fathered, or mothered, a child after being surgically
sterilized.


Tracy
~~~~~~~
http://www.hornschuch.net/tracy/
"You can't solve problems with the same
type of thinking that created them."
Albert Einstein

*** spamguard in place! to email me: tracy at hornschuch dot net ***



  #19  
Old October 16th 03, 01:02 AM
Tracy
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Default Convincing woman to use abortion/adoption issue

"Leslie" wrote in message
om...
And saying that a man just has "to say no to sex" is bull. He does have

to
be responsible and use protection at all times, (and remember to take

his
pill, but abstinance is certainly not his "only choice".

~AZ~


You might not like the cold hard facts, but even with using birth
control, or even if a man has been snipped (recently), there is STILL
a small chance that the woman could get pregnant. Women that are on
the pill get pregnant every day. Men who wear a condom end up with a
pregnant partner every day. Men who get a vasectomy end up with a
pregnant partner every day.

THE ONLY 100% CHANCE OF NOT HAVING A CHILD IS TO NOT HAVE SEX OR
CONFIRMED STERILIZATION.



I'd be very careful with what you are saying, because you are 100% incorrect
in stating confirmed sterilization is 100% effective. Sterilization -
confirmed or not - is not 100%. It is near 100%, but there has been cases
where someone has fathered, or mothered, a child after being surgically
sterilized.


Tracy
~~~~~~~
http://www.hornschuch.net/tracy/
"You can't solve problems with the same
type of thinking that created them."
Albert Einstein

*** spamguard in place! to email me: tracy at hornschuch dot net ***



  #20  
Old October 16th 03, 05:51 PM
Leslie
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Default Convincing woman to use abortion/adoption issue

"Tracy" wrote in message news:qeljb.565078$Oz4.526811@rwcrnsc54...
"Leslie" wrote in message
om...
And saying that a man just has "to say no to sex" is bull. He does have

to
be responsible and use protection at all times, (and remember to take

his
pill, but abstinance is certainly not his "only choice".

~AZ~


You might not like the cold hard facts, but even with using birth
control, or even if a man has been snipped (recently), there is STILL
a small chance that the woman could get pregnant. Women that are on
the pill get pregnant every day. Men who wear a condom end up with a
pregnant partner every day. Men who get a vasectomy end up with a
pregnant partner every day.

THE ONLY 100% CHANCE OF NOT HAVING A CHILD IS TO NOT HAVE SEX OR
CONFIRMED STERILIZATION.



I'd be very careful with what you are saying, because you are 100% incorrect
in stating confirmed sterilization is 100% effective. Sterilization -
confirmed or not - is not 100%. It is near 100%, but there has been cases
where someone has fathered, or mothered, a child after being surgically
sterilized.


Tracy
~~~~~~~
http://www.hornschuch.net/tracy/
"You can't solve problems with the same
type of thinking that created them."
Albert Einstein

*** spamguard in place! to email me: tracy at hornschuch dot net ***



OK then. Either you don't have sex, or how about castration? Would
there still be a chance then?
 




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