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Old November 8th 03, 02:36 AM
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Cox strategy targets child support deadbeats

October 17, 2003





BY JACK KRESNAK
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER




Attorney General Mike Cox announced a two-pronged strategy Thursday to help
get child support for Michigan's 650,000 children who receive no financial
help from absent parents.

In the state's six largest counties, about 40,000 parents each owe more than
$40,000 in overdue child support. But only a few hundred of them are facing
criminal charges.

That will change, Cox said.

"This isn't some social faux pas or breach of etiquette," Cox said. "This is
a crime."

Under the PayKids initiative, the attorney general will use 39 billboards, a
Web site, www.paykids.com, and a toll-free phone number to help parents
collect child support while educating the public at the same time. The phone
number is 866-729-5437.

Cox has also created a child-support division with a team of special
assistant attorneys general to help prosecute thousands of criminal cases in
counties other than Wayne in which parents owe at least $40,000 in
court-ordered child support.

In Wayne County, Cox's office will prosecute cases in which more than
$100,000 is owed, while County Prosecutor Mike Duggan's office will pursue
child-support violators who owe more than $5,000 in child support as long as
the children's cases are still active through the county's Friend of the
Court.

In Michigan, Cox said, more than $7 billion is owed by child-support
violators, $3 billion of that to Michigan taxpayers who have supported the
children through welfare programs.

Since April, Cox said, his division has arrested 54 people, issued 95 arrest
warrants and collected more than $725,000 for Michigan children. Duggan said
his office has prosecuted 820 violators this year and collected $908,000 for
children.

The PayKids initiative is being funded by corporate sponsors including
General Motors Corp., the bridge-and-trucking company Centra, the Michigan
Hospital Association and the Michigan Medical Society. The nonprofit
initiative is expected to raise more than $500,000 in its first year.

Geraldine Jensen, president of the Association for Children for Enforcement
of Support (ACES), a national organization based in Ann Arbor, praised Cox
for his efforts.

Failure to pay child support is "the only crime in this country that causes
poverty," Jensen said. "These parents are lawbreakers. They've abandoned
their children and have failed to meet the most basic obligation a parent
has."


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Old November 8th 03, 04:16 AM
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Isn't it strange...

Fighting for kids wrote:

Cox strategy targets child support deadbeats

October 17, 2003

BY JACK KRESNAK
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

Attorney General Mike Cox announced a two-pronged strategy Thursday to help
get child support for Michigan's 650,000 children who receive no financial
help from absent parents.

In the state's six largest counties, about 40,000 parents each owe more than
$40,000 in overdue child support. But only a few hundred of them are facing
criminal charges.

That will change, Cox said.

"This isn't some social faux pas or breach of etiquette," Cox said. "This is
a crime."

Under the PayKids initiative, the attorney general will use 39 billboards, a
Web site, www.paykids.com, and a toll-free phone number to help parents
collect child support while educating the public at the same time. The phone
number is 866-729-5437.

Cox has also created a child-support division with a team of special
assistant attorneys general to help prosecute thousands of criminal cases in
counties other than Wayne in which parents owe at least $40,000 in
court-ordered child support.

In Wayne County, Cox's office will prosecute cases in which more than
$100,000 is owed, while County Prosecutor Mike Duggan's office will pursue
child-support violators who owe more than $5,000 in child support as long as
the children's cases are still active through the county's Friend of the
Court.

In Michigan, Cox said, more than $7 billion is owed by child-support
violators, $3 billion of that to Michigan taxpayers who have supported the
children through welfare programs.


.... that the parents these same kids lived with - who also failed to
prevent them from needing the assistance of the taxpayers - will never
be charged with paying back $$$ that went to the childrens' needs....OR
THE DOLLARS THEY GOT FOR THEMSELVES... Isn't that strange????

Since April, Cox said, his division has arrested 54 people, issued 95 arrest
warrants and collected more than $725,000 for Michigan children. Duggan said
his office has prosecuted 820 violators this year and collected $908,000 for
children.

The PayKids initiative is being funded by corporate sponsors including
General Motors Corp.,


AAHHHHH....this is the famous "collect it whether they owe it or not"
program...

the bridge-and-trucking company Centra, the Michigan
Hospital Association and the Michigan Medical Society.


Sounds like a list of companies with their hands in the state's pockets,
just like those custodial parents who dipped into the state's pockets
and now want the OTHER parent to pay the state back....

The nonprofit
initiative is expected to raise more than $500,000 in its first year.

Geraldine Jensen, president of the Association for Children for Enforcement
of Support (ACES), a national organization based in Ann Arbor, praised Cox
for his efforts.

Failure to pay child support is "the only crime in this country that causes
poverty," Jensen said. "These parents are lawbreakers. They've abandoned
their children and have failed to meet the most basic obligation a parent
has."


Hmmmm. The same obligation the childrens' OTHER parent ALSO failed to
meet. Isn't it strange that it's only criminal for the one parent who
has no control over the situation to do so....????? Strange.....

Mel Gamble
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Old November 8th 03, 02:04 PM
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Default Cox Strategy Targets Child Support Deadbeats

Cox is a horses ass that is trying to make a name for himself in state
politics, he's doing the same old same WRT CS collections....."we are going
to make money at it" BS . Rumor has it he wants to run for govenor, I can
only hope so when he loses that race he will no longer be the AG either

"Melvin Gamble" wrote in message
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Isn't it strange...

Fighting for kids wrote:

Cox strategy targets child support deadbeats

October 17, 2003

BY JACK KRESNAK
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

Attorney General Mike Cox announced a two-pronged strategy Thursday to

help
get child support for Michigan's 650,000 children who receive no

financial
help from absent parents.

In the state's six largest counties, about 40,000 parents each owe more

than
$40,000 in overdue child support. But only a few hundred of them are

facing
criminal charges.

That will change, Cox said.

"This isn't some social faux pas or breach of etiquette," Cox said.

"This is
a crime."

Under the PayKids initiative, the attorney general will use 39

billboards, a
Web site, www.paykids.com, and a toll-free phone number to help parents
collect child support while educating the public at the same time. The

phone
number is 866-729-5437.

Cox has also created a child-support division with a team of special
assistant attorneys general to help prosecute thousands of criminal

cases in
counties other than Wayne in which parents owe at least $40,000 in
court-ordered child support.

In Wayne County, Cox's office will prosecute cases in which more than
$100,000 is owed, while County Prosecutor Mike Duggan's office will

pursue
child-support violators who owe more than $5,000 in child support as

long as
the children's cases are still active through the county's Friend of the
Court.

In Michigan, Cox said, more than $7 billion is owed by child-support
violators, $3 billion of that to Michigan taxpayers who have supported

the
children through welfare programs.


... that the parents these same kids lived with - who also failed to
prevent them from needing the assistance of the taxpayers - will never
be charged with paying back $$$ that went to the childrens' needs....OR
THE DOLLARS THEY GOT FOR THEMSELVES... Isn't that strange????

Since April, Cox said, his division has arrested 54 people, issued 95

arrest
warrants and collected more than $725,000 for Michigan children. Duggan

said
his office has prosecuted 820 violators this year and collected $908,000

for
children.

The PayKids initiative is being funded by corporate sponsors including
General Motors Corp.,


AAHHHHH....this is the famous "collect it whether they owe it or not"
program...

the bridge-and-trucking company Centra, the Michigan
Hospital Association and the Michigan Medical Society.


Sounds like a list of companies with their hands in the state's pockets,
just like those custodial parents who dipped into the state's pockets
and now want the OTHER parent to pay the state back....

The nonprofit
initiative is expected to raise more than $500,000 in its first year.

Geraldine Jensen, president of the Association for Children for

Enforcement
of Support (ACES), a national organization based in Ann Arbor, praised

Cox
for his efforts.

Failure to pay child support is "the only crime in this country that

causes
poverty," Jensen said. "These parents are lawbreakers. They've abandoned
their children and have failed to meet the most basic obligation a

parent
has."


Hmmmm. The same obligation the childrens' OTHER parent ALSO failed to
meet. Isn't it strange that it's only criminal for the one parent who
has no control over the situation to do so....????? Strange.....

Mel Gamble



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Old November 8th 03, 06:13 PM
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Failure to pay child support is "the only crime in this country that causes
poverty," Jensen said. "These parents are lawbreakers. They've abandoned
their children and have failed to meet the most basic obligation a parent
has."



What about the crime of have having a child and keeping a child (as
opposed to adoption) that you are not able to support in the first
place. I don't see anyone being prosecuted for that.
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Old November 8th 03, 08:17 PM
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Paul F. states:
"Cox is a horses ass..." snipped

And I voted for the asshole too.
He may be a horses ass, but he's an Attorney General horses ass. Same
goes for the Governor. Cox is acting under order from the Governor.

In their effort to get dead beat dads to pay, they've neglected a Minor
detail or two.

1) Fix the badly broken friend of the court system. It needs to be
dismantled, and a new system put in it's place.

2) The dads who are no longer working at the high paying jobs they were
when first tagged with paying big $$ CS should be reevaluated to see
what they can pay.

Neither of those two things is gonna happen.

Just yesterday, they found county jails were overcrowded. Many of those
locked up are dead beat dads. Many were paying CS, but NOT what was
court ordered.

Just how is a man supposed to pay more than he makes? Now that he no
longer makes (like) $25 an hour, and has a job paying (like) $10 an hour
less, what is he to do when he is ignored when shows Proof he hasn't
made that Big money for (maybe) years?

They're gonna load up the jails, make men lose their jobs, and be in
worse shape (child support wise) than they were before.

Now you have previously employed men, out of a job, and damn bitter at a
system that just wouldn't listen to reason.They then will be real dead
beats. Dedicated non payers.

That is what's happening, and that is what's gonna happen.


nm

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Old November 8th 03, 09:24 PM
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Default Cox Strategy Targets Child Support Deadbeats

Fighting for kids wrote:
Cox strategy targets child support deadbeats

October 17, 2003

BY JACK KRESNAK
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

Failure to pay child support is "the only crime in this country that
causes poverty," Jensen said. "These parents are lawbreakers. They've
abandoned their children and have failed to meet the most basic
obligation a parent has."


That's a mighty sweeping statement. I take it that **ALL** people
behind in CS are purposely so simply because they don't care.


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Old November 8th 03, 09:49 PM
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Usually they take a lower paying job in hopes of getting their support
lowered then when it back fires on them they cry and the judges dont give a
flying rats ass about their self created problems.

wrote in message
...
Paul F. states:
"Cox is a horses ass..." snipped

And I voted for the asshole too.
He may be a horses ass, but he's an Attorney General horses ass. Same
goes for the Governor. Cox is acting under order from the Governor.

In their effort to get dead beat dads to pay, they've neglected a Minor
detail or two.

1) Fix the badly broken friend of the court system. It needs to be
dismantled, and a new system put in it's place.

2) The dads who are no longer working at the high paying jobs they were
when first tagged with paying big $$ CS should be reevaluated to see
what they can pay.

Neither of those two things is gonna happen.

Just yesterday, they found county jails were overcrowded. Many of those
locked up are dead beat dads. Many were paying CS, but NOT what was
court ordered.

Just how is a man supposed to pay more than he makes? Now that he no
longer makes (like) $25 an hour, and has a job paying (like) $10 an hour
less, what is he to do when he is ignored when shows Proof he hasn't
made that Big money for (maybe) years?

They're gonna load up the jails, make men lose their jobs, and be in
worse shape (child support wise) than they were before.

Now you have previously employed men, out of a job, and damn bitter at a
system that just wouldn't listen to reason.They then will be real dead
beats. Dedicated non payers.

That is what's happening, and that is what's gonna happen.


nm



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Old November 8th 03, 10:57 PM
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In article , Fighting for kids says...

Usually they take a lower paying job in hopes of getting their support
lowered then when it back fires on them they cry and the judges dont give a
flying rats ass about their self created problems.

==
And this is worse than a lazy CP sitting on her ass waiting for the welfare
check to show up and whining about having to live without because the "child
support" isn't paid?
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Old November 8th 03, 11:47 PM
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"Fighting for kids" adf wrote in message
...
Usually they take a lower paying job in hopes of getting their support
lowered then when it back fires on them they cry and the judges dont give

a
flying rats ass about their self created problems.


This logic is about a bizzare as the rest of your posts. Let's say 20% of
an NCP father's gross is ordered for CS. Why would he intentionally give up
some significant portion of the other 80% of his gross income just to get
his CS reduced to 20% of a lower gross income number? That just doesn't
make sense.

But you are right about the judges not caring about the father's
predicament. They take the easy way out and use potential income for the CS
calculations. The law in my state requires the judge to "determine
employment potential and probable earnings level based on the parent's
recent work history, occupation qualifications, or prevailing job
opportuities and earnings levels in the community." I ask the judge for a
finding of fact on the record why he was imputing my income to the amount he
used. The judge refused to do that because he knew I could appeal his
erroneous finding.

There was an article in the local paper quoting a circuit court judge who
said the CS system was starting to recognize that there has been a change in
prevailing job opportunites and earnings levels over the last 3-4 years.
The courts are a good 3-4 years behind on acknowledging those economic
changes have occurred.


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Old November 8th 03, 11:59 PM
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In article , Fighting for kids says...

Cox strategy targets child support deadbeats

October 17, 2003

BY JACK KRESNAK
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER


Attorney General Mike Cox announced a two-pronged strategy Thursday to help
get child support for Michigan's 650,000 children who receive no financial
help from absent parents.

.................................................. .....................

Failure to pay child support is "the only crime in this country that causes
poverty," Jensen said. "These parents are lawbreakers. They've abandoned
their children and have failed to meet the most basic obligation a parent
has."


===========================
This is pure bottom-feeding politics contrived for those illiterate enough to
buy into such things.
The originators are at once stupid and liars.

Did they think we wouldn't notice that:

Illegal drug abuse causes poverty (not to mention the legal acts of alcholism
and gambling)

It is extremely rare for an NCP with children on welfare to have a child support
order sufficient to move those children from poverty. Perhaps if FFK can touch
base with reality long enough, she can find us some data on the average child
support order of fathers whose kids are on welfare.

CPs who are sitting on their asses collecting welfare checks are no less
responsible for their children's financial support than the NCPs. So what does
the state do? It hands them money for nothing and tosses the dad in jail. That
policy is a real stroke of genius. Now why is it that the state doesn't make the
CP get a job or two and pay *us* back the tax money she spent on the beer, bon
bons, anti-psychotic meds and comcast account?

Any CP who refuses to work at increasing her earnings capacity so she can
provide better for her children is no less a deadbeat than the non-paying dad.
Yet, she'll whine at how hard she has it because of the support *she* is "owed."
Curiously, this includes most of the CPs who come here whining about "deadbeat
dads." The loudest whiners are the laziest CPs which *clearly* distinguishes
them from the CP mom regulars here who are college educated and taking very good
care of their children regardless of what the dad is doing
hearty applause .
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