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Man wrongly convicted now owes $38,000 in back child support
"Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "teachrmama" wrote in message ... I notice that you did not respond to my answer to your question. I can only assume that it did not come through to your server, so I am reposting it for you: Moon: Of course, if you REALLY want to get down to picayune semantics, he shouldn't have been in jail. Therefore, he should have been continuing to support his children. So, who would you like to blame for that one? TM: I actually, have not been blaming people, Moon. I have been saying that it is outrageous that he has been hit with such a huge arrearage. I think everyone involved should show compassion and remove this debt from him by whatever means available. He has endured enough. Would you, in a similar circumstance, demand that money? Moon: I don't know. I DO know, however, that you don't show the same compassion for an alcoholic woman (keeping in mind that alcoholism is a desease found in the physician's guide) who is unable to support her family :-) It cuts both ways, Teach - even though you may not like it. TM: Are you saying that choosing to drink even though you know that taking that first drink will cause a flare-ip of your disease is the same as being sent to prison for a crime you didn't commit? Alcoholism can be controlled--just don't drink. It's a disease - a really ****ty one. I didn't say it was the same as being jailed, except that both can land a person in a position where they are unable to support their families. Diabetes is a disease--a really ****ty one. But millions of people control it by proper diest, exercise, use of insulin, etc. They do not use it as an excuse to avoid their responsibilities. High blood pressure is a disease--a really ****ty one. But millions of people deal with it by diet, exercise, proper diet and medication. They do not use it as an excuse to avoid their responsibilities. Perhaps alcoholism, too, is a disease. But millions of people control it by not drinking (one day at a time). They do not use it as an excuse to avoid their responsibilities. Being in jail for a crime you did not commit is not a disease, and cannot be controlled by the person who experiences it. They are unable to meet what would be their responsibilities were they not unfairly incarcerated. And, Moon, there is a huge difference between being unable to support your family (such as being locked up in jail) and being unwilling to do so, knowing that if you don't haul your butt out of bed and go to work, someone else will step in and provide for both you and the children you bring into the world. A huge difference. One is out of your control--and one is choice. I'm not sure I necessarily agree with you on that last one. What part do you disagree with? The part about a mother who refuses to haul her butt out of bed because she knows she and her children will be supported any way? Or the part about the person locked up in jail being unable to support his family? Or the part about taking that first drink being a choice? |
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Man wrongly convicted now owes $38,000 in back child support
"Dusty" wrote in message ... "Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "teachrmama" wrote in message ... I notice that you did not respond to my answer to your question. I can only assume that it did not come through to your server, so I am reposting it for you: Moon: Of course, if you REALLY want to get down to picayune semantics, he shouldn't have been in jail. Therefore, he should have been continuing to support his children. So, who would you like to blame for that one? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'd like to know something - just exactly when did being falsely accused, arrested, and subsequently jailed for murder became a trivial thing? I don't see where anyone has said it's a trivial thing. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ TM: I actually, have not been blaming people, Moon. I have been saying that it is outrageous that he has been hit with such a huge arrearage. I think everyone involved should show compassion and remove this debt from him by whatever means available. He has endured enough. Would you, in a similar circumstance, demand that money? Moon: I don't know. I DO know, however, that you don't show the same compassion for an alcoholic woman (keeping in mind that alcoholism is a desease found in the physician's guide) who is unable to support her family :-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The 'complex chronic psychological and nutritional disorder associated with excessive and usually compulsive drinking' is what alcoholism is. It is not a disease. Cystic Fibrosis is a disease. Sickle Cell Anemia is a disease. Leprosy is a disease. Alcoholism is -not- a disease, it is a mental disorder, nothing more. Yes, there does appears to be some sort of genetic connection related to alcoholism, but that hardly makes it a disease. It's a disease. It has a cause, it has symptoms, it has a treatment, in every way it qualifies as a disease. Being jailed for a false crime is not something that anyone, even you Moon, would find to be within their ability to control. Unlike alcoholism, which is a choice, jail time for a false murder charge is not. The truth can hurt Moon - even though you may not like it. And apparently you don't like it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ TM: Are you saying that choosing to drink even though you know that taking that first drink will cause a flare-ip of your disease is the same as being sent to prison for a crime you didn't commit? Alcoholism can be controlled--just don't drink. It's a disease - a really ****ty one. I didn't say it was the same as being jailed, except that both can land a person in a position where they are unable to support their families. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ According to Websters... Alcoholism Pronunciation: 'al-k&-"ho-"li-z&m, -k&-h&- Function: noun 1 : continued excessive or compulsive use of alcoholic drinks 2 : poisoning by alcohol; especially : a complex chronic psychological and nutritional disorder associated with excessive and usually compulsive drinking Even WebMD lists it as a neurological disorder. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And, Moon, there is a huge difference between being unable to support your family (such as being locked up in jail) and being unwilling to do so, knowing that if you don't haul your butt out of bed and go to work, someone else will step in and provide for both you and the children you bring into the world. A huge difference. One is out of your control--and one is choice. I'm not sure I necessarily agree with you on that last one. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ So, I suppose that when a person gets mugged, raped or murdered, you'd somehow come up with the cockamamie idea that it was the victim's fault for what the criminal did to them. And I'm quite sure that you'd call stubbing one's toe a disease as well... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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Man wrongly convicted now owes $38,000 in back child support
"teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "teachrmama" wrote in message ... I notice that you did not respond to my answer to your question. I can only assume that it did not come through to your server, so I am reposting it for you: Moon: Of course, if you REALLY want to get down to picayune semantics, he shouldn't have been in jail. Therefore, he should have been continuing to support his children. So, who would you like to blame for that one? TM: I actually, have not been blaming people, Moon. I have been saying that it is outrageous that he has been hit with such a huge arrearage. I think everyone involved should show compassion and remove this debt from him by whatever means available. He has endured enough. Would you, in a similar circumstance, demand that money? Moon: I don't know. I DO know, however, that you don't show the same compassion for an alcoholic woman (keeping in mind that alcoholism is a desease found in the physician's guide) who is unable to support her family :-) It cuts both ways, Teach - even though you may not like it. TM: Are you saying that choosing to drink even though you know that taking that first drink will cause a flare-ip of your disease is the same as being sent to prison for a crime you didn't commit? Alcoholism can be controlled--just don't drink. It's a disease - a really ****ty one. I didn't say it was the same as being jailed, except that both can land a person in a position where they are unable to support their families. Diabetes is a disease--a really ****ty one. But millions of people control it by proper diest, exercise, use of insulin, etc. They do not use it as an excuse to avoid their responsibilities. High blood pressure is a disease--a really ****ty one. But millions of people deal with it by diet, exercise, proper diet and medication. They do not use it as an excuse to avoid their responsibilities. Perhaps alcoholism, too, is a disease. But millions of people control it by not drinking (one day at a time). They do not use it as an excuse to avoid their responsibilities. Being in jail for a crime you did not commit is not a disease, and cannot be controlled by the person who experiences it. They are unable to meet what would be their responsibilities were they not unfairly incarcerated. And, Moon, there is a huge difference between being unable to support your family (such as being locked up in jail) and being unwilling to do so, knowing that if you don't haul your butt out of bed and go to work, someone else will step in and provide for both you and the children you bring into the world. A huge difference. One is out of your control--and one is choice. I'm not sure I necessarily agree with you on that last one. What part do you disagree with? The part about a mother who refuses to haul her butt out of bed because she knows she and her children will be supported any way? I disagree that you can claim to know someone else's motivations. Or the part about the person locked up in jail being unable to support his family? Or the part about taking that first drink being a choice? Most certainly I disagree with this part. That first drink can be a trigger to the disease - one that they may well not have known they were going to suffer from. Kind like like that workaholic who suffers a heart attack? The diabetic who loses his sight and one kidney? The smoker who ends up with cancer? Or is the cancer not a disease, because it just had to be from the choice of smoking? |
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Man wrongly convicted now owes $38,000 in back child support
"Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message news:6JyGf.24798$sA3.24392@fed1read02... "Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "teachrmama" wrote in message ... snip I don't know. I DO know, however, that you don't show the same compassion for an alcoholic woman (keeping in mind that alcoholism is a desease No it's not; it's a choice. It's not only a disease, but it has been found to have genetic components. http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/NewsEvents/...s/physguid.htm http://www.aafp.org/afp/990115ap/361.html http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract Posting a bunch of websites does not change the fact that choosing to pour alcohol down one's throat is NOT a disease. found in the physician's guide) who is unable to support her family :-) It cuts both ways, Teach - even though you may not like it. I mean, this will probably go around and around and around - and now I'm a nice, handy target for the venom and finger pointing for which this news group is so well known. So be it. I don't recall having been venemous with you, Moon. I don't recall ever being venemous with you, although we have had some rather intense discussions. |
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Man wrongly convicted now owes $38,000 in back child support
"Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "teachrmama" wrote in message ... I notice that you did not respond to my answer to your question. I can only assume that it did not come through to your server, so I am reposting it for you: Moon: Of course, if you REALLY want to get down to picayune semantics, he shouldn't have been in jail. Therefore, he should have been continuing to support his children. So, who would you like to blame for that one? TM: I actually, have not been blaming people, Moon. I have been saying that it is outrageous that he has been hit with such a huge arrearage. I think everyone involved should show compassion and remove this debt from him by whatever means available. He has endured enough. Would you, in a similar circumstance, demand that money? Moon: I don't know. I DO know, however, that you don't show the same compassion for an alcoholic woman (keeping in mind that alcoholism is a desease found in the physician's guide) who is unable to support her family :-) It cuts both ways, Teach - even though you may not like it. TM: Are you saying that choosing to drink even though you know that taking that first drink will cause a flare-ip of your disease is the same as being sent to prison for a crime you didn't commit? Alcoholism can be controlled--just don't drink. It's a disease - a really ****ty one. I didn't say it was the same as being jailed, except that both can land a person in a position where they are unable to support their families. Diabetes is a disease--a really ****ty one. But millions of people control it by proper diest, exercise, use of insulin, etc. They do not use it as an excuse to avoid their responsibilities. High blood pressure is a disease--a really ****ty one. But millions of people deal with it by diet, exercise, proper diet and medication. They do not use it as an excuse to avoid their responsibilities. Perhaps alcoholism, too, is a disease. But millions of people control it by not drinking (one day at a time). They do not use it as an excuse to avoid their responsibilities. Being in jail for a crime you did not commit is not a disease, and cannot be controlled by the person who experiences it. They are unable to meet what would be their responsibilities were they not unfairly incarcerated. And, Moon, there is a huge difference between being unable to support your family (such as being locked up in jail) and being unwilling to do so, knowing that if you don't haul your butt out of bed and go to work, someone else will step in and provide for both you and the children you bring into the world. A huge difference. One is out of your control--and one is choice. I'm not sure I necessarily agree with you on that last one. What part do you disagree with? The part about a mother who refuses to haul her butt out of bed because she knows she and her children will be supported any way? I disagree that you can claim to know someone else's motivations. Ah, but I notice you don't disagree with the fact that, if she doesn't haul her butt out of bed, she and her children will be cared for anyway. Or the part about the person locked up in jail being unable to support his family? Or the part about taking that first drink being a choice? Most certainly I disagree with this part. That first drink can be a trigger to the disease - one that they may well not have known they were going to suffer from. Not the first drink they ever took!! The first drink each and every time they go on a bender! Do you think that once an alcoholic drinks they are incapable ever after of refraining from drinking? If so, you are very, very wrong! There are millions of alcoholics who refrain from drinking one day at a time! Just as other diseases can be kept under control by following certain regimens, so, also, can alcoholism. There are drinking alcoholics and alcoholics who have made the choice to stop drinking. Many, many of them have been sober for years--even decades. The fact that they have the disease of alcoholism does not stop them from holding jobs, supporting their families and living life sober. Having the disease may not be a choice--but drinking *is* a choice. |
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Man wrongly convicted now owes $38,000 in back child support
"Chris" wrote in message news:v4VGf.25332$sA3.8449@fed1read02... "Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message news:6JyGf.24798$sA3.24392@fed1read02... "Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "teachrmama" wrote in message ... snip I don't know. I DO know, however, that you don't show the same compassion for an alcoholic woman (keeping in mind that alcoholism is a desease No it's not; it's a choice. It's not only a disease, but it has been found to have genetic components. http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/NewsEvents/...s/physguid.htm http://www.aafp.org/afp/990115ap/361.html http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract Posting a bunch of websites does not change the fact that choosing to pour alcohol down one's throat is NOT a disease. I won't even enter into an argument about whether or not alcoholism is a disease, because, as you say, it is a choice whether or not to pour alcohol down one's throat. If one knows that one cannot handle alcohol, one should not indulge in alcohol. Just as one who has a peanut allergy should not indulge in a peanut butter sandwich. |
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Man wrongly convicted now owes $38,000 in back child support
"Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "Dusty" wrote in message ... "Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "teachrmama" wrote in message ... I notice that you did not respond to my answer to your question. I can only assume that it did not come through to your server, so I am reposting it for you: Moon: Of course, if you REALLY want to get down to picayune semantics, he shouldn't have been in jail. Therefore, he should have been continuing to support his children. So, who would you like to blame for that one? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'd like to know something - just exactly when did being falsely accused, arrested, and subsequently jailed for murder became a trivial thing? I don't see where anyone has said it's a trivial thing. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ TM: I actually, have not been blaming people, Moon. I have been saying that it is outrageous that he has been hit with such a huge arrearage. I think everyone involved should show compassion and remove this debt from him by whatever means available. He has endured enough. Would you, in a similar circumstance, demand that money? Moon: I don't know. I DO know, however, that you don't show the same compassion for an alcoholic woman (keeping in mind that alcoholism is a desease found in the physician's guide) who is unable to support her family :-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The 'complex chronic psychological and nutritional disorder associated with excessive and usually compulsive drinking' is what alcoholism is. It is not a disease. Cystic Fibrosis is a disease. Sickle Cell Anemia is a disease. Leprosy is a disease. Alcoholism is -not- a disease, it is a mental disorder, nothing more. Yes, there does appears to be some sort of genetic connection related to alcoholism, but that hardly makes it a disease. It's a disease. It has a cause, it has symptoms, it has a treatment, in every way it qualifies as a disease. There is no treatment for alcoholism because it is a choice. What causes it? The choice to consume alcohol. What is the symptom? Choosing excessive consumption. In every way it qualifies as a choice. Being jailed for a false crime is not something that anyone, even you Moon, would find to be within their ability to control. Unlike alcoholism, which is a choice, jail time for a false murder charge is not. The truth can hurt Moon - even though you may not like it. And apparently you don't like it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ TM: Are you saying that choosing to drink even though you know that taking that first drink will cause a flare-ip of your disease is the same as being sent to prison for a crime you didn't commit? Alcoholism can be controlled--just don't drink. It's a disease - a really ****ty one. I didn't say it was the same as being jailed, except that both can land a person in a position where they are unable to support their families. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ According to Websters... Alcoholism Pronunciation: 'al-k&-"ho-"li-z&m, -k&-h&- Function: noun 1 : continued excessive or compulsive use of alcoholic drinks 2 : poisoning by alcohol; especially : a complex chronic psychological and nutritional disorder associated with excessive and usually compulsive drinking Even WebMD lists it as a neurological disorder. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And, Moon, there is a huge difference between being unable to support your family (such as being locked up in jail) and being unwilling to do so, knowing that if you don't haul your butt out of bed and go to work, someone else will step in and provide for both you and the children you bring into the world. A huge difference. One is out of your control--and one is choice. I'm not sure I necessarily agree with you on that last one. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ So, I suppose that when a person gets mugged, raped or murdered, you'd somehow come up with the cockamamie idea that it was the victim's fault for what the criminal did to them. And I'm quite sure that you'd call stubbing one's toe a disease as well... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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"Moon Shyne" wrote in message
... "Dusty" wrote in message ... "Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "teachrmama" wrote in message ... I notice that you did not respond to my answer to your question. I can only assume that it did not come through to your server, so I am reposting it for you: Moon: Of course, if you REALLY want to get down to picayune semantics, he shouldn't have been in jail. Therefore, he should have been continuing to support his children. So, who would you like to blame for that one? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'd like to know something - just exactly when did being falsely accused, arrested, and subsequently jailed for murder became a trivial thing? I don't see where anyone has said it's a trivial thing. Oh, excuse me, but did you or did you not write the following: "..to get down to picayune semantics, he shouldn't have been in jail.."? The word "picayune" means "trivial". Or where you in a vodka haze when you wrote it? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ TM: I actually, have not been blaming people, Moon. I have been saying that it is outrageous that he has been hit with such a huge arrearage. I think everyone involved should show compassion and remove this debt from him by whatever means available. He has endured enough. Would you, in a similar circumstance, demand that money? Moon: I don't know. I DO know, however, that you don't show the same compassion for an alcoholic woman (keeping in mind that alcoholism is a desease found in the physician's guide) who is unable to support her family :-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The 'complex chronic psychological and nutritional disorder associated with excessive and usually compulsive drinking' is what alcoholism is. It is not a disease. Cystic Fibrosis is a disease. Sickle Cell Anemia is a disease. Leprosy is a disease. Alcoholism is -not- a disease, it is a mental disorder, nothing more. Yes, there does appears to be some sort of genetic connection related to alcoholism, but that hardly makes it a disease. It's a disease. It has a cause, it has symptoms, it has a treatment, in every way it qualifies as a disease. It what? "qualifies"?? ROTFLMAO!!!!!!! Being jailed for a false crime is not something that anyone, even you Moon, would find to be within their ability to control. Unlike alcoholism, which is a choice, jail time for a false murder charge is not. The truth can hurt Moon - even though you may not like it. And apparently you don't like it. Oh, plah-eeez!! You wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up, bit you on the nose and dangled there for a month. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ TM: Are you saying that choosing to drink even though you know that taking that first drink will cause a flare-ip of your disease is the same as being sent to prison for a crime you didn't commit? Alcoholism can be controlled--just don't drink. It's a disease - a really ****ty one. I didn't say it was the same as being jailed, except that both can land a person in a position where they are unable to support their families. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ According to Websters... Alcoholism Pronunciation: 'al-k&-"ho-"li-z&m, -k&-h&- Function: noun 1 : continued excessive or compulsive use of alcoholic drinks 2 : poisoning by alcohol; especially : a complex chronic psychological and nutritional disorder associated with excessive and usually compulsive drinking Even WebMD lists it as a neurological disorder. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And, Moon, there is a huge difference between being unable to support your family (such as being locked up in jail) and being unwilling to do so, knowing that if you don't haul your butt out of bed and go to work, someone else will step in and provide for both you and the children you bring into the world. A huge difference. One is out of your control--and one is choice. I'm not sure I necessarily agree with you on that last one. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ So, I suppose that when a person gets mugged, raped or murdered, you'd somehow come up with the cockamamie idea that it was the victim's fault for what the criminal did to them. And I'm quite sure that you'd call stubbing one's toe a disease as well... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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Man wrongly convicted now owes $38,000 in back child support
Moon Shyne wrote: "Werebat" wrote in message news:ilGGf.79261$QW2.58943@dukeread08... Moon Shyne wrote: "Chris" wrote in message news:6JyGf.24798$sA3.24392@fed1read02... "Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "teachrmama" wrote in message ... snip I don't know. I DO know, however, that you don't show the same compassion for an alcoholic woman (keeping in mind that alcoholism is a desease No it's not; it's a choice. It's not only a disease, but it has been found to have genetic components. http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/NewsEvents/...s/physguid.htm http://www.aafp.org/afp/990115ap/361.html http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract You can certainly make a case that the proclivity to overindulge is not something that a person chooses. Just like you can make a case that the proclivity to engage in sex with children is not something that an adult chooses. I'd agree that we should give alcoholic women and men who ruin their own lives and the lives of others around them exactly the same sort of compassion that we give to child molesters who do the same thing. You would. Ad hominem and a buck with get you an ice bream bar and the gas station. - Ron ^*^ |
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Man wrongly convicted now owes $38,000 in back child support
"Dusty" wrote in message ... "Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "Dusty" wrote in message ... "Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "teachrmama" wrote in message ... I notice that you did not respond to my answer to your question. I can only assume that it did not come through to your server, so I am reposting it for you: Moon: Of course, if you REALLY want to get down to picayune semantics, he shouldn't have been in jail. Therefore, he should have been continuing to support his children. So, who would you like to blame for that one? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'd like to know something - just exactly when did being falsely accused, arrested, and subsequently jailed for murder became a trivial thing? I don't see where anyone has said it's a trivial thing. Oh, excuse me, but did you or did you not write the following: "..to get down to picayune semantics, he shouldn't have been in jail.."? The word "picayune" means "trivial". Or where you in a vodka haze when you wrote it? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ TM: I actually, have not been blaming people, Moon. I have been saying that it is outrageous that he has been hit with such a huge arrearage. I think everyone involved should show compassion and remove this debt from him by whatever means available. He has endured enough. Would you, in a similar circumstance, demand that money? Moon: I don't know. I DO know, however, that you don't show the same compassion for an alcoholic woman (keeping in mind that alcoholism is a desease found in the physician's guide) who is unable to support her family :-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The 'complex chronic psychological and nutritional disorder associated with excessive and usually compulsive drinking' is what alcoholism is. It is not a disease. Cystic Fibrosis is a disease. Sickle Cell Anemia is a disease. Leprosy is a disease. Alcoholism is -not- a disease, it is a mental disorder, nothing more. Yes, there does appears to be some sort of genetic connection related to alcoholism, but that hardly makes it a disease. It's a disease. It has a cause, it has symptoms, it has a treatment, in every way it qualifies as a disease. It what? "qualifies"?? ROTFLMAO!!!!!!! Being jailed for a false crime is not something that anyone, even you Moon, would find to be within their ability to control. Unlike alcoholism, which is a choice, jail time for a false murder charge is not. The truth can hurt Moon - even though you may not like it. And apparently you don't like it. Oh, plah-eeez!! You wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up, bit you on the nose and dangled there for a month. Ok, and apparently you are incapable of having a discussion without the gratuitous insults. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ TM: Are you saying that choosing to drink even though you know that taking that first drink will cause a flare-ip of your disease is the same as being sent to prison for a crime you didn't commit? Alcoholism can be controlled--just don't drink. It's a disease - a really ****ty one. I didn't say it was the same as being jailed, except that both can land a person in a position where they are unable to support their families. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ According to Websters... Alcoholism Pronunciation: 'al-k&-"ho-"li-z&m, -k&-h&- Function: noun 1 : continued excessive or compulsive use of alcoholic drinks 2 : poisoning by alcohol; especially : a complex chronic psychological and nutritional disorder associated with excessive and usually compulsive drinking Even WebMD lists it as a neurological disorder. http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/NewsEvents/...s/physguid.htm http://www.aafp.org/afp/990115ap/361.html http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract Perhaps you missed when I posted these? In any event - it doesn't matter when you agree with me or not. That's the really cool thing about an opinion - everyone has the right to have one. |
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