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Immunization Graphs:
http://genesgreenbook.com/resources/...phs-RO2009.pdf
Figures one (1) through eleven (11) graphically illustrate that in North America, Europe, and the South Pacific , major declines in life-threatening infectious diseases occurred historically either without, or far in advance of public immunization efforts for specific diseases as listed. This provides irrefutable evidence that vaccines are not necessary for the effective elimination of a wide range of infectious diseases Figures eleven (12) through twenty-four (24) graphically illustrate that immunization is not by any means a proven and foolproof measure for protection from various infectious disease conditions. It is often inconsequential epidemiologically, and in some cases it is shown to actually worsen health-care outcomes. |
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john wrote:
http://genesgreenbook.com/resources/...phs-RO2009.pdf Figures one (1) through eleven (11) graphically illustrate that in North America, Europe, and the South Pacific , major declines in life-threatening infectious diseases occurred historically either without, or far in advance of public immunization efforts for specific diseases as listed. This provides irrefutable evidence that vaccines are not necessary for the effective elimination of a wide range of infectious diseases Figures eleven (12) through twenty-four (24) graphically illustrate that immunization is not by any means a proven and foolproof measure for protection from various infectious disease conditions. It is often inconsequential epidemiologically, and in some cases it is shown to actually worsen health-care outcomes. http://jdc325.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/measles/ |
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 21:49:22 -0000, "john" wrote:
http://whale.to/vaccines/measles.html So what? .. -- "Weiber sind von der Natur zum gemeinschaftlichen Genuß bestimmt." (Kapokrates, Frühchrist und Klostergründer) Mehr über den klerikalen Frauenverschleiß: http://www.reimbibel.de |
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Steven Bornfeld wrote:
john wrote: http://genesgreenbook.com/resources/...phs-RO2009.pdf Figures one (1) through eleven (11) graphically illustrate that in North America, Europe, and the South Pacific , major declines in life-threatening infectious diseases occurred historically either without, or far in advance of public immunization efforts for specific diseases as listed. This provides irrefutable evidence that vaccines are not necessary for the effective elimination of a wide range of infectious diseases Figures eleven (12) through twenty-four (24) graphically illustrate that immunization is not by any means a proven and foolproof measure for protection from various infectious disease conditions. It is often inconsequential epidemiologically, and in some cases it is shown to actually worsen health-care outcomes. http://jdc325.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/measles/ So? The point was that measles incidence and mortality sharply decreased well before the vaccinations. It stands. Some numbers: 863 deaths in the USA in the 1958-1967 - that is, 10 years before the vaccinations. In 1968-1977 - 292 deaths In 1979-1988 - 140 In 1989-1998 - 10 So far, so good. But it 1933, there were 44 deaths in the FIRST 10 WEEKS in New York City ALONE. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...747256,00.html There are also graphs at http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/ and http://1phil4everyill.wordpress.com/...cure-or-cause/ We can see for example that measles mortality in the USA in 1933 was about 80 cases per 1 million population - that is, about 10,000 cases. Per year, not per 10 years. That translates to 92% reduction in 35 years from 1933 to 1968, without vaccinations. Now vax flacks want us to believe that 66% or 87% decrease of deaths in 10 years are solely the result of vaccinations. Sorry, it does not fly. Part of it - yes, but all of it - no. |
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"Mike" wrote in message Sorry, it does not fly. Part of it - yes, but all of it - no. None of it, UK measles deaths declined 99.4% before vaccination in 1968. Deaths are all down to Allopathy which suppresses the truth, mostly the correct therapies, eg Vitamin C, naturopathy. Most deaths are due to chemotherapy. Then the MMR vaccine created a huge upsurge in autism on top of the mercury DPT vaccines, along with bowel disease. Also death from MMR are way over measles deaths. |
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Mike wrote: The point was that measles incidence and mortality sharply decreased ^^^^^^^^^ well before the vaccinations. It stands. Some numbers: 863 deaths in the USA in the 1958-1967 - that is, 10 years before the vaccinations. In 1968-1977 - 292 deaths In 1979-1988 - 140 In 1989-1998 - 10 Note that you present no evidence of reduction of measles *incidence*, only of measles *mortality*. We can see for example that measles mortality in the USA in 1933 was about 80 cases per 1 million population - that is, about 10,000 cases. Per year, not per 10 years. That translates to 92% reduction in 35 years from 1933 to 1968, without vaccinations. Almost all that reduction in *mortality* was due to the availability of antibiotics after WWII, because the major cause of measles mortality was bacterial pneumonia, which could not be effectively treated before antibiotics. The next greatest cause of measles mortality, measles encephalitis, was not affected. Only vaccination can prevent measles encephalitis. Before the vaccine, it was accepted that just about every child would get measles. The *incidence* remained very high. I know -- I was there. Now vax flacks want us to believe that 66% or 87% decrease of deaths in 10 years are solely the result of vaccinations. A reduction from 863 to 10 is almost 99%. A reduction from 292 to 10 is almost 97%. A reduction from 140 to 10 is about 93%. The measles vaccine wasn't available to all children in the US, especially at first, so the plummetting numbers of deaths reflect increased numbers of children protected by vaccination, and hence measles encephalitis, the main cause of measles deaths when effective medical care for bacterial pneumonia is available. Sorry, it does not fly. Part of it - yes, but all of it - no. It's characteristic of medical denialists to distort statistics. Death is not the only bad outcome of measles. One complication, measles encephalitis, is still impossible to treat effectively. It can not only cause death, but commonly causes permanent brain damage and blindness. Before the vaccine, measles was the most common cause of blindness in children. By reducing the incidence of measles, ideally to zero, as is common in more advanced countries than the US, vaccines prevent not only measles deaths, but brain damage and blindness. And secondary pneumonia after measles. And a lot of suffering by children, and those who love and care for them. Btw, I note that you leave out the figures for 1978 and for 1999-2008 above. I wonder why that is? I also wonder why deaths for the years between 1933 and 1958 are not broken down in a way to show the effect of the advent of antibiotics. But as part of the denialist agenda, you wouldn't want to credit antibiotics with any benefits, would you? |
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"Beverly Erlebacher" wrote in message of the advent of antibiotics. But as part of the denialist agenda, you wouldn't want to credit antibiotics with any benefits, would you? "Up to 90% of the total decline in the death rate of children between 1860-1965 because of whooping cough, scarlet fever, diptheria, and measles occurred before the introduction of immunisations and antibiotics."---Dr Archie Kalokerinos, M.D. (Introduction to AIDS Time Bomb by John West) if you vax denialists really cared about measles deaths you would be using vitamin C, since 1949 http://whale.to/a/vit_c_cons.html |
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"Beverly Erlebacher" wrote in message .. . Only vaccination can prevent measles encephalitis. ********, cause it more like http://whale.to/vaccines/encephalitis.htm "What could be the cause of so much encephalitis in the US population? The only possible cause is the childhood vaccination program. The pertussis and measles vaccines are particularly dangerous, but all the vaccines have made a certain contribution."--Harris Coulter Before the vaccine, it was accepted that just about every child would get measles. The *incidence* remained very high. I know -- I was there. So was I. See: http://whale.to/m/measles3.html |
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 23:16:42 -0400, Mike wrote:
The point was that measles incidence and mortality sharply decreased well before the vaccinations. It stands. That is bull****. The number of infections is the key! .. -- "Weiber sind von der Natur zum gemeinschaftlichen Genuß bestimmt." (Kapokrates, Frühchrist und Klostergründer) Mehr über den klerikalen Frauenverschleiß: http://www.reimbibel.de |
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