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Old April 22nd 08, 06:16 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine,misc.kids.health,misc.headlines
Ilena Rose
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Default Obama Climbs On The Vaccine Bandwagon

Obama Climbs On The Vaccine
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-...i_b_97969.html
Posted April 22, 2008 | 11:29 AM (EST)
Breaking Home News

Note from Ilena Rosenthal: First McCain ... now Obama ... thank you to
the brave vaccination awareness advocates who have refused to be
silenced ... www.ilenarose.blogspot.com

Barring some big Clinton blowout in Pennsylvania today, the next
President of the United States will unequivocally support research
into the growing evidence of some link between vaccines and autism.

Republican John McCain has already expressed his belief that vaccines
and the mercury containing preservative thimerosal could be implicated
in what he has rightly termed an "autism epidemic."

Yesterday, at a rally in Pennsylvania, Barack Obama had this rather
surprising thing to say:

"We've seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Some people are
suspicious that it's connected to the vaccines. This person included.
The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it."

So there you have it, our next President will share the views of such
radical fringe crazies as, well, me, Democrat Robert Kennedy, Jr.,
Republican Joe Scarborough, former NIH and Red Cross chief Bernadine
Healy, and several researchers at Harvard, Johns Hopkins, the
Universities of California and Washington and elsewhere.


All of us agree: Current evidence suggests that vaccines could be a
contributing factor in some cases of autism, and more research is
immediately required.

And yes, now the comments to this piece will come flying in, repeating
the tired mantra that "this case is closed," that vaccines and
thimerosal have been "completely vindicated," and that people like me
are just trying to scare the public and drive them away from vaccines,
leaving their children vulnerable and sick.

Of course, none of the above is true. So stay tuned.

To begin with, government researchers are currently looking into a
number of factors that may trigger autism, including vaccines, their
ingredients and the crowded vaccine schedule itself.

Secondly, on April 11th, I attended a top-level meeting in Washington
where vaccine safety officials discussed all of the above issues, and
more. Included on the Federal Draft Research Agenda for vaccine safety
are now questions such as:

Can vaccines cause neurodevelopmental disorders, such as autism?


Can vaccines in children with mitochondrial dysfunction cause
significant "neurological deterioration?"

Can the combination live-virus measles, mumps and rubella vaccine
cause seizures and long term damage in children?

Can vaccines cause autoimmune disease?

Can thimerosal cause tics or Tourette syndrome?

Can attenuated viruses in vaccines cause asthma in children?


So, no matter who is President next year, top government researchers
will be examining the role of vaccines in autism and other childhood
illnesses. Thus, the declarations of both McCain and, now, Obama, make
good scientific sense.

But there is more.

Dozens of autism cases (and perhaps more) currently filed in so-called
Vaccine Court will almost certainly be compensated this year. Why?
Because a little girl named Hannah Poling with a supposedly rare
mitochondrial condition was recently compensated for her own vaccine
injuries, including autism and epilepsy.

But I have personally identified at least a dozen (and there are
reports of many more) children with cases in the court who meet the
exact same medical criteria as Hannah, and whose cases will almost
surely be compensated as well -- each time with the attendant media
fanfare.

My prediction is that, by Election Day, few Americans will still
believe there is absolutely no evidence to link vaccines to at least
some cases of regressive autism.

So the remarks by McCain and Obama not only reflect good science, they
reflect good politics as well.
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Old April 23rd 08, 12:38 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine,misc.kids.health,misc.headlines
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Default Obama Climbs On The Vaccine Bandwagon

Vaccine is certainly implicated in autism even if it's not likely to
be the sole trigger. What's tragic is that vaccine is so completely
unncessary and without scientific basis.
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Old April 23rd 08, 12:51 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine,misc.kids.health,misc.headlines
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Default Obama Climbs On The Vaccine Bandwagon

On Apr 22, 7:38*pm, PeterB wrote:
Vaccine is certainly implicated in autism even if it's not likely to
be the sole trigger. *What's tragic is that vaccine is so completely
unncessary and without scientific basis.


While I agree with the uselessness and unscientific basis for vaccines
and the practice of ritual immunization, provide us with another
causative agent or agents that have the capacity to do the harm to a
developing infant that mercury, aluminum, and the other toxoids in
vaccines have been shown to be able to do.

I suggest that the injected ethylmercury from thimerosal has the
capacity to do much more harm than the methylmercury from ingested
fish, particularly since the level of mercury intoxication is nearly
1000 times greater in concentration.

I further suggest that aluminum can and does do similar harm. The
synergism of aluminum and mercury is again at least 100 times more
toxic that either alone.

The toxoids in the DPT shot are the same toxoids used to study
encephalopathy in lab animals. The high pitched screaming of the kids
is due to the huge migrane headache caused by the brain swelling from
the toxoids.

The MMR toxoids have been shown to be involved in the terrible gut
problems of the autistic.

Would a 2x4 upside your head convince you that being hit with a piece
of wood swung with force hurts or would you need some more convincing?

DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
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Old April 23rd 08, 01:09 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine,misc.kids.health,misc.headlines
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Default Obama Climbs On The Vaccine Bandwagon

PeterB wrote:
Vaccine is certainly implicated in autism even if it's not likely to
be the sole trigger. What's tragic is that vaccine is so completely
unncessary and without scientific basis.


Really? Ever notice all those kids coming down with polio? Staying home
from school from measles? Having birth defects from rubella? Not anymore.

Vaccines completely eliminated polio in the Western hemisphrere, nearly
completely stopped measles (with all cases from sources outside the US),
decreased invasive Hib disease, nearly eliminated rubella-related birth
defects, decrease the incidence and severity of chicken pox, decreased
the rates of diptheria, tetanus and purtussis.

If you want to decrease the chances of your kid from getting sick or
dying, then vaccines are necessary.

Jeff
  #5  
Old April 23rd 08, 02:54 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine,misc.kids.health,misc.headlines
Myrl
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Default Obama Climbs On The Vaccine Bandwagon

On Apr 22, 5:09*pm, Jeff wrote:
PeterB wrote:
Vaccine is certainly implicated in autism even if it's not likely to
be the sole trigger. *What's tragic is that vaccine is so completely
unncessary and without scientific basis.


Really? Ever notice all those kids coming down with polio? Staying home
from school from measles? Having birth defects from rubella? Not anymore.

Vaccines completely eliminated polio in the Western hemisphrere, nearly
completely stopped measles (with all cases from sources outside the US),
decreased invasive Hib disease, nearly eliminated rubella-related birth
defects, decrease the incidence and severity of chicken pox, decreased
the rates of diptheria, tetanus and purtussis.

If you want to decrease the chances of your kid from getting sick or
dying, then vaccines are necessary.

Jeff



Most intelligent folks have figured out the enormous benefit seen from
vaccines, have far outweighed any small risk vaccinations present.

People who would promote an anti vaccination agenda in this day and
age, are either too young to remember the world with Polio, Rubella,
Whooping Cough, Mumps, etc.; OR they are too old and senile to
remember it!

  #6  
Old April 23rd 08, 04:45 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine,misc.kids.health,misc.headlines
Oliver
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Default Obama Climbs On The Vaccine Bandwagon

On Apr 22, 1:16*pm, Ilena Rose wrote:
Obama Climbs On The Vaccinehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/obama-climbs-on-the-vacci_b...
Posted April 22, 2008 | 11:29 AM (EST)
Breaking Home News

Note from Ilena Rosenthal: First McCain ... now Obama ... thank you to
the brave vaccination awareness advocates who have refused to be
silenced ...www.ilenarose.blogspot.com

Barring some big Clinton blowout in Pennsylvania today, the next
President of the United States will unequivocally support research
into the growing evidence of some link between vaccines and autism.

Republican John McCain has already expressed his belief that vaccines
and the mercury containing preservative thimerosal could be implicated
in what he has rightly termed an "autism epidemic."

Yesterday, at a rally in Pennsylvania, Barack Obama had this rather
surprising thing to say:

* * "We've seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Some people are
suspicious that it's connected to the vaccines. This person included.
The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it."

So there you have it, our next President will share the views of such
radical fringe crazies as, well, me, Democrat Robert Kennedy, Jr.,
Republican Joe Scarborough, former NIH and Red Cross chief Bernadine
Healy, and several researchers at Harvard, Johns Hopkins, the
Universities of California and Washington and elsewhere.

All of us agree: Current evidence suggests that vaccines could be a
contributing factor in some cases of autism, and more research is
immediately required.

And yes, now the comments to this piece will come flying in, repeating
the tired mantra that "this case is closed," that vaccines and
thimerosal have been "completely vindicated," and that people like me
are just trying to scare the public and drive them away from vaccines,
leaving their children vulnerable and sick.

Of course, none of the above is true. So stay tuned.

To begin with, government researchers are currently looking into a
number of factors that may trigger autism, including vaccines, their
ingredients and the crowded vaccine schedule itself.

Secondly, on April 11th, I attended a top-level meeting in Washington
where vaccine safety officials discussed all of the above issues, and
more. Included on the Federal Draft Research Agenda for vaccine safety
are now questions such as:

* * Can vaccines cause neurodevelopmental disorders, such as autism?

* * Can vaccines in children with mitochondrial dysfunction cause
significant "neurological deterioration?"

* * Can the combination live-virus measles, mumps and rubella vaccine
cause seizures and long term damage in children?

* * Can vaccines cause autoimmune disease?

* * Can thimerosal cause tics or Tourette syndrome?

* * Can attenuated viruses in vaccines cause asthma in children?

So, no matter who is President next year, top government researchers
will be examining the role of vaccines in autism and other childhood
illnesses. Thus, the declarations of both McCain and, now, Obama, make
good scientific sense.

But there is more.

Dozens of autism cases (and perhaps more) currently filed in so-called
Vaccine Court will almost certainly be compensated this year. Why?
Because a little girl named Hannah Poling with a supposedly rare
mitochondrial condition was recently compensated for her own vaccine
injuries, including autism and epilepsy.

But I have personally identified at least a dozen (and there are
reports of many more) children with cases in the court who meet the
exact same medical criteria as Hannah, and whose cases will almost
surely be compensated as well -- each time with the attendant media
fanfare.

My prediction is that, by Election Day, few Americans will still
believe there is absolutely no evidence to link vaccines to at least
some cases of regressive autism.

So the remarks by McCain and Obama not only reflect good science, they
reflect good politics as well.


Response from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:


www.ilenarose.blogspot.com


www.ilena-rosenthal.blogspot.com


www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/



On the pages cited above, serial scammer Ilena Rosenthal says you can
make a
tax-deductible donation to her fraudulent charity "Humantics". If you
like, you can
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activity by sending an

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The California Attorney-General and the IRS might take notice as well.
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Old April 23rd 08, 05:09 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine,misc.kids.health,misc.headlines
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Default Obama Climbs On The Vaccine Bandwagon

In article ,
PeterB wrote:
Vaccine is certainly implicated in autism even if it's not likely to
be the sole trigger.


Accused is not the same as implicated.

What's tragic is that vaccine is so completely
unncessary and without scientific basis.


So you keep claiming. Since you're immune to evidence, so you'll go
on claiming.

In your spare time, please explain whatever happened to measles in the
US. Without resorting to self-invented concepts like "subclinical
measles," I mean.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net
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"There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers."
-- John Dolan

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Old April 23rd 08, 05:15 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine,misc.kids.health,misc.headlines
Kevysmom[_2_]
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Default Obama Climbs On The Vaccine Bandwagon

Really? Ever notice all those kids coming down with polio? Staying home
from school from measles? Having birth defects from rubella? Not
anymore.

No, we just traded those diseases for cancer, asthma, autism,
diabetes, epilepsy, etc...ALL of
these diseases are now epidemic in our country.

1 out of 6 children have some form of developmental disorder. How did
this happen?




On Apr 22, 8:09 pm, Jeff wrote:
PeterB wrote:
Vaccine is certainly implicated in autism even if it's not likely to
be the sole trigger. What's tragic is that vaccine is so completely
unncessary and without scientific basis.


Really? Ever notice all those kids coming down with polio? Staying home
from school from measles? Having birth defects from rubella? Not anymore.

Vaccines completely eliminated polio in the Western hemisphrere, nearly
completely stopped measles (with all cases from sources outside the US),
decreased invasive Hib disease, nearly eliminated rubella-related birth
defects, decrease the incidence and severity of chicken pox, decreased
the rates of diptheria, tetanus and purtussis.

If you want to decrease the chances of your kid from getting sick or
dying, then vaccines are necessary.

Jeff



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Old April 23rd 08, 05:54 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine,misc.kids.health,misc.headlines
Myrl
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Default Obama Climbs On The Vaccine Bandwagon

On Apr 22, 9:15*pm, Kevysmom wrote:

No, we just traded those diseases for cancer, asthma, autism,
diabetes, epilepsy, etc...ALL of
these diseases are now epidemic in our country.

1 out of 6 children have some form of developmental disorder. How did
this happen?



Have you considered, fast food restauraunts, additives in food,
chemicals in the environment, the drug usage of the parents, etc.?

I can understand you may wish the vaccine industry is to blame,
because you can more readily target their deep pockets for litigation
dollars.

But the fact remains that autism continues to increase at alarming
rates, inspite of the fact that thimerosol has been removed from
childhood vaccines since 2001, with the exception of the flu vaccine.
Most children don't get the flu shot.

Also keep this in mind. About a week ago, settlement for all those
Ford Explorer roll-overs came to an end. Guess the outcome - $25
MILLION dollars went to the attorneys. But, the Explorer owners get
only a $500. coupon to use when buying a new Ford car - with the
caveat that they redeem the coupon within 30 days!

Folks need to rethink the logic of spending years in litigation that
only makes attorneys rich!


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Old April 23rd 08, 12:14 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine,misc.kids.health,misc.headlines
Jeff
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Default Obama Climbs On The Vaccine Bandwagon

Kevysmom wrote:
Really? Ever notice all those kids coming down with polio? Staying home

from school from measles? Having birth defects from rubella? Not
anymore.

No, we just traded those diseases for cancer, asthma, autism,
diabetes, epilepsy, etc...ALL of
these diseases are now epidemic in our country.


Yet vaccines have nothing to do with any of the diseases you mention. If
I am incorrect, please cite your scientific evidence.

1 out of 6 children have some form of developmental disorder. How did
this happen?


You tell me. And if you want to implicate vaccines, please provide the
scientific evidence.

Coincidence is not causation.

Jeff

On Apr 22, 8:09 pm, Jeff wrote:
PeterB wrote:
Vaccine is certainly implicated in autism even if it's not likely to
be the sole trigger. What's tragic is that vaccine is so completely
unncessary and without scientific basis.

Really? Ever notice all those kids coming down with polio? Staying home
from school from measles? Having birth defects from rubella? Not anymore.

Vaccines completely eliminated polio in the Western hemisphrere, nearly
completely stopped measles (with all cases from sources outside the US),
decreased invasive Hib disease, nearly eliminated rubella-related birth
defects, decrease the incidence and severity of chicken pox, decreased
the rates of diptheria, tetanus and purtussis.

If you want to decrease the chances of your kid from getting sick or
dying, then vaccines are necessary.

Jeff


 




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