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WDNNSCPS was Child Abuse is A Crime
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Kane's Komments News and Commentary on national and international child protection issues Kane Kane: So whaddahyahthink douggie boy. Criminal Court or Civil family court? How about you greegor? Birthing Under The Influence Oklahoma woman goes into labor after quaffing "Milwaukee's Best" JULY 15--A pregnant Oklahoma woman who split a case of beer with her boyfriend shortly before giving birth last month is facing felony child neglect charges. Melissa Irene Tanner, a 37-year-old mother of seven, had a blood alcohol content nearly four times the state's .08 limit, according to the below probable cause affidavit. Tanner's baby, a girl born June 30, had a BAC of .21, nearly three times the Oklahoma limit. Tanner, who first told a nurse that she was unaware of the pregnancy, was arrested and tossed into the Washington County lockup, where she is being held in lieu of $30,000 bail. Tanner, pictured at right in a booking photo, drank a case of beer a week during her pregnancy, and apparently preferred "the cheap stuff," according to the affidavit. In fact, a friend quoted by cops said that after the baby was born, she asked Tanner what the girl was going to be named. Tanner, the friend told deputies, replied, "Maybe Milwaukee's Best." ..... http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...51tanner1.html Kane: Yes, douggieboy we certainly want to move social work issues to the purview of the police...they are so good at that sort of thing with children's issues. Three officers, trooper resign amid sex investigation TUALATIN, Ore. - The Washington County district attorney's office announced it will not press criminal charges against three Tualatin police officers and one Oregon State Police trooper accused of having sexual contact with a female teen Explorer about five years ago. But all four men agreed to resign after investigators found a "high degree of certainty" that contact occurred, the district attorney's office said Wednesday. The four will also relinquish their Oregon law enforcement certifications from the Department of Public Safety Standards and Training, which allows them to serve as sworn police officers in Oregon. .......... http://katu.com/stories/78406.html Kane: Gee Doug, imagine, when you are discounting the incidents of child murder by parents, how easy it would have been for this guy to get away with it. I wonder how many other's do? Compared to foster parents that is. Man admits suffocating infant son By Debra Barayuga A 37-year-old man who admitted to suffocating his year-old son is facing 20 years in prison, with a mandatory minimum of six years and eight months. Tapelu Levu, an inmate at Halawa Correctional Facility, pleaded guilty yesterday in Circuit Court to manslaughter in the death of Maava Souza. Levu was indicted in September on a charge of second-degree murder, which carries penalties of life imprisonment with the possibility of parole. In court yesterday, Levu initially called the July 21, 2002, incident an accident and said that the child suffocated after Levu threw a blanket over him and left the room. Deputy Prosecutor Glenn Kim said that had the case gone to trial, the state would have proved that the child was smothered or suffocated and that the medical examiner had ruled that the boy's death was not an accident. Souza died of asphyxia. Upon questioning by Circuit Judge Michael Town, Levu haltingly responded, "I admit that I went suffocate my son."...... [[[ The dual verb form is common in Island slang. "I went suffocate.." just means "I suffocated..." Doesn't mean the speaker is stupid. Most folks in Hawaii are multi lingual...usually english, plus a little of their family's language of ethnic origin, and "pidgin." It's similar to "I be going," in black urban slang. ]]] http://starbulletin.com/2005/07/15/news/index10.html |
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Kane: So whaddahyahthink douggie boy. Criminal Court or Civil family court? How about you greegor? Hi, Kane, Criminal court is where felonies are heard. Birthing Under The Influence Oklahoma woman goes into labor after quaffing "Milwaukee's Best" JULY 15--A pregnant Oklahoma woman who split a case of beer with her boyfriend shortly before giving birth last month is facing felony child neglect charges. Melissa Irene Tanner, a 37-year-old mother of seven, had a blood alcohol content nearly four times the state's .08 limit, according to the below probable cause affidavit. Tanner's baby, a girl born June 30, had a BAC of .21, nearly three times the Oklahoma limit. Tanner, who first told a nurse that she was unaware of the pregnancy, was arrested and tossed into the Washington County lockup, where she is being held in lieu of $30,000 bail. Tanner, pictured at right in a booking photo, drank a case of beer a week during her pregnancy, and apparently preferred "the cheap stuff," according to the affidavit. In fact, a friend quoted by cops said that after the baby was born, she asked Tanner what the girl was going to be named. Tanner, the friend told deputies, replied, "Maybe Milwaukee's Best." ..... http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...51tanner1.html Kane: Yes, douggieboy we certainly want to move social work issues to the purview of the police...they are so good at that sort of thing with children's issues. The "we" would be inaccurate. You may want to move social work issues to police, but I don't. I don't want police to do social work. I just think social workers shouldn't be doing police work. I would like to see police to do the investigative work trained to do so that social workers can concentrate on doing the helping work they are trained to do. Apparently, state legislatures are increasingly coming to the same conclusion. Kane: Gee Doug, imagine, when you are discounting the incidents of child murder by parents, how easy it would have been for this guy to get away with it. I wonder how many other's do? Compared to foster parents that is. I have never discounted the incidence of child fatalities due to abuse and neglect. I have pointed out that state CPS agencies report to NCCANDS that fatalities due to abuse and neglect by foster carers is many times higher than fatalities due to abuse and neglect by other caregivers, including parents. Secondly, the DA makes it clear in the article that you post that the father would have been proven guilty if he had gone to trial. Obviously, the murderer did NOT get away with it. So it wasn't "easy" to get away with. He pleaded guilty. "Deputy Prosecutor Glenn Kim said that had the case gone to trial, the state would have proved that the child was smothered or suffocated and that the medical examiner had ruled that the boy's death was not an accident. Souza died of asphyxia." Good investigation conducted by police who are trained to do so produces evidence of the sort Prosecutor Kim feels confident will meet the beyond the reasonable doubt theshold in court. Could a social worker have located and properly weighed the same evidence? What do you think Kim would say? Again, you will note that your articles all address cases where the appropriate agency was used to do the investigation. The state did not find the need to send the poor little darlings to parenting classes and anger management therapy sessions. The state did not incarcerate the child victims that survived. Instead, in all of these incidences, the perp was incarcerated after people trained in investigation gathered the necessary evidence. Child abuse is not a disease. Child abuse is a crime. Once again, it was treated as such in the newsstories you share with us. Have a great day! Man admits suffocating infant son By Debra Barayuga A 37-year-old man who admitted to suffocating his year-old son is facing 20 years in prison, with a mandatory minimum of six years and eight months. Tapelu Levu, an inmate at Halawa Correctional Facility, pleaded guilty yesterday in Circuit Court to manslaughter in the death of Maava Souza. Levu was indicted in September on a charge of second-degree murder, which carries penalties of life imprisonment with the possibility of parole. In court yesterday, Levu initially called the July 21, 2002, incident an accident and said that the child suffocated after Levu threw a blanket over him and left the room. Deputy Prosecutor Glenn Kim said that had the case gone to trial, the state would have proved that the child was smothered or suffocated and that the medical examiner had ruled that the boy's death was not an accident. Souza died of asphyxia. Upon questioning by Circuit Judge Michael Town, Levu haltingly responded, "I admit that I went suffocate my son."...... [[[ The dual verb form is common in Island slang. "I went suffocate.." just means "I suffocated..." Doesn't mean the speaker is stupid. Most folks in Hawaii are multi lingual...usually english, plus a little of their family's language of ethnic origin, and "pidgin." It's similar to "I be going," in black urban slang. ]]] http://starbulletin.com/2005/07/15/news/index10.html |
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Doug wrote: Kane: So whaddahyahthink douggie boy. Criminal Court or Civil family court? How about you greegor? Hi, Kane, Criminal court is where felonies are heard. Yes. Is all child abuse then felonious? Criminal court is were historically misdemeanors are also heard. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...o ogle+Search You mislead people by your coverup of where child abuse charges that by CPS would be a civil matter and correctable in family court could go if it's all moved to criminal court. And you would be, obviously, allowing a great deal of abuse and neglect to go unhindered because it just missed the severest levels of injury. You are sick, sir. Very. Birthing Under The Influence Oklahoma woman goes into labor after quaffing "Milwaukee's Best" JULY 15--A pregnant Oklahoma woman who split a case of beer with her boyfriend shortly before giving birth last month is facing felony child neglect charges. Melissa Irene Tanner, a 37-year-old mother of seven, had a blood alcohol content nearly four times the state's .08 limit, according to the below probable cause affidavit. Tanner's baby, a girl born June 30, had a BAC of .21, nearly three times the Oklahoma limit. Tanner, who first told a nurse that she was unaware of the pregnancy, was arrested and tossed into the Washington County lockup, where she is being held in lieu of $30,000 bail. Tanner, pictured at right in a booking photo, drank a case of beer a week during her pregnancy, and apparently preferred "the cheap stuff," according to the affidavit. In fact, a friend quoted by cops said that after the baby was born, she asked Tanner what the girl was going to be named. Tanner, the friend told deputies, replied, "Maybe Milwaukee's Best." ..... http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...51tanner1.html Kane: Yes, douggieboy we certainly want to move social work issues to the purview of the police...they are so good at that sort of thing with children's issues. The "we" would be inaccurate. "We" are society. You exclude yourself from society? I thought so. You may want to move social work issues to police, but I don't. Yes you do. You have celebrated this very thing in some of your posts. Florida is an example. And it did NOT reduce child abuse there, as the media and the data shows. I don't want police to do social work. Nor should they. But they invariably will under your little sick plan. Where did you get the idea that police are not enforcers of social "norms" writ in to laws? You are dumber than you look....much. I just think social workers shouldn't be doing police work. They don't. They investigate ALL abuse reported to them that meets the criteria for investigation. Then.... Cases that warrant criminal prosecution is turned over to LE regularly. We've discussed that repeatedly in this ng, you and I, so your claim here points out your lies. It is the rule, you lie about, that the flow runs the other direction as well. CPS is often involved after the fact of a criminal investigation by police. Sometimes to follow up on what police see as not warranting a charge of a felony, and sometimes CPS taking the children because the charge of a felony has taken the parent(s) out of the child's lives temporarily. You are perpetuating your own lies. Manipulating readers is propaganda, not information. I would like to see police to do the investigative work trained to do so that social workers can concentrate on doing the helping work they are trained to do. The former already do, and the latter already do. Criminal cases go to the cops, and cops routinely turn over civil matters of child abuse, neglect, and endangerment to the CPS, which could use more social workers if the funding was adequate to hire them. Our problem, society's problem....and I like that you exclude yourself from it so pointedly as you did in the opening, since you are hardly a responsible member as you so demonstrate....is that they fail to devote enough public resource to the issue in relation to its true scope, in both size and severity. A great deal of denial goes on until the crimes exceed the civil and become the felonious. Apparently, state legislatures are increasingly coming to the same conclusion. You'd like to think so. And you'd like to persuade the uninformed reader here of that, but a close examination shows something a bit different. Kane: Gee Doug, imagine, when you are discounting the incidents of child murder by parents, how easy it would have been for this guy to get away with it. I wonder how many other's do? Compared to foster parents that is. I have never discounted the incidence of child fatalities due to abuse and neglect. You have done nothing but pretend that the only numbers, for comparison and policy setting are those "collected," when LE and Child Protection knows full well there are still vast numbers that go uncaught, unreported, and without any intervention at all. I have pointed out that state CPS agencies report to NCCANDS that fatalities due to abuse and neglect by foster carers is many times higher than fatalities due to abuse and neglect by other caregivers, including parents. You ignore that one population is under close and continuous scrutiny while the other, by law and circumstances is hardly observed individually. Ask a foster parent if they are under close and continuous supervision by the state. Secondly, the DA makes it clear in the article that you post that the father would have been proven guilty if he had gone to trial. Obviously, the murderer did NOT get away with it. So it wasn't "easy" to get away with. He pleaded guilty. Sure it was. He damn near did. And you would pretend that other parents that do such things don't get away with it? He was "unfortunate" in stumbling about like a boob. "Deputy Prosecutor Glenn Kim said that had the case gone to trial, the state would have proved that the child was smothered or suffocated and that the medical examiner had ruled that the boy's death was not an accident. Souza died of asphyxia." R R R .... what a riot. A prosecutor claims he could win....before and without the fact of a trial. Nothing new there is there? Ever seen what a good defense attorney can do to "expert" witnesses? Hell, I'd ask right off the bat: "Mr Forensic Specialist, could smothering, suffocation, happen any other way to an unattended child...say getting tangle in blankets around their head, and wedged down between the wall and the bed?" "Unnhh..unnhhh....unnhhh." Defense attorny, "Thank you Mr FS, that will be all." All this has nothing to do with the fact he could have easily have staged something a bit smarter, like the step grandmother in Oregon did recently, and NOT confess. Many murderers aren't so stupid. And would have forced it to trial. Good investigation conducted by police who are trained to do so produces evidence of the sort Prosecutor Kim feels confident will meet the beyond the reasonable doubt theshold in court. Some are. You ignore that if all child abuse were to go to the police for investigation the costs would be astronomical. Newbie cops aren't detectives. Or were you unaware that they are the ones doing investigations? ALL of them? Could a social worker have located and properly weighed the same evidence? What do you think Kim would say? When do you see Social workers, and NOT the cops, investigating a possible murder? I think Kim would say that criminal cases come from CPS, and civil cases go to CPS. And each is a speciality that does it best. Just how stupid to you take the readers here to be, outside of greegor and bobber the swift? Show us where CPS is doing, without the police, investigation of criminal felonies. Again, you will note that your articles all address cases where the appropriate agency was used to do the investigation. That's right. My point exactly and yet you pretend that this is not so...that CPS is doing criminal investigations that are police matters. As for what the public knows: CPS cases that do not escalate to felony cases rarely are seen in the media. They are, by journalistic standards, mundane, boring, and just plain dirty dreary little stories of hapless human failure. Good for a special now and then, but not enough blood (since they aren't felonies) to warrant the coverage. The state did not find the need to send the poor little darlings to parenting classes and anger management therapy sessions. I don't recall a single instance where the murder of a child resulted in CPS sending the perps to such classes and sessions...do you? The state did not incarcerate the child victims that survived. In many instances children that survived do in fact go into foster care temporarily. Do you consider those "incarcerated?" Same agency, same foster homes. Tell us your view. 0:- Instead, in all of these incidences, You are lying again, or compromised mentally. the perp was incarcerated after people trained in investigation gathered the necessary evidence. And the same is true in those cases that started with CPS and were turned over to LE for charges of criminal felony. Child abuse is not a disease. You are wrong. It, like a great deal of crime, (some criminalogists claim ALL is disease, social disease) is in fact a social disease. Your magical thinking, your errors in judgement are fully exposed with such a statement. Child abuse is most certainly a disease. Sometimes it's also a crime. Child abuse is a crime. Of course it is. That it is a disease does not preclude it being also a crime. And that is is a crime does not preclude it being also a disease. More thinking error on your part, or a deliberate attempt again to manipulate and mislead the reader into the simplistic either/or trap of error in judgement. I doubt that outside of the two previously mentioned, even the most ardent opponents of CPS here would miss your little ploy above, and not appreciate that someone as intelligent as you (hence it would be deliberate, not an accident) would insult their intelligence so cavalierly. Once again, it was treated as such in the newsstories you share with us. Yes, there is crime that is a disease that when acted out produces results that are so injurious that they must be prosecuted in criminal court. That nether removes the fact it's a disease, nor does it stop the court from sentencing the actors to rehabilitation services, as YOU yourself once pointed out in one of our usual exchanges on this subject. Apparently the court thinks it's a disease and that rehabilitation is an exceptable response along with punishment. Have a great day! Yes, I am having one. I'm quite tired and sore from shoveling spent stable bedding into my compost piles for four days. My thoughts as I rest today are these: Why the hell do I work so hard when I could have simply had you and your buddies here direct your energies and talents to doing what you do so well, shoveling the horse****. 0:- Man admits suffocating infant son By Debra Barayuga A 37-year-old man who admitted to suffocating his year-old son is facing 20 years in prison, with a mandatory minimum of six years and eight months. Tapelu Levu, an inmate at Halawa Correctional Facility, pleaded guilty yesterday in Circuit Court to manslaughter in the death of Maava Souza. Levu was indicted in September on a charge of second-degree murder, which carries penalties of life imprisonment with the possibility of parole. In court yesterday, Levu initially called the July 21, 2002, incident an accident and said that the child suffocated after Levu threw a blanket over him and left the room. Deputy Prosecutor Glenn Kim said that had the case gone to trial, the state would have proved that the child was smothered or suffocated and that the medical examiner had ruled that the boy's death was not an accident. Souza died of asphyxia. Upon questioning by Circuit Judge Michael Town, Levu haltingly responded, "I admit that I went suffocate my son."...... [[[ The dual verb form is common in Island slang. "I went suffocate.." just means "I suffocated..." Doesn't mean the speaker is stupid. Most folks in Hawaii are multi lingual...usually english, plus a little of their family's language of ethnic origin, and "pidgin." It's similar to "I be going," in black urban slang. ]]] http://starbulletin.com/2005/07/15/news/index10.html |
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Kane: Yes, douggieboy we certainly want to move social work issues to the purview of the police...they are so good at that sort of thing with children's issues. The "we" would be inaccurate. "We" are society. Hi, Kane, ....Then society does not want to move social work issues to the purview of police. Child abuse is a crime. Crime comes under the purview of police. You exclude yourself from society? I thought so. No, it's just that you don't include all of society in your false statement that it wants social work issues handled by police. You may want to move social work issues to police, but I don't. Yes you do. You have celebrated this very thing in some of your posts. Florida is an example. And it did NOT reduce child abuse there, as the media and the data shows. No, I don't. I want to move child abuse investigations from social service workers to police, who are trained to investigate. Child abuse is a crime. Cops investigate crime. Florida is an example of police taking over the role of investigating child abuse. Since we last discussed it, two more counties have moved to the model. It has been very successful. Foster care populations have dropped tremendously because children are much less likely to be wrongfully removed from their homes. They don't. They investigate ALL abuse reported to them that meets the criteria for investigation. Then.... You are incorrect. CPS decidedly does NOT investigate all abuse reported to them. Law enforcement either takes the lead in many investigations over CPS or very often to the exclusion of CPS. Immediately. Cases that warrant criminal prosecution is turned over to LE regularly. We've discussed that repeatedly in this ng, you and I, so your claim here points out your lies. You are incorrect. Cases that warrant criminal investigation are often immediately taken over by law enforcement prior to and often to the exclusion of CPS involvement. My point exactly and yet you pretend that this is not so...that CPS is doing criminal investigations that are police matters. To the contrary, it is made crystal clear in ALL of the articles that police did the investigating. CPS is not mentioned. The articles you regularly post are evidence that police are investigating child abuse, as it should be. |
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Doug wrote: Kane writes: Kane: Yes, douggieboy we certainly want to move social work issues to the purview of the police...they are so good at that sort of thing with children's issues. The "we" would be inaccurate. "We" are society. Hi, Kane, ...Then society does not want to move social work issues to the purview of police. What it "wants" and what will happen, mostly out of being misinformed by curs such as you, is not the same. Child abuse is a crime. Some crime does. Some crime comes under civil law. The police may not even see it. That is the point of CPS. To keep it from becoming, as you pointed out in an earlier post, felonious. Crime comes under the purview of police. You intend doing away with all civil matters then? You exclude yourself from society? I thought so. No, it's just that you don't include all of society in your false statement that it wants social work issues handled by police. Yes, I include all society, and all society is not aware of the issue and makes not choice at all, knowingly. There is nothing false in my statement defining and clarifying what you are up to. You may want to move social work issues to police, but I don't. Yes you do. You have celebrated this very thing in some of your posts. Florida is an example. And it did NOT reduce child abuse there, as the media and the data shows. No, I don't. Of course you do. You often say things that are in fact not true, even for yourself. You are deluded, possibly delusional as well, it appears. It doesn't take genius to see that cops already DO social work....ask them about domestic violence calls, and they will have to do a good deal of the same kind of work as they do on those calls if they are going to be called on all child abuse cases that would have gone to CPS. Stop deluding yourself. I want to move child abuse investigations from social service workers to police, who are trained to investigate. Some police, not many, are trained to investigate child abuse. Different crimes require different investigative expertise in different areas. Ask a cop. And CPS workers are trained to investigate. You have lied about that in the past. You can stop now. They are so well trained they even know when to stop and turn a case over to a police detective for investigation. Child abuse is a crime. Cops investigate crime. Not all child abuse is a felony. Not all child abuse rises to the level of the perp being a felon. Florida is an example of police taking over the role of investigating child abuse. Yes, I know. And you are lying again below. Since we last discussed it, two more counties have moved to the model. That is the only truth in this statement. It has been very successful. Foster care populations have dropped tremendously because children are much less likely to be wrongfully removed from their homes. No, that is precisely NOT the reason foster care populations have dropped. Clearing of cases is the reason for that. And you know it. And in the counties involved MORE child abuse is being substantiated. You are bluffing, again. They don't. They investigate ALL abuse reported to them that meets the criteria for investigation. Then.... You are incorrect. CPS decidedly does NOT investigate all abuse reported to them. You'd even lie one sentence away from what I actually said? That takes balls. I said, "ALL abuse reported to them that meets the criteria for investigation." Liar. Law enforcement either takes the lead in many investigations over CPS or very often to the exclusion of CPS. Immediately. Where did I say otherwise? I said, and quite clearly, they each take the lead, and each is known to turn appropriate cases over to the other. If cops find a child in a situation as they make an arrest, for instance, where there is no evidence apparent to them that a felony against the child has taken place they often do turn the child and the of course a "case" over to CPS. Often CPS in investigating run across evidence...say in the disclosure of a sexual molestation, where they turn the case over to the police to investigate or work in tandem (police foremost....tandem means one behind the other). Stop lying to people, Doug. You aren't fooling anyone here but the fools. Cases that warrant criminal prosecution is turned over to LE regularly. We've discussed that repeatedly in this ng, you and I, so your claim here points out your lies. You are incorrect. No, I am not incorrect. If the evidence was not apparent until an investigation was underway by CPS, and that is often the case in those that the police are called in on, then there would be no reason for the police to be the initial investigators. Your illogic is being hysterical. Cases that warrant criminal investigation are often immediately taken over by law enforcement prior to and often to the exclusion of CPS involvement. Yes, that is correct, but in no way negates my statement. When CPS opens a case, and there is no evidence in the allegation call to suggest strong likelihood of a felony, CPS will investigate. If such evidence shows up, they will turn the case over to the police, sometimes still being part of the investigative team. Please stop this lying Doug. It's unfair to confuse the reader that might not know your history. My point exactly and yet you pretend that this is not so...that CPS is doing criminal investigations that are police matters. To the contrary, it is made crystal clear in ALL of the articles that police did the investigating. CPS is not mentioned. That was not the discussion underway, Doug. This is what you do when cornered and exposed as wrong....you immediately try a weasel dodge. How sick. The articles were simply ONE of the possibilities. We have plainly moved on to discussing more than the articles, wouldn't you say? 0:- The articles you regularly post are evidence that police are investigating child abuse, as it should be. And not evidence that CPS hasn't in fact initiated investigation in response to an allegation call. Many are just that....in fact we just went around about one...where a worker called in the police over suspicion that five small children had been left alone. I suspect that worker was there to "investigate" Doug, and you know it's true. Your capacity to twist and turn and avoid the truth, and that you are misleading and misdirecting is becoming legendary. Moving child abuse and neglect to exclusive LE investigations is going to be one of the biggest fiascos ever. Even the cops in the florida counties did NOT have the training, and said so with DOLLARS, and had to hire trained people to assist....guess who those trained investigators were? Why case workers, of course. You lost this one long ago, but like a snake with it's head cut off, you will writing and twist until sundown. 0:- |
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Doug wrote: Kane writes: Kane: Yes, douggieboy we certainly want to move social work issues to the purview of the police...they are so good at that sort of thing w= ith children's issues. The "we" would be inaccurate. "We" are society. Hi, Kane, ...Then society does not want to move social work issues to the purview of police. Child abuse is a crime. Crime comes under the purview of police. You exclude yourself from society? I thought so. No, it's just that you don't include all of society in your false stateme= nt that it wants social work issues handled by police. You may want to move social work issues to police, but I don't. Yes you do. You have celebrated this very thing in some of your posts. Florida is an example. And it did NOT reduce child abuse there, as the media and the data shows. No, I don't. I want to move child abuse investigations from social servi= ce workers to police, who are trained to investigate. Child abuse is a crim= e=2E Cops investigate crime. Florida is an example of police taking over the role of investigating chi= ld abuse. Since we last discussed it, two more counties have moved to the model. It has been very successful. Foster care populations have dropped tremendously because children are much less likely to be wrongfully remov= ed from their homes. They don't. They investigate ALL abuse reported to them that meets the criteria for investigation. Then.... You are incorrect. CPS decidedly does NOT investigate all abuse reported= to them. Law enforcement either takes the lead in many investigations over = CPS or very often to the exclusion of CPS. Immediately. Cases that warrant criminal prosecution is turned over to LE regularly. We've discussed that repeatedly in this ng, you and I, so your claim here points out your lies. You are incorrect. Cases that warrant criminal investigation are often immediately taken over by law enforcement prior to and often to the exclusion of CPS involvement. You are abysmally ignorant or deliberately lying and misleading people: http://www.ago.state.nm.us/divs/pros...childabuse.htm " Child Abuse Task Force- The office coordinates and hosts the NM Child Abuse Task Force. The task force consists of multidisciplinary professionals whose purpose is to facilitate consistent results in cases of serious child abuse cases throughout the State. The task force supports the multidisciplinary approach to the investigation of child abuse cases and the adoption of uniform protocols in each jurisdiction........" "We will dispatch a trained child abuse investigator when a law enforcement agency requests assistance in investigating a child death. We also have on staff several attorneys with specialized child abuse training and experience that are available to co-counsel cases with local prosecutors. Training- Our office actively participates with various groups in sponsoring and organizing training for prosecutors, investigators, law enforcement, social workers and other disciplines. Training topics include child abuse reporting, shaken-baby cases, sexual abuse investigation, and child sexual exploitation. We will provide an investigator or attorney with specialized expertise to present locally on these and other topics." [[[ The following refers to one of the many CARES or similar units all across the United States...and not all investigators are LE...in fact often there is NO LE involvement. ]]] http://www.childadvocacycenter.org/about.htm "ABOUT OUR CENTER In 1995 a small group of professionals and community volunteers met to consider a better, more sensitive way to respond to children in Southwest Missouri who were suspected victims of sexual or physical abuse. They wanted to give children a safe, easy place to talk about difficult, frightening things. The Child Advocacy Center is a place where a comprehensive coordinated approach is taken in response to allegations of child abuse. Children who may have been abused or who are witness to violent crime, are referred to our Center by the Juvenile Office, Division of Family Services or law enforcement, for a videotaped forensic interview, C=2EA.R.E. and/or S.A.F.E. exam......" "At the CAC, specially trained child interviewers, investigators, law enforcement and medical personnel form a team to make decisions about investigation, treatment and prosecution of child abuse cases. This approach proposes that children receive child-focused services in a child-friendly environment-one in which the child's needs come first." As for your great successes in Florida by the use of LE for investigations...they apparently don't even know when the are looking at an abuse situation: http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localne...er/2005/06/30= /s1b_abuse_0630.html " Panel praises child-abuse investigation teams By Kathleen Chapman Palm Beach Post Staff Writer Thursday, June 30, 2005 The death of 9-year-old Michael Bernard shocked community leaders in Palm Beach County. Nobody had paid much notice to the boy with cerebral palsy before he suffocated in a dirty room, trapped in his bed after his parents left for 17 hours. More local news Latest breaking news, photos and all of today's Post stories. =B7 State news Storm 2005: Hurricane news =B7 Sound off in the forum =B7 Columnists =B7 Crime, live scanners =B7 Photos | Special reports =B7 Weather | Traffic | Obituaries How, they asked, could child-abuse investigators not know that his father had been arrested 37 times? How could law enforcement go to the boy's house 15 times in one year but fail to save him? They responded in 2002 with a plan for cooperation between law enforcement and social workers they say is unique in Florida and maybe the country. More than 30 law enforcement agencies in Palm Beach County pledged to share information, make child abuse a priority and investigate every child-abuse claim along with a social worker from the Department of Children and Families. Children are safer today as a result, a grand jury concluded in a report released Wednesday. But not all local police departments are living up to the spirit of the agreement, they wrote. Road patrol officers aren't all trained in child-abuse investigations and don't always make the calls a priority. And few officers use or even have access to a database that was supposed to allow agencies to share their histories of involvement with local families. "As pleased as this Grand Jury is with the dedication displayed by many members of the law enforcement and child welfare communities," members wrote, "this Grand Jury is dismayed by the lack of commitment shown by others." Since the agreement in 2002, Palm Beach County has been the only place in the state where two investigators - one from law enforcement, one from DCF - respond to every allegation of child abuse. In most other counties, DCF child-abuse investigators call law enforcement only if they suspect a crime or want extra protection, while in a few places, like Broward County, sheriff's offices conduct all investigations under contract with the state. Leaders in Palm Beach County took a different approach. The social worker helps the family and decides whether the children should be taken into foster care, while the law enforcement officer looks for evidence of a crime. "What I wanted to see was two sets of eyes looking at the home," State Attorney Barry Krischer said. Ted Simpkins, who heads DCF in Palm Beach County, said abuse investigators, many of whom are young or inexperienced, are grateful for the help. Law enforcement officers give them "the comfort of knowing you're not going alone," he said. In February, Krischer asked the grand jury for a report on the county's progress. Assistant State Attorney Lanna Belohlavek presented more than 20 witnesses, including law enforcement, social workers, abuse hot line staff and dispatchers. The jurors found that though all law enforcement agencies search common arrest records, they are still separate fiefdoms when it comes to incident reports about fights, disturbances and other calls. Few officers are using or even have access to a database designed to help the county's 30 law enforcement agencies share information about family histories. The jury also found the training for road patrol officers in child-abuse issues inadequate. The Criminal Justice Academy, which trains law enforcement recruits at Palm Beach Community College, gives "minimal" information about responding to child-abuse allegations, jurors wrote. "In light of the professed commitment... by all law enforcement agencies in Palm Beach County and the fact that these recruits will eventually be the first responders to allegations of abuse and neglect, this is incomprehensible," the report stated. Police departments in Riviera Beach, Ocean Ridge, Jupiter Inlet Colony and South Palm Beach failed to train road patrol officers for two years, until after they were called to testify before the grand jury this spring, jurors found. "One untrained law enforcement officer in Palm Beach County may put a child at risk and this is unacceptable," they wrote. Riviera Beach Police Chief Clarence Williams said Wednesday that he hadn't seen the report. But his agency did send every detective and a specialist to a countywide training seminar two years ago and followed up with training for nearly all road patrol officers this spring, he said. Clay Walker, who has led the law enforcement effort for nearly three years, said he got involved because officers weren't doing enough to keep kids safe. Simply blaming DCF for Michael's death seemed unfair, he said, when police had made more than a dozen visits to the house. "I thought, 'We're crucifying DCF in this child's death. But where is the responsibility on the police department?' " In a way, the countywide accord is an extension of Walker's marriage: he's the police chief of Manalapan and his wife once supervised child-abuse investigators for the state. It has now been nearly three years since the death of a child with a history of abuse grabbed headlines in Palm Beach County, and Walker believes that is a sign the agreement is working. He hopes the community will continue its commitment, even as public attention shifts to other dangers like sex offenders and gang violence. "If we were to say this is not the hot-button issue, let's walk away.... That would be a huge mistake for all of us," he said." How, Douggieboy, could you have missed all this. And confine yourself to just mentioning a few counties....when most of Florida is on another track, and those I approve of? Tsk. And in the following you'll see, if you can read, and you are honest, that indeed police are being ASSIGNED social work as part of their investigation of child abuse. So much for your claim that society doesn't want to move more social work to police investigators. You'll also see that there is a clearly stated belief that child abuse is more than any single agency can handle. http://www.ncjrs.org/txtfiles/162425.txt You got balls, Douggieboy, but not much else. 0:- My point exactly and yet you pretend that this is not so...that CPS is doing criminal investigations that are police matters. To the contrary, it is made crystal clear in ALL of the articles that pol= ice did the investigating. CPS is not mentioned. The articles you regularly post are evidence that police are investigating child abuse, as it should be. |
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Special Notes: Sig (signature) lines should be subject to all the rules and guidelines that a post is - including links. wrote in message oups.com... Doug wrote: Kane writes: Kane: Yes, douggieboy we certainly want to move social work issues to the purview of the police...they are so good at that sort of thing with children's issues. The "we" would be inaccurate. "We" are society. Hi, Kane, ...Then society does not want to move social work issues to the purview of police. What it "wants" and what will happen, mostly out of being misinformed by curs such as you, is not the same. Child abuse is a crime. Some crime does. Some crime comes under civil law. The police may not even see it. That is the point of CPS. To keep it from becoming, as you pointed out in an earlier post, felonious. Crime comes under the purview of police. You intend doing away with all civil matters then? You exclude yourself from society? I thought so. No, it's just that you don't include all of society in your false statement that it wants social work issues handled by police. Yes, I include all society, and all society is not aware of the issue and makes not choice at all, knowingly. There is nothing false in my statement defining and clarifying what you are up to. You may want to move social work issues to police, but I don't. Yes you do. You have celebrated this very thing in some of your posts. Florida is an example. And it did NOT reduce child abuse there, as the media and the data shows. No, I don't. Of course you do. You often say things that are in fact not true, even for yourself. You are deluded, possibly delusional as well, it appears. It doesn't take genius to see that cops already DO social work....ask them about domestic violence calls, and they will have to do a good deal of the same kind of work as they do on those calls if they are going to be called on all child abuse cases that would have gone to CPS. Stop deluding yourself. I want to move child abuse investigations from social service workers to police, who are trained to investigate. Some police, not many, are trained to investigate child abuse. Different crimes require different investigative expertise in different areas. Ask a cop. And CPS workers are trained to investigate. You have lied about that in the past. You can stop now. They are so well trained they even know when to stop and turn a case over to a police detective for investigation. Child abuse is a crime. Cops investigate crime. Not all child abuse is a felony. Not all child abuse rises to the level of the perp being a felon. Florida is an example of police taking over the role of investigating child abuse. Yes, I know. And you are lying again below. Since we last discussed it, two more counties have moved to the model. That is the only truth in this statement. It has been very successful. Foster care populations have dropped tremendously because children are much less likely to be wrongfully removed from their homes. No, that is precisely NOT the reason foster care populations have dropped. Clearing of cases is the reason for that. And you know it. And in the counties involved MORE child abuse is being substantiated. You are bluffing, again. They don't. They investigate ALL abuse reported to them that meets the criteria for investigation. Then.... You are incorrect. CPS decidedly does NOT investigate all abuse reported to them. You'd even lie one sentence away from what I actually said? That takes balls. I said, "ALL abuse reported to them that meets the criteria for investigation." Liar. Law enforcement either takes the lead in many investigations over CPS or very often to the exclusion of CPS. Immediately. Where did I say otherwise? I said, and quite clearly, they each take the lead, and each is known to turn appropriate cases over to the other. If cops find a child in a situation as they make an arrest, for instance, where there is no evidence apparent to them that a felony against the child has taken place they often do turn the child and the of course a "case" over to CPS. Often CPS in investigating run across evidence...say in the disclosure of a sexual molestation, where they turn the case over to the police to investigate or work in tandem (police foremost....tandem means one behind the other). Stop lying to people, Doug. You aren't fooling anyone here but the fools. Cases that warrant criminal prosecution is turned over to LE regularly. We've discussed that repeatedly in this ng, you and I, so your claim here points out your lies. You are incorrect. No, I am not incorrect. If the evidence was not apparent until an investigation was underway by CPS, and that is often the case in those that the police are called in on, then there would be no reason for the police to be the initial investigators. Your illogic is being hysterical. Cases that warrant criminal investigation are often immediately taken over by law enforcement prior to and often to the exclusion of CPS involvement. Yes, that is correct, but in no way negates my statement. When CPS opens a case, and there is no evidence in the allegation call to suggest strong likelihood of a felony, CPS will investigate. If such evidence shows up, they will turn the case over to the police, sometimes still being part of the investigative team. Please stop this lying Doug. It's unfair to confuse the reader that might not know your history. My point exactly and yet you pretend that this is not so...that CPS is doing criminal investigations that are police matters. To the contrary, it is made crystal clear in ALL of the articles that police did the investigating. CPS is not mentioned. That was not the discussion underway, Doug. This is what you do when cornered and exposed as wrong....you immediately try a weasel dodge. How sick. The articles were simply ONE of the possibilities. We have plainly moved on to discussing more than the articles, wouldn't you say? 0:- The articles you regularly post are evidence that police are investigating child abuse, as it should be. And not evidence that CPS hasn't in fact initiated investigation in response to an allegation call. Many are just that....in fact we just went around about one...where a worker called in the police over suspicion that five small children had been left alone. I suspect that worker was there to "investigate" Doug, and you know it's true. Your capacity to twist and turn and avoid the truth, and that you are misleading and misdirecting is becoming legendary. Moving child abuse and neglect to exclusive LE investigations is going to be one of the biggest fiascos ever. Even the cops in the florida counties did NOT have the training, and said so with DOLLARS, and had to hire trained people to assist....guess who those trained investigators were? Why case workers, of course. You lost this one long ago, but like a snake with it's head cut off, you will writing and twist until sundown. 0:- |
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This last one is strictly personal - from me to you. You are posting problems and asking complete strangers to solve them with no expectation of reward other than the satisfaction of knowing we helped. Hey - that's what we're here for and we're happy to do it. Still, as is the case with pretty much everything we do in life, an occasional "please" and "thank you" won't hurt and are really nice to hear. et·i·quette [éttik?t, étti kèt] n rules of acceptable behavior: the rules and conventions governing correct or polite behavior in society in general or in a particular social or professional group or situation wrote in message oups.com... Doug wrote: Kane writes: Kane: Yes, douggieboy we certainly want to move social work issues to the purview of the police...they are so good at that sort of thing with children's issues. The "we" would be inaccurate. "We" are society. Hi, Kane, ...Then society does not want to move social work issues to the purview of police. Child abuse is a crime. Crime comes under the purview of police. You exclude yourself from society? I thought so. No, it's just that you don't include all of society in your false statement that it wants social work issues handled by police. You may want to move social work issues to police, but I don't. Yes you do. You have celebrated this very thing in some of your posts. Florida is an example. And it did NOT reduce child abuse there, as the media and the data shows. No, I don't. I want to move child abuse investigations from social service workers to police, who are trained to investigate. Child abuse is a crime. Cops investigate crime. Florida is an example of police taking over the role of investigating child abuse. Since we last discussed it, two more counties have moved to the model. It has been very successful. Foster care populations have dropped tremendously because children are much less likely to be wrongfully removed from their homes. They don't. They investigate ALL abuse reported to them that meets the criteria for investigation. Then.... You are incorrect. CPS decidedly does NOT investigate all abuse reported to them. Law enforcement either takes the lead in many investigations over CPS or very often to the exclusion of CPS. Immediately. Cases that warrant criminal prosecution is turned over to LE regularly. We've discussed that repeatedly in this ng, you and I, so your claim here points out your lies. You are incorrect. Cases that warrant criminal investigation are often immediately taken over by law enforcement prior to and often to the exclusion of CPS involvement. You are abysmally ignorant or deliberately lying and misleading people: http://www.ago.state.nm.us/divs/pros...childabuse.htm " Child Abuse Task Force- The office coordinates and hosts the NM Child Abuse Task Force. The task force consists of multidisciplinary professionals whose purpose is to facilitate consistent results in cases of serious child abuse cases throughout the State. The task force supports the multidisciplinary approach to the investigation of child abuse cases and the adoption of uniform protocols in each jurisdiction........" "We will dispatch a trained child abuse investigator when a law enforcement agency requests assistance in investigating a child death. We also have on staff several attorneys with specialized child abuse training and experience that are available to co-counsel cases with local prosecutors. Training- Our office actively participates with various groups in sponsoring and organizing training for prosecutors, investigators, law enforcement, social workers and other disciplines. Training topics include child abuse reporting, shaken-baby cases, sexual abuse investigation, and child sexual exploitation. We will provide an investigator or attorney with specialized expertise to present locally on these and other topics." [[[ The following refers to one of the many CARES or similar units all across the United States...and not all investigators are LE...in fact often there is NO LE involvement. ]]] http://www.childadvocacycenter.org/about.htm "ABOUT OUR CENTER In 1995 a small group of professionals and community volunteers met to consider a better, more sensitive way to respond to children in Southwest Missouri who were suspected victims of sexual or physical abuse. They wanted to give children a safe, easy place to talk about difficult, frightening things. The Child Advocacy Center is a place where a comprehensive coordinated approach is taken in response to allegations of child abuse. Children who may have been abused or who are witness to violent crime, are referred to our Center by the Juvenile Office, Division of Family Services or law enforcement, for a videotaped forensic interview, C.A.R.E. and/or S.A.F.E. exam......" "At the CAC, specially trained child interviewers, investigators, law enforcement and medical personnel form a team to make decisions about investigation, treatment and prosecution of child abuse cases. This approach proposes that children receive child-focused services in a child-friendly environment-one in which the child's needs come first." As for your great successes in Florida by the use of LE for investigations...they apparently don't even know when the are looking at an abuse situation: http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localne...buse_0630.html " Panel praises child-abuse investigation teams By Kathleen Chapman Palm Beach Post Staff Writer Thursday, June 30, 2005 The death of 9-year-old Michael Bernard shocked community leaders in Palm Beach County. Nobody had paid much notice to the boy with cerebral palsy before he suffocated in a dirty room, trapped in his bed after his parents left for 17 hours. More local news Latest breaking news, photos and all of today's Post stories. · State news Storm 2005: Hurricane news · Sound off in the forum · Columnists · Crime, live scanners · Photos | Special reports · Weather | Traffic | Obituaries How, they asked, could child-abuse investigators not know that his father had been arrested 37 times? How could law enforcement go to the boy's house 15 times in one year but fail to save him? They responded in 2002 with a plan for cooperation between law enforcement and social workers they say is unique in Florida and maybe the country. More than 30 law enforcement agencies in Palm Beach County pledged to share information, make child abuse a priority and investigate every child-abuse claim along with a social worker from the Department of Children and Families. Children are safer today as a result, a grand jury concluded in a report released Wednesday. But not all local police departments are living up to the spirit of the agreement, they wrote. Road patrol officers aren't all trained in child-abuse investigations and don't always make the calls a priority. And few officers use or even have access to a database that was supposed to allow agencies to share their histories of involvement with local families. "As pleased as this Grand Jury is with the dedication displayed by many members of the law enforcement and child welfare communities," members wrote, "this Grand Jury is dismayed by the lack of commitment shown by others." Since the agreement in 2002, Palm Beach County has been the only place in the state where two investigators - one from law enforcement, one from DCF - respond to every allegation of child abuse. In most other counties, DCF child-abuse investigators call law enforcement only if they suspect a crime or want extra protection, while in a few places, like Broward County, sheriff's offices conduct all investigations under contract with the state. Leaders in Palm Beach County took a different approach. The social worker helps the family and decides whether the children should be taken into foster care, while the law enforcement officer looks for evidence of a crime. "What I wanted to see was two sets of eyes looking at the home," State Attorney Barry Krischer said. Ted Simpkins, who heads DCF in Palm Beach County, said abuse investigators, many of whom are young or inexperienced, are grateful for the help. Law enforcement officers give them "the comfort of knowing you're not going alone," he said. In February, Krischer asked the grand jury for a report on the county's progress. Assistant State Attorney Lanna Belohlavek presented more than 20 witnesses, including law enforcement, social workers, abuse hot line staff and dispatchers. The jurors found that though all law enforcement agencies search common arrest records, they are still separate fiefdoms when it comes to incident reports about fights, disturbances and other calls. Few officers are using or even have access to a database designed to help the county's 30 law enforcement agencies share information about family histories. The jury also found the training for road patrol officers in child-abuse issues inadequate. The Criminal Justice Academy, which trains law enforcement recruits at Palm Beach Community College, gives "minimal" information about responding to child-abuse allegations, jurors wrote. "In light of the professed commitment... by all law enforcement agencies in Palm Beach County and the fact that these recruits will eventually be the first responders to allegations of abuse and neglect, this is incomprehensible," the report stated. Police departments in Riviera Beach, Ocean Ridge, Jupiter Inlet Colony and South Palm Beach failed to train road patrol officers for two years, until after they were called to testify before the grand jury this spring, jurors found. "One untrained law enforcement officer in Palm Beach County may put a child at risk and this is unacceptable," they wrote. Riviera Beach Police Chief Clarence Williams said Wednesday that he hadn't seen the report. But his agency did send every detective and a specialist to a countywide training seminar two years ago and followed up with training for nearly all road patrol officers this spring, he said. Clay Walker, who has led the law enforcement effort for nearly three years, said he got involved because officers weren't doing enough to keep kids safe. Simply blaming DCF for Michael's death seemed unfair, he said, when police had made more than a dozen visits to the house. "I thought, 'We're crucifying DCF in this child's death. But where is the responsibility on the police department?' " In a way, the countywide accord is an extension of Walker's marriage: he's the police chief of Manalapan and his wife once supervised child-abuse investigators for the state. It has now been nearly three years since the death of a child with a history of abuse grabbed headlines in Palm Beach County, and Walker believes that is a sign the agreement is working. He hopes the community will continue its commitment, even as public attention shifts to other dangers like sex offenders and gang violence. "If we were to say this is not the hot-button issue, let's walk away.... That would be a huge mistake for all of us," he said." How, Douggieboy, could you have missed all this. And confine yourself to just mentioning a few counties....when most of Florida is on another track, and those I approve of? Tsk. And in the following you'll see, if you can read, and you are honest, that indeed police are being ASSIGNED social work as part of their investigation of child abuse. So much for your claim that society doesn't want to move more social work to police investigators. You'll also see that there is a clearly stated belief that child abuse is more than any single agency can handle. http://www.ncjrs.org/txtfiles/162425.txt You got balls, Douggieboy, but not much else. 0:- My point exactly and yet you pretend that this is not so...that CPS is doing criminal investigations that are police matters. To the contrary, it is made crystal clear in ALL of the articles that police did the investigating. CPS is not mentioned. The articles you regularly post are evidence that police are investigating child abuse, as it should be. |
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