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Finally A Breakthrough....I think :)
Last night at 2:30 am, I was ready to throw the towel in. Too many days and
weeks of sleep deprivation were taking there toll. Our little vampire baby was resisting night sleep as usual and nothing could get him relaxed- not cuddling on mommy or daddy's chest (he normally loves this and would sleep like this all night but my husband is terrified of him falling off of us onto the floor, god forbid), not burping him, not pressing his legs gently up to his tummy to release gas, not mylecon drops, not saline and aspiration to clear his stuffy nose...he was not appeased any way. Anyhow, normally when he fusses uncontrollably after a long breastfeeding session, we offer him a bit of formula to see if he is satisfied especially since it seems as though my supply is a bit low. I was so happy to see that he ONLY wanted booby He kept shaking his head when we presented him with the formula and closing his mouth. He only wanted breast which is what I want anyway. So, I decided to try nursing in bed. I lay on my side and gave him the boob that was closest to the matress. It was a bit hard as my nipple are flat and I had to make a "nipple sandwich" as they say and push it into his tiny mouth. He latched on quickly and.......here's the amazing part.....next thing I knew it was 6:50. Four hours and 20 mins. of sleep in a row!!! First time ever in these five weeks! The crazy thing was he was still sucking! I don't think he ever came off becasue I have to give him my nipple and position it for him dues to the falt factor. Questions: 1. Which boob do I give him? The one nearest the matress whilst on my side or the one on top? I have biiiiiiiig boobs so both are feasible I suppose. Actually could someone describe in detail the nursing whilst laying down position? Pillow placement, ways to make it more comfortable for me,etc? 2. Am I supposed to be burping him? It would defeat the purpose to have to rouse him from sleep for this? 3. Does such a long sucking period harm his palette or mouth formation in any way? 4. Could he actually have been getting milk for that long a time or was it just comfort sucking? 5. Is his laying flat on his back with his head turned on its side to my breast for so long ok for him, will he strain anything? 6. What are the SIDS stats for nursing like this? He is beneath me in the sense that my head is on my pillow with my hands tucked under it on my side and my boob is hanging down so that he, at my stomach level, can latch. I tried to cradle him in my arms on my side but it seemed impossible. While this seems like progress, it's not worth it if it could be dangerous. Thanks so much for taking the time to read this, lisa |
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Finally A Breakthrough....I think :)
"Zucca4" wrote in message ... So, I decided to try nursing in bed. I lay on my side and gave him the boob that was closest to the matress. It was a bit hard as my nipple are flat and I had to make a "nipple sandwich" as they say and push it into his tiny mouth. He latched on quickly and.......here's the amazing part.....next thing I knew it was 6:50. Four hours and 20 mins. of sleep in a row!!! First time ever in these five weeks! The crazy thing was he was still sucking! I don't think he ever came off becasue I have to give him my nipple and position it for him dues to the falt factor. This is how I night-nurse also. 1. Which boob do I give him? The one nearest the matress whilst on my side or the one on top? I have biiiiiiiig boobs so both are feasible I suppose. Actually could someone describe in detail the nursing whilst laying down position? Pillow placement, ways to make it more comfortable for me,etc? I usually nurse until the 'bottom' breast is empty/flattish, and then roll onto it and offer the upper one. 2. Am I supposed to be burping him? It would defeat the purpose to have to rouse him from sleep for this? I never do? 3. Does such a long sucking period harm his palette or mouth formation in any way? Naw. The human nipple is far too soft to do any damage. It's not like a rubber pacifier. 4. Could he actually have been getting milk for that long a time or was it just comfort sucking? He may have been getting just a little bit the whole time - or at intervals with small let-downs. Or not at all. But he was happy, yes? Happy is good. 5. Is his laying flat on his back with his head turned on its side to my breast for so long ok for him, will he strain anything? I've never had a problem with my kids straining anything, but I *do* try to roll my littlie to her side when she latches on. I don't like her having her head twisted to the side either. If she rolls onto her back later, I don't know about it because I'm asleep then. 6. What are the SIDS stats for nursing like this? He is beneath me in the sense that my head is on my pillow with my hands tucked under it on my side and my boob is hanging down so that he, at my stomach level, can latch. I tried to cradle him in my arms on my side but it seemed impossible. While this seems like progress, it's not worth it if it could be dangerous. I don't think there are any stats. If you wake to his every little squeak and grunt, then you probably have nothing to worry about. I couldn't possibly roll onto my baby, because I'd wake up when she protested and wriggled. --angela |
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Finally A Breakthrough....I think :)
"Zucca4" wrote in message ... Last night at 2:30 am, I was ready to throw the towel in. Too many days and weeks of sleep deprivation were taking there toll. Our little vampire baby was resisting night sleep as usual and nothing could get him relaxed- not cuddling on mommy or daddy's chest (he normally loves this and would sleep like this all night but my husband is terrified of him falling off of us onto the floor, god forbid), not burping him, not pressing his legs gently up to his tummy to release gas, not mylecon drops, not saline and aspiration to clear his stuffy nose...he was not appeased any way. Anyhow, normally when he fusses uncontrollably after a long breastfeeding session, we offer him a bit of formula to see if he is satisfied especially since it seems as though my supply is a bit low. I was so happy to see that he ONLY wanted booby He kept shaking his head when we presented him with the formula and closing his mouth. He only wanted breast which is what I want anyway. So, I decided to try nursing in bed. I lay on my side and gave him the boob that was closest to the matress. It was a bit hard as my nipple are flat and I had to make a "nipple sandwich" as they say and push it into his tiny mouth. He latched on quickly and.......here's the amazing part.....next thing I knew it was 6:50. Four hours and 20 mins. of sleep in a row!!! First time ever in these five weeks! The crazy thing was he was still sucking! I don't think he ever came off becasue I have to give him my nipple and position it for him dues to the falt factor. SUPER! Questions: 1. Which boob do I give him? The one nearest the matress whilst on my side or the one on top? I have biiiiiiiig boobs so both are feasible I suppose. Actually could someone describe in detail the nursing whilst laying down position? Pillow placement, ways to make it more comfortable for me,etc? I use both bottom and top breasts. I prefer the bottom breast but sometimes she needs to nurse on the top one and I don't feel like reconfiguring us. I am a prepregnancy A cup, and wear C cup nursing bras. I prefer to have my bottom arm above my head against the mattress, then a pillow on my arm, then my head on the pillow. But I'm sure nothing that fancy happens at 3am, and I just go back to sleep. 2. Am I supposed to be burping him? It would defeat the purpose to have to rouse him from sleep for this? I certainly rarely burp Meg at all, and never at night. If she needs motion to dislodge some air, I assume she'll wake me. She really does not hesitate to wake me for any reason 3. Does such a long sucking period harm his palette or mouth formation in any way? Not that I'm aware of. People leave pacifiers in their kids' mouths all day long (a hard piece of plastic). Not that that is acceptable ... 4. Could he actually have been getting milk for that long a time or was it just comfort sucking? Um, could be getting milk all that time but most likely just a trickle. After all he was not taking more than his stomach could handle. 5. Is his laying flat on his back with his head turned on its side to my breast for so long ok for him, will he strain anything? Meg nurses like this all the time. 6. What are the SIDS stats for nursing like this? He is beneath me in the sense that my head is on my pillow with my hands tucked under it on my side and my boob is hanging down so that he, at my stomach level, can latch. I tried to cradle him in my arms on my side but it seemed impossible. While this seems like progress, it's not worth it if it could be dangerous. I think most moms who co-sleep are going to say that they nurse in bed, sometimes or usually falling asleep while nursing, and co-sleeping SIDS rates are completely acceptable to me. I mean, acceptable compared to general SIDS risk, not compared to an ideal world. -- Dagny Meg's mom 10/03 |
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Finally A Breakthrough....I think :)
"Zucca4" wrote in message ... Last night at 2:30 am, I was ready to throw the towel in. Too many days and weeks of sleep deprivation were taking there toll. Our little vampire baby was resisting night sleep as usual and nothing could get him relaxed- not cuddling on mommy or daddy's chest (he normally loves this and would sleep like this all night but my husband is terrified of him falling off of us onto the floor, god forbid), not burping him, not pressing his legs gently up to his tummy to release gas, not mylecon drops, not saline and aspiration to clear his stuffy nose...he was not appeased any way. Anyhow, normally when he fusses uncontrollably after a long breastfeeding session, we offer him a bit of formula to see if he is satisfied especially since it seems as though my supply is a bit low. I was so happy to see that he ONLY wanted booby He kept shaking his head when we presented him with the formula and closing his mouth. He only wanted breast which is what I want anyway. So, I decided to try nursing in bed. I lay on my side and gave him the boob that was closest to the matress. It was a bit hard as my nipple are flat and I had to make a "nipple sandwich" as they say and push it into his tiny mouth. He latched on quickly and.......here's the amazing part.....next thing I knew it was 6:50. Four hours and 20 mins. of sleep in a row!!! First time ever in these five weeks! The crazy thing was he was still sucking! I don't think he ever came off becasue I have to give him my nipple and position it for him dues to the falt factor. Questions: 1. Which boob do I give him? The one nearest the matress whilst on my side or the one on top? I have biiiiiiiig boobs so both are feasible I suppose. Actually could someone describe in detail the nursing whilst laying down position? Pillow placement, ways to make it more comfortable for me,etc? I do both. I also sleep with baby on my chest ,or my side and my arm supported by a pillow. |
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Finally A Breakthrough....I think :)
Zucca4 wrote:
Four hours and 20 mins. of sleep in a row!!! Congrats! I bet that felt wonderful! Questions: 1. Which boob do I give him? The one nearest the matress whilst on my side or the one on top? I have biiiiiiiig boobs so both are feasible I suppose. Actually could someone describe in detail the nursing whilst laying down position? Pillow placement, ways to make it more comfortable for me,etc? I lay on my side with him on his side facing me (tummy to tummy) with his head propped on the crook of my arm and my arm around his back. I don't have big boobs so it's not possible for me to give the top one, he's gets the one closest to his head. =) 2. Am I supposed to be burping him? It would defeat the purpose to have to rouse him from sleep for this? I don't burp him after he falls asleep, which is why this didn't work for us for a long time. He was very gassy/spit-uppy and would spit-up all over both of us. He's grown out of that now and doesn't usually need to be burped. If your baby seems comfortable without being burped then he should be fine. When he was littler and would fall asleep before I could burp him, I'd just remember that I needed to burp him as soon as he woke up for good. He'd usually have a nice big burp in the works by that time! 3. Does such a long sucking period harm his palette or mouth formation in any way? I doubt it. Breastfeeding is supposed to help form the palette and jaw, so I think it would strengthen it if anything. I guess if he was a really agressively sucking that whole time, he could make his jaw muscles sore (like when you chew gum too long). I doubt he was actively sucking the whole time though. I'd think *you* would be really sore after 4 hours of that! 4. Could he actually have been getting milk for that long a time or was it just comfort sucking? They say they're never empty... 5. Is his laying flat on his back with his head turned on its side to my breast for so long ok for him, will he strain anything? If he falls asleep while I'm nursing him, I gently break the suction (since he would NEVER do it himself) and then gently tip him over onto his back (I have him on his side when he's eating). He usually doesn't even notice. I'm not comfortable staying in that position for more than an hour or so and I figure that he isn't either. 6. What are the SIDS stats for nursing like this? He is beneath me in the sense that my head is on my pillow with my hands tucked under it on my side and my boob is hanging down so that he, at my stomach level, can latch. I tried to cradle him in my arms on my side but it seemed impossible. While this seems like progress, it's not worth it if it could be dangerous. Don't know the answer to that one. Good luck! Thanks so much for taking the time to read this, lisa |
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Finally A Breakthrough....I think :)
1. Which boob do I give him? The one nearest the matress whilst on my side or the one on top? I have biiiiiiiig boobs so both are feasible I suppose. Use whichever one is more comfortable to you. I'm not that well endowed, so I always used the lower, but plenty of moms find it's easier to nurse from the top one than to roll over and get baby switched to the other side. Actually could someone describe in detail the nursing whilst laying down position? Pillow placement, ways to make it more comfortable for me,etc? I generally had my lower arm tucked underneath my pillow, with the upper arm curled around baby's back. A pillow or bolster behind *your* back may make it more comfortable for you (arching your back will make you sore very quickly). 2. Am I supposed to be burping him? It would defeat the purpose to have to rouse him from sleep for this? Only burp him if he is uncomfortable. If he's sucking away in his sleep, there's no need. 3. Does such a long sucking period harm his palette or mouth formation in any way? Nope. 4. Could he actually have been getting milk for that long a time or was it just comfort sucking? Both. Even when "just comfort sucking" a baby is getting a little milk. More importantly, he's signalling your body to make more milk, which is all to the good if you think your supply is low. Which, by the way, I very, very much doubt is the case. You have a newborn. Newborns usually nurse near-constantly. They normally have a hard time sleeping alone. They are often fussy. None of these things mean there is anything at all wrong with your milk. All of these things will get better with a little time. When your baby wants to nurse for a long, long time, let him. (Or, when you just can't stand it any more, try a pacifier. Or a walk outside.) Don't give him formula. He may just need comfort (assuming you've checked that he isn't wet, cold, itchy, etc.), or he may be having a "growth spurt" during which he needs to nurse a lot in order to increase your milk supply. Giving formula is the WORST possible thing you could do because, aside from all the negative effects of formula on your baby's health, it's that much less milk that your body thinks it needs to make, which *will* ultimately lead to low milk supply. My intent is not to make you feel bad for water under the bridge, but I really encourage you to throw out the formula so you can't be tempted to use any more of it. Trust your body. 5. Is his laying flat on his back with his head turned on its side to my breast for so long ok for him, will he strain anything? If he's not protesting any discomfort, he's fine. But it's also perfectly okay to position him on his side, facing you; that's how most co-sleeping babies sleep. 6. What are the SIDS stats for nursing like this? He is beneath me in the sense that my head is on my pillow with my hands tucked under it on my side and my boob is hanging down so that he, at my stomach level, can latch. I tried to cradle him in my arms on my side but it seemed impossible. While this seems like progress, it's not worth it if it could be dangerous. What statistics there are, are rather suspect. In the vast majority of cases, infant deaths attributed to co-sleeping are a result of suffocation (which is not really the same thing as SIDS) or injuries incurred because the mother was on drugs, extremely obese, or sleeping in an unsafe place like a narrow, soft couch, or all of the above. It's possibly a bit more dangerous for anyone other than the mother (including the father) to sleep with a newborn, because only the mother is so physically attuned to the baby that she will immediately wake up at the slightest sign of distress. It's probably a good idea to try to unlatch him once he's soundly asleep (be prepared to let him back on if he protests, but probably you'll soon learn to judge when he's out enough not to notice), but the chances that you'll smother him in your sleep are very remote. Holly Mom to Camden, almost 3 EDD #2 6/8/04 |
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Finally A Breakthrough....I think :)
"Zucca4" wrote in message ...
Last night at 2:30 am, I was ready to throw the towel in. Too many days and weeks of sleep deprivation were taking there toll. Our little vampire baby was resisting night sleep as usual and nothing could get him relaxed- not cuddling on mommy or daddy's chest (he normally loves this and would sleep like this all night but my husband is terrified of him falling off of us onto the floor, god forbid), not burping him, not pressing his legs gently up to his tummy to release gas, not mylecon drops, not saline and aspiration to clear his stuffy nose...he was not appeased any way. Anyhow, normally when he fusses uncontrollably after a long breastfeeding session, we offer him a bit of formula to see if he is satisfied especially since it seems as though my supply is a bit low. I was so happy to see that he ONLY wanted booby He kept shaking his head when we presented him with the formula and closing his mouth. He only wanted breast which is what I want anyway. So, I decided to try nursing in bed. I lay on my side and gave him the boob that was closest to the matress. It was a bit hard as my nipple are flat and I had to make a "nipple sandwich" as they say and push it into his tiny mouth. He latched on quickly and.......here's the amazing part.....next thing I knew it was 6:50. Four hours and 20 mins. of sleep in a row!!! First time ever in these five weeks! The crazy thing was he was still sucking! I don't think he ever came off becasue I have to give him my nipple and position it for him dues to the falt factor. If we didn't co-sleep, I don't think I would ever sleep! When Kam is in his crib I just can't stop worrying about him. I feel that co-sleeping is a natural thing to do. Questions: 1. Which boob do I give him? The one nearest the matress whilst on my side or the one on top? I have biiiiiiiig boobs so both are feasible I suppose. Actually could someone describe in detail the nursing whilst laying down position? Pillow placement, ways to make it more comfortable for me,etc? I just lie on my pillow as I would normally, my arm around him, with baby at boob level, my legs drawn up - we kinda share the fetal position together! Just like a jigsaw. 2. Am I supposed to be burping him? It would defeat the purpose to have to rouse him from sleep for this? I don't now, but when mine were tiny I knew they needed burping when they were groaning! 3. Does such a long sucking period harm his palette or mouth formation in any way? Nah. 4. Could he actually have been getting milk for that long a time or was it just comfort sucking? Comfort. Or else it would feel like a hoover was attached all night! I have a routine - whenever I wake I switch Kamron over to the other breast. 5. Is his laying flat on his back with his head turned on its side to my breast for so long ok for him, will he strain anything? I hope not. Kamron and I start out facing each other, but when I wake we are both flat on our back, but my arm is still under him. 6. What are the SIDS stats for nursing like this? He is beneath me in the sense that my head is on my pillow with my hands tucked under it on my side and my boob is hanging down so that he, at my stomach level, can latch. I tried to cradle him in my arms on my side but it seemed impossible. While this seems like progress, it's not worth it if it could be dangerous. No stats here either. But I have fed 5 babies so far this way. I have heard that when a mom and baby co-sleep that their breathing patterns syncronize. I always wake if somethings wrong, I have even woke because his breathing pattern changed. It's amazing. Do you feel comfortable? If so carry on, it's great for both of you. I really enjoy co-sleeping now. Kam has some crib time, but is always snuffly, so I like him in with me. Thanks so much for taking the time to read this, lisa ) -- Andrea mom of 5 - latest addition Kamron David 6 months still nursing strong with 4 teeth! |
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Finally A Breakthrough....I think :)
Zucca4 writes:
: Questions: : 1. Which boob do I give him? The one nearest the matress whilst on my side or : the one on top? I have biiiiiiiig boobs so both are feasible I suppose. : Actually could someone describe in detail the nursing whilst laying down : position? Pillow placement, ways to make it more comfortable for me,etc? Monika could not manage the top breast until the baby was 7 or 8 weeks. : 2. Am I supposed to be burping him? It would defeat the purpose to have to : rouse him from sleep for this? I think it is ok to burp him while your are awake when you switch breasts. I would NOT recommend waking up to burp him. :-) : 3. Does such a long sucking period harm his palette or mouth formation in any : way? No. : 4. Could he actually have been getting milk for that long a time or was it just : comfort sucking? You can produce a fair amount of milk in 4 hours, although it won't come down continously at the same rate. I would guess that there were a number of periods of both comfort sucking and getting milk. BTW, this kind of nursing is the best thing you can do to improve your supply. You should throw the formula away and use this method when in doubt! :-) : 5. Is his laying flat on his back with his head turned on its side to my breast : for so long ok for him, will he strain anything? Hmm. We always found it easier for both mom and baby to lie on thier sides facing each other. Whatever works for you. : 6. What are the SIDS stats for nursing like this? He is beneath me in the sense : that my head is on my pillow with my hands tucked under it on my side and my : boob is hanging down so that he, at my stomach level, can latch. I tried to : cradle him in my arms on my side but it seemed impossible. While this seems : like progress, it's not worth it if it could be dangerous. In the first place, some SIDS studies have shown that co-sleeping reduces the incidence. I'm not sure where the pillow is relative to him, but you might want to lose it if you can sleep without it. Finally, you don't want a blanket up over his body that he can bury his face in. He should probably be in a one piece sleeper. If you do all that he is probably safer than in a crib. : Thanks so much for taking the time to read this, : lisa Hope this helps, Larry |
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