Innocent question for bobandcarole

On Sep 4, 9:43 pm, Dexter Sinatra wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:31:16 -0700, "R. Steve Walz"



wrote:
Dexter Sinatra wrote:

When dealing with children, "consensual" is not
the legitimizing criterion it is for adults.
Indeed, almost invariably, sexual predators defend
their "loving" physical relationships with children
as being "consensual," when in reality the seduction
and manipulation of children -- resulting in their
"consent" -- is both an art form and the stock in trade
of pedophiles.

Dr Judith Reisman
-------------------------
Quoting that crank liar again, eh?
She's been discredited for her lying slander about Kinsey.

Amongst pedophiles,incestuous sexual deviants and the like, she may
well have been.

Meanwhile,back in the real world;

"Dr. Reisman received her Ph.D. in communications from Case Western
Reserve University and has lectured and testified the world over to
professional organizations, legislatures, parliaments, and courts
regarding the power and effect of images and the media to alter human
behavior. She has served as a consultant to the U.S. Departments of
Justice, Education, and Health and Human Services."

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...ith_A._Reisman

Judith A. Reisman

Dr. Judith A. Reisman describes herself as a researcher, lecturer,
expert witness and educator "regarding fraudulent sex scientists, sex
education and the power and effect of images and the monopoly media to
alter human behavior. The special emphasis of her work has been and
continues to be the negative influence of these change agents upon
children and society."

Her work has been endorsed by conservative commentators including "Dr.
Laura" Schlessinger. On Reisman's website, Schlessinger is cited
stating "Dr. Reisman has produced a scholarly and devastating study
revealing the ugly and frighteningly dangerous pseudo-scientific
assault on our children's innocence." [4]

She has also drawn support Charles E. Rice, Professor at Notre Dame
Law School for her work critiquing Kinsey's survey work on sexuality.
"Dr. Reisman's study supports the conclusion that Alfred Kinsey's
research was contrived, ideologically driven and misleading. Any
judge, legislator or other public official who gives credence to that
research is guilty of malpractice and dereliction of duty," Rice
stated.

A major focus of her work has been discrediting Kinsey, who she saw as
single-handedly inventing the sexual revolution.

Reisman was described October 5, 2000, by David M. Bresnahn in
WorldNetDaily as "formerly a research professor at American
University, veteran pornography researcher and expert witness before
the attorney general's commission on pornography ..." "Contrary to the
popular view that there is little crossover between homosexuality and
pedophilia, she says homosexuals are anxious to recruit young boys --
a practice that is becoming easier thanks to sex education and
'diversity programs' in schools that teach children to consider
homosexuality as both acceptable and normal."

According to an interview posted online May 26, 2005, by Wes Penre, a
"talented musician and songwriter," Reisman "has produced educational
music histories for museums in Los Angeles, Milwaukee, and Cleveland,
and during the 1970s she produced music videos for Captain Kangaroo,
the long-running children's television program.

"Dr. Reisman received her Ph.D. in communications from Case Western
Reserve University and has lectured and testified the world over to
professional organizations, legislatures, parliaments, and courts
regarding the power and effect of images and the media to alter human
behavior. She has served as a consultant to the U.S. Departments of
Justice, Education, and Health and Human Services."

shes a researcher? wheres her research? criticizing someone elses
research is not doing your own research. lectures and testimony is
not research. being a consultant is not research. what has she done
to prove what she says?

Dexter Sinatra wrote in
news
I guess this might be one of the most influential of her studies.

The psychopharmacology of pictorial pornography

I guess I still don't understand how a PhD in communications makes one an
expert on human brain function.

Dexter Sinatra wrote:

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:08:54 -0700, nudist_emy
wrote:

On Sep 4, 9:43 pm, Dexter Sinatra wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:31:16 -0700, "R. Steve Walz"



wrote:
Dexter Sinatra wrote:

When dealing with children, "consensual" is not
the legitimizing criterion it is for adults.
Indeed, almost invariably, sexual predators defend
their "loving" physical relationships with children
as being "consensual," when in reality the seduction
and manipulation of children -- resulting in their
"consent" -- is both an art form and the stock in trade
of pedophiles.

Dr Judith Reisman
-------------------------
Quoting that crank liar again, eh?
She's been discredited for her lying slander about Kinsey.

Amongst pedophiles,incestuous sexual deviants and the like, she may
well have been.

Meanwhile,back in the real world;

"Dr. Reisman received her Ph.D. in communications from Case Western
Reserve University and has lectured and testified the world over to
professional organizations, legislatures, parliaments, and courts
regarding the power and effect of images and the media to alter human
behavior. She has served as a consultant to the U.S. Departments of
Justice, Education, and Health and Human Services."

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...ith_A._Reisman

Judith A. Reisman

Dr. Judith A. Reisman describes herself as a researcher, lecturer,
expert witness and educator "regarding fraudulent sex scientists, sex
education and the power and effect of images and the monopoly media to
alter human behavior. The special emphasis of her work has been and
continues to be the negative influence of these change agents upon
children and society."

Her work has been endorsed by conservative commentators including "Dr.
Laura" Schlessinger. On Reisman's website, Schlessinger is cited
stating "Dr. Reisman has produced a scholarly and devastating study
revealing the ugly and frighteningly dangerous pseudo-scientific
assault on our children's innocence." [4]

She has also drawn support Charles E. Rice, Professor at Notre Dame
Law School for her work critiquing Kinsey's survey work on sexuality.
"Dr. Reisman's study supports the conclusion that Alfred Kinsey's
research was contrived, ideologically driven and misleading. Any
judge, legislator or other public official who gives credence to that
research is guilty of malpractice and dereliction of duty," Rice
stated.

A major focus of her work has been discrediting Kinsey, who she saw as
single-handedly inventing the sexual revolution.

Reisman was described October 5, 2000, by David M. Bresnahn in
WorldNetDaily as "formerly a research professor at American
University, veteran pornography researcher and expert witness before
the attorney general's commission on pornography ..." "Contrary to the
popular view that there is little crossover between homosexuality and
pedophilia, she says homosexuals are anxious to recruit young boys --
a practice that is becoming easier thanks to sex education and
'diversity programs' in schools that teach children to consider
homosexuality as both acceptable and normal."

According to an interview posted online May 26, 2005, by Wes Penre, a
"talented musician and songwriter," Reisman "has produced educational
music histories for museums in Los Angeles, Milwaukee, and Cleveland,
and during the 1970s she produced music videos for Captain Kangaroo,
the long-running children's television program.

"Dr. Reisman received her Ph.D. in communications from Case Western
Reserve University and has lectured and testified the world over to
professional organizations, legislatures, parliaments, and courts
regarding the power and effect of images and the media to alter human
behavior. She has served as a consultant to the U.S. Departments of
Justice, Education, and Health and Human Services."

shes a researcher? wheres her research? criticizing someone elses
research is not doing your own research. lectures and testimony is
not research. being a consultant is not research. what has she done
to prove what she says?

I guess this might be one of the most influential of her studies.

The psychopharmacology of pictorial pornography

http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/brain.pdf
-------------------------------------
Sex on the brain

Mark Pilkington
The Guardian
Thursday July 14 2005

It is all around us, seeping into our brains, via magazines, newspapers
and television. Once there, it gets to work, "reflexively and
mechanically restructuring the brain "; terrifyingly, "involuntary
cellular change takes place even during sleep, resisting informed
consent ".

According to Dr Judith Reisman, pornography affects the physical
structure of your brain turning you into a porno-zombie. Porn, she says,
is an "erototoxin ", producing an addictive "drug cocktail " of
testosterone, oxytocin, dopamine and serotonin with a measurable organic
effect on the brain.

Some of us might consider this a good thing. Not Reisman: erototoxins
aren't about pleasure, they're a "fear-sex-shame-and-anger
stimulant". Reisman's paper on the subject The Psychopharmacology of
Pictorial Pornography Restructuring Brain, Mind & Memory &
Subverting Freedom of Speech has helped make her the darling of the
anti-pornography crusade, and in November last year she
presented her erototoxin theory to the US senate.

Under the auspices of Utah's Lighted Candle Society (LCS), Reisman and
Victor Cline, a clinical psychologist at the University of Utah,
began raising money from American conservative and religious
organisations. They hope to raise at least $3m to conduct MRI scans on
victims under the influence of porn and so prove their theories correct.
They foresee two possible outcomes: if they can demonstrate that
porn physically "damages " the brain, that might open the floodgates for
"big tobacco"-style lawsuits against porn publishers and
distributors; second, and more insidiously, if porn can be shown to
"subvert cognition " and affect the parts of the brain involved in
reasoning and speech, then "these toxic media should be legally
outlawed, as is all other toxic waste, and eliminated from our societal
structure ".

What's more, people whose brains have been rotted by pornography are no
longer expressing "free speech " and, for their own good,
shouldn't be protected under the First Amendment.

But there's a catch. Much of Reisman's research in developing her theory
has necessitated examining hundreds, perhaps thousands, of
pornographic magazines and films. By her own reasoning her brain ought,
by now, to be a seething mass of toxic smutmulch ...

--
(One of these days we're gonna have to NUKE Utah!
Steve)


When asked in a jail cell interview with a local TV reporter why he
killed the little girl, Gregerson said he was "addicted to pornography
at one point. It was ruining my life and affecting my relationship
with my wife. I can tell you this: I have now become a strong advocate
against pornography. I do apologize to the public, and everyone else
who's been involved in what happened."
-------------------
Anybody who actually thinks that he is being controlled by pornography
*IS* ****ing crazy to START with!


But if evidence is needed, there is serious research that proves this
to be the case.
----------------
That, above, isn't evidence, or have you gone stupid?
One asshole who killed a kid is NOT to be believed when interviewed,
or how come YOU don't GET that!


For instance, the Rand Corp. in Pittsburgh has just
published in the current issue of Pediatrics the results of a survey
indicating that teens who listen to music full of raunchy, sexual
lyrics start having sex sooner than those who prefer other songs.
--------------------
Thank GOD, we've found a way to return young humans to NORMAL!
Let's make lots more of that stuff RIGHT AWAY!!


Nobody suggests that everybody addicted to pornography becomes a
violent person or sexual predator.
------------------
Sure you are, and that's what makes it obvious that you're ****ing
stupid!


But as Corydon Hammond, codirector
of the Sex and Marital Therapy Clinic at the University of Utah, says:
"I don't think I've ever yet seen an adult sex offender who was not
involved with pornography."
-----------------------------
Nor any murderer who has not also chewed chewing gum!!! (How can anyone
in any position of scientific respect make such a stupid statment!!??)
MOST of us like PORN, there are BOUND to be some of ANYTHING among us!!


Judith Reisman, author of "The Psychopharmacology of Pictorial
Pornography," sees a direct causal link between pornography and sex
crimes.
------------------------------------
And that's because she has a degree in "Communications", the EASY major,
and because she wrote Captain Kangaroo and sang on his show for 20
years, and because the "Kangaroo" money ran out.


"In many cases I don't think we have any problem saying pornography
caused [the sex offense]. We have tons of data," she writes.
-----------------------------------
None of it interpeeted by reputable science to be a cause of anything.
You see, Reisman has an axe to grind, she can't cum.


Congress has attempted legislation seeking to control pornography but
found it vetoed by courts claiming the legislation hobbled free
speech.
----------------------
And THAT'S because the Congress is made of bought and sold public
assholes and the courts guard our freedoms!


Human sexuality researcher Reisman gets it right when she says: "It's
not that pornography acts like a drug. It is a drug."
------------------------
But what she doesn't like you thinking is that it is a very GOOD drug
for us!!
Steve

"R. Steve Walz" wrote in news:46DE231E.3A52
@armory.com:

But there's a catch. Much of Reisman's research in developing her theory
has necessitated examining hundreds, perhaps thousands, of
pornographic magazines and films. By her own reasoning her brain ought,
by now, to be a seething mass of toxic smutmulch ...

Oh, no. That's not true. I understand that feminists possess a special
immunity to this.

If only that could be bottled or turned into a pill, then anyone could view
porn without suffering such damage. But, alas, that's simply just not
possible. The rumor I heard was that research into this pill ended up
producing Viagra instead!

But I could be wrong about that.

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:08:54 -0700, nudist_emy
wrote:

"Dr. Reisman received her Ph.D. in communications from Case Western
Reserve University and has lectured and testified the world over to
professional organizations, legislatures, parliaments, and courts
regarding the power and effect of images and the media to alter human
behavior. She has served as a consultant to the U.S. Departments of
Justice, Education, and Health and Human Services."

shes a researcher? wheres her research? criticizing someone elses
research is not doing your own research. lectures and testimony is
not research. being a consultant is not research. what has she done
to prove what she says?

Gee, Dex, seems that question just keeps getting bigger and bigger???
Why don't you answer it?

-T.

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:51:52 -0700, Dexter Sinatra
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:17:18 -0700, wrote:

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:08:54 -0700, nudist_emy
wrote:

"Dr. Reisman received her Ph.D. in communications from Case Western
Reserve University and has lectured and testified the world over to
professional organizations, legislatures, parliaments, and courts
regarding the power and effect of images and the media to alter human
behavior. She has served as a consultant to the U.S. Departments of
Justice, Education, and Health and Human Services."

shes a researcher? wheres her research? criticizing someone elses
research is not doing your own research. lectures and testimony is
not research. being a consultant is not research. what has she done
to prove what she says?

Gee, Dex, seems that question just keeps getting bigger and bigger???
Why don't you answer it?

OK

To answer your pet pervert I will just say you both should learn the
difference between primary and secondary research.

Not an answer Dex.

"The nudist colonies are the places where pedophiles have
forever not only been able to get sexual access to children
and to abuse children, but quite definitely, to take
photographs that become part of the pedophile's bona fides
and that are exchanged and that are paid for throughout this
country and sent to Europe and so forth."

Specifically, where is the "research" to support the bit of bull****
above? Or are you one of those fellas who just wants to repeat the lie
over and over, until someone thinks it true? What kind of man is it
who posts something like that without ever knowing whether it was, in
fact, true?

-T.

On Sep 4, 10:29 pm, Dexter Sinatra wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:08:54 -0700, nudist_emy
wrote:



On Sep 4, 9:43 pm, Dexter Sinatra wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:31:16 -0700, "R. Steve Walz"

wrote:
Dexter Sinatra wrote:

When dealing with children, "consensual" is not
the legitimizing criterion it is for adults.
Indeed, almost invariably, sexual predators defend
their "loving" physical relationships with children
as being "consensual," when in reality the seduction
and manipulation of children -- resulting in their
"consent" -- is both an art form and the stock in trade
of pedophiles.

Dr Judith Reisman
-------------------------
Quoting that crank liar again, eh?
She's been discredited for her lying slander about Kinsey.

Amongst pedophiles,incestuous sexual deviants and the like, she may
well have been.

Meanwhile,back in the real world;

"Dr. Reisman received her Ph.D. in communications from Case Western
Reserve University and has lectured and testified the world over to
professional organizations, legislatures, parliaments, and courts
regarding the power and effect of images and the media to alter human
behavior. She has served as a consultant to the U.S. Departments of
Justice, Education, and Health and Human Services."

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...ith_A._Reisman

Judith A. Reisman

Dr. Judith A. Reisman describes herself as a researcher, lecturer,
expert witness and educator "regarding fraudulent sex scientists, sex
education and the power and effect of images and the monopoly media to
alter human behavior. The special emphasis of her work has been and
continues to be the negative influence of these change agents upon
children and society."

Her work has been endorsed by conservative commentators including "Dr.
Laura" Schlessinger. On Reisman's website, Schlessinger is cited
stating "Dr. Reisman has produced a scholarly and devastating study
revealing the ugly and frighteningly dangerous pseudo-scientific
assault on our children's innocence." [4]

She has also drawn support Charles E. Rice, Professor at Notre Dame
Law School for her work critiquing Kinsey's survey work on sexuality.
"Dr. Reisman's study supports the conclusion that Alfred Kinsey's
research was contrived, ideologically driven and misleading. Any
judge, legislator or other public official who gives credence to that
research is guilty of malpractice and dereliction of duty," Rice
stated.

A major focus of her work has been discrediting Kinsey, who she saw as
single-handedly inventing the sexual revolution.

Reisman was described October 5, 2000, by David M. Bresnahn in
WorldNetDaily as "formerly a research professor at American
University, veteran pornography researcher and expert witness before
the attorney general's commission on pornography ..." "Contrary to the
popular view that there is little crossover between homosexuality and
pedophilia, she says homosexuals are anxious to recruit young boys --
a practice that is becoming easier thanks to sex education and
'diversity programs' in schools that teach children to consider
homosexuality as both acceptable and normal."

According to an interview posted online May 26, 2005, by Wes Penre, a
"talented musician and songwriter," Reisman "has produced educational
music histories for museums in Los Angeles, Milwaukee, and Cleveland,
and during the 1970s she produced music videos for Captain Kangaroo,
the long-running children's television program.

"Dr. Reisman received her Ph.D. in communications from Case Western
Reserve University and has lectured and testified the world over to
professional organizations, legislatures, parliaments, and courts
regarding the power and effect of images and the media to alter human
behavior. She has served as a consultant to the U.S. Departments of
Justice, Education, and Health and Human Services."

shes a researcher? wheres her research? criticizing someone elses
research is not doing your own research. lectures and testimony is
not research. being a consultant is not research. what has she done
to prove what she says?

I guess this might be one of the most influential of her studies.

The psychopharmacology of pictorial pornography

http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/brain.pdf

And here is an example of what she talks about.

Pornography: the social ill behind some dangerous crimes
By John Hughes

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0816/p09s02-cojh.html

SALT LAKE CITY - From his jail cell a few days ago, 20-year-old Craig
Roger Gregerson explained the reason he has been arrested and charged
with capital murder, punishable by death, and first-degree child
kidnapping.

In a case that created national media attention, he is accused of
killing 5-year-old Destiny Norton, who went missing from her home in
Salt Lake City July 16. Hundreds turned out to search for her. Eight
days later police found her body stuffed in a container in the
basement of Mr. Gregerson's house just two doors away from her home.
Police charge that he lured her to his own property, suffocated her,
then abused her dead body.

When asked in a jail cell interview with a local TV reporter why he
killed the little girl, Gregerson said he was "addicted to pornography
at one point. It was ruining my life and affecting my relationship
with my wife. I can tell you this: I have now become a strong advocate
against pornography. I do apologize to the public, and everyone else
who's been involved in what happened."

Those who profit from the production and sale of pornographic and
violent material in magazines and books, on videos and television,
argue that there is no evidence to prove that what they create can
foster violence, child molestation, and sex crimes in those exposed to
it.

The ugly case of Craig Roger Gregerson, and what happened to
5-year-old Destiny Norton, is at least one convincing piece of
evidence that it can and does.

It should not require a doctorate in psychology to understand that
what we see and hear can influence our behavior.

But if evidence is needed, there is serious research that proves this
to be the case. For instance, the Rand Corp. in Pittsburgh has just
published in the current issue of Pediatrics the results of a survey
indicating that teens who listen to music full of raunchy, sexual
lyrics start having sex sooner than those who prefer other songs.

The Associated Press quotes the lead researcher on this project,
Steven Martino, as saying that exposure to lots of sexually degrading
music "gives them a specific message about sex." Boys learn they
should be relentless in pursuit of girls, and girls learn to view
themselves as sex objects. "We think that really lowers kids'
inhibitions," he says.

Benjamin Chavis, who heads a network coalition of hip-hop musicians
and recording industry executives, responded to the survey by
asserting that explicit music lyrics are a cultural expression that
reflect "social and economic realities."

This is a familiar echo of the plaint by some Hollywood movie and TV
producers who argue that when they splatter their movies and TV
productions with violence, profanity, and lurid sexuality, they are
merely reflecting society as it is. To be asked to clean up their acts
is an infringement upon their artistic freedom.

Nobody suggests that everybody addicted to pornography becomes a
violent person or sexual predator. But as Corydon Hammond, codirector
of the Sex and Marital Therapy Clinic at the University of Utah, says:
"I don't think I've ever yet seen an adult sex offender who was not
involved with pornography."

Judith Reisman, author of "The Psychopharmacology of Pictorial
Pornography," sees a direct causal link between pornography and sex
crimes.

"In many cases I don't think we have any problem saying pornography
caused [the sex offense]. We have tons of data," she writes.

Congress has attempted legislation seeking to control pornography but
found it vetoed by courts claiming the legislation hobbled free
speech. The courts, on copyright grounds, have outlawed the sale of
videos in which distributors have edited out profanity or questionable
scenes.

A new legislative attempt may require cable TV channels, where most
questionable material appears, to carry a label warning of the
offensiveness, but without deleting it, thus circumventing the free
speech issue.

The Kaiser Foundation has undertaken extensive research on the amount
of sex-oriented and violent programming on TV, and its impact on young
viewers.

The watchdog Parents Television Council has campaigned vigorously
against sex, violence, and profanity on television and in other media.
It has lobbied against the cable industry's mandatory inclusion of
questionable channels in omnibus packages offered to subscribers,
arguing that subscribers should have the right to pick and choose
individual channels.

Human sexuality researcher Reisman gets it right when she says: "It's
not that pornography acts like a drug. It is a drug."

once again all i see are criminals being studied. so she concludes
criminals look at porn so then porn caused their criminal activities.
well, all those criminals ate food, so i can conclude that food causes
crime. all those criminals wore clothes in front of their parents, so
clothing causes crime. show me a study that looked at non-criminals
and their viewing of nude people and the affects on them.

Dexter Sinatra wrote:

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:17:18 -0700, wrote:

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:08:54 -0700, nudist_emy
wrote:

"Dr. Reisman received her Ph.D. in communications from Case Western
Reserve University and has lectured and testified the world over to
professional organizations, legislatures, parliaments, and courts
regarding the power and effect of images and the media to alter human
behavior. She has served as a consultant to the U.S. Departments of
Justice, Education, and Health and Human Services."

shes a researcher? wheres her research? criticizing someone elses
research is not doing your own research. lectures and testimony is
not research. being a consultant is not research. what has she done
to prove what she says?

Gee, Dex, seems that question just keeps getting bigger and bigger???
Why don't you answer it?

OK

To answer your pet pervert I will just say you both should learn the
difference between primary and secondary research.
--------------------------------
Invented terminology, the sure sign of a liar.


crneyf va sebag bs fjvar V xabj.
----------------------------
Rot13 for: pearls in front of swine I know.

You're the swine, Dex.
Steve

wrote in news:c6ctd3tort7jj1ar7gvgla6i8esggjss9s@
4ax.com:


Specifically, where is the "research" to support the bit of bull****
above? Or are you one of those fellas who just wants to repeat the lie
over and over, until someone thinks it true? What kind of man is it
who posts something like that without ever knowing whether it was, in
fact, true?

And how can you do this without a web page?

Terry J. Wood wrote:

wrote in news:c6ctd3tort7jj1ar7gvgla6i8esggjss9s@
4ax.com:


Specifically, where is the "research" to support the bit of bull****
above? Or are you one of those fellas who just wants to repeat the lie
over and over, until someone thinks it true? What kind of man is it
who posts something like that without ever knowing whether it was, in
fact, true?

And how can you do this without a web page?
--------------------
Is your question: "How can one determine whether it was true without
a web site??"? I have news for you, Science was done LONG before
websites, and websites lend themselves to unwarranted use by liars,
who can never be questioned about their content, and websites can be
mass-manufacturered LIE-sites, meant to overwhelm singular logic and
reason-bearing sites with their seemingly higher numbers of sites
featuring only a set of crank notions.
Steve